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CONSCIOUSNESS, RABBIS DUNNER, GOLDBERG, GOLDSTEIN AND SCHACHTER, HOLY YID SQUARES, ISRAEL AND THE MEDIA
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welcome ladies and gentlemen to this
panel on consciousness
in support of amudim
we are really lucky tonight to have rav
dilbert pinson i've known her of dover
pinson for several years now
um i would say he's probably
he may be the most knowledgeable
uh person on jewish mysticism
uh at least people who speak english um
and we have mark gober uh a
consciousness author and podcast host
and we're really lucky to have them both
together
this should be interesting
um
i would like to start by asking mark
since i don't know you so well
um
where do you get your knowledge from
well my background is is in business
i worked in investment banking in new
york during the financial crisis spent
10 years at a silicon valley strategy
firm
worked my way up to partner there
but four years ago i was
listening to podcasts and learned about
some phenomena that i was not familiar
with previously which some would call
paranormal and that led me to start to
research science around the nature of
consciousness and whether consciousness
is in our brain or beyond the brain or
the fundamental basis of all reality and
things of that nature so my information
at least initially has come from looking
at science and interviewing many
scientists and practitioners but i'd say
more recently as this four year period
has evolved
through meditation and through my own
personal development i've had personal
experiences too
so as an analyst you'd call that a
bottom-up approach
sounds right to me okay rabbi pinson um
do you can you describe what you do a
little bit and um and where you're
getting your knowledge from
what i do is uh that's a very big
question levy
um
first of all i try to live i think
that's the first
that's that's a big thing to live fully
and to live deeply and to live
with a deep level of consciousness
um
there's two there's two sources two
streams of um
streams of wisdom or streams of
information one is the text
so basically we have a living embodiment
of spiritual teachers and masters
throughout the years great capitalist
rabbis
that spoke about their own personal
experiences which means that we believe
that when it says about mount sinai
about the torah that call golov that was
a great echo that did not
end
is that the sounds of sinai the
vibrations of sinai of the revelation is
continuous
and when a person
evolves their consciousness into a
higher level they can actually tap into
that sound of revelation
so it's not just information that's
written on a book that's given over
because one person figured this out
intellectually but it's actually
experiential that uh these are
experiences
that these great mystics and capitalists
and rabbis throughout the ages have
experienced in their own life and then
written them down
and that's one source of information i
think the second source of information
which is important for every person
is that a person has to really
evolve themselves in order to get this
type of information
that it's not just reading it from the
text
but it actually becomes a living
tradition that we have a real
relationship with
we call in hebrew we call it
a living god that our relationship with
hashem
is not a relationship with an idea not
in a relationship with a stale idea
certainly but a relationship with a god
as a living god that our presence of
living with the splash i'm living with
the presence of god
is something that should be a vibrant
experiential and intimate experience
that we experience momentum
so if i'm if i'm um
if i may interject the i would say the
the basis of your knowledge is from the
text
and um
um and then you've experienced things
from there because we've gone to some of
the same schools there are obviously a
lot more learned and knowledgeable than
me
um but
um you're taking a top-down approach and
it's actually very interesting and let's
see if we if the both of you come to the
same conclusion by the way i'm lady
nagle and i'm dialing in from los
angeles
um
i'd like to jump right into a subject
that
may be hard for some people that have
suffered traumatic experiences
or um
and and so much so that they're in a
state where they're trying to shut
things down and maybe even taking
substances to shut to shut out
um
to shut out things in life
um
this concept of whatever is happening to
you is not actually happening to you but
it's happening for you and we have
sources for this in the mission i guess
it says you should say that
the world was created for me
everything that's actually happening is
happening for your benefit
um
with rabbi pence would you like to
elaborate on that and how that how that
really works
um
the idea that everything is happening
for you for you
right
so there's
there's a way to come to life
let's just say like this there's a way
to come to life which is that you say
that
this is like a hebrew means that this is
something just happens
speaks about this laws of kindness he
says that if someone says
becoming alienated from life
that the real way to live and to live
deeply is to understand
that there is there's really there's
really only one now what i mean
is reflected into many
and it is it's reflected into the
duality and the multiplicity of creation
but it's a one in its essence on the
level the deepest level of soul
is actually connected to one so in the
i think you can experience
uh on a finite space level time space
consciousness level where we're all in
the effect of something so that's like
the world of nature
so in the world of nature we're all
interconnected and we notice that the
entire ecosystem is one system it's one
it's one dimension and there's multiple
aspects of this dimension but every part
of this
creation is interconnected and you do
one thing that affects the entire cosmos
but then there's another thing which is
when you actually become not just in the
effect of life
the cause of life
so
i'll give you another analogy
a place of the effect of life and living
in the effect of life means
you're just reacting to life
um something happens to you someone
insults you you get angry someone says
something nice to you you feel good
about yourself
basically
you know the weather is nice you feel
good whenever you're reacting to life
you're actually in the effect of life
so then you subscribe to the world of
nature you're also interdependent and
you're and your reaction will have an
effect but you're not causing anything
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creator aspect within you the the
possibility to become a mashiach to
become a giver
you actually become the the vessel the
conduit
through which the divine life force
that comes into this world is becoming
is the cause of the effect so not only
are you in the effect of creation but
now you're also in the the aspect you're
actually affecting creation
so so that's that's what i would say
that's like the two levels of the
interdependency of life so the first
recognition is that we're not
alive we're not a
that there's two foreign where one is
where you're just in the effect of
things and you're the fact that
everyone's bad mood
and every person is in a bad mood and
the person's thoughts affect what's
going on in the world
certainly a person's
through the entire creation
so we have a choice whether we're going
to be
on the level of effect
which is
just like
what would you say even with somebody
not making any conscious decisions
whatsoever
the
whatever is going around
around them
would you call that happening for their
benefit
and happening to them is happening for
their benefit and for them how would you
describe it
well my short answer to that i would say
is generally yes but i'll take a step
back by
explaining the world view that i now
have based on the science that i've
looked at which is now turning more into
lived experience but this will be the
basis for many of my answers basically
the way i look at the nature of reality
is um to use an analogy from a
philosopher named dr bernardo castro he
says it's like we are whirlpools within
an infinite stream
where this infinite stream is the
the consciousness that is the underlying
basis of all reality so this sense of
experiencing that we all have
that's innate in all of us that's
consciousness and this idea that i'm
describing here is that we are all part
of a unitary consciousness but we are
individuated whirlpools in a str in a
larger stream so we have this sense of
being an individual even though we're
interconnected to the broader stream
and to quote erwin schrodinger the nobel
prize winning quantum physicist because
a lot of quantum physics gets into these
similar ideas too he said in truth there
is only one mind
and so this is in many ways similar to
what rob vinson was saying that they're
we're interconnected it's almost like we
are uh dissociated
aspects of this unitary consciousness
and quickly the way i arrived at this
idea is through looking at phenomena
where our consciousness seems to exist
beyond the body one in the area of
psychic phenomena and this is drawing on
many
scientific peer-reviewed papers uh
research at princeton university
actually the us government ran a psychic
program so tons of evidence in that area
which is sort of like water from one
whirlpool
uh entering another whirlpool so part of
one person's consciousness uh getting
into another into another person's
consciousness or another part of the
stream this non-local consciousness
that's one
area of science the other is uh survival
of bodily death so things like a
near-death experience or children who
have a memory of a life that is not
their own and this is referring to
research done at the university of
virginia where children over 2 500 of
them describe
some life and their the researchers are
sometimes able to find
evidence that historical records medical
records that align with what the child
says so all of these
um
independent areas of scientific research
suggests that consciousness exists
beyond the body so it's sort of like
when a whirlpool in a stream stops being
a whirlpool the water flows back into
the broader stream it doesn't leave the
stream
so if we accept this one mind view of
reality this one stream of which we're
individuated pieces and if we accept
this idea of reincarnation which i
alluded to through the children with
past life memories idea and then also in
the near-death experience for example if
a person has cardiac arrest or some kind
of physiological trauma
upon being resuscitated they sometimes
describe this elaborate reality
sometimes it's multi-dimensional they
talk about unconditional love they
sometimes meet deceased relatives
sometimes they see things in the room
that are later verified as accurate
meaning we'll get into those subjects i
want to get into the subjects later
okay go ahead yeah really quickly but
there's a life review is something that
comes up where people relive their life
in a flash and they see how they
interacted towards other people and the
reason i want to point to that is when
they come back into their body they say
wait what's what matters in this life is
how we interact with people and
sometimes the little things are actually
the big things and life seems to be
about
testing ourselves in a sense how can we
act in a in a caring compassionate way
and life seems to bring people these
circumstances so that they can uh test
themselves and see how well they do and
perhaps the reincarnation cycle allows
people to learn different lessons
through different vessels
so okay so so on that note
let's use an extreme example and let's
say there was a child
that was abused as a child did nothing
wrong and was abused was that for their
goods
how would you see that
i think it's a it's a complex question i
do think there is an element of
karma to the extent that the human mind
can understand it where something from a
past life may be impacting what's
happening in this life
but and and
in connection with that there is a
potential learning from something that
might seem dark from a limited
perspective if we zoom out and take a
helicopter's perspective and look down
we might see there are some broader
benefits that we couldn't understand
from the smaller view
ref pinson do you have anything you want
to add there
um
yeah i mean this is obviously a very
complicated question and it's a very so
the answer of course is yes of course
the answer is that there's some learning
thing but but
the answer is also no
and and there's both simultaneously true
and i'll give you a little analogy of a
story
which is the story of the balshampton
that the balchemt of once
after los angeles passed away there was
a terrible decree there's something very
terrible that was going to happen and
the student the maggie of mesrich
was upset at his teacher that passed
away at his rebel and he's and and in
his mind he said you know when the rebel
was alive and while shannon was alive we
get together we'd say you know till him
different rituals and we were able to
mitigate this decree and now that was
sort of passed away and doesn't really
care anymore
so the shampoo appears to him in a dream
and he tells him i hear that you have
issues with what's
what's going on he says yeah i'm very
upset that you you you see this terrible
decree that's about to happen and you
don't really care anymore you left this
world and you don't care so well says
yes from my world view which we call
like the helicopter view but a bigger
world view when i can see the whole
story i actually see it as a positive
thing
so the market says what should i do
should i stop praying he said no you
have to continue praying because from
your perspective it's still negative
so the moment we
choose to justify abuse
in any shape or form because we say oh
it's you know it's it's karma and the
child has to learn something and a
person that's the moment we we
allow that to happen in this world so
therefore we have to fight any type of
negativity certainly that's that's
perpetuated against young people that
don't have really choice we have to
fight with all our possibility with any
type of means that we have to ensure
that this never happens to any child in
the world we have to make we have in our
understanding have to say this is the
worst possible thing that should happen
and therefore we have to make sure that
never happens
once it's past tense
which is already it did already happen
god forbid if things happen then we can
talk to the child at some point in this
person's life without justifying and
saying what was the light what was the
what was the perspective that you
learned from this experience that
allowed you to grow to be that person
but never to justify it while it's
happening because then we give we give
credence and we we allow evil to survive
there are times and again the reasoning
behind that we don't necessarily
understand in this lifetime as both of
you are saying um
but there are times that something
terrible happens and then a person hits
rock bottom and that opens a new door
into being able to go to a new demand it
more a higher level of consciousness
that um they weren't seeking before or
they never would have gotten to
otherwise um and again whether it's good
or bad we don't judge other people we
assume everything is good
right lady you can only say that to
yourself right the person's only allowed
to say that to himself a person can say
i'm hitting rock bottom what am i
learning from the experience when it's
another person
you're never supposed to say that
that's the other person's trust thank
you so mark i want to delve into another
subject on within consciousness
as different levels of consciousness i
want to hear um how you see things
um i've had some experiences myself
let's say being hypnotized to be able to
see past lives um and what the way i
understood it was my conscious mind was
being shut down which allowed me to tap
into my subconscious um which was able
which wasn't limited by time and space
but my understanding is and again i
don't fully comprehend this and this is
part of why i'm asking
we have different
levels of consciousness within us and i
would like to hear mark how you see it
and also even like where they're
physically located within the body so we
have the conscious mind maybe the
subconscious mind
we have what we call in and maybe rabbi
rabbi pins and we'll elaborate on this
we have um the spark of god within us
we have um
we have a soul and there are supposedly
different
different aspects
um and some are located in the brain
some are located in the heart some are
located in the lifeblood
mark do you have anything you can share
with us as to any of those um
any different levels and then how to tap
into the different into these different
levels of consciousness
sure so as i said i view the body as as
the
the vessel the vehicle for this broader
consciousness and in that capacity it
acts it actually acts as a limiting uh
factor it's a filter of consciousness
rather than the producer of
consciousness so the brain contrary to a
lot of popular scientific thinking is
limiting a much broader reality so we
only see a sliver of it
and so the body in
and maybe it's not just the brain maybe
it's other aspects of the body that
allow us to tap into different parts of
the stream so to speak these different
dimensions of the broader stream of
consciousness
and how we we can do that um there are
kind of a number of areas i've seen
scientifically where this occurs i
mentioned a near-death experience that's
an extreme case where the person's brain
is completely knocked out and yet they
have a
hyperlucid consciousness
people also talk about psychedelics in
which the brain functioning is actually
reduced during the time of the
psychedelic trip but people talk about
other dimensions of consciousness
and the area where i've maybe
experienced this most to a small degree
is in meditation which is a way of
quieting the brain and maybe opening up
the filter a little bit and i've had
varying degrees of experiences through
that
ruff kinsen um do you mind elaborating
about on the
the different levels within within the
body i guess today
um at least in jewish texts and what you
actually know
um
in terms of the soul and
where that is in terms of the spark of
god or what that's considered is that is
that the soul how would you describe it
okay so first of all i would just say
to get back a little to what mark was
saying is that
that there is a level where the brain
is actually a jamming system where we're
really our consciousness is much larger
than the brain
and that's why people that actually do
go through near-death experiences
which lately you should know because you
sponsored this book
just about people about the near-death
experience in the afterlife which is
this idea that when people go through
these near-death experiences as the
brain is shutting down something really
phenomenal is happening you would think
that people lose memory
what actually actually happens is
actually the reverse is people start
gaining new memory that they never knew
they knew
because the brain is sort of like the
filter that that holds onto the ego and
says okay this is my narrative this is
my story this is what this is this is
the information that i need to have
