CHAZARAH - Bechoros Daf 47 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning boys and girls. Who is this guy who is supposed to have a son or daughter? Eat my How do you like big guy you still have a guy? A person had sons and these are all the same idea like these questions are are more than you have to think if you thought about them yourself. You would not necessarily come up with the answer. How do you like big guy you still have a guy? A person had kids when he's a guy. When he's a guy. So think about it. These are the questions I'm going to ask you right now. Think. He had kids when he was a guy. He became a guy. Was he the first one to have a son did he bring people into this world and and and fill up the world with human beings? He did he or didn't he? He was a guy when he did it. And the question really is when a person becomes a Jew it's like he restarts his everything starts it's a new clock from that that point on. So do we consider the old clock? Question number one. Question number two which is the same exact question. What about the car when he has a newborn from his new Jewish wife does he have to do a pigeon and a bear? Or no listen he has a 20 year old boy kid. He already he already has a a racist sign. These are all the valid questions. Think about them. If we learn them we fly through it maybe it's got to think about it. It's my way of making use of this guy. He had a kid when he was not a non-Jew. The is not a car. He already had a car. And the guy is going to explain. Of course the guy is talking all shots arguing arguing his brother-in-law. Slash tell me that came forward. Yes he had a car. No the second one is a car. The guy is going to have a car. We said in the past that the car is dependent on when the father is so destroyed when the son dies. He's not that destroyed when his wife miscarries. It's a it's a it's a problem, yeah? It's not as big of a problem as a kid that he that he got to know. And over here, this kid going not going, he's going to he's going to go crazy when he if he dies. So, that's his bechor. So, the male who's taking one doesn't get anything. Yes, the bechor of the nachalah, he does he does he the second one does get double portion. Why? This guy doesn't know the dummy. Oh, for all the time I exactly the same as and what happens when we have the exactly the same as the obvious classic question is, why do you need arguments in two in two different places? And the classic answer is, each place has a special pro and con that I wouldn't know from the other one. If a person had children when he was a non-Jew, period of the first mitzvah of the Torah is mikayem. Why was it mikayem? Let's talk about it. Let's talk about a fact. The fact is, he brought more people into this world. That's what Hashem wants. He wasn't. Anyway, I need both cases. I need the the case of a bechor, the case of peruv, whether or not what he had beforehand does it count. The bechor, if I only spoke about a bechor, When the father like he just mentioned, when a father becomes a ger, his sons don't inherit him anymore. His sons from before he became a ger do not inherit him. But, when it comes to peruv, At the end of the day, he brought people in this world. What did he do? He did. He was mikayem. The bechor, if I only talked about peruv, that's what says cuz at the end of the day, what he did before he was a ger counts. He brought people in this world. You see, it seems like look, the guy's a so he's not even kind of but he brought people into the world. They also have a task in everything. It says it's it's Reb Shlomo's creation. But when it comes to but when it comes to to that we don't consider him anything, it goes through it goes in both cases. Now, so what do we learn in our mission that we just finished yesterday? We still bought him. A person doesn't have children, never had children. So think about it, he never had children and then he marries a woman that had children. So that woman had children, her firstborn for him, it's his firstborn. But for her it's not. She really had children. So it's not a better for her. So maybe the boy that's born does not have a better than but it is his father's first so he had he gets double Russia. Or the ship for another case. He married her. Well, no, she was a ship for and she gave birth when she was a ship. In other words, she had a child before she became Jewish. Then she then she became free and she had a second child. So this is also something we discussed yesterday. Another fascinating thing. Where a woman physically had a child but she wasn't Jewish and then she became Jewish, do we say oh, her womb was open? It wasn't. She's a new person. Her womb was never in in this in her her current Jewish new body, she's she never had a better than That's like a lily. There's start fresh everything. Do we say such a thing? And then she gave birth for a second time. Her blood is a blood for the father. It's the firstborn of the father but and not because she really gave birth. Now the says let's let's talk about this for a second. Who's the original? You if you're talking about if you're talking about that this guy is whenever had children after the this girl na'amein. If her second husband is a yisrael, so who cares? Who cares who the