Rabbi Eli Gersten - Mezonos Bread,Wraps, and other Unique Breads

back a few years ago. So the person should be able to be supposed to be able to speak to this. So here has been learning the and so the the says there are three types of possible kissing. So those I'm just read it through just to those listening on the uh on the video. Okay. So some sort of a tart. It's filled with different sweets or nuts or spices. Some sort of a tart. Okay. Some sort of a cake, right? You mixed it into the ingredients. There has to be you could taste it. You can detect it in there. You detect if that's enough. It's already going to be pass that the mig was that they used to the were very sweet. They put honey in their so our migab should be burning. We make a on it. So has to be there's a lot of a lot of in there. Okay. So it's cake there's a little bit of sweetness that you taste taste a little bit of honey in it that's enough honey would be according to it has to be cake in order to be a murder. Okay. He says the becomes the okay doesn't matter if it's spice not spice doesn't make it's crackers okay you make dry dry crackers okay these are called biscuit bishkisk okay and then the past is so in other words you have This it's not clear if there's even a different different as to what it is but they all to be correct none of these things to be since these things are all eaten so then then they're going to be now we could question all these three types of of things that we could right from Marshall what if I make a cracker but it's the der to be could be assumed on this cracker Right? We refer to as matzah today. Right? So what what what broker do you make a matzah? It's a cracker. It's innovation. Right. And and in fact if I make little crackers I make little matzas. In fact they sell today you can buy big matzas. You can buy little matzas. Matza crackers matzah crackers. What do you make on matzah crackers? Right. So they're indistinguishable from year round crackers. In fact the matzas that we have are really indistinguishable from crackers. So what braha do we make on on matzah? What do we make on matzah crackers? We could ask a similar question about egg matzah is that why is there a difference of braha on that? Why why is egg matzah different? Okay, we'll come back to these questions but it brings out the point that it's not so clear even though we said that these things we defined we said that's that's going to be a buros that's one of the definitions but it's not so clear because the we all know we make we make a mat. So why is that? Now it comes to pies. So we have the same question again because the over here said that if you if you make these things out of it so then there's going to be a burn that's not the later on very end of the next paragraph says that if you make a it's a pie right it's a a meat pie it's made with meat inside of it you make a meat right you make a Pizza basically, right? What do you make? Says you make pie is going to be same, right? He says that that is going to be okay. So what's the reason for that? So right, so there's something going on over here, right? Before told us you'd make a you make a maze. Now he tells us you make I might see if it's if it has meat or cheese. So the p discusses the taz of it right maybe he's talking about something but it must be because of says no no if it's depends on what if it's filled with fruit that's that's a dessert sugars fruit things you make a a tart that's not you don't sit down to eat a eat a danish that now you make a bor but if you filled it with meat or fish or or or cheese right things that you would eat as a meal Then indeed the on that is going to be and seemingly passes this way as well. You look at the at the end of the he says over here is a even if you're not is not similar to even though we just said torsos but not on not on not if it's filled with meat. Why? The shiny meant for dessert. It's not something you can Why do you eat this? This is your meal. You try to eat to fill yourself up. You want to eat it. So therefore, that's therefore is going to be right. It's like it's like any other bread and meat that I eat together. So I eat bread. I eat I the food that I'm pass right I eat bread together with meat the chicken and so what difference does it make if I bake the two together why does that make it less pass okay if I make little things snacks right so Franklakes right so that's a it's a mison with a meat inside that's eaten as a it's frank right so that would be a bird that would be Um, so if it has in the little pieces of meat, it's made either after the suda or whatever. Nowadays, they sell serve usually before the suda. You know, the waiters go around with these little derves with, you know, little thing of potato or meat or whatever. So these things are that's that's not that's not something you convey a sudan. That's the direct to eat it as a as like a snack. So then that's going to be so the definition isn't we see over here was it matzo? possible right the right to discuss the sh what do you make on on our mat times of kazal the masses were thick they weren't like our mat today they t they had thickness to it maybe they were you could be you could do uh you could the uh the matzah kakas right you made a sandwich out of it today our matzas aren't able to be kic anything you wrap anything with a mat. So we have different matzas. Okay, we don't we're not anymore. How to make the matas the the way they used to make it. So we have all the humras. We