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Today's is
and we are at the first wide line eight
lines from the top of
so yesterday we began the ninth
and as mentioned yesterday
deals primarily with the
of
and it begins with a very specific
a that's discussed in
and that is that we know that food can
become tom food can also transmit to. In
order for food to become tom or transmit
to it has to have a the isa even though
ordinarily
is but when it comes to
the question is what happens with
regards to appendages of food. So for
example, you have a fruit. A fruit has a
stem. The stem of the fruit, how do you
look at that as it relates to the fruit
with regards to a perspective? Is it to
the is it notif? If the stem of a fruit
touches, does that make the fruit to? If
the fruit is and something to touches
the stem of the fruit, does that thing
now become? What about the peel of a
fruit or the hide of an animal? Is that
mitar? is a nitar. Does that have the
ability to be mighty to does that have
the ability to be macho? What about here
fuzz that fruit sometimes has? How do
you look at that? And as we saw
yesterday, there really three categories
when you talk about appendages of food.
The first is called a yad. The second is
called a shy. And the third one is
neither a yad or a shy. A yad is an
appendage to food whose purpose is to
help you grasp the food. The perfect
example of that is the stem of the
fruit. Another example would be the bone
of meat. So a bone that has marrow
inside it is treated a little bit
differently. But a bone for example that
has no marrow inside. So what's the
purpose of the bone? You use the t-bone
to be able to to carry the piece of
meat. So that would be considered a
of
is that it's notarif to the but at the
same time it's
which means that if something touches
the yad of a
through the
will go out it will be the tummy will be
through it. The same as in the reverse.
If the yad of this do would touch a dom,
it would have the ability to suck in the
toma. It would have ability to be mus.
That's the second category. That's
something that isn't just an appendage
in the sense that it's used to grasp the
food, but it actually protects the food
because it protects the food. So, hal
treats it a little bit more like the
fruit. And therefore, not only does it
have an ability to be
into the food, but it also is
to the of the food itself. Something
that's not a and something that's not a
sh that is certainly not mitarif to the
shir with regards to to it doesn't also
doesn't have the ability to be and again
that's a little bit of what we saw
yesterday and the gar is going to go
into this in a lot more detail. One
other thing that we need as far as an
introduction goes and that is the Mishna
immediately compared and contrasted to
so is when you have a piece of food that
it comes in contact with it becomes and
has an ability to transmit to
is it is it is it
these are all familiar all that we're
somewhat familiar with but there's
another type of toma that relates to
food that's a very different type of And
that's so a
that's the primary difference between a
and a and a both but a being that it
didn't have a
oso is tomas
is different than the main difference is
that
is
ne is
another difference as it relates to our
is that we As we mentioned briefly and
we'll see it in much better detail in
today's d that the of isar to the sheer
of the of is notar to the kaz as it
relates to neo. So again, we're dealing
with the of Tomas and Tomas. We're
dealing with the of and these are
appendages of how they relate to the
itself and to the itself from the
perspective of you have to look at it
from the perspective.
Doesn't it have an ability to be mitzy?
Does it have an ability to be macho?
a lot of we're going to see in today's
is going to mention many additionally
we're going to have we're going to have
we're going to have
it's just it's not an easy these that
are coming now require real just one
says that
they're also
says that the
correspond to the
he goes so far as to say that if you if
you count the
1 through3 they correspond to a specific
[clears throat]
one through
says the
second of the
isale
he says as
say that when Miriam was a when Miriam
was the says
that invoked the shame the mida of kale
because kale is the mid of kale is the
mid with which
this morning's staff and the li the very
difficult li
of
on that note.
We learned in a Mishna where's this
Mishna? So if it's not familiar, it's
because it's the first.
So we're familiar with a lot of the
first Mishnas of of many
anything that is a yad. So it's an
appendage to food. It's a yad but it's
not a
it could become it's meaning if the yad
of food that's touches
it will now become additionally if the
yad of food that's touches it's mame to
means it's machn that's a term that is
going to use a lot means it's
like
means It's
means it's
but it's not to
something's an appendage to a food but
it's also a to the food. protects the
food. Even if it's not
it's
more than it's even
what if something's not a
it's not it's not certainly it's not
going to be says the
so what's the so we discuss what's the
this is the other so either way this is
it's a this is
In the end of paras the says
so the over there is discussing
and the says that in order for food to
become it first has to check off the
box. So you have to make sure that it's
how does food become it becomes wet. The
owner of the food either is the one who
made it wet or at the very least he saw
it become wet and he was happy there was
with the fact that it was wet. The point
is it first has to become what it says.
This may is going to be on zer on food.
