CHAZARAH - Bechoros Daf 10 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Here we go. We're holding that test bay right before becomes wide. Today's is all about and whether or not it's in fact there's two there's two types of aar the before you redeem the the donkey you have a a newborn donkey a male you have to redeem it with a sheep or its full value with money with something else is it also b Then Rab Shiman says no it's not a banana you can ride the donkey once you redeem the donkey redeem the donkey does it become according to shim according to of course it's always according to we're going to see that most hold that it's today's suga most of it is about after you redeem it but now we're holding before you redeem it rib shim time. What does he hold is something that when you redeem it, the the sheep, it itself, the sheep is so the the actual thing that you're redeeming is also. So therefore, the donkey is before you redeem it. the fruit of when you buy something you buy fruit from the fruit itself you have to do beer at a certain point in time when it's no longer on the trees you have to burn it but the money becomes mut so you see one is not dependent on the other says In fact, no, the money becomes check this out. We actually learned it few ago and it went something like this that when you buy fruit with meat, the meat becomes aer. But then when you buy fish and you trade the meat with the fish, then the fish becomes aer and so on. So we did it a little nicer. Goes like this. You have shmita fruit and somebody purchased the shmita fruit with meat. So the ducha of the shmita goes into the meat. But the fruit what happens to the fruit? Now the doucha is transferred to the next item. The meat becomes mut and then to the next item. You pay attention. Look what happens over here. The fruit remain aer you have a kadusha and the final thing also has a is but everything in between is mut. So here also the money or whatever you redeem the fruit with will beer. The fruit is or they argue whether or not the pet the the donkey beforehand is argument in the so take a look at the for a second. do not work the axe. Don't shear the wool of so there's one is to work the sh another is to shear the wool of your sheep the avoid is on the giz is on the sign so says they're both saying the same thing according to if there's a partnership we do this We take the P and we say [snorts] yours. But if there's a partnership, it's not yours. There's a part there's another partner. So you could work it and you could also shear the wall because it's not it's a partnership. So in fact is saying that both parts of this are saying the same exact thing which is a question. Why would the P repeat itself and say that if there's a partnership you allow to work it and if there's a partnership you allow to share it will the same a partnership basically gets rid of the of the says it says two different the first that you're allowed to work you're from your little baby before you redeem it. is not talking about a human being says from here I learn in the that I'm allowed to have from you ask me how do I know you're benefit from before you redeem it is you're allowed to shear the wool this teaches me you enjoy and benefit anything from the donkey beforehand but it tells us two says now I understand why it says was talking about a human being. We're talking about a donkey. To say the identical thing that when you have a partnership, it's not a question. According to this, he doesn't have a that's extra to teach us that you're allowed to benefit from a baby. Are you allowed to kiss a newborn child, a two week old baby before you dip? There's no there's no puzzle that says you're allowed to according to I learned in but according to where do I know this says no in fact comes to teach us according to as well that you're allowed to benefit from a human being before you redeem him the word rebu the holes that partnership with the I need a to tell me that even though the partnership but you still could use the the wool you're allowed to share it since a partnership with you don't have to do so therefore for sure you're allowed to share it wool you're allowed to work it it's not aar in a partnership there's noar it's to teach me that you benefit from a donkey before you redeemed it is means not a partnership yours yours right that extra at the end yours but if it's a partnership not partnership doesn't affect it why I need the word why I need so one of them I need to tell not a partnership. So why does it say that it should rhyme? It should look the same in the same what's the point of the extra at the end to tell me yours is a good question. All right. So here we start a we're moving. We're changing gears. We were talking about the donkey prior to the redemption to the pig and now we're talking about the donkey post redemption. Not everybody agrees with him as the that's the but it seems like the overwhelming majority of like this rib holds that the donkey is completely muted to benefit you allowed to ride him to but if you know here in America I guess what are you going to do with a donkey if you have a donkey