make ours dry and cracker like and thin and with holes in it and every all the because we're not anymore and what's considered. So so but this is what we this is what we do. So now now that we do this, so what do we make? you need to be needs to be if you want to be uh don't eat it from so I'll just talk about I just quoted here he quotes from based the he says he says there's a difference between matzah and the bishkish okay the these biscuits that they had these crackers um and he says it's al because the bif tells us that the rule there's a rule over here that we've been mentioning until now there's a me there's a rule what makes something of the it has to do with what's the right so I'm sure everyone here loves this right from from this this is the B of it really doesn't depart these rules that we just read over here if it's a cracker like or it's a pastry or if it's sweet these aren't the rule the rule rule is is it the way we these are guidelines ways of deciding whether if it's sweet it's too sweet it's not the suda if it's like the Danish it's not But if you had one the would be the data for instance it's a for especially a pes have nothing else to eat. So it's that these matzas were baked with the intent of being used for right that's basically it the we had when we made the matas was that we were going to be using them for um the by the therefore and they say well if it was baked for pes and the b the the says even if you have leftovers leftovers so pes you would have made a m you have leftovers for pes you also make a because those bases that were made for pes you obviously had the to use them for say this is going to be my leftovers. You know it was these were the matzas for bas. So those mats you make but if I were to bake matz the rest of the year so that would just be a cracker and then the bro would be a burger and the uh he disagrees and he says other this seems to be the meaning of the among is that we say he says he says this he says in the time of the bid they probably didn't have machine they didn't have uh you know people coming to the shas with boxes of boxes and some people sit down to every meal with with boxes it was something uh normal. You didn't bake matzas the rest of the year. You had your matas for pes. You had leftover matas after pes. Those matzas were if you did something strange, you paid your matzah during the rest of the year. That's just a cracker. that but today he says he says the last two lines of the of the he says he's talking about what it was in his day didn't have machine in his day today this is very common right we make we make about not for Passover use right boxes all year round. Thousands of people, right? You go to any you'll see people with their boxes and they want to be on them, right? So is not dependent on whether you're a cracker or a bread or it's dependent on whether it was baked for the purpose of if that's what people use then that's what people use and that's what makes and it's the same thing with the like we said beforehand with the with the with the uh with the pie if you have a pie that is d through Sudan the mish says you do make a um it's a big m it's my pizza right so some people one slice two slice Some people say even half a amount. Pizza is they pass it like like the mug of rum like mishaba. They say that that the bra pizza should be others say no pizza is a snack food. Okay, that seems to be the case. How do you how do where do you put pizza on the is it made for kasuda or is it really it's like a snack food and okay but that gets that's that's before we getting into the sh of what slice to slice this just the sh what is pizza is it made for then it's a mighty if it's not made it's just made snack so then it's going to be pos like the vish said lava does have to be fruit versus meat you can have meat that's also for a kino right and blanks these things these are so you can have cheese that way too Okay, there's one other plate just to throw out people should be aware of is that often potato conditions are not baked, they're fried. Okay, so something people should aware of that uh that's the way they make a potato kit. You bake it when you get it home at home, you'll put it back in the oven and you'll reheat it because they come frozen uh potato kishes, but most of them I believe the way you make a potato dish is it's deep fried in in oil. That's what gives it that oily outside crispy uh you know whatever. Um it's not a baked food. So it's not uh it's a later s about the donuts and the the uh that's that's boiled and that is mimick only eat because they have a sh whether it's even possible to kiss it here but well so that's a another topic but the uh so there there is good reason to make them zonos on only to make them zonos on uh potatoes because they are fried but whether you get out of the shab that yayim should only eat a tasuta that would depend on whether you consider it to be possible or whether you consider it to be a suta. So okay again lots of steak is over there. So there's what we make a lot to eat it and to make on a potato fish to make a make a burn certainly not to make a even if you're sudan. Okay. Um so now that brings us up to the last of the three categories. Right. So we talked about the first two cate the the first and the and the third category. There's the middle category the cake. What if I bake a cake then to be okay? So it's a strange thing to do. People don't do that. takes but that's sort of the nor the says I think that probably