CHAZARAH - Bechoros Daf 42 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning MY VOICE >> [screaming] >> WE ARE HOLDING ALL THE WAY IN THE BOTTOM very interesting today. We are discussing the mission of the two men and dragons. The two words always go together. Two men and dragons. You never find them separated. One means a two men means it's an animal that it's it's organs are all covered. You don't know if it's a male or a female. It's just a piece of skin over there. Perhaps if you surgically remove that piece of skin, you'll see exactly what it is. But right now it's covered. You don't know. And the dragon is very different. It has both. It's a male and a female at the same exact time. So the same a two men and dragons both They are not a car. Nothing. Zero. Not it's a soft. It is nothing. So therefore you could share its wool. You could take it for a ride. You could use it to plow your field. It's not a car. It has no kosher. Comes this today is so good basically. This line right over here. My man dragons. You miss something. When the mission says two men and dragons, it's not a two men. You got to take that word out. It's only referring to the dragons. Why? And dragons There's only two ways to look at this. And dragons is a breed of according to its own category. It's not a male. It's not a female. It's an androgynous. It's a third thing. What? Yeah, no. I was thinking about that also. It's okay. No, it's it's he's right. It's you got to be on my people. This is what how people talk today. It's a third category. M and M is a third category. It's a real third category, not a made-up one, a real one. M and M law it can't be a bachur. Av betumtum, the safek of the kodesh is a safek. But when it comes to tumtum, think about it. It's either 100% a male or 100% a female. This is R' Akiva's sheet, not everybody. If it's 100% a male, so it's a bachur. >> [snorts] >> If it's 100% a female, it's not a bachur, but it's a safek. So you can't say you could you can't plow a field a field with it. How you going to plow a field with it? Maybe it's 100% a zachar. If it's 100% a keva, you can plow a field with it. And but there's a 50% chance or a little less than 50% we said. What 50% chance it's a male, you can't plow a field with it. And now we're going to have a series of eight questions, and the answer is always going to be the same exact thing. You're right. It's a great question. We got to remove the word tumtum. Basically, because throughout shas, this is I'm just throwing in my own little thing here. But throughout shas, tumtum and dragus is synonymous. It goes together. Okay, so we made a little mistake. We just threw it in cuz that that's that's the way it goes. That's the way you talk. Exactly. So sometimes you you got to take one out. It's not doesn't really apply in this sugia. It's not such a big bubu. It goes together. It doesn't have to talk. Tumtum and dragus, tumtum and dragus, fast. Only in the Torah. Berech in Yarech. So we know erech means the Torah says that if somebody says, "Erech alai, your value is on me." So we take a look at the chart. Almost everybody in this room fits in the top row between 20 and 60. We have Azriel, we have a couple of others, but most of the people there are over 20 years old, between 20 and 60. We have a few others that are above 60. Okay. Yeah, but the the the majority. So, we're we're 50. We're worth 50. Now, if you say you look at a tumtum, the voice say, "Listen to a very simple question. The question is easy. The answer is even easier." Look at the tumtum and say, Eric quite alike. There's only two options here. Either the tumtum is a female and and it's worth 30, or it's a male and it's worth 50. There are no other options. According to Rav Chisda, it's 100% male or 100% female. I just don't know it's covered. So, why are you telling me you can't you can't do Arkin on it? Why why do you tell me that if you point at a tumtum, it doesn't even work? And the answer is you got to you got to erase the word tumtum. You're right. We're we're going to get rid of it. Now, stop with the What what should you bring to the base of it? If you point at a at a The The The should be 50. There's no right? But, look at Rashi, the the the last words on this page. It says, "I bear a fish or bear a fish." I don't know why he says it like that. Later on, he does say that we should go with the Khumra. Like [clears throat] seven lines from the top, he says the Khumra is a Zuker. Over here, Rashi seems to like, "Uh, you want to bring a woman and bring it as a woman." Later on, he says it in the next the next few lines. A lot of time, why does it say "has a Khumra the way tumtum and dragonus"? How come you can't do Arkin on a tumtum? Says the Gamara, "Sami me can't tumtum." Looked