so there's one there's a good thing you give to your And he could give rides on, you know. But what are you going to do with a donkey? Well, what what what purpose does he serve? You don't have a field, you know. It's nothing. It's just a pain. You have to feed it. And what are you going to do with it? What's worth more? Seriously, what's worth more? Ask anybody. He'll tell you what's worth more, a sheep or a donkey? >> Sheep. Today, a sheep is worth much more than a donkey. They say a donkey is worth less than $50 here in Israel. Doesn't have any value. A sheep could cost hundreds of dollars. Therefore, I don't want to redeem my donkey. I have no purpose for it. The best thing is euthanize. Yeah, that's the word. Chop. Chop. Finished. End of story. Take one of those cleavers and we're done with it. But now what happens after I chop its head off? Now what? Could I like at least feed it to my dog? says Rabino even even who holds you allow to use the donkey and ride it and give rides on it before it's dead but after it's dead that's it you're done so we learn what is it says the word by oh yeah I was in the middle of explaining this is they find a body a dead person between two cities they don't know who killed who what city so they measure in the city that's closest to the body they have to take care of it they have to bring this calf down to the the son and with the same motion the same tool they chopped the head off and the animals so just like the animals over there it's also chopped the donkey's head off how do I know this so now just going to go through a list of things that are so think about it for a second what what would you say if something's like the first three years of a tree not allow benefit at all from the fruit is that considered fruit. If you pour water on it, it's now you touch it with a rat, a dead rat. Does the fruit become the question? It's also about no, they don't have any benefit from it. You can't even give it to a guy. So maybe it's not food in a way. How it's not food? If it's not food, maybe it's not. What do you say? >> You say no, it's not. Okay. >> What? >> You say it is. Very good. You're right. If somebody or a bunch of people they they seated the right next to the grapes especially wheat is according to everybody this is and a and a bull killed a human being and the bez said that he must die we just said is this is the the bird in the process of making the somebody has saras pass comes tar part of the process is he shave off his head but also you take two birds and one bird and that bird is the one that flies away flies away here's thear and there's a few but one we'll go with that we have this in the for when it's at that point and if you take meat and cook it with milk. It's know that they can become even though they're says they are not susceptible to one out of the whole list. What's the list again? The last one on the list is something that is susceptible to since at one point of the milk's life. Where did you get this milk? You got in the store. It was kosher. It was real food and it was susceptible to tum then. So susceptible to tum today. What's the what's his reason? Why does he say that all the other things are not susceptible to? Because it says it has to be something that you eat. If you can't feed it to somebody else, it's not considered food. So why are you coming on to this whole thing that it it was able was was edible at one point. This is this is something according to who? according to the we're talking about according to he says and that's the we're going in you're allowed to benefit you allowed to sell it says by and it also says by interesting right it says a lot of times in the Torah that we should be a nation of we should grab whatever that means. So we make same but we know right we've been bigus if we couldn't benefit from a tra so when they shift an animal there's a hole in the heart you could sell it to a non-Jew lot of benefit from it so if you lot of benefit from it you lot of benefit from says you're right you're 100% right that's a great reason that that it's it's But there's two reasons here. That's what we're saying. There's two reasons. First of all, you're allowed to benefit from it. But who benefits from it? The The benefits from it. I'm going to tell you that evenly even to the Jew, not me. There's also a good reason. Forget the go. Let's see. There's no in the world. The Jewish. There's another reason. Five hours ago before you bought it, before you made it into it was good milk. It was good meat and you were able to eat it and it was food then. Oh, so it was a food then. You're it's today right now. Here comes the here comes the I'm going to prove to you that after after you chop off the head, you're not allowed to benefit from it. because if you're allowed to benefit from it. So why is it why did say there's only two one item of that that's susceptible to tum there's another item the head of a donkey after you chop it off it's also susceptible to why because you lot of benefit from it just like you benefit from you to give it to a guy you sell it to a guy listen only talks about why not says eat. Everybody