CHAZARAH - Bechoros Daf 12 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Ah, what a beautiful day is doing with us, holding up that rain. It started raining slightly after Shir yesterday. It was raining slightly in the morning today. What a beautiful It rained a little bit, but what a beautiful day it is in the suka. and so many. Thank you so much. Everybody for coming. We're starting. The thing is like this. I was so excited. We got to where we need to be. We're mad. Unfortunately, looks like we might not even who knows if we even turn the page today. We will the Mishna. We're holding a Mishna. Brand new Mishna. Listen to this. I'm asking you a question right away. So you have to pay attention on top. You cannot use a calf to redeem a donkey and you cannot use a deer. Here's the question for those Aziz and all those other kids who was here last night. Not for you. Why can't you use a a calf? What's so special about a calf that you can't use a calf? Why can't you use a calf? Why can't Oh, eagle. Maybe because of the eagle. Very good. Why can't you use a a deer? So, the answer is Rashi might not say right away, but it's obvious. Of course, you can use a calf. You could use a deer. You can't use it if it doesn't have the value. That's what the Mishna is saying. We're talking about the value. The only thing you can use when it's less value is a sheep. Don't try to get away with another animal. That's what it's only a sheep and only a goat. But not a If you have a calf that's worth $10,000 and your donkeyy's worth a th000, of course you can use So here we go. Can't use a sheep and not aim. And you can't use an animal that was born from a goat and a sheep together or what's a koi or so here this picture right over here to remind father is a is a goat mother is a deer together they have a koi says who who are the parents of this a goat and a sheep so it's automatically a As we're going to see in the Gmorra, a goat is a a sheep is a they're in the family. But when it comes to, he says, "No, a koi has a little bit of a goat in it. So maybe it should be okay. It's a No, it's not okay. It's a suffic. We don't know what it is exactly. What if you give the donkey over to a you don't have the the patience to do a pigeon? So you give the donkey to a you give him straight immediately as gonna say you have to actually witness the taking care of the business of redemption. You can't just let him have it. The co has to take care of it right away and redeem it. We're concerned that he might use it. Says who's the going to according to It goes like a bag. Who's been bag? The famous bag says and everything's in the inra like he used to he used to ask him questions in in in medical stuff. He found it in the gumar. He told you according to the gar exactly how the brain works. How this work different things that maybe you and I don't see. This daff happens to have a tremendous tremendous amount of concepts and chass Amen. Amen. It says the word and it says and we know you cannot bring any of the stuff in the Mishna. You can't bring a calf. You certainly can't bring a dead carbon pes and say oh this is my carbon pes already. You can't bring klayim. All these things are no good by carbon bas so they're no good by us. We learn if you're going to learn from we know that has to be a male. You can't have a it has to be a year old. What did we learned the other day that you could even give a as as your doesn't have to be a male. It could be a female. It doesn't have to be a year old. How do I know it doesn't have to be a year old? Because it says in the Mishna cotton vigod means young and old. How do I know you don't need all these things, all these conditions when it comes to we saw the other day it says there's two when it comes to says the word twice to include more stuff. So why are you telling me that you could it comes to tell me that you could use a female and a balasm and a a 5-year-old? Maybe it also comes to include a calf and a and a dead a dead animal also says we have on the one hand is a is a boy comes to include more things. This says set to exclude. So we have to do as rash explains it makes much more sense to include these things and exclude these. So now we have a series of questions interesting questions. We had a a great sugakua. What's a benqua when you I never showed the video because I I think it was a little gory but there's real videos we have from vice was in the house right here. He shifted a cow and then when they opened up the cow they found a live baby. But the question is, the question is, can you take a benua and use it to redeem a donkey? What's the question? I leave the so we had this depends on what month this was born. Rome is more complicated. He says he says, "No, no, no. There's no freebies. You have to be so then it's a regular regular animal. So where's the question? according to the army and that's how we asking we asking that this baby doesn't need my since you don't have to this baby maybe since you don't have to it's literally like meat in your in your set in in in a bag it's it's done you have meat over here what you can't use it as a you can't use meat that's running around but a no is walking around. It's a that's considered a sheep and you you could use it and everything is great. So we have whether you could use this sheep that's a what's your reasoning because you learned from carbon pes what that you can't use for carbon pes why think about it what would be a good reason you cannot use a benua for carbon pes so rashi says something fascinating argues he says