it up. There's only about 20 Sami me can'ts in the entire Shas. And six of them are in our daf right here on 30% of the whole Shas right here. Say they have like, "Okay, you're right. It doesn't include a a cotton. I don't know what." Sami me can't tumtum. Get rid of the tumtum. Because you could do Arkin on a tumtum. It's either a male or a female. Now, we're going to do the same question again. You have a fish. I think that you that this tumtum and a dragonus is not with the Arkin of a of a male, but it should be Arkin of a woman. I don't know why my has a Khumra even the cave of the hay of has a Khumra. The The ims etc. The way tumtum and dragonus. Okay. names Why not? What What do you need a possuk to tell us the suffix? Possukim again with the same thing to a possuk never comes to undo your suffix. And therefore it must be that it's a breya between the atzmus, something it's own entity. That's why you need a possuk to say that there's no archen. The same idea as tammim can tumtum, you're right, get rid of tumtum. Over here as she says before as we can learn I have a tumtum nerach u'lchumra nerach d'zachar. Okay. Tashma, im zachar now by shlamim. We know shlamim a carbon shlamim, I want to bring a shlamim. It could be either a male or female, there's no difference. So if it can be a male we'll do the question about pair. If it can be a male or a female, what you can bring a tumtum, why not? On a memanah shav, if it's a male it's grew great and if it's a female it's great, what's the problem? So why can you bring a tumtum as a as a shlamim? Tashma, zachar v'lo nikayva. Shlamim l'matah zachar shein tam u'l'loi. Matam u'l'loi, my what does it say zachar twice? No, sorry, I skipped. Tashma, im zachar im nikayva zachar vadai, nikayva vadai. That has to be something that you know for sure that it's a zachar. For sure it's a thing. V'lo itumtum and androginous. And not it's tumtum and androginous. Anyway, I got part of it, you see, why not a tumtum? It should be able you should be able to bring it as a carbon. Tammim can tumtum. Although I'm just thinking now aloud, I have no idea what I'm like later on we say that it is a little bit of a it's a it's a it's a chisarun that you shouldn't bring something that has uh extra piece of uh skin. Not because it's it is a zachar. 100% it's a zachar, but it doesn't has it has a sex extra skin, it's a problem. We'll see it in the base. I got to go back again, I see there's their p'shat. That the Torah is saying the Torah is what again, the same idea, why would the Torah come to exclude uh your suffix? You something you don't know. The Torah knows, okay? Tammim can tumtum, you can get rid of the word tumtum. Tashma, zachar by the oila it says you can only bring a male oila. V'lo nikayva. Shlamim l'matah zachar, we had this yesterday. Why does it say the word zachar twice? Shein tam u'l'loi mar. Matam say? Lo hayiti tumtum and androginous. >> [clears throat] >> Now once again, why do you need a possum to to get rid of a saffic? So, the Torah only talks about There is no saffic by the Torah. And may Allah, once again, we have a problem with the Tum Tum. It must be that it's a breed of the answer. Why is it said that it's a saffic? So, maybe we can't Tum Tum. According to this, you got to get rid of the word Tum Tum. Tushma. We know Malika. Here, let's see if we still have Malika. We both say Malika. Yeah, what's Malika? Like a lot of us like, what do you mean what's Malika? We we had it over and over and over and over again, but these people have just started. You take the bird only in the base of Migdal. You do this process where the thumb goes through the back of the neck of the bird. Now, the nail. If you were to do this at home, what would the animal become the bird become? Anavela. Anavela. Now, if it's Anavela only in the base of Migdal, at home you have to use a knife. You have to do shita from the other side. So, says the Torah, "Haneva, if you have a bird that somebody worshipped Avodah Zarah with it. Vamukso, or designated on the side for the Avodah Zarah. Veasnan, or a zina received a payment of a bird. Vamechir." Let me just finish this line. I'll go I'll show you what mechir is. Mechir is when you receive this bird because you traded it with a a dog. You You bought a a bird with a dog. There's only one animal in the whole Torah a dog that you can't do this with. You cannot trade If If you buy a carbon, you barter a carbon with a dog, you can't bring that carbon to the base of Migdal. It's called the mechir. The Tum Tum. Van Droid Genos. Kulan metamen begodam abes Tum Tum bird, whatever that means, cuz we said the birds don't really have zakas and nakfas, but you take a Tum Tum bird and you do Malika to it in the base hamikdash, it's an aveila