say who eats donkey meat? You're asking to me it's not a normal thing to eat, right? It's not McDonald's doesn't use it. I hope there's rumors. Who knows? So, in order to make it food, it's one of these things that you have to look at it and say, I want to make this food. It's not part that it's food. It's like the bee honey. It's like the honey from from a grasshopper. It's not part. It's not automatic. If you thought about this donkey, you're right. He never thought that he's going to eat it. So he didn't think that he's going to feed it to the Then it's not susceptible to to but we have to understand if that's the case, he didn't think of it as food for the why in the world would say that it's if he didn't think about it. We have a new concept in it's called what does it mean? I don't know. That globe on top with the mus looks newer to me. I don't know. I just don't remember it. I haven't used it in a long time. It it it what we had. What? It's new from still. What does it mean? It means if the Tyra says it's saucer, the Tyra is telling you it's food. You don't have to make it food. I don't care if you don't eat it. I don't care if no one eats it in Israel. Nobody eats it in in Germany. The said it's then it's says Rashi. If the Torah says that it's that itself is enough to make it food, why the say for you it's because they're going out there in Gaza or whatever they eat it. You should know it's so you don't have to think about it, >> right? Yeah. Doesn't say wood is says this is because there are people somewhere that are eating it. There are people that eat there are people that eat grasshopper honey but but the Tyra doesn't talk about it. So therefore in that case you do but when the tyra says this is awesome that itself makes it now we're not so posit not masking to 100%. Is that a is that a concept? The famous Yeah. This this bird that died by a car, it wasn't. It's an if you pick it up, you don't become. When do you become? When it goes into the BL special on a kosher bird, if you put in the back of your mouth, then it becomes you become this. And there's 13 things that are said about it. But it says the person has to at that point it becomes so you have to think it. You have to say I'm going to give this chicken to a non-Jew then it's so if this roadkill a chicken roadkill if you say I'm going to give it to my neighbor then it turns into food. If not not but what's the question Rabbi Isai an aa of a bird is user. So we just said that if the Torah says it's user that itself makes a food you don't have to think about it and also another you don't need to do why not because we have something called that if any time eventually this thing is going to become a a large what's the um if there's a then you don't have to do we had a If there's a concept called says automatically becomes food. Why does the Jew have to think that he's going to give it to his neighbor automatically becomes food? Says because holds that is in other words holds and it goes according to we're going to try to use this answer until we get stuck. What does that mean? There are certain things that you have to think to yourself. This is food. For instance, a dead carcass of a donkey. No one eats that. Even the terrorists in Gaza, they don't eat it. It died on its own. They won't eat it. So if you want to make it food, you have to think that it's food. Same thing. So over here Rashi says very interesting you should write it down with a pencil on Y in your G because it's something that you wouldn't realize only means fat that's doesn't mean the that we always talk about that's you get malus for we're talking about fat in the animal because is not at all okay Davka in a small little town because over there they're very poor they're not city folk and they won't even use this fat for food because it's too expensive for them. They'll use it for candles. So again it's but you need to think that it's going to be for the but all these things already a dead but if a donkey because it's considered food why does the Jew have to think about making it food it goes according who says that it's not meaning there's no concept of but here we're going to get stuck same concept just now we're talking about a kosher animal not a dead donkey but a dead cow even in a in aar in a city what the oh no there no thear poor and the shook they're the wealthier people it's like the city New York City Tel a Viv versus you know some place so no so according to Rashian according to Rashi they they don't use it as food it's too either it's too much for them they have too much of it or too little of it but the point is it's not food they have to be m of it they use it for for oil for the candles they don't use it for food whatever it is sometimes they have so much meat over there what whatever the point is different places uh look at it differently and they have to be of it >> small well there's a lot of for yeah but we also we saw this a number of times that aar is different than than ear you don't need to think but you could be but something that's you do need to think you don't have to think about it I'm not going to fall for your