CHAZARAH - Bechoros Daf 48 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. What a day. So I get two portions and my father actually did a pigeon ben and I did a pab. I got two bends. So let's look at the Mishna. What kind of [laughter] do you have to do a bend like I did? And also we get two portions. What do you mean? Every normal isar that's not born gets these two things. And the Mishna continues. appelas in a case where the mother miscarried mal some sort of sack full of water or malam with so the answer is the mission you're right of course there's a normal bkar we're not talking about that I'm talking about in a case where she had some sort of miscarriage beforehand where does it remain 100% and there's no issues with his and his that's even in a case where there's a miscarriage What does it mean? She gives birth to something that looks like a grasshopper. [laughter] So that's not considered a birth. So everything after that is a full-fledged for and for and a woman who gives birth or or miscarries before the 40th day since conception all these things if she gives [clears throat] birth she miscarries some sort of sack with fluid in it water blood whatever it is I'm sorry the next kid coming up is 100% the bakar for all purposes for the uh here for both yusha and forben for both things. So this is this is what we're discussing. And if you look there's a hay over here and that that hay indicates that that's a kid born by and the following kid. The first one is also not the first one doesn't get two portions and the first one certainly doesn't get a why doesn't get a because he's born. Now this is super interesting as well has a that's hard to understand says that this person actually had two. The first one that was born in 19 97 is a Bakar L. And the second one that was born in 2026, he's a Bkar. He's also Bkar. There's a, you know, quite a difference in years between them. Born to the same mother, but they're bothar cuz each one accomplish something else. One was born by Ceserian, but he's the first. So he gets two parts of the Yusha according to the second one was a pet. So someone has to do opinion about it. Why not? Why do we say that the one that was born by Cesarian does not receive two portions of the he brings a it's not it's not it's why why does the first one not get anything because it says for the it has to be a birth that's not a birth that's a why is no opinion we know this it has to be and why is the second kid why doesn't He get in your case Shia. Why didn't he get two two portions? Well, not Shia. Is it Shia or >> he's the second? You know what a father cries the same way about his Bkar son. He doesn't care whether he was born a sazir or not. He's going to miss him. He's going to have the same pain. The racial it's the pain of losing the Bkar. That's what causes double. But this Bkar wasn't born normally. He's born by cesarian. He doesn't get it. No, the second one. >> The second. Sorry, you're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. The first the father is going to cry about the first one. That's why the second one doesn't get it. The still here. You know, how come the second one doesn't get the five? This is what everybody understands that you can't be you can't have two in one family. The first one if the first one was born first, he's thear but he's not thear. So that's it enough. But the second one, what are you going to say? He he he wasn't born first, but he's not a racist, but he was born naturally, and that's why he should have a doesn't work like that. You have to have both things going. You have to be born naturally, and you have to be the first one that the father cries over. He has another that tells me that even if it was you get two parts, why it says tail it anyway you give birth to Why? I find that very interesting. But that's what he says that you can be aar even from one aspect and that whatever it is even if you weren't born first the fact that you were the forces your father to do. So on today's d we're going to see many things that we already learned going to sound very familiar and the reason is because we learned many of these when it comes to animals. So here comes even more a woman who never gave birth and she gives birth to twins and they're both male. But what's the case? What is the case? You don't know which one came out first. There's a mixup. No. Does the father have to give a five slave? Does the father have to do? Yes, he has. He doesn't know on which one. But he has to do it. But if one of the two dies, then all of a sudden you have an issue. Why? Because maybe the one that died is the is the first born. And there's no now we could say maybe the one that died is is not it. If the father died now we have to understand when did he die exactly the gar is going to discuss did he die before the 30 days and there's no yet or he died after the makes a big on whether his property was has a lean already to the to the if it happened if he died before 30 days there's no lean there's no for him to pay the if it happened afterwards there's already a lean so the two sons are around so now there like you were saying there's on