because you can't do melika to it. You can't do melika to a bird that somebody worshipped avodah zarah. And the question is, why not? A tumtum is either 100% male or 100% female, and you can bring a male or a female in the base hamikdash bird. Now, if it's a briah bifnei atzma, that's its own entity, then any kind of you're right, you can't you can't do that. So, let me just show you uh mechir. All right, zagt die gemara. Rebbe Elazar omer, tumtum and dragina just argues, but the question is right over here also. The question is also on Rebbe Eliezer. Again, why can you do a melika to a tumtum, which is either 100% zachar according to Rebbe Chisda or 100% nekeiva, that'll be fine in the base hamikdash. If it's an its own entity, you're right, then I understand the tan akama. >> [clears throat and cough] >> Rebbe Elazar omer, tumtum and dragina is aim metamei gavo mevei subliya. They actually don't cause tumah. Why? So, Rebbe Elazar omer, kamah she name mazchar and nekeiva, at the matzei tumtum and dragina is ben ayin. >> [clears throat] >> Why? Why would he name it both zachar and nekeiva? Since there's no zachar and nekeiva by a bird, ain't that the matzei tumtum and dragina is ben ayin. Okay, the question is also on Rebbe Elazar, why do you need a pasuk? But, the bottom line is why not tumtum? Some may make out tumtum, let's get rid of tumtum. Erase tumtum. Tashma. Rebbe Elazar omer, chatzei treifah bakilayim veyotzei dafin. These are things if you bring to the base hamikdash treifah, obviously can't go on the mizbeach. Kilayim is an animal born from two different species, you can't put it on the mizbeach. Veyotzei dafin was born with a tzara'at, can't put it on the mizbeach. These animals don't have kedushas haguf, they don't have inherent kedusha, they don't have that strong kedusha. They have kedushas damim. They're good for their monetary value. You could sell it and and and give the money to the base of me dash. The same thing applies to the dragon horse like the lion maggot dish and They don't have a douchet and they can't make college. What does that mean? So the more it explains right away. We're talking about tomorrow. I wish more like douchet and tomorrow but the maggot dish and last week tomorrow. What does that mean? That a tumtum and a all these animals since they don't have douchet a golf so you cannot point at them and say I want this animal to be instead of my I have another I have a little baby Isla little skinny one and I see this giant beautiful tumtum animal [clears throat] or a treif out and I say I want the large one instead of the small one. That's tomorrow. It doesn't work. Why? Cuz it can't be it can't be a carbon. And what if what if you have an animal you want you want the you want to say that a large animal should be instead of the tumtum. It's not the subject or the what's the other word? The not the object or the subject. Okay, let's see inside. >> [music] >> Oh, so that's tomorrow. I don't know what tomorrow is but there was a video. I saw something. I don't know. So the question is why can't they become tomorrow in my mouth shut either it's a zocker or it's a cave. Why can't they be tomorrow? So maybe I can't tomorrow tumtum you got to get rid of the word tumtum. Same exact question but now we're introducing a problem a different problem cuz it says a number. Until now we were able to say okay, so it's a little bit of get rid of this word. But if you get rid of the word tumtum we're going to be left with a different number. You have a list of five things. We just know it's the same five things that we just said a minute ago. But if you're going to get rid of tumtum, you're going to be left with instead of five, you're going to be left with four. That's the problem. That's one, two, three, five. The same problem we had a second ago. Why can they become tomorrow? It's a tumtum. See there's an aquiver. So you say, "Okay, get rid of the word tumtum." And now you're left with four. How about arba? Says the Gamara, "Okay, that's a big problem." So if this is have to come up with something. Which is super interesting cuz it's not in the list at all. Okay, we got to get rid of tumtum, but because we have no choice, we have to introduce something. But this something adds [clears throat] a tremendous to our knowledge now. The what? There's something called the yasam. When a mother dies, if she died before the birth, so how do you get the baby out? Cesarean. So it's it's puzzle anyways. If it died if the mother died 20 minutes after childbirth, it's not a yasam. It has a It had a mother when it was born. The mother died later. But if it dies at the childbirth, you cannot bring this animal as a carbon. Okay, so this whole we have he said that it's a tumtum is a safic. We know