what she was before or what she was after. That has nothing to do with anything. Even if she married a Jewish girl from birth from from birth. FFB but she had a child before. It's the same halacha. The but he's a a brand new father. He never had children before. So for him, this kid gets the double yerusha. But this kid doesn't have a pidyon haben because his wife already had a child. So why are we talking about and shifchas and all that? A la'an we're talking about like I explained in the mishna or somebody argued with me here. He's not here today, so I'm not going to pick on him. There was a la'an geresh bottom of this guy. No, he might have been right at the end of the sugi, but that's how he explained. We're talking about they were married as They We had a couple here. The couple had children and then decided the couple together to become converts. And then they had another child. Uktani bechor lanachala. Listen to this. Huh. This is crazy. They have a kid. His name is Muhammad. His name is uh whatever his name is, Christian. Christopher. They have a kid Christopher. That's their bechor. Then they become Jewish and then they have a kid Yankel. Yankel. Who's the bechor? The answer is it says over here that Yankel is the bechor. >> How about sibling rivalry? >> Yeah. Yeah, talking about And not only that, he doesn't even get anything. Christopher doesn't even get yerusha anymore. Yeah, yeah, and he want he goes together with his parents, they go to the beis din together become But we we we we separate now. We we can live in my house. I'll be nice to you, but halachically you're not really we're not really connected here. La'an yisrael shlayla ben avena bechor oh. So la'an migaresh shlayla ben avena uktani bechor lanachala. It's a great question on your bechina. And says >> [clears throat] >> that the first one the second one is not a bechor. Second one is not a bechor. Over here it says bechor, so the second one is the bechor. Yankel is the bechor. Reuven and Shimon, you look at the top top top. Reuven and Shimon used to be this guy. The second guy, Yankel is not a bechor, says Reuven and Shimon. Over here it says Yankel is a bechor. Reuven and Shimon means Israel, Shimon means children. No, we're not talking about a a couple that were were became geirim. We're talking about she married a Yisrael who never had children. Reuven and Shimon, what's Why are you talking about a and a and a shifcha? Just talk about you had a shifcha. Shifcha is it's her second marriage. She had a child from another person. Me mayla, the child from his the new marriage does not have a pidyon haben, cuz she already had a child before. Oh, why did Why did I talk about Reuven and Shimon kind of agree. I'm telling you this chiddush, that Rabbi Yishmael agrees holds that when you become a giyores, you have a new body. You're a new person. There's no peter rechem. She had 25 children when she was a in halacha she had zero children. Right now, zero. We're starting from today, we start the clock all over, zero zero zero. It starts ticking. And from this point on, any kid she has is a bechor. If she has a male kid now, now it's a bechor. So, I want to tell you that I was not like Rabbi Yishmael what he said is not true. That's what I was trying to do here. And that's why I used the the case of a to teach you that Rabbi Yishmael is wrong. Or I at least hold he's wrong. Shimon Peter Rechem B'Yisrael Achrei Peter Rechem Me'Yisrael. That the Peter Rechem is when you're a Jew, B'Yisrael learns. That it's a new it's a new it's a new person. Achrei Peter Rechem Me'Yisrael. From Ashman the guy, no, it doesn't go like that. The first the Ma'aseh Ta'achlis Mitzvah says, it's not the opening of the womb, it's not it's a Peter Rechem. It's not a Peter Rechem the new the new kid. We go by when she had children when she was a that's it. She's done with pidyon haben. Tushma. Reuven and Shimon used to be this guy. It's the same case. We had a person who had children when he was a non-Jew. Yesh lo bechor l'nachalah, the second the second kid, right? It's a little confusing the lashon. It's typical. Yesh lo bechor l'nachalah, what does it mean? The second kid is a bechor. No. Was that a question on Rabbi Yochanan? He says the second kid is not a bechor. Second line from the top, Eilu bechor l'nachalah over there is mefurash, Yesh lo bechor l'nachalah. Mamish like his brother-in-law, Reish Lakish. Omer Rabbi Yochanan ben Nuri, say more of a halacha. Rabbi Yochanan ben Nuri say really, don't bring me Rabbi Natan bar Reish Lakish, cuz this goes according to Rabbi Yochanan ben Nuri. Say really, Omer Rabbi Pedat Rabbi Yishmael Rabbi Yishmael Rabbi Yishmael Rabbi Yishmael Rabbi Yishmael Rabbi Yochanan ben Nuri holds that once a person becomes a giyores, her next child in line, I don't care how many children she had before, they don't count at all. This new child, you need a pidyon haben. And once I know that halacha by the woman, I'm going to do the same halacha by the man. I'm going to learn the man from the woman. And the mamila, what? When a non When a non-Jew has a child, and then he becomes a ger, it's all new for him. So, the second child gets the a double yerusha, because Christopher doesn't count. I count from Yankel on on. And I learned the