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Friend of mine, friend of the show, as
Tim Dillon would say, FRIEND OF THE
SHOW, friend of the show, Khabib Retegui
made
made an appearance on The Breakfast
Club.
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>> And uh
there, you know, people had a lot of
responses. It sort of, you know, threw a
If you're in a specific algorithm, it uh
went through your feed, and I watched
the entire thing. I didn't just watch
clips. I watched the entire thing. I
have some thoughts about it.
Um
and
let's just get one thing straight, okay?
Because
in our community, on the Jewish side, on
the pro-Israel side, there's there's
there's there's sometimes tends to be a
little bit of a reactionary piling on of
things, and everyone likes to kvetch.
Everyone's got opinions, you know, one
Jew with a million opinions.
Uh let's just acknowledge for a second
the
positive step in the right direction
that something like this is, where you
have someone who
is given an opportunity, and they gave
him the floor. If you watch the whole
episode, thought they were The guys at
The Breakfast Club, Charlamagne,
everybody, did they push back? Did they
have questions? Did they sort of give
sometimes to the generic, typical sort
of warped, distorted understandings of
the Middle East and push back with
certain things? Sure, but overall, man,
did they give him the floor
to give a perspective, a point of view?
And you and I might not agree on every
characterization or conclusion that
Khabib might have or
uh um
uh on his positions politically
uh or his analysis. Even though we can
acknowledge that he's certainly got the
authority and has been an incredible
force for good on this topic. Just the
fact that it jumped out of a specific
algorithm and universe onto a mainstream
one is an incredibly positive
development. You have to acknowledge
that. And before you judge anybody,
you know, I've been in the hot seat
before.
You think it's easy to sit in that
position?
You know, if you think too much and try
to be too calculated over every answer
and response that you give on
everything,
you know, the internet and the people
around you that out in 2 seconds. The
best thing anyone can do is be as honest
and authentic as they possibly can, and
I think he did that first and foremost.
Whether you agree or not with certain
conclusions or
uh answers he gave or said you know, the
easiest thing to do is wag your finger
and say, "You should have done my
bidding and said the thing I wanted you
to say."
So, stop.
Relax. Being in the hot seat's not easy,
and give credit where it's due.
You know, they let Khabib be Khabib on a
mainstream platform. Love Dan Senor.
Love the world we're in. Love the
federations and panels and discussions
where we all internally discuss these
issues and how to combat this, but
you got to jump out of that world
sometimes.
More than sometimes, because that's
where the conversations and the
narratives are being shaped and shifted
and sometimes and often warped,
obviously. Everyone talks about
messaging and PR war and all these
things, but
having honest actors get out there
and give their honest takes and opinions
with an authentic, informed,
authoritative position is the antidote
to those without
authority,
uh information,
knowledge,
authenticity.
The way to combat the dishonest actors
is not to get together in a conference
and discuss what to do about them, but
to actually get out there on the same
platforms and give the counter arguments
and the counter perspective.
And he did it in a way that was
different and refreshing. And there were
certainly things that I would discuss
with him privately about and give, you
know, constructive criticism and
feedback, but not finger wagging and
shame. It's
you know, I to this day think that
that's happening. You know, you know,
from what I've heard that there was
there was there's a fair amount of that,
and everyone needs to take a step back
and realize
this opportunity to be on a mainstream
platform like that and to be given the
floor in a menschlich way, in a gracious
way,
to uh
to express a point of view and give a
perspective, a counter perspective, was
super important. I got to love Khabib.
The most relaxing voice on the internet,
I've always said.
And he
Somebody clipped up a clip which was
very funny, which was like uh
"I promise, I promise I'm done in 2
seconds. 2 seconds, I'll be done. One
more thing." 30 minutes later, "Two more
things, and then I promise you I'm done,
and I won't speak for the next 40 years.
I'll be quiet. I'll take a vow of
silence. Let me finish this one
sentence. I promise. 2 hours later, two
more words and then I promise I'm taking
a vow of silence and you will not hear
from me for the next 25 years.
Two more things. Last thing. One more
point. Final point. I promise you this
is it. If I say another word after this,
you should arrest me.
One more point.
One more thing. The last thing I'll say
and I promise you I promise you I swear
this is the last thing I'll ever say.
If not, if I say another word after
this,
you should whip me.
Love you, Khabib. But I hope to have him
back on the show. Friend of the show. I
hope to have him back on the show to
properly post game and recap both on his
experience in doing that
and what the reactions have been. If
there's mixed reactions, what what flak
he's getting, what praise he's getting.
He's getting a mix. I I seen a lot of
people praise, too.
Um
My overall assessment is just the fact
that he was able to be given the floor
and like really sort of humbled the room
in a in a in a nice way of just being
offering a certain historical
perspective. I felt like he was able to
you know,
offer sort of a new take on Jewish
suffering and trauma without making Jews
seem weak.
You know, he painted the vulnerability
of these are the last surviving Jews in
the in the hemisphere. The last
surviving Jews.
Just like they're the last surviving
Yazidis and Coptic Christians. You know,
like painting a distinction and and
between like the Israeli Jewish
experience and the American Jewish
experience and just the historical
context to give that in a way that
wasn't your typical
generic
viewpoint. I thought was really
important. And if you know, you want to
get into the details, we're not going to
react to detailed clips here.
But um
it's worth watching the entire thing.
There might be things you disagree with.
There might be things that upset you,
but overall
like giving his honest take is the best
thing he can do.
And I think he opened their, you know, a
perspective a little bit. Just to
understand the context a little more on
the state of the world
at the time when the and Israel was
created and the the decades that
preceded it.
Um and even the framing of
you know, the fact that he'd be open to
conversations with some of these bad
actors in the space. But being open to
it and I think you know, you've seen
whenever you find Hasan actually
across from actual intellectuals or
people who have knowledge and
information and and authority on the
subject, they're quickly exposed as
Barbie dolls, you know.
But listen, part of this is also
relationship building too and building
these relationships to people can't
accept your facts or your data. Like we
spend so much time
on the pro-Israel side, they spend so
much time on facts and accuracy, all
true. But they don't focus on empathy
and story at all.
And on the Palestinian side, it's all
the opposite, you know, empathy and
story whether or not things are true or
accurate. And you got to have a mix of
both. You do because people can't
receive your information if they can't
empathize with your story or your
perspective. Otherwise, you're just a
robot to them. And so
facts [snorts] don't care about your
feelings, it's true. But feelings
don't care about your facts. If people
feel a certain way about you or have
been tainted or warped, you need to
correct that perspective and you don't
just do that with data points and and
statistics. Not that that's not
important. It's necessary, but it's not
sufficient. So I know I'm being very
general here in my analysis so I want
you guys to all go watch the entire
thing and I'll save the the details of
getting into the weeds of it the next
time I have Khadim Elam which I hope he
comes back on the show soon and we can
discuss it. But kudos to him, it's not
easy to be in the hot seat in that
position. Um
but yeah, just for
you know, stepping up to the opportunity
and doing it. I got I got I give him
all the credit where it's due and hope
there's more counter
you know, in the in the place that we're
now where we've lost the PR war as
people say, you know.
Going to these very same spaces
where the war where the narrative was
tainted, whether it's Rogan or the
Breakfast Club or Flagrant or all these
pod podcasts, at least having them be
open to these
um points of view, alternative
perspectives on things, is the first
step. You got to get the door open.
And this was a step in doing that.
Um so we'll come we'll we'll we'll we'll
we'll get back to that uh the next time
Khabib is on the show. I look forward to
it.
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