them to be part of themselves if they gave the money before they divided the that's it in other words they would be to give now also forget about they didn't do so they didn't split it so they would have to give the kite so it stays by the if they didn't give the money to the kay before they divided up why because now they divide it up and then the kite is going to go to this one say give me give me your money and the kid is going to say, "I'm not the bakar. Go to my my brother." He looks a little older. He's going to go to his brother and the brother say, "I'm not the go to him get sir." And once again, we have the same question that a lot of people are thinking in their head. How could the come and demand money? It's the whole of the best I saw really is that we say when when there's a father about to do a so no particular cen could come over and say cuz he has this he has the to give to whoever he wants but when he's denying it when he denies it then a can come and grab it from him sort of that's okay but that's not the point of the point is is there or says even if there's no even if there was a sorry even if there was a division and you got 50% and he got 50%. the can demand his five. Why? Because the the the um the state, oh that's a good word. The estate has to pay the kite, not the kids. The state has to pay on that is going to ask what do you mean the state has to pay? Did you demand money from any of the children? You didn't make a demand. So how do you go directed to the state without going to the children? You have to first go to the children. And you can't go to the children. Why? Cuz these going to tell you go f. So in we have a problem. How do you go directly to this state? That's Ra's question on this. What [snorts] what if a woman gives birth to twins that are both one of each? Again, these are we saw in this when it comes to an animal. If the can't prove which one is the first born, it might have been a female. So there's nothing he can't get anything [clears throat] says right away. The m When did the father die? He died after 30 days. Why would there be anyur whatsoever? Oh, what's your name? Sadic at the end of the table. >> Ronnie. >> Yeah. >> From Manchester. >> Oh, where you from? >> I live in Ireland. >> In Ireland. How long you doing this year? >> Curious. >> Really? Wow. So, what what's there's a there's a whole minion? There's a whole thing over there. >> Minion of house. >> [laughter] >> Ronnie, get over here. Get over here. We got to I got to meet Are you a shepherd? What are you see? GET OVER HERE. COME HERE FOR a second. Get over here. >> This is crazy. Ronnie from Ireland. This is not This is not a joke. What's going on, Sic? [laughter] Tell me what's going on in Ireland. What are you doing there? What are you working? >> I live on a farm. So >> EMS. >> Yeah, that's why I said the cows. I wasn't trying to be >> Wow. You anybody else on the farm besides you? >> Yeah. Yeah. We're about 10 people. >> So you just you're hurting cows? >> Not the whole day. Do other things as well. >> That's good. So you're doing the daff in Ireland on the farm. >> And what do these guys think while doing the daff on the farm? [sighs] >> It's a great idea. >> You're going to make them all gay. Maybe. [laughter] >> Wow. This crazy. >> And then they come have a look. What the the the state already owes this the five. How can you be there's a there's a lean on the property. You had no right to divide it and give it up between the children. There's five slime that must go to the so you must say that the father died within 30 days. So then what difference does it make if they made a division of the state? Once you go to one boy, you say, "Hey, give me the five." He'll tell you, "I don't know what you're talking about. Go to my brother and each brother that he goes to, they're going to push him off to the other guy. So even if there was no there's it should be the same thing. What's the difference? Each brother in all situations will push off and not pay." So here comes We're going to hear two from and it goes like this. My boys say think about it. If you're in in Williamsburg or you're in your let's say and you you get you lend money to a guy, you ask him what's his name? He says, "My name is Nakman Beno." [snorts] Chances are that there's another BenGo or maybe another 2 thou 10,000 of them in your just like this. Yo, Ben, whatever the names are in and then there's there's in Crown Heights a lot of men and Vishn and they all have and then the mothers they go by the mother also they take the rebbit and so you lend money to this guy and you come to him and you tell him hey give me back my million dollars and he tells you what are you talking about you have to go to Naka that lives next door and he goes next door and he says it's not me it's the guy over here big kids here what do you do so Listen to this unbelievable kadesh. Let's say there's only two Ronnie uh I forgot his last name in Ireland. >> Gurwitz. So he says, "Listen, we're in Ireland. There's only two Gurits." Is there two Ronnies? Two Ronnies. Okay, great. So listen to this. You can't go, you can't collect from one because