that's something that was created so
most times by youth or sometimes by
education and a certain type of story
that we assume i'm this person and that
person therefore this is information
that i need and this is subliminal lead
that we don't do this you know
consciously that this is information i
need this information i don't need the
information that only are completely
blocked out
um
and when a person is is
is that the brain it's that's it's
mostly part we'll call it like the left
part of the brain the very analytical
part of the brain the brain that's
trying to make sense out of things and
trying to logically define things called
the habina when that's slowly quieted
quieted down then higher levels of our
of our consciousness which is
which is the the potential of the right
part of the brain which is connected to
higher hamas the higher parts of the
brain higher parts of consciousness
become start becoming revealed
so there there are there are different
you know when we talk about
consciousness or soul or or
you know the energy of course there are
many different levels and we have
different words to this like nephesh we
have different words for these things uh
when we talk about the physical energy
of the body that the body itself has
like a
a certain energy that's that's animated
that you know the difference between a
live body and an unlived body is that
there's a certain animation to the body
even if the body is is quiet it's
pulsating with life so that's like call
like the nephesh that's like the lowest
level of energy we'll call it
like a very low level of nephesh which
exists within the body
and and
as
you know let's say looks like a little
bit differently like
if the body is the is the definition of
the body is connected to time and space
and time the space is very absolute in
the world of body
the and which means that everything has
a very specific time in a very specific
space
the level of nephesh which is like the
soul and animation of the body the more
soul the less time and space
so when you say that a person has like
you know
uh you know the power to move to walk
you know the fact the fact that
something can walk or let's say for
example difference between a stone or a
plant that even though they both have a
live a liveliness to them and you know a
stone is all animated and it's and it's
full of life you take if you really look
deeply with the microscope on the stone
you'll see that it's it's teeming with
life but on an observable level it seems
like it's a dynamic it seems like it's
inanimate but then you see a vegetation
which is that it's moving so it's it's
moving out of its space so that's the
definition of something like
that
which means that it's already a more
expansion and then you have like an
animal or something that's more alive
and more sentient being that's actually
moving about not only in its same
locations expanding so we'll say that as
a higher level of nephesh so in the same
thing also within the body there's a
part of the body that just allows the
body to expand so that's one level of
nephesh where the body is just expanding
there's a part of the body which allows
us to move there's a part of the body
that allows us to dialogue which means
to enter into your space so in hebrew
this is called like the nephesh will be
connected the one level the rock would
be connected to another level and sean
will be connected to speech which is the
more i'm actually
exiting
my very defined space
and i'm expanding my vessel to receive
and i'm expanding myself that i'm going
beyond the time and space that's the
more consciousness the more level of
soul we have so the the deeper
experiences that we have
when we have these deeper experiences we
feel less
time and space
so for example even a very simple
example let's say you're sitting and
speaking to someone and you're really
enjoying the person's company
so five minutes or five hours could feel
like five minutes but if you're sitting
sitting with a little nick or someone
that's really bothering you
and you're sitting for five minutes five
minutes could feel like five hours
because time expands and contracts
according to the level of connection
that you're having and the same thing
also with space like with like literally
with weight if you're holding your child
that weighs 20 pounds versus you're
holding a bundle of rocks that weighs 20
pounds it's going to feel different the
20 pounds of rocks is going to feel like
50 pounds your child's going to feel
like 10 pounds because the more
connection you have which means the more
you're going out of your ego out of
yours out of yourself the more you
exit the world of time and space the
more you you enter into the into the the
infinite aspect of creation of the
underbelly of creation which is infinity
so these are all different levels of of
of consciousness that we're constantly
trying to evolve now usually we'll say
that you know the higher levels of of
experiencing that you know you talk
about meditation or you talk about
prayer or davening which is like a form
of meditation when you really get to the
point of the peak of pr
according to the great teachers what a
person is saying is now god you speak
through me because now i'm just
completely submerged in something that's
that's larger and that's that has to be
experienced not just spoken about so the
more we have these deeper experiences
like an exaggeration that is correct
like exaggeration state would be like a
near-death experience or like you said
also sometimes sometimes trauma
sometimes you're very stuck in your ego
and you get you have a very traumatic
experience and it breaks down the ego
and all of a sudden you open up and you
or or it could be something very joyful
that you know you're you're you're
you're feeling tremendous amount of joy
and you know there's a there's a hasidic
analogy that's brought down by their
child like you know if you're dancing at
your daughter's wedding and someone
steps on your foot you're not going to
feel that pain as much as you're sitting
on the train someone steps on your foot
because the more you're you're connected
the more yichur you have the more
connected activity you have to something
that's beyond you the less you feel time
and space so these are all different
levels you know there's many multiple
multiple levels we can talk about but
they're all just their oldest they're
different grades of consciousness
which
at the ultimate peak is the level of
um the highest level of soul
which is paradoxically
something that you would you would think
it's the it's the collapse of self in
something larger but the truth is that
it's actually
my uniqueness within the uniqueness of
the creator which is the idea is that
the the ultimate objective of life is
not the disappearance of self
the ultimate executive life is not is
not the disappearance of ego but it's
the transparency of ego the ultimate
objective is not to become nothing but
it's to become something and nothing
simultaneously to truly be my full self
as as as a complete expression of my
hoodius of my individuality with the
recognition that i am this individuality
is an expression of the ultimate
individuality the ultimate eye of the
creator expressed within every single
eye of creation
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a lot of children just do it the
original originally just to get a taste
like you smoke a cigarette behind your
father's back you smothered it
but this is stuff that doesn't let you
alone once you start with it it's the
boss
and basically
it's a problem
that is constantly a problem will be a
bigger problem but for that we need an
organization like this to take it head
on to be able to tell the people yes
we know that you failed you know this
that but there's no such thing as a
failure the only thing you have to do is
learn when you hit bottom learn how to
get back up on top that's that's what
this organization's about
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so mark as a spiritual junkie i'm going
to ask you
how would you get to that what would be
the easiest way to get to that
uh state
um without using external substances in
your opinion
well i'm trying it myself um and i i
left my firm about a year ago and didn't
have a plan for what i was going to do
next and i ended up going on two silent
meditation retreats earlier this year
right before the pandemic hit one was
six days one was five days and that
really kicked off a meditation spree
where i'm now meditating
five hours a day since it's been since
february i was up to ten hours at some
point and i'm i'm basically
doing what ralph pinson was saying
without saying the actual jewish prayers
but the intention of the meditation is
this desire to basically surrender to be
embodying the broader stream of
consciousness intelligence within the
vessel and to be this nothingness but
uniqueness at the same time
that's the best way i can describe it
with words because this is all happening
in the silence
um so for me it's taken just a lot of
practice because i'm a very mental
person and i wasn't like i wasn't
interested in any of this stuff before i
couldn't meditate for 15 minutes a year
ago
but i found through this process there
is a a
a palpable energy that comes into the
body which is now increasing and
entering different parts of the body
that have come about through this
process of silence and surrender so my
from my own personal experience i would
say that meditation and having this
general life intention whether it's in
meditation or otherwise along the lines
of what rob pinson said is a way to get
there
let me let me ask you this because i'm
not supposed to be one coming with
with the answers but um would you say
when you're using
external substances your first eye is
probably your highest high
and
um
within at least okay i found within
spirituality you can keep going it's
like unlimited um
the way you're describing is you're
trying to reach nothingness but
there's
there's an unlimited level of
of that um that you can keep going and
and every time you're getting to a
higher high would you would you see that
to be the case
well my sense is that it's it's the
process is infinite there is no final
end point but there is a constant
striving
to optimize our utility as a vessel
that's the way i put it for my own
experience that i want to be the best
vessel i can be
and then that
in turn leads to different experiences i
mean sometimes the experience is less
transparent and less obvious and other
times i i feel it more
but i
in the course of researching other
people that have been through this
journey i think there can be a tendency
to want to latch on to the experience
itself to say that i felt so much bliss
or whatever and now i've arrived and
then that can lead to an attachment to a
state which is almost counter to the
process itself
so really for me as i said before it's
about the intention of why you're doing
it
and then the states will be what they're
going to be because really the
individual is in is not in control of
the ultimate state or high that's
experienced
um i just want to go back a little bit
and i know this is a little technical
i was asked to be on this panel
yesterday um then they gave me your name
and i looked you up on youtube and i saw
you talking about something and you said
something very interesting
um to me at least it was
and i don't remember what you were
referring to but
you you spoke about the brain as being a
filter which i understand that to be the
case too that at least the conscious
brain that we're calling conscious brain
um and then when you shut that down or
whether it's through hallucigenics or
through meditation you're basically
you're you're slowing the
the um
the brain the brain function and then
you're able to see more things um or
experience more but you mentioned
something that is there is something
within the brain or within the head uh
what were you referring to something
spiritual or something um
did you call it the soul i don't know
what you called it but you said the
location was in the head
well some scientists speak about the
pineal gland known in some traditions as
the third eye and i know in the trade in
the jewish tradition there is um
the tefillin goes on that spot as well
so some people say that that is an area
that kind of connects
the body to the spirit and and some say
that the chemical dmt which can be taken
externally as well ingested but it's
also released naturally by the body
which connects to these other realms of
consciousness so i would say from my own
experience one of the first things i
felt at the first med silent meditation
retreat three days in i started to feel
pounding right here and i didn't make
anything of it at first other than why
am i feeling pounding in that spot
and we were at a it was kind of a
non-denominational buddhist retreat
center that we were at and there were
statues of of people with a dot there
and i said oh wow that's the third eye
pineal gland that everyone was talking
about
so i haven't been able to correlate that
with experiences yet you know other
dimensional experiences beyond the fact
that it starts pounding certain times
rav pinson i you see i was always left
to believe in the shama the soul is in
the heart but i think in the tanya it
says something about
the either the nasham or the
is in the brain um do you know what
yeah can you elaborate there
so basically the yeah the time here
basically because it's talking about the
difference between the animal soul and
the divine soul so once they give an
analogy of where where where is it
within the body is the part that's most
connected to the vitality of the body
which is like what the the heart
distributes the blood so that's like
very visceral very very mundane that's
like what you know like it's the life
force that's pumping through us so
that's that's connected to the
beneficial bahamas that will be
connected to like your animal soul again
that's not a negative thing it's just
it's the ego that's survival you know
it's healthy to survive
um and then there's the capacity of the
brain
where the the brain allows the
possibility on some level it's not the
highest level of soul the la the brain
is sort of the ultimate medium that we
have and experientially that allows us
to enter into another person's space we
can think how i can think how you're
feeling
i can think how you're thinking so that
idea of me entering into your space is
already a movement outside of myself
outside of my ego
so that that by definition reads already
an expansion i'm ready i'm moving to a
higher dimension where it's not just
about circulating my blood for my
survival but i'm able to identify with
your problem so if you're going through
a hard time i can think it through with
you
so that ability to enter into another
space is really just another way of
saying that there's a higher potential
within the person so so the altered
natanya is trying to explain that where
would that
be within the body where is that where
we fly within the body a capacity to be
outside the body
that's in the brain so which part of the
brain exactly you know again this the
pineal gland and dmt all this type of
information
so there were a lot of philosophers like
descartes and people that actually
believe this um
in in the hasidic text
there's definitely mention of different
parts of the brain
um and there there are different parts
of the brain and one is connected to the
right part of the brain left part of the
reaction correct the
the frontal lobe is connected to das
which is the connect and the
connectivity to part of it and then the
case like the crown of the head so
there's definitely um you know we don't
really know the brain
we have a very little
amount of knowledge of what actually the
capacity of the physical brain is that's
one of the untouched
places of research of research
it could be eventually we'll actually
find
that
and i do believe it's it's true that it
has to be some place within the body
where there's there's the
everything has we'll call like a
everything has like an in-between state
where it's not that it's not the other
but it connects things
so everything in life is like that so
there has to be a space within our
within the physical self that allows us
to have access to something that's
outside itself
so what part of the body would that be
that would probably be in the brain
that's what the altered was saying that
the part of the brain that becomes so
it's not just only a metaphor but it
could be that it's that that's the
interactive
the in between space that allows for
something higher to come through that
he's referring to
is in the brain is that what he said
yeah yeah there's no
but you know
i just want to say like this like you
know we talk about the shama it's like
it's a big word
um soul it's a it's a very big word and
there's many different levels of soul
and and
we mostly
identify um
when we talk about soul or like we talk
about experiences
we identify things with their
experiences or the or the feeling but
the truth is that the soul is really
is the backdrop it's the experiencer
it's the feeler it's not the feeling and
it's not the experience
but our minds cannot grasp the
experience itself because the mind is
the experience the brain is the
experiencer or the higher level of
consciously experience but it can grasp
itself because because then itself is an
experience so the only way we can
actually
like really
get in touch with our soul is actually
to to feel ourselves as watching ourself
so that's why in in in the czar it says
that
it says the word das which is like the
frontal part of the brain which is
connected probably with the pineal gland
or the third eye that das is actually
da is actually
in reverse is aid which is witness
so it's like the witness self the part
of self that observes self
and that's not that's the self that's
beyond the self
and so there's there's multiple layers
because as you're going deeper into
yourself you say okay that's the part
that's watching myself and then you have
another voice to say and that's the part
of me that's saying to myself that's
watching myself so there's kind of
there's layers and infinite layers of
that all that that consciousness right
there there are certainly multi layers
and that i know from first time
experience and again i'm i'm not
anywhere close to any of your levels um
but it is also it's very interesting
that
a lot of these things were taught to us
and they went right over my head like
for instance one of my favorite books is
the the power of now um if you have to
put it down into two lines it's probably
that uh he's worried about the the the
conscious brain becoming instead of
becoming a tool taking over and then
focusing instead of being present
worrying about the future or worrying
about the past and that's where all
anxiety comes from but we have a saying
from the ebenezer which was a thousand
years ago and it's made into a song
um so we have all these we have these
teachings in judaism um but what but
it's just we don't necessarily
experience it and then when people like
mark come along or um or or other new
age um teachers they they they
they they
i guess
they allow us to experience and
understand what it was that the the
great masters were teaching that you
know just went over my head maybe you
