Having a Table in the Sukkah - Simply Practical or a Halachic Requirement

Sometimes the sh is on the m we're learning on the duka. Sometimes the she is on the parish. Sometimes it's in the I would like to connect the shir of this morning for those that did get the titles. It's on the ma. It's actually on last week's stuff that I said last week. I needed I couldn't hold back it to speak on mil, but [clears throat] it's on. But to connect it to this week's para the medish says in this week's param says I pay back I'm going to pay back to your children this that you did to Then the med first says what the payback is in the midbar. And when comes into the where's the payback going to be this week's par we learned the Mishna and the Gmorra in last week of Gimmel the sheer suka is Zion Al Zion >> [clears throat] >> We spoke about previously the height but what's the size of the what's the size of the suk? So the Mishna says you need Zion and the Gmorra explains there's actually two explains the reason why you need a Zion is a because less than Zion Alion is a it's a it's not a supposed The tu to do is supposed to live in your suka. If the suk is too small, you find a concept when it's lower too low also it's a it's not a practical place to live. It's not enjoyable. It's it's not a it's not a suka. That's the Ram and if you have a Zion Zion, you have the size of a suka that it's livable. However, your table is in the house. So that's what we learned in the Gmorrah. The Gomorrah says the says you might go into your house, but that's a part two. That's aash. But in the you need a size Zion Alion to be able to live in a you need Zion Zion the riff learns really the suka is v which means a person is the size of an amma. You need to be able to fit in the suka. So really you don't need Z ala. [clears throat] You just need to be able to fit into the suka. Let's just say v alv. So why do you need z? Because you also need the table. In other words, what we learned in the gor there are two and in the gor says the riff. It's all one reason the words of the riff. It's it's you need the table inside [clears throat] your suk and that's why you need Zion Alan you need Zion Al Zion is because you need a you need a normal size suk the riff says you need a Zion Al Zion because you need your table because if you don't have your table you might go inside And a a person is is a is enough. A thin little call it a little uh ledge or something off this off the wall to be able to put down a is enough. So Zion al for you to fit in the suka roy most of you even if your legs are let's say under the table out of the suka that's enough that's a kasher suk the feed the riff that the reason why you need zion zion is because you need a table in your sucker as well You you need a decent size circus. You need Zion Alzheimer. Really, it's VV Alv is enough. And then you just need on one side a table of you don't need a table here and a table here. So the sharian brings two and one he brings from the m that says that yes you need to be able to sit this way and you need to be able to sit that way whatever way you want you should be able to sit and therefore z whatever way you sit you're able to have a table but that's you need to be able to sit in your without being to face only one direction as opposed to the other way you need I'll then he brings another terret the mo in the olden days they sat they leaned so ma you need a in front of you for the table you also need a tap on the side to be able to lean at least a little bit so that's why zion Alion alaponum we have over here you need a sucker Zion Al Zion and the reason for Zion Al Zion Dan also has the reason in the Gmorra I'll come upon him when the table is in the in the house the riff says That's always why you need Zion as Zion. The Ran says at least in the case where the tables inside the house, you might go inside. What's if the table is not at the end of your suka? In other words, if you have a suka that's Zion Zion and you have at the end of your suka, your suka is off your por is your porch off your dining room, off your living room. It's a very small sucker. So you have a very you have a good what you do is you have your table in the house and you're sitting on that thin little place along the table. So over there you might end up going inside. What happens if you're sitting in your suker? It's not attached at all to your house. There is no table in your suka. Is there also a mash or is the only when you're sitting in your suk and while sitting in your suk the table is in the house? Is it only over there? What's if you're sitting in a suka there is no table is a suka kasha I could hear that it should be a problem cuz just like when you're sitting in your suka and there's a dining room table in your house you might go inside if anything koskin when you're sitting in your suka and there's no table you for sure will go inside cuz it's not a you're holding your soup in your hand without a table more than when you're sitting in your suka and there's a table and in your house but at least you're somewhat uncomfortable in your suka with a table and this sha practical a pop-up circle we'll soon see maybe these other shilas not to question the cautious but other discussions that come up in a pop-up circle but this is You have a pop-up circle. You open up the zik. It's beautiful. There's no table in the pop-up circle. Do you need a table? >> In the >> What? Say >> in the >> You're eating in You're