Avodah Zorah 43

Today's isim and we are about 10 lines from the top of the Mishna said if somebody finds a kay finds a utensil and it had on it pictures or is we have to assume that the put those suras on his kali because he worships those suras and perhaps he actually worshiped this itself is you have to throw it into the so the Mishna mentioned which we translated loosely yesterday as some serpentlike creature way begins by describing the in detail what exactly is the dark literally it has fins between its vertebrae explained it even a little bit more in detail between the vertebrae in its neck even though there's no one in the that argued with but so to speak don't think that is not like because he's a no even though he's the only mentioning as having said this stating that is I was once following. What does mean? So we know there's a steer in Rashi throughout here. Rashi says God and God was referred to as a a sobbi was a term of it was used to describe an there different places in where Rashi says was shamed. It was the name of a person from where says that whereb comes on its own like is a shame where it says it can't be that is the name of a person rather it must be a toy it must be an adjective describing the person how do I know that says the name because nobody in sh had two names and if berebi would be the name of a person that means I would find a t then such as rabelazer hakrabi so his name was Allahb can't be nobody had two names either way says the gimar soak said in the neighbor of that was once following they're walking together he's walking with the god and found a ring the dark and it had on it the dark and suddenly he sees looking for a and he sees a young non-Jewish child walking but he says That's not the I'm looking for then he saw an older an adult and he told him I want you please to be even if it's on he said please be he wasn't such right so hit him in the face and then he agreed and he was so says I learned three things during that story I learned I learned that a guy who has a does not but a guy that has a even somebody else's like we spoke a little bit about yesterday and I learned the second that only an adult in other words only someone that understands what is could be but a That's why he saw the child. He didn't tell him anything. When he saw the adult, he told the adult, I want you to bear. And I've learned another thing that that a guy can be forced into being because this guy didn't want to bear smacked him in the face and then he was willing to do it. So he did it essentially and I learned from here a third that even asks from wellknown. So this is whereas meets does not hold of the following. If somebody finds an where was it? It was in a lion's den by a beer. If somebody finds something in a very large area like we know is if somebody finds an in place where it's fair to assume that the owner of the gave up hope on it is you can keep it. This is 101. So what's the cash? Why was worried about taking this tabass because of the because of he seemed to have found it in a mitsy and being that it was in a mucky it's fair to assume that the owner of the tabas this go was if he was then shouldn't that take the status away from the so this is 101 if somebody finds something in the assumption is that the owner was mish. So if the owner was then isn't it then that it's not said no you have to bifurcate between the it's true it's fair to assume that the owner was from the he doesn't think he's ever going to see it again so except from standpoint anyone can take it made the sac anyways m but the point is that from anish perspective. You're right. This is a classic case of but he was never because in his mind he thinks if a guy finds it is definitely going to have and if a Jew find it, what's he going to do? He's going to figure a way to make money off it and he knows it's expensive. He's going to sell it to a gonna bow down to it. The point is he didn't think because he lost the tabas was going anywhere. It's true. He was from his perhaps that he has in this but the is a result felt that he needed to be. How was he with this story and the gum said not with three grace that you were able to learn out from the story again. What were the three? Number one, that could be even another. Number two, that only an adult could be only a but a minor a child would be able to. And additionally, someone can force a guy into being doesn't have to come from a deep place. It could be and even if it's it would constitute just one before we start the next and that is that it's interesting that when the describes the adult so how does the describe him if he's now ordinarily when you think of cotton and godless so what's a cotton if he's not baritzvah what's a god if you baritzvah. What's the definition of bar mitzvah? When a boy turns 13 years old. When a girl turns 12 years old is Cyrus. But really the definition of godlas has nothing to do with the intellectual maturity of the child. But it's a that when somebody turns a certain age, that's when you become a god. That's not what the Gomorrah says when it described the and the as it relates to the of the description of it is much like that's and is someone that does understand but I think the obvious where says that the only time the only time and godless is defined by 12 or 13 oh by Cyrus that's by yidden but when it comes They don't have that share based on the said that the gimmel is one of the so just like there's a there's a when it comes to all there's a rel but it's from and it's for that reason says it can't be that godless and godless when it comes to is going to be defined by age because the age is a and the so what then is the definition of a godless when it comes to the definition is going to be maturity and the truth is each bench will have his own sh when he's defined as a god it depends on when exactly he himself is going to be mature we've