were able to pick it up over the years
through the text but most people most
people miss it within our community um
i think you know i mean i mean the lady
the very simple answer to the reason for
that is very simple because
because it's it's it's it's massively
it's it's it taught to the mass
so when you teach very deep spiritual
teachings to to to the mass you you you
put in the most you dumb it down to the
most simple form and you give people
just
the words
and then the people
you're supposed to ask the question like
what am i actually learning what does
that actually mean and and then you have
to like internalize that so okay so you
get the information and and school is is
and unfortunately all schools are like
this school is a very good place where
people learn information but they're not
teaching people how to live
and and what that's part of the maturity
when you take the information that you
learn we say okay so what did that
information mean
these are teachings that are actually
represent experiential experiences not
just information because information is
just
information who cares and then yes okay
so what is that what does that really
mean to me
so part of why i was bringing all this
up is because i i think it's important
for everybody to realize there's so much
more to tap into even in ourselves not
even in ourselves just in ourselves we
could spend a whole life lifetime
tapping in and you know and and it could
be so enjoyable
and we don't have to chase anything else
um the mark
where would you say the gut instinct
comes from
well to me everything is derived from
this unitary source the one mind the one
stream of consciousness
so all
all novelty all knowledge all creativity
intuition
it's seemingly coming from that one
place and we are the vessel and
receiving it in however manner we do
that whether it's through the brain
other parts of the body i don't think it
science understands properly how that
works
so creativity
gut instinct
and everything and everything else
you're saying we're just tapping into
this larger uh consciousness that's not
within ourselves necessarily we're just
a part of
right it's more like
memories knowledge those are things that
we tap into using different aspects of
our anatomy and likely the brain is very
involved in a lot of that but it's it's
not housed in the brain but rather the
brain and the body are mechanisms for
tapping into this stream of
consciousness
and if somebody wanted to tap into one
thing
versus another let's say to their gut
instinct or to creativity or to anything
else
do you have techniques that you would
recommend
yeah well there are lots of people have
many techniques for how to do things
like this there are some in the psychic
realm certain types of meditation to be
able to tap into different whirlpools in
the stream or you know things that are
far away in space and time i think
meditation generally is
is a way to do that but the type of
meditation might lead to different
aspects of it um i think there's also a
trial and error aspect where
something might seem like an intuition
and then you might act on it and realize
wait a second that was just my ego or
some some part of my overthinking that
actually clouded out the the real
insight so it's something that i still
work on where i feel like i have an
intuition towards something but maybe it
didn't turn out to be right but now that
i think about it the number one
um signal for me that i'm on the right
track at least in my own life is passion
when i feel like i need to go towards
anything and
and like there's no question about it
i've learned that that is me tapping in
somehow because usually when i'm
following that passion and not in an
unbridled manner and not hesitating it
works out well
i'll just say lady like this um first of
all i would say
what you said about the high so the
altera one said
that if the
sinners of the world will know what kind
of pleasure
they can experience when they have
dracus with hashem they have unity with
hashem they will leave all their uh
their passions for everything else yes
they become great sadiq because that's
that's the pleasure that's the physical
pleasure the person has a sensation of
pleasure throughout the body now
regarding the gut feelings and
creativity i think it's a it's a larger
conversation but i just want to say
very short that
not every gut feeling is correct i do
feel like creativity does come from a
very
it's it's quite a muscle there's a very
potential letter we can be creative it's
very distinct every person has a
creative ability we are part of the
creator that gives us the creativity
ability
but when it comes to like a voice that
tells us something do how do we know if
the voice is real or not
so first of all you have to really know
yourself and and that's that's like a
that's that's a process so like trial
and error really to understand who you
are
but there's also a very simple parameter
how to know when a voice is true so
there's a there's a famous story in the
talmud in gemara that talks about a
character called
he became a great sinner
and her mayor was a student says you
know
you should do chivas
he says
i heard from behind a curtain it was a
great mystic
he says that i heard sasha banana
i heard a voice that says
everybody can return
besides her
so i had i had a very deep intuition
deep gut feeling and i heard this voice
that came out this heavenly voice that
said that everyone could do better
everyone could return everyone could be
could could change their life besides me
so therefore there's no there's no use
so
he hears the bosco he hears a divine
voice it says this so the balshampton
says that this is a basketball of clipa
it's a it's a negative voice
because any voice that tells you you
can't
is negative
any voice that says you can
it will work out it's going to be good
is a positive voice any voice that says
it's not going to work out it's you know
doubts yourself and puts puts you know
uh it's impossible and says you're never
gonna you're never gonna amount to
anything you're always that you're never
gonna reach any level all those negative
voices that put you down
and doesn't allow you to grow and to be
something and to be your your maximum
most all those voices are negative so i
would say like how do you know if a good
voice is correct that a good gut voice
is correct have to see this voice
actually allow me to become more to be a
bit a better person the better to be
more connected with hashem is this voice
allow me to further things or is it
putting me down it's putting it out it's
the voice of clip but don't listen to it
shut it down and move on
so i'm on the um
on the subject of
reaching higher consciousness you have
people that are you know you'd call
asleep they're
just focused on the details in front of
them
um
and reacting to that
and then um there's sometimes something
happens in life and that opens your mind
to
um to that there is more out there and
then you become curious and you start
searching and start actually
experiencing and then you realize that
that is the greatest pleasure
mark would you say um
that you can one can wake somebody else
up or does that have to happen on their
own just the beginning of that journey
does that have to happen does something
ex something have to happen to that
person on their own or can another
person wake up uh somebody that's what
i'm calling to sleep yeah well i've
thought a lot about this question
because it's
informed in my own personal journey
roughly four years ago i didn't know
much about any of this became very
passionate and since then i've ended up
writing two books and doing a podcast
series and doing lots of talks on this
topic
so when i first
learned about this stuff it was just i
was curious to learn because my
worldview shifted i used to think
consciousness comes from the brain
that's how conventional science teaches
us there's no real meaning to life
um the universe is random when you die
it's over that's it
and then i learned maybe that's all
wrong mark that there's a lot more we're
interconnected that consciousness is
beyond the body and i wanted to tell as
many people as i could because this had
a major impact on my life and how i
prioritized things and the way i i just
looked at life
um
so for me it ended up the way out of
disseminating information is to write
books and give talks and do podcasts and
what i've learned is that
people have to be ready
on their own um
forcing people does not work very well
so what i've tried to do is make the
information accessible and provide
resources for people so that if they are
interested they can pursue it
and there's a fine line
between doing that and being pushy and
trying to force a belief system so i i
really try hard to
present the information for those
interested and usually when i have
one-on-one conversations or even in a
room i can tell who is receptive and who
is not and when there's a lack of
receptivity or a wall there it's usually
best to kind of back off but when people
are receptive at that point it can
one can i think initiate or potentially
expedite someone's awakening by
providing certain information like
certain things i'll notice a light bulb
goes off in a person's head and then
it's really their journey but it's like
we're all guiding each other towards
this evolution and we play different
roles
yeah i do think generally a person has
to be ready and it's it's just the
openness i don't even know if a person
needs to know what they have to be open
to
they just have to be open to the
possibility that there's something
different because when we're stuck in
our own narrative of what the world view
is and we're holding to on it very
dearly and we're protecting it no matter
what happens in the world nothing's
going to change
uh no matter you see you see kriya
you know you see the sea split there's a
there's a famous mattress that says
that uh that shift
that that even the maidservant of israel
saw more than the great prophet of
ezekiel by the splitting of the sea so
the obvious question is why call her a
maidservant she's the greatest prophet
she's greater than the husker the answer
is because she's still remembering the
main servant she actually she wasn't
affected she saw but she didn't even
know what she was seeing she wasn't open
to see it so if you prepare yourself and
you're open to the experience then you
you can become something and you can
actually experience something but if you
don't you know the word the second split
in front of you and you just don't
notice it
so i think yeah there's there's a need
to there's uh there has to be some type
of opening some type of you're gonna
small open even something even a desire
justice
of the possibility of something
so on that note um
you know the term mitzvah the the which
refers to the commandments the 613
commandments um
the kabbalah explains that mitzvah is
milasana
mitzvos in the root word of connection
and we're connecting to god and it does
explain that we're connecting to god in
a higher level than the way he permeates
in this world and therefore um we really
can't most people cannot feel it unless
they're really a righteous person that
have no blockage no sin blockage so to
speak um
so most most people doing the missiles
do not actually feel the connection my
question is who are you actually helping
by doing the mitzvot
you mean if you're doing without
intention that's what you're asking even
with intention it's it's more it's by
definition either forced or robotic
because if you're not feeling the
connection what are you actually
accomplishing by doing the mitzvah
so there's some there's some there's an
idea also
okay i'm not talking about the the you
know the halal parameters of you have to
do a mitzvah whether you know it's
unluckily required for me to do it and
we have to do it no matter what i'm just
talking about like you're asking about
the opening like a feeling of the
connection so this idea that
that
that sometimes actions that's actually a
path to openness
so sometimes a person is working from
from a top down idea so i'm going to
open up my consciousness and open up
myself and try to like you know dial
them correctly or pray whatever whatever
the practice is but it's like more an
internal practice so i'm going to be
open therefore i'm going to start
feeling it
that's one path but the other path
sometimes is let me just do these
actions
at least at least with the intention
that they should they should do
something and the actions themselves by
the recognition that is an action that's
that is connecting me to the divine the
hope that eventually opens up the heart
that that your consciousness opens
through the actions himself
by doing the actions so it follows
your mind follows your actions so
instead of the actions following your
mind your mind follows your actions so i
believe that that even if a person is
doing something by rut but they're doing
it over and over again with a serious
commitment to that to that
sort of that
creates the space for the opening to
occur
besides the fact of the logic
requirement that you have to dimitar
because you're commanding but that's
that's a separate issue but the idea of
the mitzvah as
they feel
that connection
you know a lot of times i would just say
in general like
just the fact of of doing things in an
absolute way
you're just doing it because you're
you're you have to do it
and even if you feel like you say that
you feel forced that in itself
already creates the possibility of
something higher than you that's
commanding
so when you live your life you say okay
i'm a very selfish person i like to do
things the way i want to do them i want
to do them always because this is the
way i feel i don't feel i'm feeling it
i'm not feeling it and then you say but
you know what for these 10 minutes a day
i'm going to do something despite the
fact how i feel or i don't feel that in
itself is saying that i recognize that
there's something more than my ego
there's a recognition that there's
something higher and the more i believe
in the absoluteness of that idea the
more i actually connect to that absolute
so sometimes the the kabbalah soil this
the rot just doing it by accepting it
that actually shows to me and allows me
to open myself up to something that is
actually larger than me
so it's it's specifically what i don't
understand in a way that actually really
opens me up
and i'm not stuck in my head we i see
that the hour is up as you say you know
when you're having fun and you don't
realize what time it is um
could either of you or both of you um
maybe to end this
do some give give us some technique but
actual to give us an actual experience
maybe even for somebody that's just
ready to open up
something
that you can share right now
that someone can do can do at home when
they're watching huh i love you how long
mark do that you let mark do that yeah
well for me it's it's
really began with curiosity
and asking questions and not assuming
that i know everything and rob pinson
was alluding to this this idea of
openness i think that that comes and
stems from
humility the understanding that in a
human body with a human brain there's
only so much that we can understand and
we can only understand things in a
certain way like you know the concept of
infinity we acknowledge that it exists
but our brain can't comprehend or grasp
what that is
so when we start to break down how much
we don't know in life
then we realize that what we think we
know might be
leading us astray so to have that
openness that mentality that doesn't
mean to believe everything we hear but
the the humility i think opens doors and
it opens doors spiritually but also in
every aspect of life
that's come on it's great
that's called old style cabal assault
that's what i say
just accept
do it just be open to more exactly
you don't have it all figured out yeah
that was great i think that's a great
note to end on
and thank you both very much thank you
i'm a demon thank you all for tuning in
have a great night
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half hours we will gather together and
we will ask you to really wrap this
thing up in as grand as
a fashion as possible uh devorah
pearlman is the cfo of amudin thanks for
joining us good to have you here and
miriam lankrie is the clinical director
from amudim thank you very much for
being here as well miriam we'll start
with you
you have seen it's now december you have
seen over the last 10 months i am sure a
big increase in your department what's
it been like trying to help everybody
clinically during all these months of
covet
good morning thanks for having us it's
so nice to be here
it's been
really overwhelming that's the truth
there's been a tremendous increase in
the amount of callers
i have to say that my my clinical staff
my clinical case managers rose to the
occasion incredibly
they everyone we all have to work from
home
sv glock has it set up that our phones
our computer systems everything is able
to be remote and that was
a blessing i think he took that on
several years ago he wanted to make sure
that if anything ever happened we would
be able to do this so
so we all were working from home the the
staff rose to the occasion we even had
to hire
three new people during this time period
to be able to
to be able to uh
service everyone during this time and
handle all the the calls that were
coming in we set up a hotline just for
covid that now fortunately we were able
to close so that people who
didn't need amudham services per se
would be able to
would be able to just get on the phone
and talk to somebody just i'm really
stressed out all the kids are home um
you know i haven't been able to go to
work i there's no just
a professional on the other end of the
line to speak to them and and help them
with their stress
assume that every
department that you lead every type of
situation that comes across you has
every one of them increased during
covert i guess some more than others but
did all of them increase in terms of the
number of people that you have to
service in each department yes
absolutely all the areas required more
schools were reaching out because
students teachers were more stressed out
about having to do zoom school the case
managers were getting much more calls
all the different areas of amudhim had a
big increase
in volume the situations
that arise from families being cooped up
and i'm sure people can you know think
on their own of some of those types of
situations those obviously became very
very filled with tension sure and uh
your phone kept ringing our phone kept
ringing and
you were there to help people out yeah
um so covet 19 has really increased the
caseload has increased the work and
obviously has increased the need for
people to support amudin and that's why
we're asking everybody to please be as
generous as possible today unite to
heal.com be as generous as possible by
clicking the donate button uh dvorah
perlman is here cfo of amudem well
that's a good segue i ask everybody to
give money i ask everybody to be
generous and you are the person who is
responsible to uh to deal with the
finances of amudhim as responsibly as
possible what has the last
10 months shown you in terms of the work
of a modem in the need for financial
assistance
well um you know as miriam mentioned our
case volume has increased so
tremendously
and um we really
