CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 139 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. Judah Pearson. Very interesting email. Reveli, I recently watched one of your was truly inspired. It's been a long time since I had a regular say the learning and your sheer awakened in me a real desire to get back into it. I was moved by what you were building and signed up for a monthly sponsorship before even beginning. I would appreciate your advice on how best to start. Do you think I should join the live share we are currently holding even though it's the middle of Yes. So if you do the share you'll know you always start you have the inspiration that day. In fact, MBY started in the middle of middle of a per and you make [clears throat] will be your start today. You never push it off to the next. It's interesting. We know is when you you ship the mother away. She's sitting on the on the eggs while she has little chicks. You send her away and you take the eggs. It's one of the only two mitzvah in the promises. It's not so not so not so simple to do the mitzvah. As we're going to see, there's a lot of different rules. One of the famous of is it can't be something that's ready readily available. Has to be something you bump into. Okay. This mitzvah is on a person. It's not nothing to do with the land. Nothing with this applies also in London in New York. This is only for birds that are not but birds that were consecrated. They were set aside for a carbon doesn't work. Is going to say what exactly happened over here? What was the case? How did it becomeish is if it's yours and you made it heish then there's no on your bird. You can't do on on pigeons that you own and you you you you raise. So how did you make it? You you you picked it up and you made it. So you picked it up. So it's already this the story is over [laughter] just to remind cuz we're like one after another after another. But we learned we're finishing up in three days. Three days we're finishing up a full of uh proim that just major mitzvah was one of the so one of the pro was we learned all about covering the blood of a of a of a bird. So there something that that has more of a in you cover the blood of a of a deer and a bird whether you happen upon it or not. There's only one one type of animal you can do. You can't chase away a goat. only a bird and only when it's not readily available to you, you just happened upon it. Let me give you a case of something that's not readily available. Now, you would think that a chicken is available. It's yours. But this is a case where the chicken or the duck, the goose, ran away. Once they run away, that's it. It's over. Yes, you owned it yesterday. Today you don't own it anymore. That's about birds. Once they fly away and they're gone, they're gone. So they they went ahead and they they made their own little nest in the orchard. That's considered that you they're not available. And therefore of even though they were yours yesterday, it's your bird. You you you brought this bird up a long time. It flew away. That's it. The moment it flies away, it's no longer yours. What if they made a nest in your home in a private property? These pigeons that come and they they they live by you, they they fly away, but they come back to you. That's already considered readily available. What about a non-coosher bird? There's no If you have a non-coosher bird sitting on kosher bird eggs or the opposite, you have a chicken roosting on non-coosher eggs. In that situation, k there's a bird called a kay translates it as a partridge seems like this bird other birds take advantage of it and they they're like parasites and they lay eggs in its nest and this kra doesn't care or doesn't realize that he's he's um what's the word roosting >> he's um roosting and and >> do he's these random eggs and all a sudden like he wakes up like one day it starts he gets all excited it starts cracking and like a random bird pops out like what are you doing here that so if aa sits on the eggs that then you can do on it but say if it's a no says and the two of them they said different things very very similar but slightly different is going to say well we don't know who said what so listen we just decided go back go back we have not we have we have which we just finished we have and all the say the same exact applies in it's the So these say look it's it's not necessary to say these but it's necessary for one of the four or five that we're that we had and therefore we say it on all why these this mitzvah of for instance applies in America why wouldn't it apply in America has nothing to do with their destro it's not fruit it has to do with the human being and human beings regardless where they live they live on the moon they live on the moon I don't Oh, we have to see maybe this or not. But if you live in any country, there's no reason for the mission to say those words. But there was was important to tell you that it applies also. Why we had the brings who argues and says do it only works in shearing of the wool. Therefore the say we don't we don't like even though we do pass like the says we don't pass we we hold like is only is in also are something very similar the other one says the talks about that the applies even when there's no migd that was not necessary because of course applies when there's no migdash it's user to eat the giranha And nobody have oh you're allowed to eat or blood when there's no mdash. So then why does it say it one of the the theim called it was a whole about a mother and son in the same day that we need to tell you that applies also when there's no why that whole is referring to don't bring a carbon mother and a baby in the same day that only applies when there's so sad we don't have we don't Kurbanus. That's why we have we have to go and we have to dive in like crazy on. If we had carbon it would be a different situation. You do you do you do you go you get rid of it right away and you're done. You're clean. There's no there's no there's no concept. So the Mishna had it say once it says it sticks in the same exact even though it's not necessary both of them both hold but the one of the the lines in our Mishna says it it applies to and actually in our says it doesn't apply in very very necessary most of the most of the we learned do not apply by like doesn't apply in hedges of course applies by carbon and we had also you'll remember as soon as we start talking about it what is a literal is it's a piece of the animal you can't eat the senue You can't eat it. So who cares if you made it a that where where did the is go? It doesn't run away this or