for sure that it's either a or is a tumtum of perhaps the what? Oh, wow, we got to make a move here. Okay, so let's remember like And dry you know, you notice here something funny. He doesn't talk about tumtum. And dry you know, it's And dry you know, it's a car. A dry you know, it's is actually a car. And big defect. He also not only is a he has not was which is a big mom. >> [clears throat] >> I can hardly talk about and dragons knows and get to shower love. No, it's a beautiful it's his own entity. No good show. has offer. Since it says the word offer only a male and never like it to come to my dragons. In other words, it's a beautiful at small. So, it says over here and dragons were only talking about and dragons. So, think about it. Let's do the math. Don't worry about dragons knows and dragons knows there's no good show. Why? Because it's a beautiful at small. What about a tumtum? What does that tell you? We're not talking about a tumtum. Why? Because a tumtum is going to be different and a dragon knows oh. And a dragon knows I know it's a beautiful at small. It's his own entity. And what about a tumtum? If a tumtum was a beautiful at small, she go together. Tumtum and dragons. No. I'm only talking about and dragons. So, that means tumtum is a sofa. >> [clears throat] >> Okay. So, at least we have a sheet of here that says it's over like a freezer. But if you tell me something about a tumtum, so you say okay, get rid of the the whole tumtum and you show me you the hand of a bottom. So, then you you say two two people are saying the same exact thing that what and and dragons knows doesn't have good show. So, where's the my guys at all? And I'll have tumtum making my you have to say there's a there's a issue of tumtum here and then there's a my guys in a tumtum. What is a tumtum? Is a tumtum a beautiful at small or is a tumtum a sofa? The other guy must have a come hold and get to shower love. And dragons knows have a tumtum. That's the obvious outcome. Tumtum is fake oh because it's my fake oh. Only and dragons knows is a beautiful at small. But a tumtum is not. A tumtum is more of a sofa. And therefore, yeah, it has good show with the show man. But you do the main my but you do comes to to argue tumtum beautiful like others. Uh tumtum is his own entity and doesn't have good show. Lie. That's not a that's not a good right. Cool the arm with tumtum beautiful and the sofa. Everybody agrees. Nobody is my sofa. It is a briah. It is its own entity. But, bizarrely came with the misak. And my question is, it is is it a zachar or a keivah? What does that mean? Matan mayim b'mokom zachrus. So, let me show you. I did this to myself. I don't I didn't want to get Yossi involved in this one. But, I think it's necessary for this sugah, so I I want to show it. Just uh There's a difference between a uh human being and an animal. A zachar animal urinates by with the where the black arrow is. But, a female is closer to the tail. It's a completely different area. So, if you have a tumtum horse, so there's a trick. All you need to do is see where it goes to the bathroom. You'll see. It is a black arrow, green arrow. They know zachar or a keivah. Look l'chora, but there's there's a there's an answer to that. Matan mayim b'mokom zachrus, the kul yam alai pli e the zachar. Everybody will agree that it's uh if if it's matan mayim by the black arrow, that's an indication that it's a zachar. K'vli matan mayim b'mokom nakvus. But, if comes out of the by the tail, mar sovei r'cheishino shema nahev zachrus likevus. So, what's going on here? We have a horse that has a piece of skin covering everything. We don't know what's going on over there. Perhaps another thing is going on. Maybe it's a male and it's folded backwards towards the green arrow, towards the the the tail. And that's why when it urinates, it comes out by the tail. But, it's really a zachar. It's folded. O mar sovei r'cheishino, that's why I put this picture here just because I think it's it was hard for me to to to to to visualize it. To what's going on here? Nahev zachrus I didn't have what it was. But, okay, now. You hold the higher r'beinu Elazar ben Beheima. O mar sovei r'cheishino, why should I think that it's it's folded and this? You hold the higher r'beinu Elazar ben Beheima. Matan mayim b'mokom nakvus, kulan. That if it's matter of mine from the tail area, then it's 100% in a cave. I don't have to worry that maybe it's a Zohar, and therefore I pass it's not a Zohar. It's 100% in a cave. It's cooling mentally harsh. Who is this that doesn't care about the time in our mission of the time of the mission of all? In our mission it says that you don't check the tumtum in the base of English. Nor do you check it in your backyard. And we have to say that