that's the way it was in the the uh Spanish where the lived bread was didn't have wasn't made sweet you didn't put sweet things in I think even today are more into the uh into the spicy foods not into the sweet foods I don't know today but it depends which they you know which country you come from but I think we're more into the into the sweet and less into spicy. Okay. So the the the honeyo was a was an Ashkanazi invention and they said we make this via suda that's our kabana. If you have a who's living now in America who eats all the Ashkanazi foods and lives you know is completely Ashkanazi. I I don't you know me that it doesn't make sense to say well I follow is talking according to what was it's not akinazi over here it's what was this bread made me suda if the still today are eating spicy foods and they're actually eating sweet foods and this is what they eat they only eat the water to him they eat a piece of honey oh this is cake so that they would never be on this so that he for him it should be if you have a but if you have a who lives in Muny I don't know and he he eats all the foods that everyone else eats and he is indistinguishable his diet from any else's diet. So when he buys the honey, it would seem that that should be a it would seem that that should be a bould be a mi. Okay. Now that brings us to the question of the >> what? It's good. >> Okay. That gets us down to shell of the of the newspapers of the uh zonas roles, right? Rolls, which I think most people if you were to give them a zonus roll and give them a regular role side by side, they wouldn't know which is which. except for the fact that it says on the package there's all these pizzas I see buy and it says ro or something like that right it tastes the same to me as any other pa that I buy um you know they there ways of using uh low bricks apple juice that is almost you know almost like water pear is already watered down and you get low apple juice low sugar you can make make it indistinguishable from from regular bread certainly it's less sweet honey that was talking about and the question is what's the kavana of the person who made this bread or the person who buys it person using it what are they using it for are they using it for they making a pa with falafel or whatever they eating it with whatever salad or bumas are they eating it the same way as normal person would eat it or are they eating it some other way are they eating it they're only eating it for dessert this is like would look at this and say oh this is too sweet I would never eat this with my chicken I would never eat this with the whatever it is you put into these things is if it's indistinguishable from bread. So that it's bread, right? That's that that's the basic rule over here. So whether it be matzah, whether it be uh whether So now matzah crackers go back. What broccol do you make on a matzah cracker? That's not made for fasuda. It might be the same ingredients as the as the cracker is as the as the matzah is, but it's made for a snack. So they'll sell you the two exact same products, but one's a cracker, one's a matzah. One's a big thing, right? That's meant to eat for a whole meal. And you can eat a whole meal with your mouth. And one's a little cracker. The cracker, well, it's in the shape of a little cracker. That you're going to make a bas on the side because that's how it's meant for. It's meant just to dip it into some two bites and that's it. And the one that's sold as the big box, you know, the the the big square that's made for and that's going to be hamosis. Even though it's the same ingredients, it doesn't make a difference. They had the cracker the rest of the year really was different ingredients. What? Because they put a little bit of salt on top or something that made a difference. It's the same ingredients. Anyway, um what about egg matzah? Okay, so now egg matzah is an interesting question. On the one hand, it's not that sweet. It doesn't taste like cake or anything like that. I mean, if we were to >> what? Compared to matzah, it's sweet. Correct. So, but it has to do with what? Why? Think about it. I mean, on the one hand, why do they make egg matzah? They make it for like a treat or something or or is it made for people who can't eat matzah, right? people who can't imag elderly what whatever it is right so on the one hand maybe it should be uh it should be a u maybe it should be and I saw this big discussion not so whether it's a different opinions he assumes that the egg mat is I saw others I others he quotes also from you also from a um Um, bigf they they all assumed that the egg but I don't know if the brick is egg matzah was the same as our egg mat. I don't know if it was made fin and cracker like could be his was uh uh something else whatever it was but um and anyway he's and it could be his you know he goes like they're going to put it's going to be but anyway they all assume it's going to be I saw others assume it's going to be that should be should be again it has to do with this question but I think the reason why people would say that it's um is because it's not the same as regular matzah one it's it's a cracker so it's cracker. So to get to we said we explain to get to on a cracker that's already you have to say well it was made for to say the same level by an egg matzah that's made really for kasuda. It's not the same it's maybe it's not the same level. It's uh you know we don't use it the same way. It's has a little bit of an off taste to it. We'll