it doesn't fly out. It doesn't it's not but wait a minute. We already established that's not talking about a regular animal that was 100% and then later on you made it or I'm sorry let's say and then you want to eat it. Of course that's not going to the the the is of is not going to go away. But I'm telling you that it mother was a carbon and it the mother became pregnant and the first few weeks of pregnancy there's no g at all but kach was first it's a carbon and later on through the development in the pregnancy it developed a senu so I would think maybe one should imply the other and why did you have to come out this whole thing of that it's the mother was because you're saying it's of course the doesn't fly away so then to begin with you shouldn't ask why does it say you're right all the other mitzvah let's say that's important to tell me that it doesn't apply when there's no bdash so I say it also by of course it applies by by I'm sorry by as well by it once we have this idea that not every word in these is necessary they just mimic each other all five mimic each other you have five that are not similar one some apply here some don't apply here but the is going to be consistent so that a kid learning is going to because he said it four times already. Sometimes it works, sometimes I need it, sometimes I don't need it. Some I need it by so I say by all five. Some need I don't need. Okay, I don't need it's not does not apply to you shall send away the mother. Sometimes you have a to do something else. When you find a bird when you find it's like it's like you just bumped into a bird that doesn't belong to you belongs to it belongs to grab it and bring it bring it back to the you have a bird that killed a human being. Avi sent me a video, but I didn't see it of a bird and the Gumar talks about it. A bird once, and the Gumar talks about like a a bird pecked a baby in the head in the soft spot by its brain and killed it. So that's how a bird could kill a Listen, if you if you have a a giant bird that's flying at 100 miles an hour and hits you, it could break a glass. It could break its beak is very powerful. It could it could kill a child, could kill an adult also. Why not? You don't when you find him you're not you don't have to do say what's the case if you already had in other words they they already he was sentenced to death he should die he wasn't sentenced oh listen to this listen to this even in a situation where there's You have a listen to this. You have you have a a mitzvah to get involved over here >> on this bird. >> On this bird >> just like you have a mitzvah with a human being. You have a mitzvah on a bird. You got to get rid of the bad. Why? Why if it's are you? What exactly happened? What happened? How did he become? He had a a a nest in his house made such a situation. If it if it's there in your house there's no that's why a lot of people I don't know I did the only time I did it was on my porch. So how do you do it on your porch it and this and I don't know how good it is. So what happened was you're walking down the street, you're walking in in the in the forest and all of a sudden you see a nest and you made it. It doesn't even work. It has to be yours in order to has to be in your possession. So it wasn't your possession. What happened? He lifted up the chicks and then he made them. Then he put it back and the mother came and she kept on roosting over there. Says that's not you can't do on that. Even if it was an egg even was if you're just walking through the forest and you try to do something like that, it wouldn't work. Why? It's considered as if it's not just a regular guy walking down in the forest and he grabs the chicks and he puts them back into the nest. Then the mother came back. situation. Ella, what happened was maybe perhaps you lifted up the mother. You made her and she went back and she roosted. But in that case, you were on immediately when you happened upon this mother doesn't go away. If you made a deer, you said this is and you it there's no ondish. What if sorry youed a deer? So the moment you shifted it there's you must cover the blood and then you decided to make it the that you had of doesn't go away. So to over here you bumped into this bird you have of then you made it the doesn't take away your just like that doesn't take away says we have tar no you owned these birds they were in your house you own them you had a bunch of pigeons and you said the mdish you said that I'm making these [snorts] these chips I'm making them heish when they grow up I'm going to bring some mdish I'm make them an as a carbon these these chicken these uh these pigeons that's why they're they're they're babies [clears throat] the how else are we going to do it and this is the key word they rebelled they flew away and they came back and now there's a whole situation that the mother's back that they're all back the problem is they went off and they came back so you should know that the gusha the hedish that I did on the birds didn't go away That's that's are very very similar just is talking about I made it into a says the same exact thing but I didn't make it that severe I made it only you took a chicken and you made it for the upkeep of the says it's talking about that he the less because he's telling you a major even though there's a less but that remains and therefore he can't do any but why why did have to say such a severe thing he made you why I have to go that far even if he made it no no I said it on purpose when a person donates it to He makes a distinction. If it has severe like for the doesn't go anywhere. You can never get rid of it. If it's only for the it's not so severe. It's only for its monetary value not itself. once and rebels and flies away then the less could fly away also that's why only said the sever which doesn't go anywhere and that's why you can't do if you find it later on says that there's no such thing once it's you don't know where it is that's your problem this is in a who's treasure. He's somewhere. He's on this on this earth somewhere and it's somewhere is everywhere. He owns everything. What's the difference if it's in your pocket and the other guy's pocket? So, we're going to see something similar. We're talking about he only donated it for its monetary value and it rebelled and flew away. asks him at the end of the day. It rebelled and the flew away. No, it didn't fly away. It flew away from you. But the is still there somewhere. He's that bird is in this world somewhere in some forest enjoying itself. But it's still lish. is the one that says the bird is nowhere. The the flies away. Says