spoken a lot about this in the past we've had a lot of follow-up rate a lot of medishes as it relates to this the fesh with our says that can't be from a so with regards to the it could be even a that's already understands that he's doing it could be already he would be treated as a god he says in a in a very difficult again either way exhale so the now is going to turn its attention really to something that it brought up it's a really there's a lot of that we're not going to be able to get into just speak out some raid. And this right here is verbatim word for word. So we're going to learn almost two block today. It's a here and it's also a inash. So really the background to this is a parro says It's right. It sounds like it's in the right. It's not in it's actually right after. So it's so do not make with me. You have to see to understand in this is actually telling me four different number one. What does that mean? You're not allowed to make the you can't make of one of my ones that are with me. Those people you cannot make as we're going to see the etc. and not allowed to make of the that's then the says what does that mean sounds like no it's coming to teach me regarding the mitzvah had on top of it they were made of gold the says make sure they're gold you can't make them the kin was very very delicate it because the krim at first glance looked like surro it's not clear what it was says thera the kuim are so sensitive that if you make it the way it's prescribed in the that's great that's what you're supposed to do that's the but if you're going to alter it even in the slightest way instead of making it from gold you're going to make it from silver then it's going to be a so what the saying is out of how does the say And then the says, what does that mean? Even if you're going to make him of gold, make sure you only make the two that I told you to make. You can't make more than two. If you're going to make four, it's also going to be like so you can make him, but only two, not four. And then finally, the ends. Don't say don't say that I'm going to make in my so my local we're going to add to the building. Now that's not something you're allowed to do. So at first glance it sounds like a Pik that's talking about but the truth is already told me about that's the the second commandment. So we know already that that that there's an earlier we know that already this is a different it's guised with words that sound like it's talking about but really what the is saying is number one you shouldn't make the additionally certain is about the you can't make them if you can't make more than two and you certainly can't make them about Either way, on that note, we learned a well-known. So the context over there is so once upon a time was what did it mean alia? If somebody saw the new moon, he had an obligation to go to Bzin, notify Bzin, and Bzin would be toen. That's the of as it relates to. The problem is the average man on the street is not an astronomer. So, does he really know if he saw the moon? Maybe he saw something that looked like the moon. It's not always so clear. So, used to help the out a little bit. So, had surro he had pictures of the moon and he would show them like a lineup. Did you see this or did you see that? And you had to pick the right one. And if you pick the right one, so then you got it right because otherwise, how you supposed to know? Had a tablet. It was hanging on his wall and there were pictures of the moon. He would show it to the ignored the we just learned. And we learn from there. You're not allowed to make pictures of the and the is one of the it's true. There's an but only is to make an exact exact replica. Now a person could sit down. He could be a brilliant super talented artist but at the end of the day could he really make a picture of the moon? The moon is so intricate it's not possible. So to make something that's actually going to be what the real thing looks like that's but you can't make the moon. So being that you can't make the moon it's so must be it's not included in the as a result it's not going to be a problem. So what then is the like the following a person is not to make bias a house. So you can't build a house that looks like or that looks like the you can't make that's going to look like your dining room table can't be you want to make a says the price of you can make it five six eight let's say you want to make it with seven obviously with right you're making it like the so You can't make even if you're making it out of metal. Meaning I would have thought that was it was gold. So maybe if you want to make it out of metals, it's going to be okay. That's not either good. You can't even make it out of wood. Not just metal, even wood. Because after the story, so when they reinstated the the so they built a new and the new that they built was made out of wood. They told him it's not true. It wasn't wood. Not that's not what the mitsus was. The mitz was made out of metal and they covered it with bats. That's tin actually says later they made money time they were poor. So then they coated it with silver when they made even more money the campaign the the funds were flowing in then already they made it out of go. But the bottom line is is that you're not allowed to make a house that's Could you make it out of wood? You can't make it out of wood. Why not? Because made it out of wood. But what's interesting what's interesting is that the holds that this is related to this is the of what does this have to do with said it's very interesting. Rashi says never think of it that way. the these are usually you think that the bar the kayan have that they wear they have kum that they use there's a location where it has to happen but in terms of the being a the may something to be mindful of when we learn kach but either way it's included in but says it has to be that this is what the is