it's what are you talking about? >> [snorts] >> That it it's matter of mine from the knock. In other words, it comes out of the tail area. So such a tumtum should be says the mission says that the tumtum is a topic. So who could argue on that on a on our time in the mission? The choir matter of mine from the knock is a topic. So tomorrow and it didn't bother something else. Matter of mine from the knock how come it doesn't care about the matter of mine from the knock of his though? Matter of mine from the knock of his though. I will do the record speaker. Here says the matter of mine from the knock is a topic. So tomorrow the record speaker. The reason why I didn't mention that is because he holds like a common that the tumtum is better than the ice. He doesn't hold the record speaker. Okay. He was feeling like the matter of mine from the knock. At least they they are feeling like the matter of mine from the knock. So tomorrow the record speaker. Matter of mine from the knock why would the matter of mine pick the wrong team? Why would he go with a singular sheet of versus the two? You have the matter of mine from the knock of all the small. That's two. You should have went with them. Instead he went with the matter of mine from the knock which is interesting because the matter of mine from the knock is plural. That's right, but that's considered a singular sheet of because in the mission it's brought down as a as a singular sheet of. So it's two against one. The matter of mine from the knock of all the small. The matter of mine from the knock of all the small may have to be the matter of mine from the knock of all the small. other words, why would the matter of mine pick the singular sheet, the who's the sheet? Yeah, yeah, in the Gamara says so, but they they bring in the side over here that it's a boy. Cuz it doesn't make any sense if it's a boy. We just finished saying that it's a boy. Goes with the Das Yachid. Where he goes by why? Who who's the Zaria? He is like this. They don't have to be the same as the other Adam. This whole problem with a tumtum is by human being that you can't tell from my name urination if it's a Zaria or a Kiva because it all comes from the same area. Our Bahima after I saw the Gamara, I realized that I saw this with my own eyes. I mean, I didn't realize that it was in the safari. You see it. You you see all the time. You go to the zoo, you see how tall it might be. You but sometimes it comes out of the tail. Sometimes I didn't realize that it's actually two Zaria and a Kiva. So, but by animals, it's 2 ft away from each other. It's two different areas of the body. I mean, you can see right away this is a Zaria. This is a Kiva. Our Bahima might be Zaria Zaria. But the market might be a Kiva. So, we made a lot. So, if it's like a Zaria, then from the Zaria's, then it's a Zaria. Just what what's the problem? This is where actually sticks in. The problem is that it has a flap of skin there that doesn't belong there. So, that you can't bring this to the market. It's it's so normal. You have a Zaria that's You have an animal that's a tumtum. My name is like a Zaria. What does that indicate to you? Zaria. >> [clears throat] >> So, could you shut it in your backyard? It's a car. Could you shut it in your backyard? Absolutely not. It's a Zaria. 100% a Zaria. Oh, 100% Zaria. So, bring it to the market. That you can't do because it has a piece of skin that doesn't belong there. Now, the boy says Rashi is talking about something else. He's talking about an animal that's my name from this. It comes out of the the tail. And that everybody's going to agree that that's considered an a cavea. What do you mean? Why can't Why How do you know for sure that's in a cavea? Maybe the zachrus is folded backwards towards the tail and that's why it comes out over there. Who That's a That's a weird thing to say. It's very strange, very rare. Let's call it a rare situation. Who Who cares about rareness? That's the rare Very good. That's the Gomorrah is going to say that. What he's saying is the Gomorrah is kashya. You're already in the partial of of weirdness, of rareness. It is a rare animal that has something funny going on. So maybe the funny is even funnier. It's like the whole the whole system over there is messed up. Exactly. That's the Gomorrah's kashya. That's called hoyel. What you're saying in Gomorrah language is hoyel vishani ishtani. Since it's different, it's already different in all areas. So the Gomorrah don't care about the miyut. When it comes to a yavam a katan, we don't Maybe it's going to be a saris. Maybe maybe. It's one one in a thousand. We don't care about that. But over here, there's there's reason to believe that this is not an a cavea zachrus because the whole thing is