man from the woman, and I don't pasken like Rabbi Yochanan ben Nuri. That's Rabbi Yochanan ben Nuri's shita. Omer Rabbi Abba Levi o she yalda, so this is a We had this sugya already, and it confuses everybody. We all know that if Yaakov Shwartzman is a is a Levi, so his daughter, if she gets married, it doesn't matter to who, she can get married to a your daughter, she married a Yisrael. You're a Levi, your daughter married a Yisrael. No, was there a pidyon haben? There's not. Why not? Why not? Tell me why not. Tell the Yidden why not. Who cares, but it goes by it goes by the father. It always goes by the father. Why? I know I know you're right. I'm asking why. We're learning today why. It doesn't make sense. So, what if it doesn't go by genes? It goes by Is the kid a Levi or a Yisrael? I'm asking. Is the Yisrael helper? Is the kid a Levi Yisrael? You stroll helper. Well, what's the what's the The kid is a Yisrael. 100% Yisrael. He can't wash the cohen's hand. They're going to kick him out of there. He's a Yisrael for everything. So, all of a sudden for peeing in a ban, he's a Levi. So, all So, that's the Gemara's question. That's all we need to know. Levisha ben Partem like The man, who's the father? Either the cohen or the Levi. Okay. If the father's cohen or Levi, my ear your Levi. I don't care if it's Nachman Celsius' daughter. The father's a cohen. So, anyways, it's patur. I feel Yisrael is not me. Even if they marry a cohen who marries Yisrael, is the kid is a cohen or a Levi. He's patur from being a Levi. Eldad means Yisrael. Obviously, the the Leviya she married a Yisrael guy. As the Gemara because it goes by the father for these things. And the maiseh, the kid is a Yisrael. Everything in in in Yiddish guide, we all in in in for halachas of Yidden, we only go by the father. We don't go by the mother. Omar Rabba bo. The Arab and The Arab and So, that's the beginning. This Don't don't don't get nervous. And And that's what we literally what you just said. That sometimes when there's a involved, then we have to then we have to go back to the to the Levi thing. Says the Gemara. V'lo teima Levi d'man d'meim zam d'sav v'lad. Listen to this. I know I'm telling you this daf is full of chiddushim here. We have a machlokes if is this Arab on the not Arab this Jewish slash this Jew slash Arab on the on the motorcycle Jerab. Jerab. This Jerab, what's what's his status? Is he a Jew? A Or perhaps he's a mamzer. Is a mach- Here, the Gemara says "Eim d'zam d'sav v'lad, he's not a mamzer." A feel A feel d'man d'meim zam d'sav v'lad, he's a mamzer. But, listen to this. This is crazy. They're trying to bring you Look in the sheet the right here on the daf. He brings a Tosefos. He says this kid is a gomur. Even though his mother is a Yid, since it's a mamzer, it's a And here's the craziest thing about this shita. He says, listen to this. This is going to manage your head is going to spin. He says that if this Arab guy decides to become Jewish one day, he'll be having a period of time at that moment. That's what he says. I'm just I'm just delivering the stuff. Don't don't shoot the messenger. You hear this? He's a He's a No he have a period of time today because he's a according to this and according to the Shita Mazon and according to the Shita. Now that all the Shita hold this. Someone say he's a Mazon. Okay, he's a Mazon. Mazon is having a period of time. No, he's a Mazon becomes a A is part of but if he becomes Jewish, I don't understand the cloud. I don't expect you guys to understand right now. I'm just telling you information. Then he'll be having a period of time. Put it in your computer and store it for twice. We want to ask some child to a rub. Says he says he want to rub. I just want to repeat these words. Even if you hold that the kid is a Mazon, at the end of the day, he's a Levi. He's still considered a Levi. We're talking about that the father was a Israel. So what was your question? That if a Levi marries Israel, the Mishpacha is on. What's the law of the Mishpacha? Yeah, the Mishpacha is on. It goes by the father and the father is Israel. So why why do we care about the mother's Levi? The Shani also and this answers to all the questions. Why is it that the Levi the Levi in this room, their daughters who got married to Israel, there's no period of time. You have to know this. Shani also in crop pet rechem. A period of time is is dependent on the words pet rechem. It has to do with giving with the mother. Not again from our mission. A the reverse case. The man had children before. So for him, the next child is not a firstborn. You don't get Nachman. But if he marries a woman who married a woman who never gave birth before, then he'll be having a period of time. This guy moved or she is already Jewish while she's pregnant. In other words, but they does if she's going to give birth as a Jew. This she was freed and she's going to give birth as a Jew. We all the Hebrews or another case two women were put in a room. They gave birth and we don't know whose child it is. They both gave birth but one of them is part of cuz she is a honest. So it's the same story. He will reveal same story two women in the room. They both give birth. One is partner one He or the other woman is a woman that doesn't have