Bechoros 21

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Now what's the cuto off of a year? It's the first it's so is the onset of the is one of the most important landmarks that we have on the Jewish calendar in the world of behemoths. It's also a very important date. In fact, depending on whether I am going to belong to this year or the previous year will depend on was I born after or before truth is it's there are other as well but to keep things simple is so with that context that discussed a this is a female goat that gave birth to triplets. All three of them were females. Okay? And each one of those triplets gave birth to a set of triplets of their own. And it all happened in the same year. Which means that if you look at it from the matriarch of this family, if you look at it from the perspective of this uh baba, she had three children of her own. And then she each one of her three children had three children of their own which means that there were 12 little babies that were born into this family and it all happened in the same year which means that they all can go into the deer the pen quote unquote in order to go ahead and do the and the price have brought this as you know an interesting uh possibility in the event that you have a that was say why are we even talking about this? So the pashad is it's a gishmaka thing that sometimes kazal like to share with us but the point is you can have a situation we're from one family literally one grandmother is going to produce her own minion of people as it relates to either way after the brought this the brought a second sheet said as in the great you should know I with my own holy eyes saw something like this happen. I saw there was a gadilla that she was from her own offspring from her own family. She was able to create her own minion as it relates to my a little bit of a discussion of the price. Why would you need in order to establish a minion three and then each one having three of their own? What you end up having is 12. So there was a little bit of math. We had to cross some te and dot some eyes in order to properly understand the price. But now the gumar is up to its second phase of analysis and that is what exactly was being in this at first glance it sounds like heard jumps up he says you should know I saw this remember the eyes of shim shabas gimmel wherever he would look people were burning and dying I saw this you should know and What? And and it could happen. Why would you think first of all it can happen? The was saying it for whatever reason he was saying it. It's interesting. It's but what exactly is being and the assumes that it has to be on some level with the and there must be some that is suggesting albeit in the subtlest of ways when he goes and he says because if all he's doing is is saying that yeah I agree with what you're saying the and I actually saw This doesn't seem to be giving us this level of information. So the gar understands that there's no question that there's going on in this price is between the and between and then the question becomes what exactly is the so as we're going to see just to set up the first part of the short today but just to set up the part one is the gamarra is going to suggest four different possibilities of what exactly the makis might be and as a general rule if you see a bryo And the garra has a shil what the bryer means. And then there's four different possibilities. What does that tell you? It means the bryce is very very som and and it is because ostensibly not even arguing. But the just assumes it can't be that he's not arguing. And as a result, we have to work backwards and create some sort of we're going to have to be as we're going to have to do something to come up with some sort of but because it's so unclear what they're arguing about. That's precisely why we have four different explanations. 1 plus 1 equals 2. 2 plus 2 equals 4. There's not multiplechoice and uh with a choice E that says all of the above. It's very very straightforward because this is so not straightforward. So really it opens itself up for interpretation and the Gar now is going to use its imagination to try to come up with what might be the between shim and the tanakama in this price. And on that note, four lines from the top of said, "What is the between says it could be could be the isi holds of lastly and does not hold." So first things first, who is the and what did he say and what relevance does it have to between the time. So uh if you're holding from yesterday's daf the gumar mentioned ziri who said that in the event that a animal miscarries it's going to take 30 days before she's going to be mabak again. So there's an in between buffer of 30 days between a miscarriage what Kazal referred to as a ten and when the next possible time for this animal to be able to become miser for this animal to become pregnant as the that's the hold of zeri doesn't hold of zeri so what shikis there's no reference over here to this whole Indian of zeri what does this even mean so if you take a look at rashi and This by the way is also in line with what we mentioned earlier. There's a very very long rashi and if you go through Rashi inside you'll see Rashi had taught him to explain the gumar. Why would Rashi have taught him to explain the