because you can't tell me this is don't make the moon. You can't make the moon anyway. How you going to make the moon? It's not possible. So it must be something that you could make. And that's what the terrorists come to say. It's not like pictures of the moon. It says in the doesn't mean that means don't make that are possible to make. But the says is that true? which is Rash's lion and by the way specifically the price says what does mean in so it means that this is more inclusive than just the etc etc it it says specifically maybe in fact it only means but it certainly means so if it means then it should be it's true there is an is of relates to but you know what it means it means it means something very very specific it's referring Rashi says to the that are mentioned in the context of the that carry the of those are so to speak that have four faces and each face is the face of another animal rashi says the the are the four animals of the of the and to make a a something that has those four faces together that's what's going to be but other than that it's not going to be if that's the case parts of so to make a parts of is going to be okay you're telling me what does it mean don't make like it's referring specifically to No, that's not true cuz there's a parts of parts of when did we have this yesterday. That was the that said is not referring to the that's why we're having this right here. But rather it's referring to this. But either way, you see clearly that parts of is something that's I heard from Yeshua once and shared I know the answer to Yasha. It says and we learn from there don't make me. So Hashem says you can't make me and you could read it also then obviously you can't make a picture of an Adam. So it's the and that's and is but as it relates to the that's not a problem. last was allowed to do what he did. Why if the says would it be user to make the of man is because man was created in the image of so being that a person was created like him it's for that reason there'd be an idea of but there's an unbelievable but sorry is that true to the And there's another and this elaborates a little bit on what the definition is. That includes not just you see it's more included should include the as well. So again why have the right to do what he did? This is referring to the sham that are they're in the seventh heaven. So those shamsh that are in the are going to be also such as the but in terms of in terms of the lav the is not in the seventh heaven. You know which heaven it's in the second one. But not in the seventh heaven. How do I know that? It's on the talks about it's actually one says there's two other the more often quoted mandar says there are seven heavens. The shim and the outlines each which one it is. By the way, the seventh the is called that's what it's called. And there's a whole half of investor right over there. Obviously the but it's actually interesting that says that we say we say it every single shabas is the name of the seventh sing to hem play music to the name of praise is to the one that rides in that's referring to the seventh that's the highest of the high with his name and again give him that's what the means so is referring to this seventh rabb says that if you go and look in that and you count the things that the garra says are in this Seventh ra there's 15 things count it you're going to get it says in this either way so the argues that maybe it's only what's in the mid maybe only that's going to be awesome but in terms of what's in the such as the that's only in the second heaven maybe over there that's going to be but the says is that true we learned in The says now the truth is that is really a different pos that is not talking about but that's to avoid desire doesn't have to do with anything. Of course, he can't worship the nobody says that says the issue with says no that can't bear because even a small worm would be why doesn't the say a small worm says a small worm. So that's already a whole different deal but says the again another. So again we started off with Reb had pictures of the moon in his attic and when people used to come to say that they saw you would say you're not of the so if you can't make of it should have been it's so the Gorra suggested that maybe the was not included in that and the Gmorra said is this way that way five different rises and we are right now is that was right but the brings one final B and here the B is clear checkmate. So it's that in the is included the if it's included the how do what he did the first terret the first of three never did it himself had other people do it and the other people are allowed to do it two words he didn't have do it had do it is not allowed to do it but had do it and being that he do it. It's for that reason it was okay. But the Kamar says is that that's so had a other people had made for him meaning sharp one. You have to do something to its damage it a little bit because you can't have a that has a a surah of something on it. It's it's going to be user. So the says there was different that that ring with the surah on the ring that Rhuda had was a 3D surah was it was protruding and because it was protruding therefore there was a problem. Meaning even though himself had not made it so he wasn't he told the guy to do it but still there was an issue. And the reason there was an issue was because included in you can't even have it. This is very important when you get to the we're not going to get to. But you see the is doesn't just mean you can't make it. You can't even have it. But with the caveat of only if it's is protruding, but if it's not protruding, it's not a problem. Why should it be a problem? meaning because if you have something that's even though you didn't make it but it looks a little bit like something that uh that people worship and as a result there's going to be an element of learn to have