each one says it's not me, it's the other one. But then the two Ronnies, these they decided to buy a farm farm with a bunch of cows. So you buy a farm and each one owns owns 50% of this farm. Now the lender comes and grabs half of the farm. Why? Because half of the farm is his 100%. He has a half a farm here. Because between the two of them, half of it is his. And then he tells the two of them, "Go break your heads together. Which one owns the other half?" It's not my problem. In this farm, I have half. I'm gonna grab half. You hear what's going on here? It's a beautiful kadesh because there's a guy here that's really getting messed up. He has no nothing. He He never knew there was alone and today they're taking away and he has to fight in court. Which half is his? So let's see it inside. There's two people with the same exact name and obviously you have to say the first part. There was a loan >> and the guy didn't want to pay and he blamed it's not me. It's the other guy. Yeah. They bought a field in a partnership. The the lender could take up to half, not the whole thing, up to half because half is for sure is because he says, "I'm going after you. I'm taking your part of the land. I'm going after your friend. The half that I'm grabbing now is either yours or your friends. The rest is not my problem. The the property the state of a person is an ARV. What is an ARV? Here's an ARV. A guarantor. Arf is a guar. the the the state is only a guarantor and acts like an is there something in this world that you cannot go to the original borrower you could go to the second guy now we learned we learned if you lend money and there was a guarantor what does it mean it means don't you now to go to the first Easy, easygoing guy. Go collect him. No, first you go to the you go to him. How in our case when you can't go to any son? Why can't you go to the son? Because each one is going to deny it. Oh, I didn't do this. Excuse me. The father died after 30 days. So it goes like this. It's very very cool. What I I told uh Kobe to do this and he did this. It's very nice what he did. Let me show you. It's actually like four steps over here. Very very easy. But we're learning new concepts and that's what's great over here. And we're building up the concepts one on top of the other and then we come out with the with the outcome. Raasi holds that when you divide uh yusha property half of it is yusha half of it you act as as a purchaser what does it mean because I'm not going to get into the whole thing I'll say it really fast there's a kind of yesesh braa that retroactively we see that this is what was meant and destined so is the yusha when you get the Ferrari and he gets the apartment in Miami is that that's how it was and that's how hashem said it should be. So that's bra and that is a yusha or there was a deal that went on between the two brothers. I get the silver, you get the this. So that's more of a deal. That's more of a since we don't know how to we're going to do 50/50. Half of it is half of it is now as a side note. In other words, when the tells you you have to pay the five, then it's not as if itar. This is a verbal agreement. Okay. We're not going to discuss that that much, but we're going to discuss this. The third thing on this chart here, when there's a mil like the five slime, you could only um >> collect. Thank you. You could only collect from the part from the 50% that is and not from the 50% that's so now that you have five you have five 25 50% of it is a yusha 50% of it is a mech there's a deal the cen cannot go and get his his the whole five slime he could only get two and a half of the slime let's say the whole yusha consisted of five slime the coin is not allowed to ask for the part because that's a deal that happened. It's already too late. He could ask for the part and then the fourth step that's not here is can a collect 50% of his of his uh of his money or only the whole full five slime. Yeah. Is that clear? >> I think it's very simple. It's very cool. These four steps we'll see them inside. It goes like this. Here we go. We have a question who the bakar is and the father after 30 days takes a little trip goes bye-bye and he left a beautiful of >> five sl no no >> yeah yeah we're talking about one and a quarter that's exactly what we're talking about the one and a quarter This is what they divided two and a half and two and a half. And now it comes out that each one got one and a quarter and one and a quarter as you can see on this picture over here. So mea since it's in the they have to pay a kayen. So that's al that's considered a a low uh yeah the loan is a verbal loan. It's not in a in a in a document. Since it's not in the document, the client could only take half the part and not the part. And then we have a m is whether or not [clears throat] whether or not a co can take says a can't take two and a half. Either takes the whole thing, the entire thing or nothing. Don't take half says that's why he's potter and says that's why. Let's see inside. [snorts] Four lines from the bottom. The father died after the 30. You were asking me if the father died after 30, then there's a lean. You're