There Has Never Been A Partner For Peace

One comment says, "My god, it's perfect, brother." Thank you. You know, if I did it the whole episode, it would take too long and it would turn this whole live stream into a concentration camp to mow the lawn, you know. So, that's how Norman Finkelstein gardening. I have to mow the lawn. Okay. And I'm going to do it. He just seems like not fun at all. We need a rap battle between Jordan Peterson and Finkelstein. [laughter] I like that rap battle between Jordan Pet. It's like, "Hey, what's your problem, man? You're a Marxist postmodernist. You want to destroy the world." I don't. Well, I kind of do. And you should stop putting your hair into a nasty twirl. Wait, stop that. You're disgusting. Despicable. You love Hamas. I do. I really do. There's nothing I can say. I can't deny it. I love Hamas. Ah, yeah. Soap. Hey, Norman. What? You suck. Yes. [laughter] I can't do it on the spot. I wish I had the Harry Max skills, but it's hard. You know, it's hard. They're very close. It's Norman and Jordan, you know. You got to jump around in the vocal register from this and that to this and that, you know. Um, there you go. Thank you for the comment. That was fun. Uh, keep the comments coming. We'll go a few more minutes here before the episode wraps up. Boom. Thank you so much. Appreciate that. Uh, one more reminder, people. Head on over to the merch store. There it is right there. Get your merchandise at the koxtore.com. Head on over to the membership page on the Patreon Ammy Kak membership and become part of the family. Uh, you're good. Ammy Frani David, is that the Jewish name? I hate it. Uh, thank you for the comment. I appreciate that. Appreciate that. And more rap battles. I actually did a little Jordan Peterson rap on stage once. Uh, you know, I forgot how it went. It was like um uh how did it go in Ontario? I've gone insane. They want to something media refrain. You know, I saw this coming. C16 law start coming down, down. Here we go. Good for you, Mr. Trudeau. [snorts] I bet you're feeling pretty good about yourself right now that you got control. Well, if words are the problem, Canada's fallen. It's on a roll. And they could try to take my license while my colleagues sit in silence. But when it comes to problems, I choose speech. You choose violence. Boom. Drop the mic. Drop it. So, there you go. It just came back to me. I should do more of that for sure. [snorts] >> I bet you didn't know that I could do that. I bet you didn't know that Donald Trump could rap. Or better yet, a Terminator like Arnold Schwarzenegger trying to pull me out like as if my name was Sega. And I ain't going out like no punk Get used to that and I [clears throat] might say I came to get down. I came to get down. So get out your seat and jump around like these media outlets. They're coming and they're coming and they what? They said I banned them. They're not even here. They don't come. They don't come because they write nothing. No nothing nice. They're not so nice. They're not so nice. Maybe we could do a little rap battle with Mandani. What do you think? He likes the Holy Land five nasty people, but he likes them. Hopefully, he does a good job, but I don't really mean that. I'm just being friendly. Okay. And let's take a few more comments before we wrap it up. Destiny and Norman Finkelestein debate. Well, yeah. Mr. Benell, don't be imbecilic. I'm sorry. This episode is dominated by Norman Finkelstein. Mr. Benell, Belli, Benelli. Well, I I'm not I'm not being in the Silicon. I just kind of I don't really I I haven't really dest done a Destiny, but he kind of has this sort of I just don't understand why, you know, it's sort of this kind of way of talking where it's like really really fast and really like I don't have it down, but his lips and jaws are always kind of moving a certain way, but like you know, you would call it you would call it a gent it's I know it's not perfect. It's not even a good impression. Stick to me. Okay, I will. Uh let's take a few more comments before we wrap it up. Before we wrap it up. Oh, thank you so much for the contribution. Have you ever looked into the concept of ultimate attribution error? And do you think [snorts] it plays a role in perpetuating the conflict? Ultimate attribution error. Error. I think I can figure out what that is. I don't know if I've maybe I've heard the term before where that means that like one side thinks the other side is completely responsible and they take no accountability for themselves and therefore it perpetuates the conflict. Is that what you're saying, Jordan? You can respond in the comments. Ultimate attribution error. Um, if that's what that means, I don't agree with ult that that that's the reason the conflict is perpetuated. It's perpetuated because there's a refusal to accept Israel at all by the other side and they completely reject it on ideological, theological, religious grounds. And by Islamic doctrine, they will refuse any Jewish sovereignty on the land. And that's what animates Hamas. That's what animates, I think, the Palestinian Authority, too, even though they don't maybe say it as loudly and proudly, but no Yahood here. No Yehood, no Jews. That's not a starting point. I think the peace process is a total illusion. There's no partner for peace because the partner wants you completely gone and dead. And so, um, that's what I think perpetuates it. as soon as they wanted a state many many times over in 48 67s [sighs] 80s 90s 2000s could have had one they say they wanted free Palestine they could have had a free Palestine instead they rather an unfree Israel stop wanted to kill the Jews you would have had a far better uh far better uh projection into the future of a of a of a statehood far better uh you'd be in a far better lot in life if you stopped wanted to kill the Jews more than you wanted to build your own They say it proudly. So I don't know what else to say about that until you know where do you see that? You see all these debates in Israeli society from the left, the right, the center about statehood and two states and peace process. Where do you see that on the Palestinian side? You don't see