see more about this in a second but it's not people eat it because they have to eat it not because they want to eat it. It's not like the ideal tasting. Matzah is not a is not a big hot seller. Uh even the rest of the year I don't see people running to buy egg matzah. You know they they using they usually buying just regular matzah or they they get the get the oat mata if they can't eat the the gluten or something they're not egg matzah is not a not a major seller. Um though has a has a even though he says the egg mat is going to be a a bonus but he says he's talking about a person wants to eat it. He wants to use it on PES. So the person gets rid of all the from his house. He now is going to uh he wants to um he wants to have he wants to have those. So what do you use? A lot of people right they they'll save you know you know just two little rolls or whatever one roll per person whatever they make how many bites you can eat and they and they uh and then they have this amount of kala left over and then the crumbs they eat out on the porch and they shake it to the wind or whatever okay so they everyone has their happened uh just a few years ago we had I don't think it's going to happen for another 20 years or something um time to think about it but this is uh this always you know comes up again it doesn't happen so often but what happens it's always a big big tum what to do. So one of the is to use egg matzah. So that's why could you use egg matzah but on the other hand you need to eat. So he's mahadish that if you use or use this egg matzah for for you could make you could be convey and even though you only eat how much you have to eat we'll talk about in a minute but eat a very small amount maybe we'll let's call it one instead of normally the amount you need to eat to be on a on a is a large amount and for for a suda shabas shabas only requires aa a pass. Um so therefore it's enough if you eat a of that would be enough and you could then you could then bench you can make a um he has a he says that it's based on the idea that shabas is find the shabas is so the whatever but but there's a over here right I eat cake and my kdish right I make a kdish I never saw someone take a piece of cake well is of so I should make a cake on chabas is not that way. Russian knows that too. So what's he says if you eat it if you're eating since there's and your is and therefore if he takes you make him his own for because you're not to eat necessarily right brings different a person should eat pass he says a person can't He pass for whatever reason for he could eat Paris, he could eat boser, he could eat has a whole pecking order of of right what you should eat. If you can't eat, he says you can't eat, you should eat, you can't eat, you should eat. If you can't eat that, then eat whatever he has like a whole list has about what you should eat for. We know this, right? This is but it's not it's not clear that you have to eat bread. Okay? Meaning you should because you're only with bread. But because it's there are those who say you could be without bread. So it's not so only with bread. So then that not necessarily then if I'm not bread I can't say the chabas is not because bread. So there maybe you're not bread. So you end up in a sh. So therefore um you for this baby it doesn't work. Now the reason mention this is because uh there's this morai over here you can read it. He he this what he talks about he he brings in some other factors also which has to do actually with he quotes about which which actually is very also very brings by matzah by mat those are learning the sug by mat because you what makes something into matash versus matzah so maybe if you make make it out of May Paris maybe that's called matzah that's not called me that's not called um matash mat if you use from the mash so if you use kov or y or she right so those would be um those would be called mat but if you use let's say apple juice then that would be called mata okay that would be regular pass regular mata which brings up then back to the those who are going to be make with even if you agree agreed to the idea of um you know mayis that that's gets into this mag which may now make it into uh does it work um maybe not apple juice maybe only grape juice okay um and then maybe there's a little bit of water in there maybe that that makes it back into how mighty again and this m is discussing this sh of of how it works over here by the by the matash the hill is mash but that's it you're going to borrow these ideas which the m is talking. So then you have to work that out that might not even those who hold that there could be a of Paris maybe it doesn't work by all anyway the mai though he says like this he says by mash he writes it's that is okay again I think in their day matashi was not something that was made for kasuta if you want to be kuda you make bat matashi was or some other reason I don't know why people eat it but uh maybe it's easier to digest snack or something. Therefore you make him as I mentioned beforehand if you want to eat a suda how much you have to eat you want to consider the says it should be a because that's of a is a okay then you can make because it's to pass. See, so the as far since since the person is always struggled to eat bread for so for him it even though it might not be the to do this but since this person is always do so so for him it okay he brings also the like this and goes even it's more make say Okay. No, it's not enough to have only a