to do cuz she gave birth already. Okay, I'll just say the whole thing right now. Hey Joseph, what are you doing here? >> [laughter] >> Wow, it's been years. So this song could have been from the first father from the second father. So what do you do but he's the firstborn? Firstborn like the in this video said doesn't matter. You're no matter what regardless you're a firstborn. So the son is going to have to do for himself. Even in the video it says he can do that. He himself has to do for himself. Now he goes to get your Russia. There's no Russia for him. There's no there's no double portion because each father you're going to say or the or the sons of each father you're going to say you're not our brother. You're you're you're you're you belong to him. You belong to him. Each one is going to be so he doesn't get two portions. What about regular get the two portions regular could he go to any one of the fathers to the sons of any of the fathers and say I'm your brother give me a portion. I'm not a fun give me a portion. The he doesn't get two portions. He's not a it says it doesn't say he's not a kid. He's not a kid. Anyway they will talk about it but the right here says it's only the that has to redeem not the and the guy. So the this who who's the father? He is the and the lady. Same question we had before if the father is a cohen or a levi you argue my here that cohen is a levi. So who cares about the mother? Which the guy at the end is going to say that you're right, she's not a coheness. She's a Yisrael just gave birth to a cohen. But anyway, this coheness if she married a cohen who cares about her? The cohen is he doesn't have to do pidyon haben. A few but it's not also part of pidyon haben. L the aber megoy. So what happened? Ah, so here's the married the concept that nobody knew really. When a coheness got pregnant from a and the certainly doesn't have yichus, he's not a father. Does the coheness have to do a pidyon haben? Well, no she's a coheness. No, she has to do a pidyon haben. A coheness who got pregnant from a Isn't that exactly what Ravad said? The same exact case by a levi. We have the same exact case by a levi. A levi got pregnant from a no pidyon haben. And over here he says no, it's almost a good raya. You want to learn a cohen from a levi, a coheness from a levi. Nice try. They're very similar but they're very different. Why? Because a levi keeps her kedusha even though she got pregnant from a she's still 100% a levi. How do I know? If she was captured or she never a levi that's news. She continues eating the gifts of a levi. A And a coheness but a cohen is different. Even the by law once she have a little zara, she if a is by her, she becomes a zara. And a mailer there's no way that you guys were going to get this this riddle I gave you. If I asked if a coheness or a levi get pregnant by a do the kids need a pidyon haben? And the answer is if she's a cohen yes, because she becomes a zara, she becomes a non cohen, a non cohen, a non cohen firstborn is not a pidyon haben. but a Levi keeps her kedusha. You hear what's going on here? I just taught you Levians something important there. The Leviim they they keep their kedusha even if they do something wrong. So over here, why is the the the Levi parted from Korach? She got pregnant from Yisrael. Going back. The the story happened that she got pregnant from a from a from a kohen. But it says that she's a kohenet. And the question was is she a kohenet? Who cares? The kohen is is what counts. But she's a bat Yisrael. But my kohen kohenet, they're not kohen. In fact, she's not a kohen. The father is a kohen. That's why you're parted from a So why is it called a kohenet? Cuz the kid is considered a kohen. Itmar in Zeraim Bet. Itmar, kohen she marries v'niach ben chalal. Amazing an amazing case. The kohen marries a gerusha. Happens all the time, unfortunately. It's a sad story. Okay? So it's very So this is also super interesting. This stuff I'm telling you is unbelievable. You don't know where to where to go. Every every line here is is a bomb. Why? Think about it. There's another thing you have to think about. A kohen who happens to have to do a pidyon haben for his son, which is very rare, but he married a gerusha and they had a son, a firstborn. He does a pidyon haben. Who does he give the money to? Who does he give the money to? Can he give it to himself? He could Why can't he accept his own money? You're looking at me like this and the answer is yes. He can give the money to himself. It's It's all these things are my Eden. No, no, no. A kohen can never become a chalal. No. No. No. His kid can become a chalal. Yeah, that's also very important to to know. A kohen, David, don't worry about it. You can never become a chalal. You're locked in for life. Your kid is a different story. To have a kid with a gerusha, that's a no-no, Donny. Don't even think about it. It's it becomes a hall. You yourself you're good. That's that's the that's the important a lot to know. You're a shomer, you're also good. But when you're calling you're good to go. So listen to this. The son has to do his own opinion of him. Right right right right I have to do this that's it. You don't have to. Now listen to this. If the father made it to the opinion of him