um our case managers at this point are
so bombarded with work we really you
know even though we did hire three new
staff members we really are looking to
bring on even more help to help with
additional cases that have been coming
on
um
we also have a long waiting list of
clients that are waiting for
help with support for
therapy subsidies
and unfortunately we we haven't been
able to help them as much as we would
like to
and that's really one of the things that
we're really hoping to get from this
event today
is to help raise funds so that we could
help our clients get the help that they
need you know a lot of people might
think that
achieving the goal is going to make your
job easier the reality is that thank god
the more money comes in the more people
like yourselves are able to
service those in need in the community
and and you won't have to hopefully make
too many decisions about where the money
goes hopefully it'll be enough to fund
all the different departments uh that
you have with amudim so again everybody
unite to heal.com be as generous as
possible um so miriam is there one
department that you could explain to us
has been unfortunately exploding with
cases at this point is it in fact cases
of domestic abuse or things like that
that arise from very tense situations at
home over the last 10 months uh so it
isn't one it's an increase in all the
departments uh unfortunately uh
like you mentioned domestic violence uh
people who are cooped up at home or are
being told you can't leave the house
because it's dangerous you can't reach
out for help are a much higher risk
right now people who may have actually
achieved sobriety and
no longer suffer from addiction
the way that they used to without access
to meetings or with the increased stress
are struggling much more again
people being cooped up with
you know victims who've been cooped up
with perhaps with
uncomfortable situations at home have to
find
solutions creative solutions to get to
to feel safe has your staff had to deal
with situations they never had before
like are they are they being introduced
to uh scenarios that they really did not
see in the regular work of a mood them
in years past yes definitely there
we we came to situation you know
especially around this whole kind of
broke perm time and pesach people were
in situations where
they were stuck at home and most of the
time people
i've spoken to people directly who said
usually i can go out for a meal i can
leave i can find an escape room if the
tension in my home gets too high and now
i can't do that i can't go to people i'm
stuck at home with people who i'm not
comfortable with and it was quite
stressful we were able to
i'm not sure if i'm allowed to say this
but we were able to put certain people
in in safe environments
without giving too much detail for
people who really had no other choice
and that was something that really
helped
people who had no other option then on
top of that financial strain that
families went through even families who
thank god are peaceful families that can
get through a juntas together without
any issues in baruch hashem there are
many there are many yes but the
financial strain
that this past year has had on everybody
just increases all the different
problems that families can have yeah i
spoke to a relatively young man a father
of four
community asking involves with a hat
solo type organization volunteer
he called really at his wit's end saying
i'm i'm collapsing and this is somebody
who no one would ever imagine was
struggling and i i spoke to him for a
long time and helped him
you know get to therapy in his community
and after a few weeks he he let me know
that things things were better but the
stress the financial stress the the
pressures you know normal everyday
pressures being a hazel type member
seeing you know tremendous tragedy as
well the combination of everything was
overwhelming and he needed help and and
i was so glad i let him know that he was
strong for reaching out because when you
reach out for help that's that strength
you can do something about it suffering
and silence until you explode is not a
solution
devorah tsv and you have to make tough
decisions that people come to you with
cases that you know where someone would
be better off in a rehab center someone
would be better off being put in a safe
space as miriam described but all that
costs money all that you know requires
finances are you sometimes put in a
position of making tough decisions just
based on what the organization can
afford
unfortunately yes
unfortunately um you know the financial
situation has affected not only
individuals but our organization as well
um many of our supporters are not in the
position to support in the way that they
have in the past
and unfortunately we have many clients
who
um you know are not able to to afford
the help that they need and although we
would love to to help everybody
immediately
some of them are either not getting the
ideal help that they need or they're
unfortunately on a waiting list waiting
for this campaign to be able to help
them
uh mood is helping a lot of people every
single day and the point that devorah
just made is so vital and that is that
there are people who are in need of help
but sometimes the funds are not there on
top of that there are donors who've been
very very generous over the last many
years who are not able to be as generous
so those of you who are capable those of
you who've been able to hold on to your
jobs who've had very successful 2020s
and there are a lot of people watching
right now have had really successful
2020.
please go to the donate button on this
website unite to heal unitedheal.com be
as generous as you can and be one of
those people that really can make a
difference we love all the small
contributions they're wonderful and they
add up to a lot of money but those of
you who are capable of giving it a much
higher level believe you me that money
is going to be utilized very very well
uh devorah i'm sure you join me in
asking everybody to be as generous as
possible and when we say five million
dollars that's not even your annual
budget when we use the goal of five
million we're talking about a percentage
of what amuddim really needs to get
through an entire year yeah yeah our our
our budget is even larger than that
and um unfortunately or unfortunately
our our budget keeps growing every year
um
you know just like maria mentioned our
case our case volume
every single year since our existence
has just
grown tremendously and it's definitely a
challenge to keep the fun you know for
the funding to keep up with it
do you have a lot to do miriam with the
international aspect of this are you
sometimes advising people in other
countries that this is the type of
person or professional you need to go to
or the type of people you need to bring
in for a certain situation um i
technically i supervise the israel
branch
they call me they know of course the
people on the ground better but they
they reach out to me and i i supervise
them as well
i i've spoken to
people in mexico argentina
in chile i've i lived in chile for
several years so
the i and i learned spanish while i live
there so i get a lot of spanish colors
uh england and and europe in general as
as far as
china and australia people have reached
out to woodem between depending on the
time zone sometimes we'll send it to the
israel office to manage but as a general
uh
notion of what type of therapy people
should go to and what they should look
for
uh yeah yeah we're supervising all over
all over the globe right now so you're
one of the reasons that i moved them so
successful internationally
internationally yeah the language helps
the fact that you're in touch with every
country helps as well yeah uh i want to
thank devorah perlman cfo of amudham i
want to thank miriam lankrie clinical
director from from amudem and i know
that both of you join me in encouraging
everybody to be generous and help you
continue to do your amazing work thank
you so much a pleasure thank you very
much everybody out there
unitedheal.com you know what this is
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david solomon is with us he is the
amudim chair of the board of governors
and he also chairs the audit and finance
committee and could speak about the need
for a 5 million dollar successful
campaign over the next 36 hours david
solomon welcome good morning i'm
thrilled to be here especially having
grown up uh listening to you every
morning on jm in the am thank you shout
out to my folks in queens who we woke up
to you so good morning i appreciate it
very much and a shout out to them as
well um so david when did you first get
involved with amudin so it was probably
about
between three and five years ago
i sort of knew tsv and sv approached me
to get involved and
i think i was sort of skeptical i said
listen i i have lots of demands on my
time i don't really know much about
about amudim and if i get involved i'm
going to demand a very high standard of
corporate governance and transparency
those were two things that were very
very important to me um sv is super
persuasive as you know
and uh there's no saying noted sv he
worked on me and we had the i had the
dual punch of mendy klein all of
hashalam and the two of them finally uh
sort of cajoled me and and perhaps
forced me to get involved and uh i'm
really happy i've i i've it's been a
fantastic opportunity and i think we've
pivoted the organization in a fantastic
direction so from your perspective you
could tell those who are watching that i
moved in is what type of organization
financially
we are aiming for excellence constantly
and we are constantly pushing ourselves
to be the most transparent
organization from the fiscal perspective
uh the board in particular is an active
working board that cares very much about
the fiscal health of the organization
and viability
and we value uh these are hard-earned
dollars that folks are donating and we
take that responsibility very seriously
we also have
a fantastic finance team led by devorah
pearlman our cfo who you just met
and um both from a lay perspective and a
uh an internal team perspective uh
there's a really unique partnership we
spend a lot of time on it we sweat every
detail
and our donors know that they are that
they're funding very valuable work
and every penny is accounted for in a
very serious way and we take that
responsibility seriously there are
different organizations guidance
departments that monitor charities
are those the well-known ones aware of
just how fiscally responsible moodin is
yeah we um
we it's important to us to have a
fantastic five-star rating on each of
those groups like guard star
anything we qualify for we're at the top
of the of the rating system that's
something that we watch very carefully
our financials are online which is um
quite rare uh and we want people to have
full transparency and we're happy to
show donors the books at any time we
take that responsibility seriously
we want to be best in class from a
corporate governance and financial
perspective you know as a community
first of all as a community we could be
very proud that we have an organization
like that but but aside from that as a
community we always wonder about
organizations that do get government
assistance i have to assume that i moved
them as a beneficiary of the because of
their amazing work for the community
and we want the government and those who
look closely from albany and washington
to see a jewish group that is taking
fiscal responsibility very seriously it
does only good for our community in
general when that's their impression i
know that's important to you as well
yeah this is something core to what
we're doing and uh i can't tell you how
many jewish organizations have reached
out to us to emulate this model and i
listen to that we hope it spreads and um
we're proud to be a role model in this
respect in the jewish community not only
the care and devotion uh for our clients
but also uh how do we treat the donors
and how do we spend their hard-earned
money all right um with all the
assistance from different sources that
comes in
you david solomon can sit here today and
tell everybody watching that we still
need a successful 5 million dollar
campaign between now
and tomorrow night and that 5 million
dollars will go a long way to help a lot
of people absolutely we're counting on
your support
uh we need your support uh kovid uh you
know we needed your support before kovid
uh kovid double underscored and bold uh
bolded how much we need this support the
people have been cooped up for nine
months
um it exacerbates a lot of underlying
problems and uh the call volume as
miriam alluded to earlier is off the
charts uh we also need to be supportive
of our caseworkers
you know this is money this is not a
luxury this is necessary you're on the
board of governors you probably as
you're watching all this develop in
march april may you were probably saying
how much more can we do how much
how can we you know be tapped to the
point where
the finances are going to dry up the
finances won't be there to continue this
amazing work yeah we had we had a lot of
tense uh zoo meetings and calls the
board
our financial staff
we're thrilled that we made it through
but we're not there yet
and we take the viability organization
very carefully we're careful never to
borrow
that's something which is important and
we want to meet our commitments to the
community and we have and we hope to
continue to do it for a long time so
thank you to everyone in advance for
everything you've done uh heretofore we
look forward to your support going
forward and we hope to be here to serve
the community
covid non-kovid whatever whatever hashem
sends us it sounds like the board could
have thrown up their hands and given up
but it's not that type of board
no way even with covert it's not going
to scare you guys away we've got a bunch
of fighters both on both on the
professional team and also the and and
the board and we've had fantastic
support of people like uja federation
uh i think without them we may not have
made it through kovid
both from a tangible support and from a
professional and executive development
support there are so many things that
we've learned from them and others uh
other groups that will be highlighted
throughout this live stream
that really helped us so we have
fantastic community partners
amudim is community uh it's part of our
slogan
and it's not just the big donors and
it's not just the big federations or
foundations
every single donor counts yeah on that
topic and it's a great way to
segue into our next pitch i mean
you you i'm sure you have colleagues out
there and you know people who have been
very generous in the past and found this
year to be very challenging could you
just tell everybody out there why even
the smaller donations when someone's
giving 18 36 100 500 whatever it may be
and are not doing the 10 20 000 level
explain why that's so vital and it
really helps you increase the donor base
sve and our entire team look at every
donation
uh and you i just saw a bunch of smaller
donations scrolling across the stream
you can't imagine the
uh psychological support that it gives
to our board and to our professional
team to see all sorts of names coming
through and and to some degree our
community is one or two degrees of
separation you know you may know someone
who donated to amudem i bump into people
all the time who say hey david amudem
helped me with this i called sv about
that i spoke to miriam and her team
about x y and z um we're all connected
this is the community is super connected
and uh every donation is tracked our
statistics are fantastic we track every
just like we track every case in every
community and we know how much we're
spending in every community we track
donations seeing the support of the
broad jewish community and beyond is
very gratifying to the team and it is
the jet fuel that propels us phenomenal
uh and so he doesn't know how to say no
nor does the board not have to say no so
never so much and we can't say no to him
so whenever the board is approached or
his approach to help with any case
they jump into action uh david solomon i
thank you continued success with the
organization thank you very much i'm
gonna remind everybody that unite to
heal.com unitedheal.com it's an amazing
opportunity for everybody out there to
be a large donor a smaller donor to give
what you can and to continue enjoying
this live stream while being as generous
as possible please
please utilize these 36 hours and the 36
events
and the over 100 leaders and
entertainers that you're going to be
meeting in this unique format over the
next day and a half and be as generous
as possible we have incredible stuff
coming up i mean i'll go through it
before this hour ends some amazing
events and performers uh that'll be
coming up over the next 36 hours plus
the holy yed squares game that's going
to be happening tonight which i have the
honor of hosting but as all this is
going on and you're enjoying all the
panel discussions and all the wonderful
brand new content that's being offered
and unique content is being offered over
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as you can amudim is there for everybody
children adults and families in our
community worldwide every day of the
year unitedheal.com
hit the donate button we have three
guests who are going to be joining us
here in our studio is miriam ryan it's
cops
welcome and thank you for being here and
i'm told that we're going to be joined
by both uh there they are uh rifki
milgram rifky hello to you
hi hello thank you for being with us and
gita reinette's batsman is with us as
well gita
hello and welcome to the show
thank you miriam i'll start with you
this is you know it's funny sv
introduced this whole area
of uh amudim during covid to us a
situation like yours just a few weeks
ago i didn't even realize that i moved
them had jumped in to help people in
this type of situation miriam describe
what your family recently went through
and what mood them did to help i would
say it's a little bit of a lighter story
and
my little sister gita uh she's up on the
screen over there
was going to be getting married in
september in israel and um
my sister rifky and i were trying to get
there so uh it was a little bit
complicated at the time we weren't
really able to get into israel so easily
because of covet and there were so many
requirements and
rifki and i kind of turned to each other
and said we're going to do whatever it
takes to get into israel so let's start
buying
covet insurance and getting all of our
documents together and you contact the
consulate and you give them this entire
document just under a certain level of
megabytes and you send it in for them to
come back and say sorry
um so they don't want you to apply right
until two weeks before your travel
so
they'll reject it right off the bat if
it's not within two weeks of travel so
um it's a funny little game where you
have to get it just in the right window
and we really wanted to be there for her
um i guess you know what makes our
situation a little bit um
you know that brought it to the tension
of david kushner out of
philadelphia is that we don't have
parents gita
we lost our mom when gita was only
three and then our dad when gita was 13.