need to have a a and himself argues. and and especially we said to do this for maybe doesn't need uh doesn't need bread at all maybe that's not considered enough enough of okay so um so anyway the if you look at bottom I just give my my cliff notes I'm glad you follow along matzah the mat crackers egg matzah the right the meat and the potato conditions the color. I don't see what >> No, I I didn't write the the main signs. Okay. Okay. We'll get there. We'll get there. I know this morning. Look at what time is here? >> 9:45. >> Oh, 9:45. Oh, I thought it was 10 o'clock. >> Oh, sorry. Okay. So, okay. Anyway, that was it. That's all I wanted to say for that for that. I want to talk though if you give me a few hints. I want to talk these are things I wanted to talk about. Wraps they put on I I didn't want to talk about they put it on the side. Okay. Um there's there's different types of components of breads. Okay. Often times a person will look at a ingredient list and it's very confusing because there's nothing there that's English. Okay. So for instance it'll say things like modified wheat starch as an ingredient, right? and or resistant wheat starch. You'll hear about and a lot of breads will say on them they have um they have zero carbs and things like that and and uh zero net carbs. That's the zero net carbs because they have this one subtracts out that one or whatever. So, and they use something called the reason why they get no carb. It's made with bread. So, people get confused. Oh, problem zero zero net carbs. So, that sounds like something that's not edible or what made out of paper. So, how can it be a bra? You know, it doesn't even fill you up. So, it's not really true. These things do have um you know, they have calories to them and they do. But what they do is they use things called modified wheat starch or resistant wheat starches and things like that in them. And what they do is first you have a wheat kernel. Let's just talk about wheat kernel for a second. It's made of different components. The main part of a wheat kernel is the starch, right? The starch is like the 80% more or whatever of the wheat. That's what it is. You have before you get to the wheat, you have bran, right? Brand is the outer coating that comes off. You have whole wheat, it has the brand. You have white flour, no brand. Well, Shil, right about um today they remove the brand from it and if you buy whole wheat, they put it back in. That brings into about things. Um but but is mitz. Okay. So in terms of pes, it's considered a mach. But it is not it is not if you eat it by itself, it's a shakle. Okay. So sometimes you have to add it back in and you have to know how much wheat flour is in there and how much other ingredients is in there. So the brand you would count that towards the shahak side of things, not it's not in sty necessarily with the with the wheat because it's separated out and then then put back in. Um the wheat starch is the main part they could do is they could separate out the wheat from the gluten. Um they they uh they'll make like a dough out of it. They'll make a mush and then they could wash out you could wash out the wheat starch from the from this dough. And if you take wheat like you took a dough made it a dough and then you put it into water you'll get out you you'll the gluten will stay together. It'll stick together in the ball and what precipitates out into the water is going to be the wheat starch and the wheat starch then they take it and they dry it. So whenever you see wheat starch by the way you know you talk. There's no way to make wheat starch without being hum because you have to do it by soaking it in water. Um the uh whenever you have gluten, it's also come obviously um you you're separating out these two things they call it if it's just the gluten by itself. They call it vital gluten. Um you can have something called wheat protein isolate. Okay, also sounds a complicated name. What they're doing is they're separating out the gluten which has gluten is the name one of the names of the protein of the wheat. It's called gluten and they're able to isolate out just the protein from the gluten. And it's a it's a more concentrated form. So if you have just vital weak gluten, it could be like 60% gluten. If you have this thing called um uh wheat protein isolate, it could be like 90% gluten. So when they add it back in, you're getting concentrated gluten. Okay, that's what it is. Um, and then they'll re when when after you separate the wheat from the gluten, you could then modify it and you could do things that will reduce the way it it digests in the it won't digest the same way as regular uh regular bread. And you'll you only get about 40% of the calories of regular bread. And then they have kashbonas because they give you a certain amount of of um bran and and uh and um fiber. And these things take the body a certain amount of effort to digest. Therefore, they say those things have like negative calories to them and these things have positive calories. They make sort of they'll say that these things have uh you know zero net carbs or whatever they whatever they'll say. But these things are actually regular bread. Okay. What they did is they re they tear apart the bread. They will uh modify the different parts different ways and then they'll reconstruct the bread for you and they'll put all types of fillers and things into them. One of the things I like to put into it is something called oat fiber. You see oat fiber. Oat