gar? Because again the gumar is so cryptic. It's so unclear what zeri has to do with the is between and it's for that reason rashi says I'll tell you one shot I heard. I'll tell you another I heard. Rashi unequivocally rejects one of the so as it relates to we're left with one shot and that's the we're going to go through Rashi theus would be in the following case you had a that gave birth to triplets that's the case and that lea took place on so on which is the first day of the fiscal year Gadilla gave birth to triplets. Okay. Now, fast forward 6 months later at the last day of right. So, if you're counting 6 months from when the later took place, all three of these gi were all they all miscarried. And then afterwards they were miseres again and each one of them had triplets. Again the case is mafurish in the well we're adding in the first suggestion of the gorima literally and that is that the original gave birth to triplets on okay that was not mentioned in the original. Fast forward six months. Literally the last day of the sixth month, which would be the last day of Shvat, if you're keeping score, they all I guess they all were mitan. And then at the next possible time, they went ahead and they had children again and each person gave birth to uh triplets. Now, if you hold of the would mean that there's a 30-day period of time from the end of the 6 months, which is until the next time they would be for them to be able to become pregnant with triplets. Now if the miscarriage took place on so that would mean that the last next possible day for to uh be would be on the last day of right it's it's one month later now how long is the pregnancy of a goat a goat is a so refer back to the with the it's 5 months which would mean that the lea assuming it happened mamish perfectly would take place. So again we're holding now the last day of so we have to count five months it's Nissan tamos and of it would be on the last day of of which is perfect by the way because we were able to get it in literally we were able to get it in within that year. So what you would have over here a situation if you hold like the eerie is l is when the original three were born and then the children miscarried on the last day of they waited a month till the last day of ad and then they had a fivemon pregnancy on the last day of they were able to have a child right that's if you hold of ziri let's say you don't hold of ziri so if you don't know of siri the only thing that changes is is that these three don't have to wait a month between their miscarriage but and when they are able to get pregnant again. So the miscarriage took place on the last day of Shvat but they don't have to wait until the last day of ad which means that maybe they can get pregnant the next day or the next week or two weeks after that which means that when each one of them is going to have three uh it doesn't necessarily need to take place on the last day of a it doesn't have to be mameish in the 11th hour. IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE happened I don't know a day earlier a week earlier a few weeks early up to even a a month earlier the tanakama held of so according to the tanakama in this mitz the only way would be shaba this matriarch to have triplets each one gives birth to triplets in the event that there was this miscarriage on the last day of the of the sixth month on the last day of of again the last day of six months from would be in the event that the family was born this whole thing came together they got dominion on the very very last day of the fiscal year it would happen literally on the last day if however you don't hold of zir then it would not have to happen on the last year so again let's get this clear s if you hold say if you don't hold the zir it's possible this case could work the only navina is would it have to happen literally in the 11th hour on the very last day or was there some room here for it to have happened even a little bit earlier? Let's go back to the BRA. So said what was coming to be was the word and it's from the word that ribbon used. You have to work backwards and understand a little bit better what the Tanakama was referring to. Rabim understood from the Tanakama that the Tanakama would hold that in the event that there was a then although it would be possible to have the but it could not have happened means I don't know somewhere during the year it would have to have happened it would have had to have happened in the last day of the and he says I hold not only I hold I saw saw this case imagine I saw this happen I saw 6 months there was a and they were born why does this matter if it happened on the last day it didn't happen the last day oh there's a big there's a big that's what the is according to the it could have never happened it could only happen because they hold up whereas according to it could happen even and that's where was coming to so what's the it's the word really never said one word that would suggest that level of so this is like so subtle but at the same time understood what the tanakama was saying he was talking to them he was arguing with them and we work backwards and we understand what exactly was the rest of the story. What else was happening in this price and that is in addition to the tanakama laying