so
she started a life for herself in israel
she she made aliyah and she built
something for herself over there and
we're so proud of her and we wanted to
be there to see her get married to this
incredible guy leor
and david sympathized with that we
didn't think that it was a sympathetic
story but one of the incredible things
about david and i'm with him is that
they look at you and say this is what
you need don't like don't you and i'm so
happy that he did because
what he did for us was he got in direct
contact with the consulate and made sure
that we were able to get in we just kept
getting rejected again and again and he
saw a story and he communicated it to
them and i just remember on a saturday
night i was missing a document which is
my birth certificate and i had no way of
proving that i was gita's sister and i'm
just why else would i want to get on a
plane
during comey there ain't go ahead and
also don't isn't it israel don't you
guys see that like aren't you your your
intelligence is so much far superior
than anything i you know are sisters
more than i do but um i sent my husband
back to the apartment to look for my we
found my father's death certificate at
my grandfather's destination we were
able to just piece things together and
david called me and he said the lady at
the consulate says what's this girl
doing bothering me tell her she's fine
she's gonna go to israel so rifky and i
uh packed our stuff up and went thank
god we got to see gita down the aisle it
was really beautiful really emotional
and we thank david so much for
seeing what we needed more than we did
so i moved him as relentless sometimes
in a really really good way i just love
that they use their resources
and it didn't necessarily cost anything
and they don't give up yeah oh gosh
david is relentless he yeah let's turn
to rifki for a moment before we get to
the kala uh rifki what are your
impressions and what do you remember
about this whole episode
i just remember telling my sister miriam
like this isn't ball we're never gonna
be able to get to this wedding like just
give up this is not happening
and thank god my sister miriam also
she's relentless and she never gives up
and i i was so thankful to be able to be
at my little sister's wedding it was so
special it was so meaningful and um
and i just i'm very grateful that uh
amudin was able to to help us out with
this and that my sister miriam also
didn't give up and um
i'm just very grateful to them sounds
like you guys went to the right address
because i moved and won't give up and
they'll make sure to always do what is
necessary to help people out and this is
a perfect example as you said a lighter
story or a simcha story as opposed to
the majority of the amudim cases and now
to the kala gita in israel i assume
welcome to the show
hi thank you so much for having me so
what was it like when you were sort of
not sure if your closest relatives and
those you care about most would not not
would possibly not be at the wedding
so for me is actually a lot more
complicated uh than it was
we got engaged back in march with a
six-month loop time
and we said covet's going to be over by
then and then three months and then two
months
a lot of people here are changing their
wedding dates cancel their weddings
um and i said we have to keep the date
we have to keep the date no matter what
and then a few weeks before the wedding
when i saw that it really looked like
none of my siblings would be here
i i had nightmares i kept envisioning
myself under the football without a
single family member
and like miriam said after all the work
i did to build myself up to build a
career to be independent i felt
like an orphan like i felt the same way
like when i was 13 and i was just
orphaned and i said
if i don't have one family member under
the hoop
we should push off this wedding like
that's to me it was really that
important it felt horrific i was like
it's like cinderella but in a bad way
um so it didn't matter at that point it
didn't matter at that point how many
people were at the wedding because if
you remember august and september that
was a big issue in israel right how many
people could be at a wedding the most
important thing is who was at the
wedding and thank god because of amudin
you had the people there to do wanted
they showed up on like thursday
afternoon we posted like the shabbat
before the wedding imagine hosting like
come we got your favorite foods i was so
excited to have them exactly like you
said i said let us have five people on
the beach as long as you know it's
someone who watched me grow up and can
transition me from one stage to the next
it doesn't matter if it's 500 people but
nobody from
my family and and you gave us the
biggest gift that i could ever ever ask
for
when uh rifky and miriam got back on the
plane to leave israel were you sort of
like i cannot believe this actually
happened
i think we're still we're still kind of
in shock and
to be honest we hadn't really even heard
of a museum before but learning more
about what they do and how it's all a
heart when i see the dollars coming up
on the screen it's just like you're
basically funding incredible people
helping as many people as they possibly
can david just he wants to help my other
sister in london unfortunately she
couldn't uh it was a little bit more
political there but um he just wanted to
help and i can only imagine the other
staff members of amudim if they have
that same heart and soul
all it is about touching as many people
as possible and making life better for
jews around the world and i don't know
you know what's more important well you
said it best uh early on in this
conversation when you said whatever
people need they want to help you know
get it done for everybody uh rifki um
how do you look back once this whole
episode ended
i i still think about that wedding and
how how incredible it was and how
amazing it was that uh i was able to be
there and um
i i'll never forget that you know for
the rest of my life i'll always think
back to that unbelievable day and story
and uh it was just really incredible
really really incredible gita does leora
know that amudim was instrumental in
making the wedding even better
oh he knows all about it yeah
why is that
we discussed it from our new joint and
we can count how much we're giving him
and i don't know i don't know who is
happier you know near him like he just
lit up at the chance to spend some time
with my sisters and the chance to really
combine his family
um and he was just in his schoolwork
yeah well gita mazeltov to you and
continued success
and uh to uh miriam and rifki we'll wish
you mazel tov as well because
helped make it a really sympathetic
simcha for uh for the kala for everybody
at the wedding and especially for the
sisters thank you so much thanks so much
for joining us
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like how miriam put it it's a light
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move
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for you
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our
again
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for you
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all we
need all we need is hope
and for that we have each other
oh
we
will rise
we
rise
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hello and welcome my name is rabbi from
goldberg and i have a true privilege and
an honor to share this conversation with
moyu varabe haravshakterita
truly an enormous privilege and an
opportunity for all of us to learn i'm
so excited to be able to do this
conversation on behalf of an
extraordinary organization amudim
amudim and sriglock and the entire staff
administration and all the volunteers
are performing the greatest quest that
there is people in their most vulnerable
moments individuals who are in crisis to
show up to intervene to be able to hold
up and to be able to place people in the
environment with the support that they
need is literally saving lives we've
benefited here in south florida from
sv's vision and leadership from amudim's
hard work and so have countless others
not only where emudim is headquartered
but really around the world and so as we
begin i want to encourage everyone to
continue to support this extraordinary
organization go to amudim.org and do
what you can to enable it to continue to
do the wonderful work it does in
literally keeping people alive as i
mentioned for me it's truly an honor and
a privilege i'm humbled at the
opportunity
to be able to have this conversation
with mori vareby the gemara tells us in
sukkah in the name of rav
how do we know that even the informal
conversation of tamiya
requires lean but it's worth studying
it's worth capturing it's worth
listening to
low ebol for all of us who know mori
varabhi for all of us who know
we know what an extraordinary talmud is
we know his encyclopedic knowledge of
torah we know the enormous shoulders he
has in issuing
on issues
the most significant issues of our day
and any day particularly in this period
we still find ourselves in this pandemic
how many of us have relied on rebbi on
the sack on the guidance on the
leadership on the direction in moments
of of terrible crisis halachically and
otherwise to know how to navigate these
dark times
many of us most of us know that side of
shechter and as someone who sat in sheer
i can tell you the goosebumps i got each
day in the two hours from drawing from
the width and breath of torah all over
but our time today is not about the
formal torah per se it's not tapping
into this outstanding talent
knowledge of torah but rather it's a
sichas khulin to be able to learn
informally from the conversations from
the life from the relationships of this
goddam with other godola israel and so
rebbe i can't thank you enough from the
bottom of my heart for giving me and us
this opportunity to be able to have this
conversation
and i want to begin by asking rebbe how
important is
the experiences and the stories that
we're going to hopefully please god draw
from of the opportunities rebbe has had
to meet and spend time with gedola
israel how important for an aspiring
talmud
for a ben torah to be meshamesh
to engage that hula and to not only
learn in the basement and share but to
learn from leaders outside of it as well
attitudes are also part of the masoru
you don't just have a dry muscle around
the dynamite in this case it's muta this
case is oscar
you have to see what are the attitudes
of the rabbi
it's important to pick up
from from the earlier generation what
their attitudes were many different
things
you have to know how to weigh you have
different insurgents there are always
different opinions you have to know how
to navigate which is the accepted
opinion which is the generally accepted
opinion you have to see them
that these
very important
what is rebbe's we all know rebbe as one
of the tamidim of hakkim of the rav of
rabbi salavechek and the continuation of
his misora of his legacy what are some
of rebbi's earliest memories of rabbi
salavaitchik what drew rebbe to be a
talmud of rav salaveczyk
what happened was i think uh two years
before my bar mitzvah my father took me
to hear rap celebrations outside russia
he had the art site there every year on
gimelsman for his father at which time
he would deliver a talk for four hours
first two hours would be yeshiran
next to ours would be uh drasha
ashkoffa on that
topic that he had just given the shear
on
and he had to prepare me in advance i
was before bahamut so he prepared all
the gemaras with me
and
rabbi salvation was such a good
balmasber the yeshi was in yiddish but i
understood yiddish because my father
used to give to russia in yiddish so he
understood the so my father took me
before my bar mitzvah
and
and then when i was in third year high
school
the rebbe recommended to the principal
of mta
that
for the next year my senior year in high
school they should put me around
celebrate shakespeare but because i was
so young
so they said i should be in another
arabic relics year the other days of the
week so i should be tied down every day
i should have ascension that time i was
already going to give you twice a
week on tuesday and wednesday so they
felt that i should go they were both
learning the same game or a sanhedrin i
was always ignorable
it was learning the amarya sanhedrin
so i was in rabbi so i was fortunate i
was in literally she when i was still in
high school
and i learned by absolute for 10 years
my impression is that those were the
best 10 years of his life they were the
best 10 years of my life i think that's
those were the strongest years
that he gave sheer in the yeshiva i see
people from the years before my time
they really can't say over things in
halakha from there they can say about
russia's but somehow he this the shia
was too hot for them
but time i came to this year he lowered
it down a little bit
so i understood everything that he had
to say
and my father was thrilled
that uh my father had learned
paramusha's celebrating my father was
thrilled that i i could follow celebrate
elevator
and is it true that um that rebbe would
only write down notes from from the rav
shir occasionally not even in real time
that rebbe was was paying attention to
the share in real time and only
recording the notes later
i used to learn
i had a harusa who whose family lived in
boston
he lives now in boca raton uh
herbie millen
sure rabbi by milan he's retired now
rabbi millions told me
that when aaron lichtenstein learned by
the rav he used to write the note
somewhat sorry shabbos
so i thought why did he do that to she
was on tuesday and wednesday why did he
write the note someone said i'm saying i
must have a good reason
so i assumed he probably thought over
the sheer and then he realized you have
to rearrange certain ideas that rob
worked it out so that's what i did for
quite a few years then after a year a
few years of doing that
i wouldn't write any notes at all during
this year but only this year was tuesday
wednesday i would write the notes i'm at
soy shabbas then i found out that rabbi
miller meant when aaron listens team was
going to harvard and he was staying in
his parents home and he learned but the
rob on shabbos afternoon then he wrote
the notes on it so he showed us but i
was already so used to my system
so i continued like that till i started
to go on dates
when i started the date so sometimes i
needed mozart shabbas sunday night to
write the notes so then i started then i
started writing they're not doing this
year
but in the early early years the first
uh seven eight years maybe even more
uh of the ten years that i learned by
the love i only wrote the notes down on
my toei shabbos and on sunday night yeah
and we're so fortunate and and blessed
to have those notes because they formed
the basis of of several many of this
farm that we have of the rav on
on gemara on
london itself are derived from rebbe's
notes right
sure
so it's a great bracha did rabbi have an
opportunity to have a relationship
outside of sheer with the rav was the
rav approachable
what kind of time was spent or what
opportunities were there for for rebbe
to develop a relationship and to be
meshamish the roth outside of shir
itself
and i was in this year uh
haber bunch beagle was a roommate of
mine in the dormitory branch beagle he
spoke yiddish because he was a european
so he was very close with the rock he
would go to the rob's apartment and talk
to him a lot
i was younger much younger than ava
brunch beagle and i never had that uh
i never wanted his in later years after
my time the younger boys always went to
the rob's apartment they would walk him
home to the dormitory from the shia to
the dormitory then they would sit and
chew a zero for a whole afternoon i
never did that the only the only time
outside of she was when i would visit in
boston so then i would be in my monarchs
i would stay every so often either by
the millions or say my aunt and uncle
lived for a while in boston and my
grandmother lived here while in boston
so i would stay with relatives or with
friends