eating in the popup sucker, >> but maybe which means that you're going to leave your popup and you're going to go inside. >> Depend on what you're eating. Sometimes having a slice of pizza, you don't necessarily need a table for that. Someone's having a sandwich, you don't ne bowl of soup. >> So, so I hear you're saying it should really depend what you're eating. Like if you're eating a cookie, so you hold a cookie, you don't even put it down on a plate. Interesting. >> Any suk really has the same shine. >> Oh, of course, any a meaning to say he's sitting in a suk 100%. That's where it's comes out. any suk in the suk and there's no table in the suk and you want to eat in the suk let's even say a cookie or something are you or not now I just want to bring out one [clears throat] you're saying maybe it should depend on what you're eating it's there'll be a part two on this what happens if you do eat with so but I want to say one to answer on or you're bringing out very good maybe it should depend on what food because told us not to eat in a suka when the table's in the house. So they weren't depending what type of food if you need a table. So you need a table finished that's your answer even a cookie. So we want to know what happens if there's no table says the I think maybe even as says the if you don't have a table in your even if you don't have a table as if you're sitting and your table's in the house. So that table is going to suck you into the house. But if there's no table at all, you're But what you do need is you need that it should be possible for a table to come in. That's why we need Zion Zion. But but you don't need a table. What's very very interesting about this is because we're going to see very shortly that the [snorts] that even when you sleep, you're supposed to keep the suck the table in the sucker. We'll soon see why, but you have to keep the table in the sucker while you sleep. Then for sure when you're not sleeping, when you're actually eating, you should eat a table. We'll see more about it. I'm just bringing it up now. Not because I can't wait till we get to the but because we're saying over the of the says that if you eat in a without a table when you sleep, you need a table which table's for eating for sure for when you eat. We'll see a little bit more of so we we spoke till now very clear you need to sit in the suk and it should be a z which is you have to fit in the suk what it to eat to be able to eat decently normally with a little table what's about sleeping zion is enough of a size to sleep. Zion is when you sit in the suka barely with a for a table as class almost as it gets almost. Ran says smaller but Zion is borderline just made it to be cauter sleeping. You can't sleep over there. So, what you'll tell me is it's talking about a person that doesn't sleep in the circle. Okay, I hear you and it's you're right. It's just for eating. You're right. >> Oh, we're going to get to that speaks about him. Let's talk. So, what's with sleeping? So maybe it's talking about it's a suk that you could just eat rashi in the beginning of the second peri is meant to eat to drink and to sleep right at the beginning of the says that tlamas That's the sim of yeshiva suk. The says that when you s to be mai in the midst of sukas, you should eat in the suka. You should sleep in the suka. You should be m in the suka. How do you take walks in the suka? Pasture means to fabbr to spend time to just hang out in the suk. But that's not the essence of the suk. You want to be Makai in the mitzvah, you should also be m but to be mai in the mitzvah meaning to say is what's the you want to have a suk says rashi it's for eating for drinking and for sleeping furthermore the ra says that if your suk can only be for eating and not for sleeping says the ra it's not kosher the already says if let's say you make it in a place you live in a place that It's freezing cold and you can't sleep in the suka. It's just bitter cold. Eating you could eat there for an hour with a coat but sleeping you can't sleep there. Says over there you're okay. But over here you make the suk zion. You're not don't make the suk z make the suk bigger to be able to sleep. You need to be able to have a suk that's also a good to be able to sleep. So the Mishna and we just spoke and gammor what happened to the sleeping part. So this ra that says that you need a suk that should be able to be used for eating for drinking and for sleeping if not says the ra it's not kosher it's not so posh the already brings that it's the brings it brings this says no if you want you can have a suker just for eating and you eat in the suker even if you can't you have one suker that's uh very practical next to your house but it's not shy to sleep there. It's not safe. Then for sleeping you have to walk 20 minutes to find use a different is the minimum she for a to eat. You want to be able to sleep in the you need a bigger suk says that one should be like the ra. So the sh is late. Is it a kosher? How zeruka? Lisa dam answers. So this is a little bit what you brought up about Madar Damar says that Lisa Suka person it's not [clears throat] comfortable on the suka. It's not comfortable. He can't stretch. He can't uh spread out, can't move, says the Ramoar. He's not called mitar. And he still has to sleep there. Even though he has to be curled, he has to move his feet this way, that way, his hands, it's not called. But says the the why why is it called not I? It's not