the is everywhere in the world. But we see that they say the exact opposite. It's very similar situation. Instead of on a chicken, the is on money. This 100 bill is for the monetary value for the mdo. They got lost. It's gone. says that the money the the chicken the douche is everywhere in the world it's somewhere it's not your problem all of a sudden he says over here you have to it is your problem the money you have to return to ah that $100 bill is in somebody else's pocket what difference if it's in my pocket and his pocket all pockets belong to the and you shouldn't be no it's a contradiction says There's no such thing as oh it's everywhere. It got lost. You have to pay the mdash. He literally uses word for word. He stole the frombi and he says no no the money is in somebody's pocket owns all pockets. It's a contradiction. says he heard these words from therefore he's repeating them. He retracted his initial thing. He believes that all pockets are the same. All forests are the same. Doesn't matter if the bird is in your house or in the forest. It belongs to the contradiction says. Oh, so anybody that's part of MDY knows there's a massive difference between a person that says I accept upon myself to bring the an animal to or if a person says I'm bring this animal there. So if he says on this money as real if he says does he have to pay for the mana or not? >> Yeah. >> Very good. By the birds is zoo. So if the bird gets lost does he have to pay another one is real? No. Wait a minute. How could argue with this? It says mafurish. What's the difference between a nether and in the nether here? We have this thing. Yeah. The zoo. So he he put it on himself. The onus is on him. The animal gets lost. Too bad. You have to bring another one. He points to this animal. And if it goes bye-bye, you don't have to buy bring another one. If it dies, you have to bring another one. If you say, you say it's upon me to bring this, what does it mean? Not to say a word and to make this animal. is to literally bring it to the if he didn't bring it to the he didn't do a just saying something and making something's garnished. But when it comes to monetary value that you don't have to bring into why if you say you don't because you designated this for the now you don't know where it is. That's not your problem. It's somewhere. It's in world somewhere and you did your job. It says what? It's like zoo this. Next one is interesting. Can you bring a a house as a carbon? No. So obviously he meant it should be for the upkeep upkeep of the is the case of even as will tell you when you say zoo and the house goes you don't have to bring another one cuz he says only this you didn't say me you point to the house but if a person says and it's talking about it's not talking about the several of it's talking A house is only for the monetary value. So there's a cash. You see over here even when you give [clears throat] it's says it's somewhere in the world. Who cares? Somewhere in the world. And over here it says no you have to pay. The last this is when the house fell and therefore there's zero left in the world. The whole is my money. I g donated money to it's in his pocket. It's in the guy's pocket. I don't know where it is, but it's in his pocket. Hashem knows where it is. But over here, the house fell down. What's the value now that after the house fell down? A big zero. But if it's available, it's in the world, then at the end of the day, we got to turn the page. There's no way we're not going to turn. We got to turn and then we'll just stay there. What's this? This is the original chart that when you are you say my you say you look at a guy here in the room you say oh I want to give that amount to the bish now you look at him if he's 60 years old so you go to the top he's a zakar he's in this room right he's a zar look oh above 60 he's worth 15 I just want to make him feel a little bad below 60 he's worth 50 there's a little bit of a drop there from 50 to 15 what happens if a guy puts aside money he puts aside money and it gets lost it gets lost so And he says everybody agrees that if it gets lost, you're not the is going to flip that around and says it was a mistake. The word doesn't apply here. Everybody agrees that you're But now we say everybody agrees. There's no way to say to say it without the word lie. You have to say a lie. So a lie doesn't prove that you really that that it's on you. As he explained to us, he said a lie. It's on you. You have to say the word lie. How you going to say it? What are you going to say? >> What do you mean? A guy says what? You have to say a lie. He's going to say I want his that guy's a man. Who's going to pay for it? Who? What? It's not true. You don't have to say the word. I have a way to say without a line that you he didn't say a lie me in my in my worth my value or me me in his value and you understand he's talking about the in addition says so when a person has fruit >> after separating truma the gdola and messer rishon we take 10% of the remaining crop this is [music] micser sheni these are holy fruits which must be brought up to yushaim and eaten in a state of tahara but if the [music] farmer lives far away and it's too difficult to carry all the produce to yushalim the halaka allows him to redeem [music] them this way he transfers the kaduca from the fruits onto the money it's important to remember when a person redeems his own Micer fruits. He must add a homish. With the money that has now absorbed the kaduca, he goes up to Yusha life. [music] There he uses the money to buy new fruits or other food. And the kaduca [music] transfers from the coins to the newly bought fruits. And now when he is finally in Yusha, he eats the micer sheni fruits in Tahara with kaduca and with great joy. >> Okay. So the 10% you you don't want to bring it up to it's too heavy. So you transfer that into money the money becomes and it got lost. Now what do you do? Got stolen lost. You could transfer you don't have to you don't have to pay the or or do it again and buy fruit in your slime again. The money I lost the same applies to that you don't have to pay for the money that you said that man whatever he's worth 15 or 50 whatever it's worth that money got lost. Maybe you don't have to replace it. You do have to replace it. So how are you telling me that you don't have to replace it? There's no there is that you you are responsible until it goes to the the says you're right. Oh no, there is a responsibility. If you lose it, you have to pay for it. Have a wonderful day. Meaningful. >> Merit this of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdyop.com.