and dive and buy their oven rashani i'm
kipper to see
how he diamonds on yantuv
that
there everything was informal then he
was very friendly we thought about about
them in the show
and the opportunity to observe him and
to learn from that in that setting and i
know rebbe used to emphasize and cheer
from the haftarah we just read to look
for arabia
and and one sees that i guess in the
everyday life
absolutely had a practice whenever he
would do something he would explain to
the people why he's doing it so i
remember ahmed soy yum kippur he would
he would fold up his talos and he said
the whole issue of holding a talis today
is only
but yum kipp you permitted to make honey
for the morning of yom kippur
or
someone just called me last night for
merits israel and the gopin so he tells
me that he used to sit near the rover
maimonides so whenever it would be
jantov would be on air of shabbos and
make an air tough shilling so the rob
would always fold this tower say after
musso van gaantev explain to the people
that since we made an air of tough
children so we're permitted to fold the
tallest today for tomorrow we wouldn't
make an abduction with me muta
remember i meant so young kipper if the
weather permitted he would always go say
kirish lavana and he would always
explain but i'm a toy t-shirt of your
kid so tishman you have to wait till you
put your shoes on until you eat so yeah
i'm kipper in a happy mood so you can
say kitties live on it right away even
though you don't have shoes on even
though you didn't eat any food whenever
he would do something he would always
explain to the people around him so
those who didn't spend time in boston
are missing all of these explanations he
always explained everything
and and many of those explanations are
recorded obviously in inefficient
and the further volumes that that gives
us those who didn't have the privilege
of learning buyers spending time with
their of access to to those midhub we're
not going to go in chronological order
but but really um going on a tour with
rebbe of the of the gedom that rebbe met
so um so again not not going in order
but going back in in rebbe's life to
being an mta there was a time in mta
where some of the talmudim were sent to
lakewood to learn with ravana cutler and
to spend some time there rebbe was among
them
um
i was the only one from high school the
others were older than me the others
were in college or in smith already
rabbi tendler by maisha david was my
rebbe in first year high school
and this was the summer that i was going
to turn 14 i was still only 13. i wasn't
even 14 yet so rabbi tendler sent a
group of 10 15 boys
to learn in lakewood it was a very tiny
yeshiva at that time they didn't have
thousands of students
they had
maybe a hundred i don't know rabbi
tender's
uh
middle brother
yossi tender who passed away a few years
ago from baltimore uh he was then
learning like he was single then he was
lying so he was looking after us
and uh
i think i'm not sure look i think he
wanted to give hezek the liquid
so he sent another 10 15 boys there
the other world didn't mean i was the
youngest one and when rebbe was there
was there interaction with ravana cutler
did ruby have an opportunity to meet him
uh there wasn't too much interaction
because uh baron cutler wasn't there the
whole week he just came shot this and he
gave the shia that's why they don't have
any tapes of his shirt because he was he
wasn't there in the weekdays and sharp
as you can tape it and then
he was going there was a can they see
abdullah which the guru was having in
eretz who saw so he was going to leave
so uh just on i remember that shabbos he
gave us
they learned we learned there i was
there for a short period of time so we
learned git and of you gimmel
the the the while that i was there
abandoned
not on the duff it was something on baba
basra
and i didn't understand one word so
right after this year everybody ran into
the back room i didn't know where
where's everybody running they said
yanko shift
says the hazard yankel shift was the
star student yeah i think he prepared
the with rabban kotlin advanced
later he married the daughter of adobola
soloveitchik
so i ran to the back room also to hear
the hazard i didn't understand one word
that he said either
so then and then we had chavos afternoon
so i wanted to hear this person the
uncle ships i sat down next to him and
he was talking and learning i still say
over some of the things that he told me
that i remember
and
[Music]
and then i'm a toy shabbos i remember
that man so shabbos they said kiddish
levana must have been tamus i don't
think it was of yet it was tamu's middle
kitties lebanon someone taps me on the
shoulder the rash yeshiva wants to talk
to me in his office i went to his office
and he says to me ingalla little boy
tell me over this year i didn't
understand one word then this year
i understood the yiddish but i didn't
understand what he was driving it so i
started to fund for something i started
to say something so i don't know what
i'm talking about so he said that's good
enough in the edition that's good enough
but uh he was very nice
amazing
and moving over um to sort of a
different world
did rebbe have an opportunity to ever
meet the labacher rabbit did rabbi
interact at all with the lubavitch rebbe
little chairs when my first child got
engaged
so uh
um
altametzka met me he used to teach in
stern college maybe he still teaching
historically i don't know
and uh he met me and he asked
tells me motherhood your daughting
engaged would be interested in getting a
broker from the laboratory i had no
shackles for the obamacare so i said
with a straight face i'll ask my
daughter let me write down your phone
number i'll ask my daughter she wants a
bracha and if she does then we're going
to call you on the phone so i went with
with the color
and
some of the children i ready for god
they have pictures of it because they
took pictures of everybody so uh rabbi
metzger arranged that i should be on the
vip line they don't have to wait too
long
and uh
and i remember uh the people already in
crown heights already heard that i'm
going to come on sunday
to get abraham from the rebel so one of
the people called me up on the phone he
knew that i had published advice about
land for peace and the rebel was
supposed to live that's what i wrote
it's against the din so he said when he
heard i was going to go visit the rem he
said give the rabbi a copy of your
daughter so he said that's but the
rabbit does need my approval
it says his opinion he says no mock my
words the rebel will appreciate it so i
felt so uncomfortable so i bring i made
a xerox copy and i brought it in a
manila envelope
and then at the end of the whole
conversation that the rebel gave
everybody two dollars gabriel were about
to leave so i said
yeah uncle ruben i pinned the plan and
say yankel rubin said i should give you
the vaterra that i wrote
i felt so uncomfortable giving a mind
right there
so he says to me
it says he said in yiddish says in this
foreigners
which means a different thing so he said
if someone gives you that toy you have
to give him money so he gave me another
two dollars and he put it on the table
next one so i thought he's going to put
it in the sheamus or something so years
years later years go by
and
we're on vacation in the summertime
and our next on aber and the next uh
cottage is alabama
say watch the movies of the rebbe
greeting all the people on sunday
morning so who's there online rabbi
hershel
the one who just pissed away a few years
ago so he's online
and he meets the rabbit and he says the
rabbit says what's your name
so he says oh the russian
you're the one who gave me that tehran
land for peace
so he says no he was my father's age
he says no
the president of the mizrahim the
president of the rca and the president
of a
soviet jewry the president of the
president's commissary president of
every organization in america he was
and he was the one who brought rap
salvation to the fabrega and also that
time rob salvation
so he said he's not the one so i
apparently did leave an impression on
him that uh i gave him the doctor and
then for peace and he remembered it i
was very surprised
he supposedly had an amazing memory and
obviously exposed to so many people and
yet remembered who they where they were
um in this horrific pandemic we've lost
um true truly special people great
leaders great rabbanim among them was
the rosh moaxes
the nova mitsuba and i know that rebbe
had the opportunity to have a
relationship with the movement
when when he lived in washington heights
i believe that may be an issue and even
at some point took over his his sheer
what was robbie's relationship like with
the nova minsk what stood out about the
nova minsker that we could learn from
when another minsk arabic came from
chicago to washingtonites
they appointed him the russia shiva
embroiders base madrish so whoever the
practice of whoever is officially the
russian ship voice based madrid was the
rabbi and the aguda minion so it was a
couple of years where there was politics
in the ishida that is also politics but
different kind of politics at that time
i didn't want to dive in an issue
because of the politics i used to dive
in yagura for a few years
so the navy minsk red
when he came from chicago took over
used to be the rashidi before him and
then he went to gateshead
to be to be involved in gateshead issues
so rabbi friedley used to give his shirt
a reshabas afternoon for the parents
of the students in the yeshiva that they
should be able to learn together with
their children and to know hidusha torah
on the daft that they're learning so
navi minsk took over that sheer when he
first came he was used to screaming very
loud speaking very loud and he strained
his vocal cord so much that there was a
chansha she would lose his voice so the
doctor told me he's not allowed to speak
for around a year
so he couldn't give the shiam shabbos
afternoon and the weekly she or the
daily share that he gave in in the
breeze ishiba he would write it on the
blackboard and distribute he would write
it up and distribute to the students so
the shiran shabs afternoon he asked he
asked me to pinch it for him
that he had seen a lot of my notes
apparently someone in chicago had a copy
of my notes from absolutely chick sharon
so he says he knows that i know how to
say ishii and for quite a few years
something like close to 10 years i gave
the shiran shah this afternoon that was
officially this year for the um for the
parents and the grandparents of the
students who are learning employers
yeshiva
used to go visit him a lot yeah we used
to go visit him because he lived in a
neighborhood used to talk and learning
yeah
i think it was um i think rebbe has
shared that early in rebbe's marriage uh
rebbe and the rebels and went
territorial for some time hoping a very
dare to srell would it would bring
brachas and on that trip correct me if
i'm wrong that it was on that trip that
ready went around to different easter
all to get broncos included among them
was the stiplogone
the stipler what was that conversation
what was that bracha what was that like
what happened was we didn't have an
issue we were married or while we didn't
have any children so we went to the
exclusive
so we should be blessed with you so we
stayed in my back for a while so someone
said i should go to this type law i had
never heard of the disciple before his
forum were not yet
available in america
it wasn't available in every cell either
he he didn't sell it in the stores he
had to go to his home so they told me go
to the disciple and yes craig broken so
i said
what do you do well how do you ask for a
broker so he said
first buy a copy of it first buy some
swarm after you buy safer than you so i
came they didn't tell me the whole story
he was hard of hearing he had a pair of
paper in front of him so he screams that
in yiddish what can i do for you so he
gives me the pair of paper i should
write it down so i wrote down i want to
buy his safer on kidushan
that was in the middle of the summer and
yeshiva was not like edushin
after labor day that that september so
he climbs up on the ladder he gets the
conducion i give him the money he starts
giving me the nickel change or the
quarter change i said you can keep the
change the big dlc says now business is
business he's not a poor man he doesn't
need donations he gives me the court of
change then he screams on the edge what
else can i do for you so i wrote down on
a piece of paper that i'm married and we
don't have any children can he bless me
would you say yes i should be blessed
with children then he screams on yiddish
what else can i do for you i wrote down
on the pad of paper i was embarrassed to
say i was a rebbe in ishida at that time
i was already a rebbe because i didn't
have a beard so i thought it'd give me a
hard time so i said i learned in a kylo
an american occult can he give me a
bracha to have it it was true also i was
lying in the cold also so i said can you
give me a broken for hotslock on
learning so he screamed back at me and
he says in yiddish
all the brothers in the world are not
going to help sit and learn and to be
much sleek and learning doesn't help to
get broken to be a muslim
yes that remains with me
it's uh such a different image of today
we're going to the
going to his son and the khatsa and the
lines and the access and and one is
lucky if they get it
as opposed to the uh what else do you
need what else can i do for you the
world has changed erratically uh in that
way i guess and and in that time was it
also on that trip that rebbe met uh
some chocolate bars and special treats
sure what happened was rav shah gave his
shirt in the yeshiva
and i i listened to this year
so after this year he walked over to me
and he says
he says in yiddish
where do i come from he knows that i'm a
guest
so i asked my wife later on how did he
know i was a guest and she said of
course you're the only one who was
wearing a straw hat
everybody else was wearing a black felt
hat i was wearing a dark straw hat he
came up to me he says where do you come
i said i come from america i learned in
ishima so he said i should come visit
him so i didn't know whenever i went to
visit people and never tell you i always
went with my wife i didn't realize his
wife was an invalid she was bedridden
for many many years so i came with my
wife
so when we came so he apologized that
his wife is not well now he didn't tell
me she was bedridden for years he tells
me the wife is not well she can't come
out of the bedroom
but he didn't so he wanted to talk to me
in learning but he felt that it's
improper to talk to me i'm learning my
wife is just be sitting there she he he
was giving a on the sugiya in kidus
and after you gimmel about shibura
loved her
he told me about ramban in the end of
barbara on the topic so he felt
uncomfortable how can he talk and
learning and keep my wife sitting there
so he gave her a chocolate bar and he
said she should eat the chocolate bar so
she felt uncomfortable eating a
chocolate bar so he said no no it's
kasha it's kasha you see if it has he
says in yiddish if it has this emblem
from the badass that means that it's
kosher you came
she felt uncomfortable eating in his
presence so so cozman she was eating the
chocolate bar he was talking learning
the second that she finished the
chocolate bar he felt it's not proper so
he stopped talking and learning it
wasn't there it's the talk and learning
when she's sitting and waiting there
that was interesting
such a different a different time and
again the rebbe had access to these
godolam because they were so much more
accessible they were so much more
available than the world that we live in
today
was it also on that trip or was it a
different period that rebbe spent
shabbos meals that ravenoshvinko that
evie was exposed to the banishment
yeah the first time we visited erit
israel the banish finkel when he was a
teenager was very friendly with my
father-in-law my father-in-law learned
in europe in the mirri sheba as a
teenager said they were very close
friends
so he only wanted my father gave us a