out this uh fun fact so to speak where it's possible to have an entire minion that's going to be from one uh from one grandmother Gia but but at the same time if there was a it could only happen if the were born on the very very last day said that you should know I saw with my own eyes that it was bottom line is according to the first what is the it's so again with this theme the same says alternatively you say so and nothing changes so we overexpress the mitsas a little bit in the first terret of the garra because really it's going to apply now further in the gamarra so again the case was where the original triplets were born ones and then those triplets miscarried on the last day of okay everybody holds up which means that the next time that they were the next time they were able to become pregnant was on the last day of right we know it's a fivemon pregnancy so what could be the it sounds like now according to everybody when would the next three sets of triplets be born it would be on the last day of the year. It would be the on the last day of says the no says when we say pregnancy is five months doesn't mean a full five months or into the five months maybe at that point she already can give birth. So again it's the same exact tanama the tanakama holds in that case that we've been talking about. The only way it would be possible is is if those sets of triplets were born on the very last day. But it could never have happened if they were born. It would have to happen because you have to wait the full five months. So it's going to happen on the last day of however it could be. So therefore again it could be it doesn't have to be. So the dto is the same dto. We see the is from the word the case is the same case the sh is speaking what exactly are they arguing about and so far we have two approaches how you can understand it in the first they're arguing whether you need that month of buffer in between according to the tanakama you need the month so it's 6 months plus one month plus 5 months it gets you literally to the 11th hour going according to shimman you don't need that month in between so it's 6 months plus 5 months you have a whole month to play with And it's for that reason it could be it doesn't have to be according to the everybody agrees it's 6 months plus a month no sh you need that buffer the question on the last five months you need a full five months that's the according to you don't need the full five months so again the tanakama for sure has to hold of that you need a month buffer and for sure has to hold that it's they need because otherwise it's not going to be a full 12 months 6 plus 1 plus 5 is the only way you're going to get 12. So that you need for sure the month in between and you for sure need the full 5 months on the back end. Rimman is coming to say no it doesn't have to go to the 11th hour. So where's the room to negotiate? The first six months was the mitsia. So you can't negotiate that. So either you can negotiate the middle 30 days or you can negotiate the last 5 months. If you negotiate the middle 30 days you don't hold of the and if you're negotiating the last five months you hold it could be. But believe it or not there's a third way to go about this. It could be everybody holds a that you need that month of buffer and everybody holds which means you need the five months on the on the back end and the is going to be exactly what we said it is in the first two approaches of the gum and that is does it have to happen on the last day or could it happen even so kind is easy. Tanakama holds 6 months. That was the case plus the 30 days. It is what it is. We hold and say how's going to get you 6 + 1 + 5 is 12. So what's going to be says as follows. What they're arguing about is do we say mix or do we not say mix doesn't hold the mix holds mix when we say that the pregnancy of the behem has to be 5 months and it has to be a full 5 months doesn't mean that it has to be literally so if the eore took place at a certain time during the day it would have to 5 months later, literally on that day, 1 second earlier, right? That's your full five months. Once you reach the same time, you're into the six month or perhaps mix if that means you just add up the days of what five months would be. But as soon as the last day of the five months comes, at that point, at that point, you already are where you need to be, says the hold. And if that's the case, the five months has to be a perfect five months. So it's a perfect six months plus a perfect 30 days plus a perfect five months. The only way this would be possible is if literally at the very last second is one more day to play with because that last day is doesn't have to be because the day before the last day would be the last day of the five months and as soon as the sun rises that day mix you're already there. So is it the very last second? No. Now it's close to the very last second but it's not the very last second. And again that's where saying not three weeks earlier that could have been the case in the first and the second came of the but at the very least it could have been a day earlier it didn't have to be mish on the last day it could have been a full day earlier because a full day early would be the last day of the month it could be first thing in