because how did you get to benqua you had to tear it out of its stomach you saw in the video there's a zipper you had to pull out. It wasn't born naturally. So any carbon, any animal that's not born naturally can't use as a carbon says doesn't make sense. Okay. But if you're going to go and learn from has to be a male has to be without any can only be too by the redemption of should have these three things. Like we said before, no there's a puzzle that tells us to include these things. You don't need a you don't need a you could have a you could use it. So maybe include also the like we said before no it seems like comes to to remove things and one of the things we're going to take away is the mahidma nidma. What's a nidma? Here's a nidma. Let me just show you real quickly. Nidma means that the the parents were the same species, but out came something interesting. You have this animal that's a nidma. It's a weird thing. Genetically, it's great, but physically looking, it doesn't look like the parents. So, if the two parents are literally two different species, one is a goat, one is a sheep, it works. So if the two parents are the same, just he looks like a goat, what's the problem said that you cannot use for redemption? But perhaps it's only over there because the two parents are not the same, but it's much less the two parents, one is a bull, one is a a cow, the same genetically the kid is perfect, just he looks a little strange, so maybe could use it as a redemption. If a cow gives birth to something that looks like a goat, which is called a nidma, can't use it. That's because it's a cow. But what? In other words, that it's considered a considered a calf. We said in the mission, you can't use a calf. But what if it's a it's a sheep that gave birth to something that looks like a like a goat? Our case seems like you could redeem. It's only because it says murish a cow. Why does it say a cow? Say if it's a a sheep that gave birth to something that looks like a goat. Seems like you could redeem money. Who does it go? It can't be the same thing again. says even not you could you could use certainly so must be according to that you cannot use but perhaps you could go like that says what you cannot use so you could use so what'sma you should know that you could use but you cannot use a cow that gave birth to something that looks like a that looks like a sheep And that's it looks like a sheep. It looks like a goat. Why? Maybe should go and and say, "How do we determine if this thing is a good red?" You look at the the actual physical animal that we're using. This physical animal looks like a goat. And a goat is great. No. How do you determine? You'd look at the mother. And this is actually a real full-fledged calf. Its mother and father are calf are are are cows and therefore this is a calf. What's considered a real and animals? So you're going to have to scratch your head over here. If a sheep gave birth to something that looks like a goat, why is that? His father is also a sheep. It's perfect. Why is that considered clim? So right away asks if the father and mother are both sheep. So how is this baby considered a kilm that's says you're right it's not it's what is similar that said just like kim you can't use so too something that's not but it's similar to you can't use if the two parents are sheep and they give birth to something that looks like a goat you cannot use it fine what are you not using over if you can't bring it on from the same puzzle. It says he can't use something that came out of two different species. So also the same puzzle tells us he can't use something that looks like another species. Sorry bull or a sheep comes to exclude oat lin it says or goat. So that comes to exclude the says mu in the same p [clears throat] Excuse me. I don't need another POS. Now, if it comes to say that you can't use a if if this thing you can't you don't have to redeem. I also have a you don't you don't do you don't do redemption on it. So, we're talking about a guy has nine animals and the 10th one looks a little strange. He has 10 sheep. The 10 the he has nine sheep. The 10th one is really a sheep but it looks like a goat. And for that it doesn't work. No, I learned from that you can't use it. Oh, must be since I went through all the stuff. It must be our I cannot usema. So it looks like a goat like it looks like a goat but it really is a sheep asar says coming for the case that we just mentioned. He has nine sheep and he wants to use this funny looking guy as a tenth as a as a minion center. And he looks a little bit like the rest of the sheep that it's no good. 15 20 people. Oh, we have an animal who was designated to be a carbon and the carbon befell. So, you can't bring it as a carbon anymore. So, you redeem it. Now, can you use it to redeem your donkey always holds that the donkey you're allowed to use it? So, we see that if you're allowed to use it, it doesn't have it doesn't have any. So, you could redeem it. The question is so what's the question? So this is very fascinating this question because the donkey my you'll never guess the question. We're talking about a interesting case of because the is one and you want to put the on the is like interesting but since the sheep that you use to redeem the donkey never has from it. You can do whatever you want with it. does does the so it doesn't really have all it's doing is removing is that it had you could do it now is in the to use two animals two different species to plow your field you can't use a and a donkey and a bull when is it that