right. There is a lean. If if he left him a lot of money will come in there and take his five slime. What's the case? He only got he only left him over five and everybody's going to hold. Now, I just want to point out that at the end of the we could say not everybody holds like I can make the is here any way I want. I can say we don't hold like or we don't hold like rapa when we have these these uh the whole only works if you do all these steps. If you knock out one of the steps you say no a yish is is uh is not a half yish and a half. He's a complete yish. Then the k will grab everything is there. Or I could say that we hold that everybody holds the the can take two and a half. Not he doesn't have to take the whole five. Or I could say the mil you could collect even from the part. There's different ways to play with this. There's too many steps there to say that everybody greased everything. So in other words, he only gets one and a quarter. Each one gets one and a quart. I said what? Where are you? I don't know. Oh, there's no real. It's only a verbal lean or loan to the kids and everybody holds what say since 50% of the is the and 50% is says that in such a case where the is a verbal agreement like in our case with the you can only collect from the part and not from the part. So what is the then? Okay, so there's two and a half left. Give it to the question less than the full amount. It's all or nothing by the you could collect if that's the case. Did everybody get it? I think it was simple enough if you paid attention. Why does say that there's a lean on the property? You know what? Mayor also agrees there's a lead on the property. Everybody agrees that the wall was the question here. The question is whether or not the has to pay it. Does he have to pay the two and a half? Does he have to pay half? That was the question. If there's 10, okay, 10 boys not to be confused just means two and a half. There's five and there two and a half. If if there's each one got two and a half then they have to pay. Now what does it mean? You're talking about in total their whole entire which consists of 50% 50% and that whole is two and a half for the for and two and a half and you can pay the even half if you're paying the less than the full then pay him then even if it's less than what why you come up with 10 No. So obviously we're talking about a case where there's a full amount. So there's a full amount. Why why did why did each kid get the full amount? Because the only way the co can collect is if he takes the whole amount and not half of the amount. So there's no in that. Oh, so there's no whether or not the co can take half or not half. He has to take the full amount or nothing. So then what is there? Oh. as I mentioned before you could have another like either in step one or in step three either I agree with say no it's not it's fully or I say no you could you could collect from anything you want I don't have to say that the is whether or not you could if the you collect the whole thing or even less than the whole thing no everybody agrees the coin could only collect the whole but then I have another is here Right now we have the whole again but this time we're going to come out with another not the before said that if two people with the same name own one field then the lender could go and grab half. Listen to this. This is what's going to come out from here. If the guy with the the same name Shim buys the whole farm. Ronnie buys the whole farm and then Ronnie sells the farm, sells it off to another Ronnie Gorwitz. Then what's going to happen? Then the lender could go and grab that field. Why? Cuz he's going to say either I lent the money to Ronnie number one and it was mine or I lent it to you and it's mine. Either way, it's mine. So it's another not the first time was that they own it together now and he could take half. And now we're saying no he could take it from the second buyer because the second buyer bought it from the first buyer and they both have the same name. So let's see it inside the master what says that even after the the the brothers divided up their the state they have to pay the why because he says that the state had a lean on it. So we're doing the same thing again when did the father die if he died after 30 days. You're telling me that that Rome argues in this he's say there's a lean on the on the property he died before there was a lean why does he say any why does why did the boys have to pay each boy should push him off so before that there was there was no there's no division so it's as if they bought it together it's as if the The muscle of ribia before was they're holding on to the field together. They have a partnership in the field and that's why the guy could come and but over here we're talking about that they already made a division. So it's it's similar more similar to this case that one sold it to the other one sold the field to another. The guy could come and demand the money. the the the lender could could grab the field if you're the one I lent the money to. So I'm taking your portion and if I lent money to the other one, so I had a lean on the field, he