it allowed to use it. If there's nothing protruding then you're allowed to keep it but you can't use it. But either way, you see that there's an element of but the element of is only that was the story with case it was therefore there's no is that true is there really of meaning you can't now new you can't even have something that looks a little like anywhere around you wasn't allowed to have this surah even though he didn't make it a new idea if it's there's major issues but the garra says in there was a very famous in it was called the we'll speak out a little bit about that in a moment and there was a says there was a statue of some sorts imagine you walk into this famous and there's a over there and maybe they used to go there how come there wasn't it looks like and maybe people are doing so says shiny there was different because it a rabbi and it was a rabbi. No one has to has to be worried was a so how come in's place there was no issue of the Gmorra says the gab being that he was the ni therefore there was nothing to worry about but the bottom line is the sidetracked for two or three lines but the terret coming back to the original kasha had a sur of the on his kazer said I what happened to the isi And don't tell me doesn't include the after going through five finally found that says the first ter is had do it for him and being that he didn't do it himself he had do it on his behalf it's for that reason it was okay alternatively was of proen and being that it was of proin he used to only put it together used to only put it together when the people would come and as a result says there was no element of he did it and we've had this idea in a few places already that there's certain things that you're not allowed to do but if you're doing it to teach you're doing it in that case it's going to be okay either way to explain playing. But the bottom line is is that had these of the and the says that either the last terret of the gum is as it relates to the ter of the so take a look at rashi is that is that answering the original kasha or is that answering the gammor's kasha of so that even though he had maybe it should still be a problem but regardless a Very interesting is of the make of the of the and the doesn't just mean it means even the additionally we had an idea of means you can't even make the parts of again this is something that's very much we're not going to get into but just speak had a little bit of raid. Number one talked away was discussing that was referred to as what's the definition of this? It was a that had a picture of David and on one side of the coin on the other side of the coin. There was also a what did that look like? An older man and an older woman on one side of the coin and a young boy and a young girl on the other side of the coin. says that when the Gmorra says that there was a and a you can't say that there were really pictures of David and because he not let him make the so how is it possible that the who used these coins coins. It sounds like they minted these coins. They would have made these suras rather rather. It just said it's what it said. But in terms of the actual it said the words but the actual picture says is not possible. If you take a look at Rashi, Rashi says as follows. The yard was yesterday. So the said that if you said Rashi said what said that it didn't have a picture of rather it said the words there wasn't a picture of rather it was but by and says Rashi doesn't say the words. So the was bothered. He said why did Rashi say what said and by and didn't say that if there's an of that even by the and the it also had to have just said it. That was the inash and really to explain the said we have to first learn the says also it's also for a person to make and even if the of the is not it doesn't matter. This is a very important caveat. Don't walk away from the thinking but only if your intention is of a desire and has nothing to do with your intention being loved. But then the Ramb gives us a reason. So why then is it awesome? The wisd says the reason is it's a sip of brings in but the rabb says even though I'm bringing it in don't think it's really it's not what it is is a protection because there are fools there are silly people out there are people that do worship the sheesh and the leavana etc etc so if you're going to go start making of these things it could lead. So says the rabb it's for that reason it's going to be awesome but in terms of it being real not but at the same time it is a it is some sort of for so the rabb saying a little bit of a that even though is really not related to but the rabb says it's in my because I see it as a as a so to speak of the laws of say that the is over there is discussing the and the first one of the brings says the is the punch line. Therefore, we have to make sure we don't allow even if it's in his says within the category of what does that the rabb says that even though you didn't win you didn't do but still that's why the said this is also there's a time of this it's related they're going to have this is as well in other words which is not anor Is it related to is it not related to I was going through a truth from and says that even though at first glance it's not but read the says the is using that it's so it seems very much that it's related to but maybe not at first maybe it's not or maybe like the rabb says yeah the of it's for a guy who doesn't have the mitzvah but he has the mitzvah and some of the of the as well the ancillary is if the is to make is somewhat related to maybe would have this is as well. So the said that said doesn't say you know why because says if there was an wasn't to have the actual picture you're not let what and doesn't mean they just said the words but you couldn't actually have the surah but as it relates to this is an old this predated if it predated at that POINT THERE WAS NO MITZVAH there's