list of all of his friends we should go
visit them and say hello and eat by them
so he only wanted we when we were you
shall not have to spend we have to eat
all the meals by him
we didn't do that but we ate more by him
than by anybody else sure he was very
friendly he was a big kibbutz he was a
big joker he had quite a sense of humor
yeah what were those meals like we have
the image of uh big rabonam of gadolin
that the meals are kulo torah was there
also
those shabbos meals what were those yeah
yeah sure i remember that year tisha b
we ate quite a few times by him remember
one uh one of the meals we were talking
that year tish above fell out down
shabbos and it was a nitrate to sunday
so we was i brought up in conversation
um
it says
that there's no
on fasting
is before bar mitzvah he's going to be
my mitzvah next week
he's healthy you don't make them first
untisable so the shuttle is what if the
child is going to be bar mitzvah and udo
he was born 13 years ago yudov and this
year europe he is bar mitzvah and
everybody else is fasting on europe but
on tisha b'av he's not a bar mitzvah is
the first thing on europa touch lumen
for yesterday so since yesterday he was
not a bar mitzvah so he doesn't even
have to fast today
on anurag because nam kris to do tash
lumen he was mukhim in the first place
what do you say no
and that year that tishbo falls out on
the shabbos the ike from the very outset
was that you failed on your off because
the gemara quotes foreign
if i would have been there at the time
of the urban advice he would have
instituted tisha b and europe because
the mainstream space amigos took place
on europe so i was talking to a banished
finkel about that uh about
that dion and he rushed out maybe the
cotton shahid alan yudhov doesn't have
to face because it could touch london
for yesterday so that time
all of his daughters were married except
for one the one is now married to rabbi
lapianski
so she was sitting and listening and she
was giving a running commentary on
everything so she thought that was
humorous zara young
that the kid doesn't have to fist even
though he is bar mitzvah today on europe
because yesterday he wasn't
she would uh she would give she was
interesting she was giving a running
commentary whenever we would speak
yeah that's amazing it's i i find it
very instructive and inspiring that that
rebbe's associations with each of these
visits and they were more than a few
years ago
is by the torah or the torah that was
shared today many young people they meet
somebody of great stature and all they
care about is getting a picture with
that person all they care about is the
ability to tell others they met that
person um but but obviously rebbe is
sharing with us that what's most
important is to be able to to learn
torah from that person and to associate
the visit and the person with the torah
or the or the hidushay torah that one
got from that experience in almost every
one of these stories let's let's come
back if we could come back to america um
in rebbe's first day here it's at 3 i
believe one of the haskammus is from the
pinchas
of montreal why did rabbi choose
rehearsable to give a haskamma was there
a relationship murder first sprung was
one of the few who passed the pin test
uh on every daf of shas why what was
that relationship
uh it wasn't my choice i had a boy
maishir abe schmidtman whose parents
lived in montreal his father
was a rabbi montreal when the
schmidtmans used to live in
in riverdale he used to
once a week on thursday nights unless he
had something unless he was busy with
something in the show so this boy amy
schmidtman is now rabbi in philadelphia
so he insisted he knew i was working on
this he insisted he's going to get
raversboom the writer
so i gave him all the mammarum all the
essays and he brought it to rabbi
hershbung who read through the whole
thing he read everything
and then he wrote a husqvarna he wrote
soy shabbas and he looked on the
calendar and he wrote the date for
shabbos
so if you look if you're checking the
calendar it sounds like you wrote to us
because he wrote the day of the month
with the shabbos the good day and then
when the safer was printed so i sent
them a copy so one of my sons went on on
a pier
a good visit to montreal and then when
they met rabbi hershbung so he said oh
you rabbi son yes your father why did he
change three things in the safer he read
the whole cipher before he was printed
then he read the whole safety after and
he realized that i changed three things
from the time that he gave it to him to
the time that it was printed ask your
father why did he change three things in
the safe
he had big respect for abdul salam he
loved he
heard the return from rabbit salvation
he was that's why he was
very nice to me because he knew that i
was a student around salvation he was
very nice to me
that is that is extraordinary um
we just lost david feinstein
that's all and the world is still in in
mourning from that loss um i believe
rebbe consulted him with with shiloh's
and and had a relationship i know even
magazine in their in their article that
talked about rav david talked about the
other great rabbanim who would consult
with him and rebbe's name was listed in
the article in the magazine among those
what was that relationship with rav
david what was rav david like what kinds
of issues did rebbe consult halal with
him about
i really didn't have with rabdavid
feinstein every so often when people
would discuss and shine with me
so a lot of our emotions tubers are not
written so clearly see
every so often the he has a hectare
because if there was one condition in
that case that he forgot to write and
the whole head they rested are not
conditioned so the
function was there when his father was
writing all these jews i think rumored
feinstein i think i was told was
learning in cleveland and it tells
yeshiva at the time but
was there with his father so he knew all
of these truths and he knew under which
conditions they applied to which
conditions didn't ever so often there's
a contradiction between different jews
and he's the only one who knows but the
answer is he knows what's what's missing
and the children what conditions so
every so often people had serious
shyness
and i i was not in a position to give
them an answer i would recommend they
better go to abdul bit because he can't
take the egress moisture at face value
a lot of times there's information
missing and um obviously in washington
heights uh schwab was was there of in
washington heights and there was a
relationship and overlap and
and and what were some of the lessons or
insights from
the relationship or from conversations
with schwab that ready can share with us
uh for quite a few years maybe five
years or so i was officially the rabbi
in the show kahaladashi shown in paramus
at that time it was a branch of breus
so issues came up and i had to usually
discuss the issues with rabbi schmidt
because they're supposed to follow the
succumb of
of the kihilla
so
once a year every year i would go with
my wife with all of our children there's
a rubbish bob on halamoid sukkas
and we would stay for a long time he
would tell us stories he would talk
about his visit to the khasanesh he knew
my wife's uncle who was killed by the
nazis
he knew
from europe
um
arya islam his name was islam he said
when he learned and tells that was the
altar of that he looked up to he wanted
to be like istan
so he would tell us
about members of the family my wife's
family he would tell the stories
he would talk i remember one occasion
on one occasion
he was giving me an instruction look
here young man when you're in the
rabbinate you can't always be mahm and
everything sometimes you have to adopt
sometimes you're forced into adopting a
lenient position otherwise he's gonna
lose everything he was talking about
they're wearing a schaetel that
a lubacher
young man wrote a whole safer
uh that the women shouldn't wear
shapeline everyone should wear tir no
one should be mako to wear
and he said he can't give a huskaman he
was asking me do i know who it is the
young man wanted him to give
on the safe he had given us come on the
previous safer that he wrote encouraging
the men not to shave with an electric
shaver
you shouldn't use shavers
so he what so he gave us come on let's
say he wanted him to the young man
wanted him to give us come on this safe
so he says he can't give us come on not
safe he says you have to learn to live
with certain kulas otherwise you just
lose all the people that's an important
lesson in life and in their evidence
sure
how does one know and in the rabbit and
how does one know what what to learn to
live with and what to propose to fight
for that's you got to work hard
that's that's the magic question
and a rebbe and and through the
mishpakha had a close relationship with
rob gifter
what was it like spending yom tobin and
a relationship with your gifter what
what could we learn about regifter
usually rabbi gifter was on shabbos
my brother-in-law is rabbi gifter's son
one of my brothers-in-law and
whenever there would be a
bar mitzvah or a knife rule for a
sherman brothers a rubber gift that
would come and we would spend time
talking and learning is a very pleasant
we spoke and learning i remember in the
rabbi gifter where he lived in uh he
lived in
cleveland
then he went there to surf a few years
and he came back the man was speaking to
him after he came back so he makes a
comment he changed while he was in earth
so he changed his their habit instead of
learning so slowly he picked up he says
i picked up your style to cover more
ground to go faster and he says he
thinks it's smarter to go first that the
government ground is smart
he was he was strong in learning
he was strong over him did he or others
give advice to rebbe as a magazine as a
reshashiva what was important and and
within within giving
or growing a yeshiva whether was there
that kind of advice or give and take
from from a gifter from others
or was more in learning specifically
i don't remember gifter i just remember
once rabbi naftali newberger
was talking to me in baltimore
we have our three boys learnt in
baltimore yoshida
uh one after the other after the other
so we used to go well once a year once
every year and a half to visit the son
who was in high school there in
baltimore
so once
rabbi newberger was talking to me about
the politics so he was upset there was
one rebbe
in you
who
spoke them on the phone for an hour
whether he should stay and why you he
should leave
and he says trying to convince me now
he's not allowed to leave you you have
to have a school like you
not everybody's going to go to
baltimore yeshiva you have to have
yeshiva for the other people also
and he was trying to convince this
person for an hour then the person after
the hour person didn't listen to him and
he left you so he was so upset he said
so what did he waste my time for now if
he's not going to listen to my advice so
he was just telling me i should stay in
yu and i should be mad slayer and we
have to cater to all the people not
everybody is cut out to learn a lake but
not everybody's cut out to learn in
baltimore yeshiva you have to have
different yeshivas with different people
yeah
ravia
i'm not going back territorial but when
ravada came to america he came to y u
was there a time that he was considering
even a position at why you he came to
kshira as the as the ravarashi or it was
uh visiting in some other capacity
i think he had completed his 10 years as
a rabbi rashi
and and dr lam invited him to come to be
a maggot cheer for a year
uh
so
there was no harm in meaning because he
was busy starting the shas
uh
organization at that time so there was
no havamina but dr lim uh thought that
it's a bob hesman
so
then
the minute he stepped on the plane they
already attacked him in israeli
newspapers
that he's selling his soul for money
that while he was paying him a fortune
of money to come teach nyu and he's
going to take he would normally he would
never even look at you but he's selling
his cell phone truth of the matter was
he never had to have a minute to teach
nyu for a year and he didn't take a
penny he ended it he didn't he didn't
take any money they were negotiating how
much you're going to give him if he
comes for a year he said he can't come
for a year he's busy forming the shas
party so i think he came for a week
so the first day he was here he gave his
shirt a lamp at auditorium
second day he was here gave a shirt in
the old-based mattress then the third
day they didn't know what to do with him
already what what were they going to do
for a year they didn't know what to do
the third day
so i always used to dab in a new sheet
and i used to sit and learn after chakra
is still uh until 10 30 11 o'clock i
would go home to have a late breakfast
so robert came into the basement he says
quickly quickly i should take off my
television film
is coming to his office you have to get
people to entertain and we have to ask
him shirles sorry i went to the office
rabbi tender was there i was there and
we were asking him different childhoods
what he would ask him but it's a
different style it's a different style
of sock that he had then then the next
day we met together with him and dr
lam's office he said we should ask him
childless and doctor and we ask him
shyness but it's a different style of
suck difference i remember at that time
dr lam was then trying to convince me i
should take off
i should take off for half a year to get
shimmers
so i told them i told my i wasn't
interested it's a different style of
sock i i have a different style from ab
salvation not his style
very different style of sound is pharma
beautiful it's very pleasant talking to
him and learning but we we don't always
come to the same house corner
his memory was his ability to draw was
extraordinary i'm sure that was
amazing to be exposed to
rebbe's rebbe is close with i know rebbe
more appreciates her amar
as the russian nation when he was the
original ezion how does
what does rebbe appreciate so much more
about about remar style a very friendly
person is very respectful to other
people who's always very kind
i was on the comp territory my son rabbi
shai who's going to have
what they call a yakical it was around
thanksgiving season of the year this
season is going to have the akhikale for
balabatam who are coming from america so
someone contacted my son that
a grandson
we would make him very happy if we would
come to the wedding so he said fine so
the before the whole yakikawa began we
were there a day early so before it all
began we both went to the wedding he was
so thrilled that i came he insisted i
have to sit next to him he's pouring me
one cup of wine then another couple
months and another guy i because i had
more than i because i kept on pouring i
had to go that i had not admired yet so
i had to go dog myers after i died myra
came back and the other people were
saying that he chased the other people
away i have to sit right next to him
it was that's when that's when
mr trump was elected president
after the election four years ago and
trump was elected president so they he
tells me that
they want him as the chief ability to
send a congratulations to mr trump trump
that he was
elected as the president
but he heard that his daughter married
his gracious daughter married a jewish
person how can he say mazel tov to if
there's an intermarriage you heard that
there was a conversion was it a valid
commission who said as it happens i was
part of the besan he was so relieved oh
it is really an orthodox conversion he's
going to send a model though good
we think of when we think of why you we
think of of of the leadership of the
past of the godel we think of the rav
but there are obviously many others
european rabonum russia yeshiva among
them rav david lipschitz the suvaker
what was what was there of david like
what was the impact or impression he
left on the yeshiva and on rebbe
he dressed the same way he dressed in
europe and he spoke year dish all the
time he was he was the same as he was in
europe he wasn't going to change when