comfortable. says the of a person sometimes yes to sleep when he's curled up says a zion is kosher in other words we're asking how in the world do you sleep in a suk al the says you're tak squashed like this sitting halfway rolled up somehow you fit in which means the answer is you know why because Zion. You could talk asleep in a circub. Interesting. I wonder if a person's in the suka and his feet are sticking out. If a person's five feet so zant is really and a I don't know it's a foot two feet I mean it's it's it's really so you also have to still be somewhat curled in to a big extent but that much you could be sticking out a little bit also. So maybe he's going with the and explaining how do you curl up so much into m the terror says he could be sticking out a little bit also [snorts] as we mentioned briefly before has aaldices [snorts] that when you sleep in the suka you're supposed to keep the table in the suka. Keep the what? >> Keep the table and the suka. [clears throat] Very interesting. When you eat, you need a table and not eat with the table inside your mash. But when you're sitting, when you're sleeping, why would you need a table? There's no Shemma. Nothing to do with eating. You're sleeping. Now it's true what we said from the Ram that the suker needs to be able to function for eating, for drinking, for sleeping. But does it all have to be at the same time? You need a a suka that's a multi-purpose all in the same time. That means you're able to sleep in the suka and while you're sleeping have a table to be able to have a snack as well. also void I'm just going to repeat the question that I said earlier even by eating but eating itself says there says the that you do not need you do not need a table so then for sure by sleeping you don't need a table pass the shila. This is I saw it inside as well as also in he was avo and they bring in that mash. I don't know if he was a mamish. >> Yeah. They both say that it's a toy cipher. It's a mistake and they bring if you take a look in the when sleeping about speaking about sleeping in the suka the says and you take out the table says you take out the table now the is not a that wouldn't frag up the could say but I'll cautious that we asked before. Why you need a table? As much as we said that it's a it is brought that himself was to have the table and the while he slept and when people asked him he said yes to bean this brings was made that he heard from him to keep the table in to keep it in means to keep it in open. So what's the why would you need the table in? So first wants to say is not just that you need to be able to eat and sleep the at different times. You need to be able to do everything at the same time. But everything at the same time means while you're sleeping to have a table to be able to eat which is a but that's the explanation to do in your house you could eat and you could sleep you could cook you can eat without a table. All right you don't need a table. >> Oh very good. Very good. But once a second this that he says that in your house you should be able to eat and sleep at the same time the big families you know the the dining room turns into a bedroom sh is you close up the table so you know you sleep and then when you eat you eat you sleep you sleep so I'm just saying Alain asks your shila moatio is asking that misa when you eat you don't need a bed you asking you don't eat I'm sorry you asking you don't need a table but furthermore then when you eat that you You need a bed. So why when you sleep that you need a you need a table between [clears throat] a bed when you eat and a table when you sleep though it's you're asking that you don't need a table when you eat says one he says another reason he says the reason why you need a table is because when a person sleeping at the suk if he wakes up and he wants to have a snack he should be able to have a place where to eat. Now that's him. You're going to look at me. What do you mean? Even when you're in the suk, you don't need a table. Maybe maybe the answer is pretty simple. If a person is sleeping and he wakes up, so he's sleeping and there's no table. So he'll go inside to eat. If you in the suka and you're eating in the suka, so there's no shak. But if a person's sleeping and his bed is his suk is occupied with the bed, so when he wakes up, it's true. It's but there's a lot more ofash. is going to go inside to eat maybe. But that's to be of [clears throat] just to conclude just with to bring up the shila and with this I'm going to end the sheer suka is zion al what happens if on the ground it's not zion and then a little higher up it becomes zion and I'll explain plane. It's very common in porches, at least in Aritis. The way they make the porches is the first couple of inches is the cinder blocks and then afterwards it goes out. Meaning to say you put let's say a railing or something bars. So on the floor the porch could be smaller than Zion Z and then it gets a little higher and then it goes out. So let's call it halfway up. These are already the suk is wider zim. [cough and clears throat] You can even use that ledge as a table. Is it kosher or is it not kosher? That's a med and the pkim depending the size the height if it's strong enough. Could you look like that the floor is higher? It's it's what to talk about. But just to bring out the we spoke today about to have what happens if if only fits in higher up not on the floors of a kasha. Have a wonderful day. Wouldn't we compare?