the morning and based on that that would be enough for us to say again the between the first three and the is number one theim And additionally what is arguing about in this is is that although I know you that in what I saw it it it would work but what I'm being is that it didn't have to be because I saw it happen and think that it happened. So there's some that that's coming from it. What's the either I don't hold as or the or could be you say and again just the has to hold of all three in order for the tanakama to hold that the only way this can happen is mish in the 11th hour so it has to be the full 6 months that's the case you need a full month in between which means you have to be is you need that the pregnancy should be a full 5 months that it's and you also have to hold that you don't say because otherwise it doesn't have to happen on the last day. It could happen a day before the last day said it could happen. Why would he hold it could happen? Either he can negotiate the middle 30 days lastly or he owes the whole five months is not a full five months anyways. It's your or it could be he can hold that even if the five months is a full five months but it doesn't have to be till the last day because you could leverage the of but we're not done yet we said there's four ways to learn this price if says the could be everybody holds and by the way the speak out or for the same matter you could say don't hold because as we'll see now the fourth to the gar is going to be a whole different approach over here was another very important and that is an animal that's could it enter the deer could it not enter the deas what does it mean for an animal to be an animal is only allowed to be brought as a carbon once it's 8 days old just like a child's is when the child turns 8 days old so too an animal could only be once it's 8 days old which means means that in the event that this would happen at at the last week of the year according to the that holds that is not this whole case would be dead on arrival anyways. The reason it would be dead on arrival is because if it happened before these animals, these three sets of triplets turned 8 days old, well, they're anyways not going to be included in the year because it's not enough that they were born in the year. They have to be not during the year as well, which means they have to be at the very least 8 days old. So the over here is whether or not understood from the from the that the only time this would work is if not only the was in the same year. But also that all these would be at least 8 days old during that year because otherwise is not. Whereas held that is and that was what he meant when he said and it happened when the animal was still and still they were that is that even says by the way if that's you descend the name of the that he's just like has right gets as soon as it's born even though it's but it has its full-fledged yet it's going to be you could put it into the deer for it to get its kadush and when it comes time to be. So according to the fourth is he holds we have the added benefit of this being said that this happens to be. Now how does know that he learned it from? So the gar is gonna digress a little bit. How did know to learn from Bkar? that just like a gets its kadusha so too can get its kadusha man why don't we learn it from and just like you can't be when it's maybe I shouldn't be able to create a when it's says it makes sense to compare to versus because it has four things in So what do these things mean? Number one go we know you can be played once it has a you can be played it's called there's two carbonus you can't be played you can't bear you can't be played has that in common with additionally another is what does this mean that was the inarily if you have it doesn't have it only said those are the two examples where even if it was it's going to be ordinarily if somebody does but there are two exceptions to the rule. What are the exceptions? That's right. Those two cases if you do a the animal is not going to be it's not going to have a value. And finally, the is that if somebody wants to eat or if somebody wants to eat a mum, that's something you can do. The animals that's in contrast to where if they get a mum, you can't just eat it, right? It doesn't suddenly not become anymore. If it gets a what you need to do is you have to be then you could eat it. There's no pion by and therefore it's not by definition it's going to be but these are four very unique that two have in common only so the says it's why would have said that just like gets when it's so to be which means get when it's despite the fact because let's be honest is so similar TO THIS FOR THAT ONLY THESE TWO CUP brothers have in common. So it makes a lot of sense to put them together. That would be the fifth one, right? But I can make the reverse argument. I could suggest that maybe it makes more sense to compare to because I'll show you four things that has in common with kachen that they all don't have in common with number one has to be doesn't have to be kach doesn't have to be a zer either. Additionally, you don't have to be you have to be mak you have to be mishkar is matnus kahuna my is not matnus kahuna just like is also not manuskuna now there parts of carbonus that are given to the