the boys didn't understand yiddish they
had to give the sheer in iris he didn't
speak everything he gave the shiva
neighbors
everybody loved rap david live shits
everybody loved him abdullah has been
always asking what are you learning
from whatever
he would tell you what the raj boss says
he'll always tell you something i
remember on one occasion he asked me
what am i learning so i figured this
time i'm going to fix his wagon so i
said i'm learning eric and duff whatever
he gave me on the spot
on that death he knew all over he knew
kochimi knew everything
he was very
very
he was in the shadow of rabbi salvatric
all he is not for episode of he would
have been a
bigger star he was a star he had a
tremendous influence on everybody i was
never in his sheer but uh i always spoke
them in the basement everybody spoke to
him it's like everybody's grandfather
he liked everybody
who was some of the other other
europeans and what was the connection
through them to that other world into
the godolm of that other world
robert garelick was was always telling
other things from abdullah salah
he learned over in europe he was one of
the lucky people
double had i think 11 seats on his on
his dining room table so he accepted
eleventh i'll need him he said they had
a quota rodney said so many amir said
someone in islam had a number of
students came from ichijiv so he was one
of the lucky people who learned parabama
he would always tell us
i remember the debater about rabdavilla
more so than negemara that he thought i
learned sanhedrin the year i was in his
he had a big influence on a lot of
students
a big influence a lot of things that he
he said over beautifully he was really
slobodki
he represented slobodki it's a different
world yeah yeah sure
what
hashem after
what does rebbe hope that that will take
from rebbe what does rebbe hope rebbe's
legacy will be for his talmudim if what
we remember in addition of course the
safari and the torah and the
and the shailess and chuvas but in terms
of a legacy of life a legacy of learning
a legacy of ashkafa what would rebbe
hope that if if this interview were
being done with one of rebbie's talmidim
and many many years from now and they
were asked what was it like to be in
reshechter sheer to be in rav shakhtar's
circle what does rebbe hope that that
we're taking from rebbe's legacy
i have the impression that in every
generation we have an obligation to
transmit the turret to the next
generation i think that's the mitzvah
period verification
and the jew would be became the mitzvah
even if his children were not jewish but
after matantora the whole nature of the
mids were changed it's no longer a
military it's to populate the globe
the mitzvah only applies to beneath soil
and the nature of the mid-swear is the
only earth in the mid so if you have
jewish children that's how the magu
mishna learns in the rambam in the
midfield and if you have children you
don't transmit territory you're also not
yotif and the gemara would appear around
the earth if he transmits turret to the
children
and all the posts can say if a person
says and many others say and evidence on
the first page they say if a couple is
unable to have their own children so
they should adopt the child and they
should teach turret to the other they
should support yeshivas
said they support
march the kimberley
said the whole mitzvah period you have
the mutton there is to transmit
tori and yudhisthira to the next
generation every generation people think
differently they dress differently
everything is a little bit different but
there has to be
a hampshire you have to have a
continuation so i think i'm doing not a
bad job of transmitting
a lot of things that i heard from ira
being and i hope that my students will
also do the same they should succeed in
transmitting everything in yiddish kite
that
they picked up to the next generation
how does rebbe see the the talmidim of
today is different than than when rebbe
was younger what's it like to be in
yeshiva the dara khalimud the challenges
that tommy didn't have does ruby feel
things are easier or harder are they are
they similar or are they very different
than they used to be
the challenges are greater but i think
there's more learning going on now and
not times we didn't have somebodies for
him
not so available
even the base matters didn't have some
in this form
now there are 25 sets of mishna brewer
and 20 sets of every table has shots on
it
yeah
the most foreign i think there's more
learning now than in my time for sure
more learning now
much farther more learning and more
distraction more technology
what is the action yeah yes
it's also harder
just going back we we mentioned several
of the of the chief rabbis that rebbe
was privileged to have relationships
with um included among them was chief
rabbi shapiro and and the time that was
spent there whatever these impressions
of stories that are shapiro share with
with ready recollections of his exposure
to his good old like
and others
he told all the different stories
he told over
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remember when he was a chief rabbi he
said he visited the ou
because uh he's in charge of the
kashus and eric israel so he came he's
very surprised that the system that we
have here it's much better than his
system
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and i remember once he was upset why i
wrote i wrote the different pisces for
the oh you said one of them i quoted
them
was dying
that's in a certain sense that's in
competition with the aj
so i quoted dying weiss wrote so many
volumes of jewish men
say quoted something
if you have toots
so he was upsetting me why'd you have to
quote diane weiss that was the sakura
kubo in europe i don't have to quote
dying wise that was absurd whatever the
tooth started
he would i remember on one occasion he
was giving a shirt in the old base
madrish the rabbi soloveitchik was
already very old and he came in late in
the middle of this year whereby was
short so he ran over to ram celebrate
cheek and he kissed him he kissed his
hand
and then he went back to the podium to
speak say he said in irid he said says
uh people in the basement
but he allowed a kiss to save him
he said
he's the safe attire we permitted to
kiss him
that was very moving he used to speak so
quickly
when i remember the few times that i
visited him and eric so he would speak
so quickly so in order to slow him down
i would switch to yiddish then it was
vikkiris quickly then we switched to
evit and kept on switching back forth to
slow him down a little bit his his style
his speech was so quick
he was very sharp he was very shocked
himself
right
he was one of the earlier tambien yeah
but i don't i don't know if herbaram was
by him
i don't know what does rubbish shapiro
tell tell rubby about moving territorial
i know rebbe reby every time ravi speaks
about every artist
it's a stronghold he gets emotional it's
visible it's obvious and it must be hard
to not be inherited strong did rav
shapira any of the others that are
destroyed give you a hard time about
that not moving there you mentioned what
rabbi neuberger said about not leaving
yu what about moving to israel
i remember one occasion
um
he had someone called me up he wants me
to visit him i should come with my wife
my children
so the the shamas came he picked us up
he made up a date at the time
that we came and he was giving us all
brachas he says he's a coin and he can
get brock as a gay broker to everybody
and then he starts giving me a sales
pitch for 25 minutes why i should come
there it's israel they need people like
me
he said for many years they had rabonum
would retire from europe and they would
come territory so so the badats
had an abundance of mara
but they didn't have people who knew how
to say a good knockout shia so he says
when when shemo salant was getting old
then he wanted an assistant rabbit to
take over well he'll have to retire
so they were suggesting different people
the end of the story was that the
haderus came they picked the anders but
he said at that time the story goes that
rav
soloveitchik recommended that they
should take rabitsa panavision why
because he said they have enough
well to be tied up on him can pass out
they need someone who knows how to say
that
was uh was
the biggest palmer radish of the
generation so rabbi ram said he read
quite a few of my debate and he enjoyed
them very much and he was telling me he
wrote this about this and he quoted
absolutely about that and he quoted the
raga java about this not stop he he read
them and he remembered them he said we
need people like you and ourselves to
give a shirt and then he says i have
money i have access to money if you want
i can make you your own yeshiva your own
kylo if you want i can get you a job in
an existing issue will go we need people
like you around 25 minutes a whole
conversation then at the end of the
whole uh sales pitcher he asked me by
the way in addition to giving issue nyu
what else do you do
so i said at that time he used to give a
weekly share and rabbi looks thing sure
he used to be a weekly ship
so he says how many people attend the
ship so i said 25 10 25 35 people every
week what else that i used to give a
week at that time i gave a weekly share
in queens i still did that weekly shift
on zoom now okay but it's for the group
in queens how many people attend that
more
and then he says and then once a month i
gave his shiva in this place once a
month over here in new jersey and this
and that so he adds it all up in his
mind he says if that's the case he takes
it back
he says if you're having so much
influence in america that you give us
your merry weekend every month that's
such a big crowd maybe you should belong
you belong in america
the obligation to live in arizona is if
that's our malcolm but if your malcolm
is in america so you belong in america
so that's why because of him i don't
feel so guilty uh
staying in america all these years maybe
it is my markham
i'm welcome to be my rich story in
america and because of rabbi i don't
feel so guilty so it's it's passed
forward to help us hopefully it's a my
makham too even though for for us
um and on that visitor it's charlotte
was it the first visit was barrow
salvation
mentioned uh stopping at uh
yeah sure we visited our bell salvage
again what was that visit like anything
memorable from that
oh that is very memorable my wife will
tell you all about that uh
said
you were supposed to come and learn by
me what happened
after learning by absolutely chick for
nine years
rabbi guerrero finally convinced me i
should go learn barrel salvation other
people were telling me people who knew
red barrel celebration knew me they
thought i wouldn't be happy i wouldn't
like it but robbie gorilla convinced me
so that summer before i went there it's
israel i already had my passport stamped
toshiba roy temporary visitor because i
was going to be in arizona for a year
but i hadn't yet bought the the plane
ticket to leave so that summer i met my
wife and we got engaged we got married
and i never went there
so yes
you were supposed to come and learn by
me what happened how come you didn't
come so i said i met my wife and i got
married so he said so what more than
half the people are learned by him i'm
married i can come and i'm married so i
said well i have an obligation i have to
make a pronounce after support my wife
so he says i have a parnosa for you so
he tells me this story that when his
father abdullah was a teenager so the
father didn't send them to university
although they never went to university
so people asked raphael
how is he going to make a living he he
doesn't speak polish he can't be a
shoemaker so he says but tanishwan can
he won't be a shoemaker so he says it
can't be a tailor so it won't become a
tailor he can it can't run a store he
doesn't speak
he can't he how's it going to make a
living so he says raphael said to them
with uh
he says
he can become a poor man that's the
pandas
he said have a partnership for you you
can become a poor man come and learn by
me and you'll become an older man so my
wife said to him on the spot who's going
to bring the money from america
if my husband's going to become an
armand so he saw that she's a clever
girl
so he saw my wife had that was right
after tishb there's a day after tishima
so he realized that she had a sore
throat because she wasn't talking
clearly so he said did you see a doctor
so she said he he or she has a sore
throat so she said no because there was
a shabbos that year tishbo was on
shabbos it was their shabbos and then it
was shabbos then it was tish above so
she figured into five days it will get
better by itself so he tells her dain
fast in his niche again and come faster
you shouldn't defest it you should have
eaten on tisha bubba if you're sick you
should have eaten so she says i didn't
ask you
she says i asked my husband i didn't ask
you the show what do you what do you
want
so
from that point on he stopped talking to
me he the whole conversation was with
her
he was uh
he was a colorful character i remember
he said he can't give me any fruit to
eat we'll be sitting in his home he
can't give me anything to eat because
everybody has a deen obama auras and i'm
already
so so if he's going to give me fruits uh
i can't i'm not allowed to trust him and
have russia's chromosomation so he's
going to give me
a drink of a beer beer it was a beer
company it shows me on the bottle it
says totser truczlart it's made from
oats or whatever grain they grew in
england i think so that doesn't need uh
they don't need any namanese enough
hashes from some isis so it's sarah
the next day we went to abduv cheek he
gave me grape steve
i was relying on his he assumed that
he's
that's why it says the
horse it writes the whole system up
the whole system collapsed so we revert
back to the qradin if a person is a
religious jew you trust them
yeah
amazing i learned in cambrian for two
years and my first year was the last
year of rokhaniak of
that he was at the ishiva itself but i
believe rebbe went several times and
rebbe has a relationship with kambi
avenue still out of yamaza but had a
relationship with goldberg himself what
what were some impressions with goldberg
as the talmud of the khasanesh
sure he was always interested in hearing
han hogas from rob solobachchik
so i remember
he when i would visit he said tell me
somehow this i would tell him he said
yeah daddy knows him robbie he did the
same tommy zamanujan august
he he
he had someone pay a fortune of money to
make a xerox copy of all of my notes
from the shurim he wanted to hear what
rhapsody said on the gemara
he was very strong and jewish he was he
was a fantastic darshan
yeah and he would tell all the stories
he felt guilty he said when he was
offered the position um
to be the russian and kami abner so he
consulted rabdalbala
so he said he was offered a position by
the mizrahi so rabbal said what to be uh
rabbanus so he says erger worse
so he said what's worse adayanas so he
says erga worth like what can be what
are you siva so he said yeah russian
the name is
so
so rabbi goldberg said
if they want if they want terrorism
islam we should give him terror they say
who says
just because who says you should give to
her no he's not convinced he's
not given his blessings
was more uh down to earth he was more of
a mirabias so he said that
was right at the end of his life so he
said you take the position and you come
back in a half a year and we'll discuss
it and we'll decide whether you should
continue in the half a year he passed
away the hazard passed away so he never
went back to get the approval of the
ghanaiah all of his life he felt a
little guilty
now beverly never gave his birth things
gave his blessings on the condition that
he comes back in half a year so maybe
he's doing the wrong thing he never came
back but uh everybody knows that he did
a beautiful job and he set up a
beautiful yoshi
yeah i think there were several yeshua's
necessarily that really tried hard to
recruit rebbe to come i know rav
goldwyck was
also a big admirer of rebbe and i wanted