when you use one animal you're over on that is use one animal and it's like using a his oh very good very good when he's saying that when the animal is half and you work it in a field you're on is of working two animals together so listen to this theor says it right here no we learned in Is it so you're putting away Why is it so small to you? It says like a deer and like a goat. That's the we view it as a deer and a goat. And that's why if you if you plow a field, you're playing with a goat and a and a and a deer. uh ram a ram and a there's a that tells you you cannot use to do you can't use it you can't use we saw that in the in the beginning of our mission on top yeah I said a ram not a ram uh whatever you know what I'm talking about it's not a deer it's a heart yeah says Once you're saying this who says it's but over here we have a problem of and even holds he can't use for redeeming. So what's real quickly? I'm going So here's the question. Can you use that sheep that was bought with fruit? If it's a pet, meaning you were there when the mother was born, you saw she never had any other children. You know exactly that's a donkey. You know the whole thing. Of course, you can't use fruit. Says you could eat those fruit. It's you could eat them. enjoy them for your own benefit. But you cannot use it for business. You can't do business with it. What's the business? You're trying to use a donkey with fruit. Doesn't work like that. What if you don't know for sure that says benefit from the less he holds? So there's no there's no question that says you're not going to benefit from think about it. Is this considered business? You're not giving anybody anything. You're giving yourself a sheep and then you get to use your own donkey. There's no business. There's no transaction here. So maybe that's not considered business. But on the other side, on the flip side, you're benefiting from this sheep because you have a sheep that you bought with money. So you're able to use your donkey. Maybe it's considered eating. There's no therefore it's considered like business. It says you're allowed to use animal. I only want to get to the mishna and I have a very nice video I got to show you. So we got to talk about this. this particular sheep that you bought with apples that are if it's a firstborn, you don't have to redeem it, but you have to give the the different when you have to give to a I'm not going to show you the picture again of me giving it to the whole thing. Great. So the is a concept since you are going to burn the on the Torah says you could take the apples and eat them. It doesn't say anything about the apples being burnt on the mb since you're taking the apples. You're getting a sheep out of it. You're getting a yeah you bought a sheep and that sheep you want to put on the mb as aar part of it. You can't do that. You can't burn the apples. You're burning apples in the sheep. So comes out anytime you burn something it's no good. So the is going to ask a question why why do you have to give this to the considered eating if you bought not bought if you have like wheat that grew on and you didn't and you didn't take off the part the micer part that you have to give to the you die let's use the same logic since if somebody touches it a dead touches it touches it, you would have to burn the whole dough. So once it's burned, that's considered burning and not eating and it doesn't work. Says different. It says you should always take no matter in all situations even if it might come to be burnt. Same case. How do you know that if you eat dough that is made from wheat that grew on and you didn't say oh by it's not a problem even though it's going to be burnt you could still use this over here even though it's going to be burnt you should be able you should use it as a bar even though it goes onto m and is bought from fruit it goes on misb you can still use it for plus I No, when it comes to dough, you you want to eat it. Once in a while, a dead chariots touches it and you have to burn it. But the 99% of the time you're eating it, but when you have a 99 times or 100% of the time, you have to put some of it on. That's why you can't do it. What if he gives the donkey directly to the Israel had a donkey that needed to be redeemed? He was lazy. He don't want to do the whole thing. The says knocks on his door. Give me that donkey. Don't worry, I'll take care of the whole. Don't give it to him. Unless he stands there and redeems it. You have to make sure that he doesn't do any a with it. Don't We see the we're concerned that they might use the the the donkey without redeeming it. She thought that's exactly what it says. It says you have to stand there and watch him. Meaning I don't trust him. The same we're talking about that is already famous for doing I got to show you this video. But he's not people are it just happened now. Somebody took a gumra out of here with somebody's name and used it for the it's people. I'm not I'm not The number one stolen item in this farm store. This is from a guy that owns a farm store is Archel Gamarus. People steal gumaras to learn. It makes no sense. But the people come every month and steal gumaras from us. They say, "Oh, probably Ellie wants me to have it. Probably this. We have piles of garas that are for sale." They take without paying. People take food. They take things. Why? What? What are you doing? It's not yours. They're not going to love him. The It's gana. But the So, I want to show you this video real quickly. 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