it. Doesn't exist. Not even a conversation. They're just laughing at us. Um while the the Jewish side, so to speak, and the liberal Zionists and the right-wing Zionists argue over politics and policy and all these things, it's nonsense. And even settlement policy. Is that is there a deliberation happening on the other side? But what to do? I I I just don't hear it. I really don't hear it. I'm open to hearing people uh call for two states side by side peace with Israel. You're hearing it a little bit in the Sunni G and the Gulf States and the Emirates and the states that are joining the Abraham Accords. Um great, but few and far between. Not enough certainly within the actual Palestinian society itself. I don't see it. You see widespread support for Hamas. You find copies of Minecom in the West Bank. So you can delude yourself into thinking there's a peace process with two partners that seek equal prosperity and peace and security, but it just doesn't exist. That's just wishful thinking. Um, and I I think it's wishful thinking. [sighs] Is the Arab peace initiative a fair start point? I don't know. Oh, I think it has to it has to also reflect in actions, not even just statements. I have to see that more and look more into that. I've seen those statements. I've seen that argument that they put forth this plan. No, I think there's a rejectionism built into Palestinianism built into it that rejects the idea, the concept of a Jewish state. Copies of mine conf. Okay, Amy. What? You don't believe me? Speak to Israeli soldiers that have been there going house to house. You don't know. I do. So, you can tell yourself whatever reality you want. It's not the one that's real. Have you seen pictures on people's phones of houses in the West Bank? Have you seen houses in Gaza? Have you spoken to Israeli soldiers who've been there? No, you haven't. You just want a reality that you want to manif manufacture for yourself so you can have righteous indignation condemning a a state you know nothing about in a region you know nothing about. So, what does that mean? I don't believe them. All right. You don't have to believe them. That's your choice, but it's based on nothing. I don't know what you're what what are you basing it on? Who have [snorts] you spoken to? H I think you're uh deliluding yourself. You just you refuse to believe that because it would cause a cognitive dissonance in your own mind. I'm not radical. Uh, the Palestinian side is radical. That's the issue. Um, I know nothing about you, but you've got an entire narrative. All right, prove me wrong. Tell me about yourself if we're here in the live going back and forth, Vin. I don't I don't know anything about you. Yeah, I guess I'm being presumptuous because you claim to deny what I'm saying with some confidence and authority, but yeah, I'm making a guess. I'm taking a guess. Um, and uh, you know, I'm making a presumption. That's true. If I'm wrong, show me how. [sighs and gasps] You're getting radicalized, dude. You're not the same guy from last year. I think I am. I don't think I've changed my positions at all. I'm open to conversations with people who I think might be misinformed. I'm still open. I'm open to conversations. just telling you where things stand and if I'm wrong, show me. Um, open to I would love nothing more than to be kind of wrong about uh my read of the situation, but the facts present themselves. [snorts] Okay, let's see. Let's see what else. Any other questions, comments? Yeah, let's see. I don't really see a change in his position. Am I missing something? You're not missing anything. Yeah. Uh, you're saying compare your rhetoric from last year to now. I don't know. Maybe I'm just being more realistic with the messaging. Um, but nothing has particularly changed. Maybe because you're watching me on a live stream speaking directly to camera, so it feels more intense. But, uh, I don't think I'm saying anything untrue. It's not radical. I think people who want to kill the Yahood, the person who killed somebody uh uh just before Yam Kipper the other day going to a spring with their uh child with their kid, shot him dead intentionally because he was Jewish. I think that's pretty radical. Anyway, um I'm always happy to chat, especially happy to chat with people who disagree with me or whatever, assuming they're well-intentioned, and even some who aren't well-intentioned and maybe can do a lot, but um but but I'm open to it. I think that is the way to do it is to converse and chat. I'm pretty engaging, but uh not even trying to be defensive here. Let's see. It's not more intense. It's less it's it's less nuanced and more totalizing. All right. Well, you'd have to be specific. I'm not sure what you're referring to. I mean, I guess in tone sometimes that could be a little harsh, but yeah, that's what happens when uh uh that's what happens when I don't know, you watch and watch for decades and decades and realize that the problem has always been that we in the West and even in Israel like a lot oftenimes delude themselves that there's a partner for peace. I just haven't seen it. Sorry. There's a denialism within Palestinianism. I'm coming out and saying it. Maybe sometimes you become more secure in your positions and you [snorts] know maybe I am but um so maybe uh things have become more refined with time and uh uh I'm a little more precise more precise in my messaging. That could be I can feel the intensity in the way I'm speaking but it's just as truthful just because the messaging is a little more refined and precise. Don't confuse that with a shift. Um, yeah. And again, I'll talk to most people who I think might be misinformed. I do not jump to conclusions on where people end up given the environment we're in and all the false information that's out there, all the distortions, all the lies and all of that. Um, you know, but I judge people by their behavior and their actions, too. And so sometimes being harsh and critical is what's needed rather than uh kid gloves softballing and attempts to understand when I think I fully understand at a certain point certain things when you watch the patterns and repeated failures and whatnot. [music]