khanim but the carbon is the bum's carbon right ma this is tricky sometimes you think what do you mean mice it's called micer doesn't that by definition mean you give it to like a or a ley right that's not necessarily the way it is but is not something you're giving to anybody and finally that what is only doesn't have to bear in doesn't have to bear says I find it hard to believe that was going to be such a big in that is what's the it can get even though it's even Ordinarily you can't be when it's because he held logically in the should be like the and if this is true for the should be true for the as well cuz I could argue maybe it's not so similar to maybe it's more similar to you'll tell me it's similar to because and therefore let's add a fifth of I could say no let's add a fifth of so says the can't be that's where was coming from. So again, what's the said is knew to compare not based on but he did it based on it says the word with regards says the word with regards to teaches me they have to be the same. If this there's no mock to ask and it's based on that hold. So the bottom line is just to make a recap on the first by far longest part of today's and that is we had what seemed like a very innocent brace on the bottom of it's possible for one grandmother to see her own family of minion of anesh and the reason this is a little bit of a kdish is because they would all have to be born in the same year But there is such a possibility. This is something that can happen. And was to what the Tanakama said and he said my holy eyes actually saw this and the understood that it can't be Rim was just uh you know sharing with us something that he punct happened to have seen. There must be some significance that Shim was coming to sheer or add or in essence argue with what the Tanakama said. And it's so not clear what this Mikas can possibly be that the Gammorra was forced to literally get super creative. Number one, come up with an number two try to be media somewhere in the words of what exactly the might be. We're going to fast forward all the way to the end of this recap. The Gamar had four possibilities of what exactly the might be. Number one, it could be the whether or not an animal that miscarries needs that 30-day buffer in order for it to be or not. Could be they're arguing whether is does it have to be a full fivemon pregnancy? That's the term or does it not have to be a full five month? Do we say mix in the pregnancy of the behaka or do we not? or a more and that is what would be the reason yeah the reason not because you can't be until the animal isn't 8 days old but then again by the you find yeah so do we compare the to the in which case it would be or do we compare it to in which case it would not be and the had the added benefit that according to the fourth terret of is whether or not is the one that holds that it is happened to have said this in the name of so it's that if you have a very cryptic and you're trying to figure out what this means and to shed light on the cryptic that's always uh going to be a good and that was the of the gar either way going back to the Mishna and the ensuing prices and really the topic of the last dudafin which had a lot to do with animals miscarrying. Now the word that was used to describe the miscarriage of an animal was tino says the what is the definition of tino. So the gmorra says uh but this is probably rav and the way we know this is probably ra because or ra is going to have about whose name is going to be. So working backwards, if the second mandar is the first mandama is probably not, right? If the second mandama was the first one would probably be but it's probably either way. So Rav said. You want to know what the definition of ten is? It's what the shepherds of Tulsa Shamock and Rashi says mean when they say so sometimes those shepherds would say take a look at Rashi. So something happened to the of the animal and the was it disintegrated. So when the shepherds will use that expression of right certain pregnancies they describe as that that's what the definition of and it has all the that we've been talking about over the last few days the doctor had a different definition he said the dhamma when an animal is mafabu boils so like boils of blood that's when you know there was a tino and the garra continues and the gmorrah says but as it relates to tino whether it's raves or whether it's you have to make sure sees it whether this was a right of all the again last but you have to show to determine whether it's real or not. So the says why you showing this to interesting right after you ask everything to your local rabbi says no not everything he has to either he knows or he doesn't know papa you're right we don't mean show it to a we mean you show fascinating what we mean is you show it to a professional you show it to a you find a shepherd who's a you find out who's the topinarian in this Indian and based on that you know what to do says the raf is said that when it comes to an issa who miscarries a child. So it takes 40 days for the child to form. What does that mean? It means if a woman miscarries before she was pregnant already for 40 days, it's not considered a miscarriage in our is the one who said this, right? I mean he had this he's not saying his own but then