fiber actually is not even part of the it's part of the of the chaff that the oats come in. So those are not even it's not even the brand. It's beyond the brand. If you imagine a kernel of wheat or kernel oat is sitting inside like a paperlike uh chaff. That's called that's what they use to make the uh the uh the old fiber. And these type of things you can have old fiber and obran. These are all shahakle in there. Um, but then you could have uh, you know, wheat starch or you could have corn starch. You ask Reubelstein if you have uh, Buzzy have a corn starch bread, but it has gluten with it. They have these things. They have other starches, potato starch, but they put wheat gluten because you can't make a bread without gluten. So, it doesn't have wheat starch in it, but it has gluten. It has potato starch. So, I have a starch and have a gluten. I make myself a bread. Y that's a m because the mice makes a bread and it has wheat in it. So how much wheat it has is very maybe it's only maybe it's only 10%. So maybe then you you'd have to eat take his asim in order to be able to bench which you won't be able. So you would never bench on such a bread but it is a bread would be I might see >> Can you give an example of such a product that >> they make there's something called a um um the flax rollups. You see these things flax rollups. Um they're it's like a it's like a wrap but they're um so they're all types of ingredients. They're flax seeds. It's got ground up flax seeds in there and it has in a gluten of course because it's makes it into a bread. There's a little bit of whole wheat flour in there and so the amount of actual wheat in this thing is something like 20%. So you'd have to eat five kaz of these things. Now each of these wraps you know you fill it up with some tuna or something you wrap it up you maybe d1 kazayas will take you four minutes whatever the sh of kaz process certainly d5 of them process is never going to happen. So you would make don't say because you're not even a you make a and then you make a at the end right that's you make right but you make at the end make at the end but the make you make um this is all in this discusses the if you have they have breads they have in them um different parts you know minor parts Um, but wraps, right? So, I don't want to disappoint anybody. So, so what broccoli do you make are wraps? Well, wraps are a uh they're made from a bilava. It's a it's a regular dough. It's rolled out very thin. It's baked. It's a it's a soft matzah is one way of thinking about it. Uh I heard there those that say someone you don't make any brah on it because it should be like the case of the uh of the jam, right? If you have a cracker to eat with the jam. So then you don't nobody wants to eat the wrap and mel this was his therefore it's the is the tuna that's what you want to eat and nobody and therefore the bra is on the tuna it because it's like say those fish or those the jam you eat and tuffle to the to now I I don't it might depend on the person I mean it might be a person who is that way but I think it's eaten for and for person's hungry that's why he eats the case of the jam is only if a person doesn't want to eat it at all he's not interested to eat he wants to eat jam just he's going to get his hands all sticky. You get be like a kazer and you put my hand into the jam and I eat it. So you you take a spoon. I don't have a spoon. You take a cracker thing the type of cracker that was not tasty and you dipped it in and you ate it like that. So that it's not eaten for not eaten for then you you know it doesn't get a but if it's if you have a bread that's eaten for so we don't find anyone says that by things that eat for we know even if I put a little bit of flour into something that if the if the if it's put in for says or right but but also for if it's put in then it becomes then the koshes becomes the you make on it that's everything else so I think I know people tell me if they think differently. I my understanding of wrap is that it's eaten for spa. People want to have a whole sandwich out of it. I don't want to just eat tuna. It's not going to fill me up. If I put a tuna into a wrap, I eat the whole thing. That's a lunch that's going to fill me up. So then I'm eating it for sphere. So then I have to make a brah on the wrap. I can't tuffle to the to the jam or to the tuna, right? So So then the brah on it is going to be a Now we have to know what the braha on the on the wrap is. So it's it's basically it's a it's a soft matzah. So now it gets back to original Shiloh. Is it made for or is it made as a snack? Okay. If it's made as a snack, so then it would be a uh it would be like the pasta type of a um if that's taco what it's made for. Again, it doesn't necessarily matter. Like we said, if it's crunchy or is it made for is it made for my understanding is that it is made for that's my understanding is it is made for that's what people do. They they have a whole meal. This is the way they sit down to a meal. Some people eat one. Then again, some people eat one slice of bread, too. Not everybody who sits down to a meal, eats uh eats five slices of bread. Some people eat one slice of bread. But it's the derek to eat with tuna and face, whatever it is, and you have it as a meal. So, u, you know, it's baked by itself. It's not the other definitions that we had to say. I bake a bread first. So, it's a mighty. Let's I put on it after, smear on it afterwards, you know, sugar and spices and whatever. I