tutus. You just told me that what it goes to. It's a little bit of a over here. Your answer doesn't work to say it goes like that doesn't hold this concept and therefore you need to think about it. But the safe is therefore the cannot be and then we're going to be stuck. Why? What does it say in the root? You have a camel who by the way has him one sim. It regurgitates its food. And has a sim, it regurgitates its food. Also all have sim. They don't need to think about that it's food. It's automatically food. comes and says holds that these animals since they have one one simmon they you don't have to think about it but a donkey the donkey you do have to ma comes out that according to after you sever its head. It's also No, I don't like this. No, no one holds. But remember this, I want you to remember because in two minutes we're going to say in one minute we're going to kind of say something different. Everybody holds. You don't say. Just because the Torah said it's doesn't mean that it's considered food. If you chop the head off, then it's not mama. Why? Because not a donkey with a chopped head is not food. because he didn't think that it's food. And just because the Torah says it's also doesn't make it food. We just said it's different. If you're gonna something in order to perform a real then there's a that's going to hold that's and this is actually if you a raven in order like this picture in order to learn how to you don't want to waste your your inexperience on a chicken so you try it out on a raven We actually had this concept in it was a fascinating concept. If you a pig the cashress without a gramma without a a knife that has beg in it then it becomes if you shoot it in the head no if you like a Jew she's a pig crazy why because there is a concept there is a thing that you're doing here for the guy it's food for the guy not for you >> only while it's convulsing that's why I said for that moment. You see the same idea here. If you properly then all of a sudden the blood is realize is repeating exactly what we just said. He says the blood is good enough as a seven one of the seven mashkim that may capture tumo says is always that just repetitive says do we consider what did I tell you to remember let's read it again last line Everybody holds no. Now all of a sudden says, "Wait a minute." He says that the blood of a raven is not good for itself. It's good for other foods. I need to say that this raven is food in order to make it But wait a minute. What's this going on here? So we have to see Rashi. Rashi says something amazing. Listen to this. That's the key word over here. When the Gmorra says, "Let's take off." It doesn't mean I'm getting rid of it completely. This concept, I'm not throwing the concept out in the garbage. I could use it. Hey, in conjunction with something else, it it's not a standalone concept. It's a concept together with something else. If I plus I have this idea that is that the said that a raven is to eat and that makes it food plus I now it's food but I need the says alone is not enough is not enough the combo. So we go back that the standalone is not good enough together with it is who said maybe a raven has some sim of a kosher bird. And how do you know that that helps him to make it food? because we saw having one sim out of two out of five of bird. Oh, why do I need to say that he's learning? What does theassic mean? He's not learning. He's not trying to perform killed it. You're right. But according to Neimos they says that what we're trying to show that even a regular is not if a person doesn't want to redeem his donkey it's not worth it for him. So what do you do? You kill it you bury it says over here we have a big big problem because over here says after you kill it after you kill it. trying to prove the whole time that according to after you kill it it's so this is a little bit of a no that according to talking about when he's alive but the problem is and when he's alive it's but it can't be we're talking about and the the is talking about when he's alive so the is talking about that he's not alive so this is this is Connor, it's fine. It's fine. We have to finish anyways. There's a sickle. An axe. and and saying go ahead and die here says so what we're holding we're saying that the is talking about that he's alive they're both talking about that he's alive so then why do you need the same thing over because one is talking about when you're just benefiting monetarily from this donkey how by renting him out selling him save but the second part is talking about when you're actually using that physical animal by shearing its wool working the animal and I need both cases the most the simplest in if I would only say the case of monetary says that's okay why because it's you're only benefiting monetarily. But if you're trying to benefit physically from the from the animal, they'll say it's also to benefit. And now we just do the same thing in reverse. That's where we said it's so have a wonderful day. Don't forget to [music and singing] merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today. mdysponsor.com [music] or sponsor at mdy.com.