no there was no if there's no didn't say there was a picture of a and a represented there was a picture of a that represented it didn't have to just say the words. They could have had the picture because what's the big deal? There's no reason that it couldn't say it. What is like held that is one of the because it's even before that's why speaks out clearly that even it had to be it had to say the words you couldn't have a picture. In other words, and this is this is which is not in its core but is it related to is it not related to like the raashi hell that has nothing to do with this that's the first second is the had mentioned the shar so there was a ban it was called it was ina and there was a statue there was Salam in front of it and they used to go down with this says why was this called says there's some that say that of that went to together with the prodigies the the young superstars andro and he took them to to so he took with them a little bit from the aim and from the offer of and he took those stones and that offer and he built a bass in the he wanted there to be aik in means it jumped it came from here and it was reestablished somewhere else says that's referring to this story with he wanted even the he wanted even the offer of of and he took it with him and he reestablished a new bases in this was the bases of but there's the rest of the story says take a look at how beloved wherever the went to go throughout history the always goes with them. I'm forwarding say that was there where was there a specific meaning went so there was a place there was a there was the where was the said it's in two places it's in the bases in the bases And then he explained don't think that it's in both places. Sometimes it's here, sometimes it's there. Continued. He said basically I'm going to get a lot of if I'm within a par's distance of one of these I don't know. I make sure to go down there cuz that's where the so so manifest says they were once sitting in the came and they heard noise they got up and they left was one sitting there he didn't leave and they and they scared But either way, either way, this is the rest of the story. The of was made from the and the of it was reinstated in and it was considered to happen in aikash. It was understood it was understood that that's where the mo of was and there's even stories with that they were sitting in the besus and the actually came there's around the brings here the which by the way also mentions they used to d there was an in front of this it's hard to fathom but this which represented the mo of in was a place was a place where there was an but I'm going to ask you a says it sounds but you should know I found that says that these weren't just they were actually the offer wasn't just offer from it was offer from the mikdash which explains the mill test This was a it was a bas of the in how were the allowed to take the of the mikdash and now use it for personal use. Isn't this 101 from the laws of apply to be they applied applied to as well and the wasab. So if the Bikto was who gave the to go ahead and now take of the Bikto and offer the Bikto and build the Bess it's beautiful it's interesting it's it's rest of the story but at the end of the DAY WHO GAVE HIM A RIGHT TO DO it I can't wait till then so it's who knows but either way based that quotes a classical says as follows. The over there describes saying that bad people are going to come and they're going to destroy the mikt. And you know what's going to happen when they destroy the Bikto says that as soon as the enter the it becomes and the laws of no longer apply. It says the reason that the were allowed to take and offer because this was already in the titan and even though if you know the history was before right it wasn't it was before mikt happened in three phases the first was called gullis yay the second was called gullis yay and the third was called galisky is the one that's mentioned the post and the maser actually brings it in. But the the gullis was when sent for the young stars in init. They were young prodigies. He knew that the Jews had always contributed so much to society to civilization and he wanted to bring these people they should be part of his which by the way that's the you appreciate a little bit when you say that's the the point that we say with that he was one of the people that went to go with it's a when came and he took the young budding stars in in Jerusalem was one of them this was the group was from those young superstars. But either way, so comes and it was before it was 11 years before. But regardless, but at that point it was already considered that it was already considered on some level. Therefore, they were allowed to take the or maybe they didn't use it until after the actual but the bottom line is that's the point. That's why you were able to have this. It was something you have. He talks about this in another place. He actually speaks about this in many troops. Just tell you one other interesting truth where he says we all know the garb says and said had I been there had I had a vote when I would have said that should be on it shouldn't be on test because happened on it didn't happen on so says so why do we do it on because it start gives such a compelling response I think was right said happened on so doesn't it make sense why we're going Why we going bust through the right do has to hold that soon as you light the fire everything that happens is the original said I should have understood why the why was considered to have happened on even though the fire is is burning on but it's all you would argue the did happen on test that was But either way, so what's wrong? Why do we go? Because once the started burning it was at that point there was already what happened later happened in it was already the happened with either way. Maybe we'll pick up with some more rain on this