messed up. This is a machlokes whether or not Reish Lakish and Rabbi Yehuda says, "Oh, you don't say ishtani." No, one thing I see with my eyes that is different, but not in the other thing. Let me say that to know you. Perhaps this is a machlokes of tanoyim. Whether we say once you see one thing wrong, maybe this other thing is wrong. This is super interesting. You have a tumtum. I don't know zachrus and a cavea. I don't know anything. And he gets engaged. Mazel tov. He gets engaged. What happens? What What do you do? On the one hand, he's a zachrus and got engaged to a female. It's great. He might be a female. You got to make What do you do? So, this is like this. Kidushin Kidushin First, we're talking about the first case. Tumtum she Kidushin. He did Kidushin. Kidushin Kidushin. You got to be Kidushin. You got to get a get here. This guy does if he's acting as the female, Kidushin Kidusha. So, in other words, he cannot marry the sister of this person. V'choiletz v'choiletz um nishtai. He could perform chalitza. He acts as a male and he performs the chalitza. He cannot do it. It doesn't mention yibbum over here. Why can't he do yibbum? Because as the Gemara says, "So and so that maybe he doesn't He can't have children. He's a saris." And if he can't have children, he can't do yibbum. V'choiletz um nishtai. That's the whole idea of that once something is wrong, maybe he's also a saris. V'choiletz um nishtai. And if he's married and he dies without children, the brothers have to perform chalitza on his wife. Cuz maybe he's a zachar. Maybe it was a good marriage. Um yavam nishtai. This is interesting. You You perform a yibbum on on the wife. Why? M'mar d'shach. If he's a male and he didn't have children and he married a woman and he dies, so his wife has to do yibbum. And if he's a female and he married a woman, so it's nothing. It's not a There's no There's no marriage. So, So, if she's masculine to marry him, why not? B'tanu yidoch, eishes tumtum I'm telling you this is interesting stuff. B'tanu yidoch, eishes tumtum choiletzes v'lo im yavam eishta. Says somewhere else that the wife of a tumtum does chalitza and there's no yibbum. Why? Cuz maybe he's a saris. And so what if he's a saris? He can't do yibbum if it's not for the mitzvah of lo yibam eishta. Says the Gemara, "S'var R' Akiva There's a There's a machlokes here. The what? D'amar saris sh'lo yibam eishta um yavam. If a person is born as a saris, so he can't do yibbum. And why? Cuz R' Akiva holds he'll never He'll never recuperate from this. V'lo im yavam eishta >> Why should I say it's a source? Once the whole system is messed up over there, there's there's extra skin, maybe it's also source. I don't say that. Why should I say it? Why do you do I mean shani shani? Loy. The once something is wrong How did I be say that? I don't remember. Yes. The whole in the parsha he said. Once you're in the parsha But there's a whether or not a can get married or not because maybe maybe he'll maybe he'll uh um heal. Who's the according to the giver? That even though there's a you have to perform a Why do you have to perform a khalitza? If it's a 100% a source, there's no khalitza. If you you have a you perform a find that he's 100% a source, no khalitza. Why no khalitza? Why is it a source? He should do khalitza. No, because he's a source. He's like a source. Let's try to get to the peric. Because you don't know loy ya because there's a maybe he multi source khama. First of all, we have to understand what's going on here. What do you mean you'll you'll rip it open you'll do surgery and you'll find that he's a male and a source male. Maybe he's a female. First of all, it's in a cave and in the cave it doesn't perform khalitza at all. Even even on the side that it's a male, maybe he multi source khama. There's another source. He's like a Maybe not. What's the difference whether or not we know for fact that he's he can't perform chalitza or is it safek? What? >> I said the most say not to do it. >> Yeah, either way. So, if this guy ran ahead and he did chalitza when he had brothers, so if he's a nothing, he's a 100% not a not a not in the parsha of chalitza, then the brother should do chalitza. >> [clears throat] >> Or even yibbum, they could do yibbum. But if he's in the parsha of chalitza bisafek, and the brothers can't perform yibbum, maybe it was a good chalitza. Unless he's the only one around, there is there are no brothers. So, do we even go over and say, "Hey, do chalitza." No, he's not in the parsha of chalitza, you don't have to do it. But if he's in the parsha, he should do it. Have a good have a good Shabbos. >> Merit this class of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shear today at mdy.sponsor.com or sponsor [music] at mdy.daf.com.