had no right to sell it to you. And in fact, the the property of a person is is a guarantor. And now we're just going to go and and finish off the suga. In other words, the says you don't have to finish it off. You going to say that we're talking about the same case as before. what the father died after 30 days and there's only five and there's a there's either and so each one got one and a quarter they got two and a half or one and a quarter and et like that says the Mishna this is the whole Mishna we have to finish the Mishna and we have four minutes and it's fine because everything is very very simple this Mishna and if you do it together with me you'll see what I mean it's it's stuff that we learned Ready? Have two women married to one man. They never had a child before. Each one gave birth to a male. What's the father has to do what? Two. What's the question? But what? Oh, this is a very good video. I like this video a lot. >> Yep, that's me. You're probably wondering how I got here. And that's how rebell changed my life. [laughter] If one of the two boys that were born to the same father but from different mothers, he's married to two women and one of them died. So again, now what happened was that the father was very nervous. He his two wives gave birth and he realizes what's going to happen. They need a new shait for the bris. They're going shopping soon. It's a problem. So what does he do? He takes 10 lime and he walks over to K. He says, "Listen, hold on to these 10 lime. I'm going to need them in in 30 days. I'm going to have to do two pina bends. I don't want to be stuck without any cash. It's not yours right now. Just hold on to it." Now, one of the kids died. So the has to return some money because it's only one. He should return half. But what if he did this deal with two separate? He can't prove to which to either which one of his sons died and which one the money went to. What if the two wives one gave birth to a male and one gave birth to a female? or he has one son for sure has to have a there's one daughter one son or two sons and one daughter but one wife gave birth to a firstborn to give sorry but what about but if there's three kids and two females it's possible that two female females and two girls were born first and there's no opinion or two males and two females. Once again, it's possible that the first birth is females. No, the doesn't get anything. What if it's two? He had two wives, but one already had children. So, one of them is one of them is not once again simple stuff. You give the one Uh but what about now it becomes complicated because these two boys we one of them is a one of them is not I don't know which one is what and one died. So that's also easy to answer. What's you don't have to do? What if the father died? Similar to what we had in the first the father died and the kids are around if they gave the money to before they divided because then they could just push him off and say I'm not the one that's not true. There's a lean on the property and they have to pay up. There's one woman who gave birth, >> no two. One gave birth to Z and one gave birth to NA. One, I'm sorry, one gave birth before. Yeah. One already had had a child and one didn't. So, it's not that the the Z that's born now is why? Cuz maybe the Z that's born now, his mother is a woman who already gave birth. The other woman who didn't give birth, maybe she gave birth to [snorts] therefore the doesn't get anything. Two women that belong. Should we stop here? No, it's the middle of the two separate husbands. Two wives and two separate husbands. They never gave birth and they gave birth to two males. Of course, each one is because >> it doesn't matter if you don't know who the kid is. You know that your wife never gave birth and she gave birth to a boy. You have to pay. I don't care if you know if you can recognize him or not. That's But what if one of them died if they gave the money over to the he has to give back to both of them five because he doesn't deserve 10. He only deserve five. One of them is dead. What if they gave to two different they can't take the money out because the is going to say no the other guy's son died not yours there's two women that are not married to the same man they're married to two different people and they never had children before one gave birth to a male one gave birth to a female now we don't know who gave birth to what it's possible that I have the girl you have the boy so I don't have to pay for the but here you hear this There is eventually on the son when he gets older to redeem himself. But if there's two females here, there's no at all. There's no at all. The doesn't get anything. Two women belonging to two different men and one gave birth before one didn't give birth. Since there's [clears throat] two males, you for sure have to give. Why? Because your wife gave birth to a male. Now you don't recognize him, but it's too bad. You have to pay for the but it's possible your wife who never gave birth before, she gave birth to the coin doesn't get anything. Have a wonderful day. [music] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdyop.com.