he he followed that up with a question. She said, "What about as it relates to behem?" Again, our sugary how long is the term of for us to know whether even if there was like an or whether it's a real miscarriage or not a real miscarriage, we know the pregnancy has to have developed to a certain degree in when it comes to an adam. So, what about as it relates to a a Oh, I'm sorry. Isn't this said right didn't already say this? Didn't he say so we should all be jumping up now and saying what I said you're right that's not what meant when he said so amazingly at this point had like a completely different understanding of what meant when said right what he meant was what it meant in today's and yesterday's d that after the animal needs 30 days before it's going to be again rapa thought what it meant was that unless there was 30-day pregnancy. If there's a tenf afterwards, it's not something that's going to be considered a tenf. Either way, let's just come up for breath for one second. Last leg of the d. So, what was the topic of the first mission of the bar? Mishna discussed if somebody is somebody bought a from does not know whether this animal that he just purchased already gave birth to a child had a didn't have a bakar. Am I practice because now if that animal gives birth to a child a if it was so this is the you have to give it to the as all the of and if it was ready then it's not going to be aar and the said it's rais and in the we saw an additional twoas so again in the mishna was two sheetas in the ba was four sheetas but the whole background was when somebody buys an animal from an all the suggest up until this point from the beginning of the bar is in that context says the garra what would be if somebody bought an animal from a and he doesn't know if it was orra would anything change or would it not change says the so we know in our in the learned really the last two days what the is with regards to someone who buys a from and he doesn't know if it or not. What would be if somebody bought the animal not from but it from a so said oh in that case it's easy there it's for sure going to be aar why isa the big girl cuz if you're going to tell me that this animal already had it he would have charged more money so if somebody goes and he buys an animal from a yid the yid is already uh becoming your accountant he's running your projections he's figuring out saying this faciciously how much money you're going to make or you're not going to make and based on that he's determining how much he should charge you. Now, he knows so he knows that the first animal you're going to have to take and give to the guy, which means that if he sells you an animal that was, you're not getting a good deal. He's building that into the price. You're going to end up uh you're going to end up paying for the fact that being that the animal was ready, so you're not going to have to give the first uh animal to a so it's all angered in THE PRICE. SO RAB SAYS HIS no such thing that you buy an animal from a yid and oh I don't know if it was bra bicra take a look at the price tag and you will know in one second because to the extent you are going to you know have an opportunity to make a few dollar there's no value play here right like like I'm buying uh bas and I'm selling it at light bra prices or vice versa right it doesn't work that way there's no arbitrage so if you bought a animal and it was bra It would be very evident in the price. That's what the tells us in his says it's you realize what's going on. It's Yeah, you could put it on the That's how certain he is. Trust me. Put it on. You have nothing to worry about. Was a doctor. He wasn't a No, I'm joking. said it's a only says I ra I know what you're saying and I know what in your mind is for sure going through uh you know the head of the the but it could be the thinks that this person is buying and if he's buying he's not going to pay more anyways it makes no difference to him whether it was big or lighter right the whole point is if this animal was picker ready he's going to charge a little bit extra money and the buyer's willing to pay more money because he knows the first animal he doesn't have to give away the first animal he's allowed to keep for himself. If however he's buying it right on the grill they all taste the same. So it's not going to make any difference. So it's for that reason says to go on the level of if he's buying it to keep and to breed I would agree with you. There's no shish says I I get it. But at the same time it's not that that was what was going on in the's head in terms of what the buyer was going to do with it. And it's for that reason I can't treat it as of course but the third he said I just the opposite I hold it my time what's the reason because if you're going to tell me that was said he's not thinking guilt what he's thinking is right he's an and what's going on in his mind is I'm going going to give this guy an animal and he's going to think that maybe it was Bikra already when really it was and he's going to think that the firstborn animal to him is not when really it is there's no way he's GOING TO DO THAT AND IF IT DIDN'T COME with a disclaimer with like a certificate there's no question in the world that you have to assume that this animal was what previously