put on the slice of bread afterwards. still a m doesn't change the bra the fact that I I make it taste put honey all over the bread it's still a m only if it was baked originally that way does it become here you can say well it was baked with a kana if you eat it you know wrapped up as a tuna baked okay that's that's that's if it's baked to be eaten as a as a normal meal like we said before from the the beet pie if I baked the two together but it's baked together to be eaten as meat and meat and bread so then that's that's It's a mitzy. So what was my kan? It's not worse that if I actually baked it together as a wrap if I put the tuna in it and I baked it the would say you should make a lot of those that say no it's not a mighty because they're very very gooey or something not they're not baked enough or all types of I don't know if uh you know I've heard these stories too I've asked about it. He he had a piece of also uh he held it there might see but he said he said if you eat it alone he said that's taken to do eat it alone and therefore you said eat alone you should make a burn but uh I I don't know exactly uh hardly ever comes up because I don't think anybody ever eats them alone but I don't know what exactly the of that was where do we find such a thing of bread if they eat it alone it should be a mas eat it the normal way then it becomes a mighty So um anyway there's the uh that's that's about >> why is it a separate hawk why according to the it's all it's all part of the same as a puzzle >> but it was on the title of a separate separate why is it separate I don't know >> what >> maybe some say doesn't have to den >> some people say that some shakes let me just say a little thing you need some reason for It wasn't >> let me let me add another another point. If you have a blitzer though, so blitz is made from a bler raka. Okay, that's how you make a blitz. You you make a call crepe in English, right? You take a flour and water and egg or whatever and you make a liquid batter out of it and then you put it down in your frying pan and you fry make yourself a crepe and then now you could fill it and you could reake it and you can make a plun out of it. So there can say that that is not it's negate also to etc because it's not that's not possible that's a rally that's like the case of the talks about thin lay just an egg with some flour in it >> what >> is that just an egg with some flour wouldn't a pancake be a bigger question >> a pancake might also be a question but the the other one it is done for to make a to make a biz it's not just there to hold it together. The egg egg holds together by itself. I can make a It's made to make a It's very similar to a wrap, but it's made even thinner and it's made out of a bleak. So make a bleaka that's going to be a that's going to be a burn that's that's considered it doesn't have sap to it. But if you have something which is coming from a from a bilava which is a regular dough. So then I mean you know to say that it's too thin well then matzah I'll tell you it's too thin. I mean, well, well, is there anything to matzah? You say, well, because it flaps around a little bit. I don't know. The matzas that used to be kic the the around the uh you know, the mat of the M was that you know how was it much different than this? I don't know. It could be that there is a to there was a video going around a number of years ago as of the he said doesn't have pass to it. I I don't know what exactly they were, but if you saw the video, they like threw it in his face for like two seconds. It wasn't. And maybe he thought it was a crepe. I don't know what he thought it was. He didn't tell him what it was. It was like very done very, you know, just in his face. The guy saw this surp, you know, than any other types of bread. He held that it was a mighty, but okay. >> No one eats it alone. You said no one eats it alone. people alone. You see right away alone what was that show? It shows that it's meant for that's what it shows. Okay. >> Yeah, that's what it shows. >> Does it go together that it doesn't have to pass now be subject to? >> Yeah. >> It doesn't pass. You can tell the it's not going to be possibly kissing. It's a cracker something like that. Okay. So then it's not that's not fish but you hold his mouth like a frame like a blint. So his special >> frozen pancakes, frozen waffles are those >> that's a question they were already how how thick does it have to be to to be considered mill 3 mill? >> No, it's not 3 milliliters. Say a waffle waffle be an inch thick, right? Buy those frozen waffles like an inch thicker parts and then they get thinner and thicker. It has a sur to you hold the whole thing. >> So pass says pass. It's like a cake. So make a small cake. >> If you own waffles >> waffles and it would be a mighty. Yeah, that's not what Mug was talking about that you make it between the things. They push the Our waffles are made in waffle bakers that have big humas in it that are that shape. They're talking about two between two plates. You squeeze it thin like a like a crepe. >> That's what they're talking about. It comes out, you know, like a plate. There's nothing to it. Uh, you know, these type of but if you have it from a regular sauce, then there would be >> waffles not really waffles the same. >> It's a liquid batter. Yeah. It's liquid batter. Because it becomes thick like a cake. Has a cake like the difference. What's the difference between a cake and a wet become? >> Okay. I'm ducking.