but there's no opinion of him he's sick whatever and he he died right after the 30 days. You call him and he didn't do opinion of him he lived his own life. He doesn't have to do opinion of him. Why? Because the father had the right to be paid him and take the money. He didn't. That right goes to the son. And my father is able to take the money I'm going to take his Yeru show and take my own money the opinion of him. You have all of it. Keep playing so where What if the father died before 30 days? The master of the father didn't do it and he died before he was able to. The master if my father was alive he would be paid him and take the money for himself. So I'm coming from that power. And yesterday in chair I thought about a svara. And I didn't want to say it I thought it was like too too too risky to say but today I saw the matter to bring it down. That really cuz we learned it but I wasn't sure in myself if we really learned it or not but yeah. That really you could do opinion of him before the 30 days. It's not the 30 days is is when you're supposed to do it but the heel of it is even before. Okay fine. Whatever something like that. But there is some otherwise it's hard to understand. Let me say the guy died before there was ever a heel. Let say let say the kid was born after the father died. So you say oh if my if my father was here if he is going to not but my The was here when there was opinion okay that's one of the one of the show. Oh, yeah, this is very important. Very important we we had a child of to show it cuz we couldn't get sued. This is a bass cohen who Okay, you'll see from here. >> [music] >> Here, habibi. Take the envelope. >> You want to none. This guy is more embarrassed. She became a girl when she was still pregnant. In other words, she gave birth the kid was already she was Jewish when she gave birth. The car look at him. He has to He has to be quiet himself. If my eye limit lay I said I'm going to die with the most to do in a bad day. Let's Let's use the same logic. If the father was here, who's the father? Ahmad. Try to get Try to get money from him. Try to get a period of bed from him. He's not going to give it to you. So, you're going to be right. Shall I go to the But the father doesn't count. Ahmad doesn't count at all. We're talking about a a cohen over here that that did something wrong. He does He does have equals. Over here you'll see me out. Over here you'll see like we did find them in in beta and maybe another place. The father died before the period of bed. So, here's the law. I been higher than the last one. He does He can't take a ride with his father's tour cuz the father died before the period of bed. So, he's all happy again. I know I've been higher than the last one. That we said before everybody agrees that if the father is alive during the period of bed, when it should have been the period of bed, then the kid is part of the law again. I've been here again. He said last time I saw him balance the before the law of the law of the law. So, this is the question we had before. If the a woman had two husbands and she didn't wait the proper three-month period in between, and you don't know whose child it is, the first husband or second husband, he doesn't get two portions. What do you mean he doesn't get two portions? He shouldn't get any law. All the children from one husband are going to say you're not our brother. The children are going to say you're not the brother. Over here we're talking about the law of the law. We're talking about the second child. So, here let's just do this real quickly. >> Two months after you got divorced and 7 months later I had this sweet boy. >> Okay. So, that's that's our show. Our show means to do a a Yipu Koyach in the Hebrew. It's a power of attorney. The two boys get together and say, "Look, the our other siblings, we don't care about them. They're getting a simple portion, not getting a double. It's either me or you. So, let's make a deal. Let's just split the second portion between us. We'll get 50/50. Can you do it or not?" Let this guy do what he said. That the firstborn the guy that the Soviet who in the first guy, the first kid that we saw in the first video, he's for sure has to do Pinyan Ben cuz regardless who his father is, he's the firstborn. But the second one he cannot get a double portion because maybe his older brother maybe that kid is his older brother. Maybe not. Let him do a power of attorney to each other. Maybe can't do a power of attorney. It's not a case of such a case. We say later on that there is a shot. Why is it not a shot? Cuz it goes like Rubiana. You cannot do a power of attorney. Don't Rubiana. If they do it was known. It said Ben Zundel on his thing. You saw we knew who the father was. But so mailer you already he locked in the Yushin everything. Later on it got mixed up. So, in that case in that case you can write a power of attorney. Lawyer going to say this article if it was never known they were born in a dark room. We we never knew who they were. Hey, it was all he was born a Soviet. Hey, you don't write a power of attorney. Rubai side, have a wonderful day. >> [music] >> Merit the schutz of spreading Torah the world. Sponsor a shear today. mdy.sponsor.com [music] or [email protected]