and therefore right now it's going to be we have three ram and in fact the Only one missing is but this is Ra said and said probably the reason there's no fourth opinion to have like what else he's supposed to have or if there was a fourth opinion to have we'd probably have but either way he says again a joke says says the price that supports what that it's what's the so the context over here is this is an excerpt of something that we saw a lot in and that is we know there's a we also know if somebody sells a and he already sold the mother or the daughter of that on that day he has to say right because those the was rampant and everybody's preparing mostly and it's for that reason you have to be because otherwise unbeknownst you may end up being of so this price is discussing where somebody went to the he bought something and the didn't say anything to the says the price meaning you could assume IF THE GUY DIDN'T TELL you anything then you're good to go so it's the responsibility ility of the mic to say something. Yeah, that we know. And if he doesn't say anything, you don't have to suddenly start getting nervous and you don't have to have you can go and you ask is this is something you're allowed to do says the is why is it right? Because you see that it's incumbent upon the to notify the and if he DOESN'T YOU COULD ASSUME THAT THERE'S NO ISSUES. SO JUST LIKE WHEN I buy I don't have to be worried about so if I buy I don't have to be worried about it's the same thing. So just like proverbially speaking as relates literally you don't have to worry about say is this such a says no you could be over there because over there the has a responsibility to notify you the has to say marti it's his responsibility rashi adds by the way quoting that we learned together not so long ago. It's actually a we learn it from a from a that you have an obligation to be that has an obligation to and he wasn't. So now I have an to be that it's probably fine. I have a right to assume that this yid would do what he's supposed to do. And as a result, if he wants to anything to me, I know I'm good to go. As it relates to it doesn't say anywhere in the that has a responsibility to tell anything to the now, right? But at the same time, it's not his responsibility. Whose responsibility is it's responsibility, right? Why is it responsibility? Because that's what it says in the It's your buck. It's your son. You just bought it. So, you have to go and figure it out. It's not the responsibility. Now, if he's a very guy, he would be which is what holds there's merit to that. Of course, if he's he would do it, but to tell me from that price, that's not fair because that is discussing we are based on a lim. We know it's the responsibility to notify. So there there's a he didn't notify. But as it relates to the laws of it's not the responsibility, it's responsibility. And it's for that reason this is not going to be an issue. So again our Mishna the opening Mishna the paric discussed somebody who bought a bea from he doesn't know if it is a bakar if it was bra was meaning the first boy assuming it's a boy that's going to be born now and it's in his possession will it have bkar or will it not have kushes bkar and by the way even though you bought it from a guy that's fine if you have a sh if that's and that would be an issue but the fact that you bought it from him is neither here nor there and there Ra and all the different that we saw in the but that's all as it relates to someone that buys from as it relates to somebody that buys from a year that the Tanam never discussed and as a result it took a few hundred years until this really made it into the medish till we were able to lay down the law of the land in terms of what exactly the is going to be over there and what emerges is is we have three shittas we have rav we have and we According to Rav, you buy an animal from aid and it gives birth to a according to suffic according to who does the raasin like by the way. So the rains like uh like why does he ask like because if there's a raven right let's do the math. So if it's is we asking like if it's m we passing like so when it comes to ra and it's so hard to be that we literally had a split here as we said was more and was more and that's the way it goes down but what about when gets involved so if it's we passing like and if it's I'm sorry and we pass like and if it's we pass like what if We pass like the three cases that we don't what if it's between together and so it's a ram connect that we have raid from years ago about seems to be aim spoke out of once from menalber the shuha from the castner train raid by but he had a whole pimple on this where he made this but what would be if he Ra on the one hand on the other hand. This is a little bit together because have in common that they don't hold of they don't hold of the they both don't hold of the but I don't think this is the classic example of that's and are saying the same thing that has power if saw it this way and saw it this way is a pretty good chance that's the way it is because Robin Schmull somehow very rarely see things the same way. So if they both saw it exactly the same way, it's a good chance that's the way it is and that would even be able to be either way. We digress. Going to stop here.