And afterwards the of one of the
will land on this food
they will be but the says
what does mean
the you see from here that the doesn't
necessarily have to fall on the food
itself but meaning
any part of the food that you use would
be included in the definition of food
being that of food is something that's
part of the food in the practical usage
sense. You carry the food sometimes by
its yad. So for that reason it's
included in this passing and that's how
you know that the yad of food is
included in the definition of food as it
relates to thus says there's another
and that is actually the very next and
it's also in the end of and the there is
discussing
and there too the uses the word in the
context of and we learn from
two words of and two different
that say the word which we're saying
means
so to be what do I do with those two
so I could be
one to tell me that the has an ability
to be
so if you have a food which is and to
comes in contact with the yad the yad
will allow the food that it's attached
to to become y has an ability to be mak
it also has an ability to be moy if you
have the yad of food that's already and
now it touches something else through
the it will transmit to so
again how do I have two of two words of
from two different okay
as it relates to that has an ability to
be for that I don't need a
I could learn
which doesn't have the ability to began
think more than so which doesn't protect
has an ability to be mus certainly a
which does protect should have the
ability to be if that's the case the
continues we'll explain all this
so why then did the tra even mention a p
about chime now when did the mention a p
about that was yesterday's d that was on
the bottom of
where the Gumar brought a from the it
says with regards to food that one of
the that of one of the fell on it but it
wasn't wet yet. So the over there said
it's going to be the was
why is it what do you mean then a veil
of one of the fell on it the say because
it wasn't wet afterwards the Torah says
then but if it wasn't wet then it's
going to be and the was very wordy it
says
and we learned from the words that the
way we look at food from a from from a
tumas perspective is how would you plant
this food not how would you eat the food
how would you plant this food and if you
were going to take a stalk of wheat and
you were going to plant it you would
plant it in its husk you would plant it
with its around it so you see that the
is considered part of the food so now
bother with a question if I have a pik
that tells me that the yad of food is
included in the definition of food both
then why do I need that
on the bottom of
why do I need to tell me that a is
considered food. If a is considered
food, certainly a is considered food.
Didn't we just say that I know from
the you know what that must be coming to
teach me? It's coming to teach me that
has even more than a is considered food
as relates to being
but a is considered food even for more
than that. It's even considered food to
be midf. So pause not period and
certainly not exhale but just pause for
one moment. So we started with a right
today's started with aishna is the first
theishna said as follows that anything
that's an appendage to food. If it's a
yad is it's
considered part and parcel of the food
as relates to bringing to into the food
and taking to out of the food. However,
it's not it's not.
So, if you don't have a without the stem
or without the bone, it wouldn't be
it's also and the question is how do you
know all this? I'll tell you how you
know all this. It's all it's based
really on I have two that tell me that
has is considered part of food as it
relates to
I have another
what do I need two for one to tell me
that it could be one to tell me that it
could be okay so that's how I know
if I know
then I know that is also because is more
a part of food than y is the fact that
the protects that makes it more a part
of the food. Thus once I know I know as
well stating that I have a third the
more yesterday I'll call
a z and from that you learn that is
considered part of food. What's that
coming to tell me? It's not coming to
tell me that it's I know that from so
what then is it coming to tell me it's
coming to tell me that it's to the so I
therefore then have a
to tell me that yad is food once I know
with regards to I know I also have a to
tell me that has been starve I don't
have a pos that tells me y is starve I
can't learn yad from because is more
than yad I can learn from yad but I
can't learn yad from so this is but it's
it's pretty straightforward at this
point and therefore says the gam
everything I know that is if that's the
case I know that is I have an extra of
is probably coming to tell me that it's
I don't have a telling me that is
that is the biblical source to the first
Mishna and but the gar has a problem and
the gumar is going to discuss its
problem with this really all the way
till the bottom of the
thing.
Maybe Yad only has an ability to be
musy.
Now, didn't we just say and if you have
that one is telling me that it's one is
telling me that it's how could the now
suggest
Rashi asks and Rashi says that but one
of the were regarding
the second was
which is discussing we already saw in
the very briefly that
and are not one and the same they're
different and being that and are not one
and the same maybe I don't have an extra
p maybe I have one by I have one by
Thomas so if I only have one by Tomas
so which is what the first mission is
discussing it's not discussing Thomas
it's discussing Tomas so maybe the one
that I have is teaching me machning me
if that's the case I know that a is also
mach and I know is machn
I'll also know that is because I have an
extra by the said I'll
a but if that's the case I don't have a
to because which that the mentioned do I
not know of I don't have a to tell me
that could be because I now only have
one for and I use it to bear
I also don't have an extra of to tell me
that could bear to because the extra of
I just used to tell me that could be
says
So the says it's a nice attempt but
really it doesn't work because it's not
possible to say that would be able to be
mus but not be able to be why it's just
in doesn't work
if I know that could be m it certainly
should be able to bear is assuming in
that it's easier to be mighty than it is
to be m it's a bigish that something
could bring to in than to say that
something can bring to out and as a
result says the if I had one and it's
teaching me then I would know so if I
would know I would know
I would know which means that I would
use to tell me that it's but the asks
the obvious comeback and that is okay so
it's true if I have one and I used it to
to teach me that y could be machn I know
for sure that it could be mitzy but how
do you know the one yad is coming to
teach me that It's
maybe the one's teaching me that it's
not. And if that's the case, I know
I also know because the I'm going to use
now to teach me that it's
but I don't have a then to tell me
because I only have one and I don't have
a mar to tell me that could bear because
how did I know could bear from the
extra? I need the extra to tell me that
it could be
So the says I hear but at the same time
even if you want to tell me even if you
want to tell me that the two that we
thought we had for really only one
because that one is discussing and the
other one is discussing I can't learn
from as per the first in the but I still
have an extra mention of I I still have
a second
and that's also a
it's also discussing it says says
it's discussing a such as one of the
that falls into a tan into an oven tan
with two different types of ovens that
were common back in the day and the pik
says that if one of the falls into a
there's a special type of
even if it only falls into the of the
tanner that's enough for it to transmit
But the point is the uses the magic word
there again. It says
what does mean?
So again I have an extra of I have an
extra one teaches me one teaches me once
I know
if that's the case what do I do with the
actual is coming to tell me that so
again all the is saying is is that we
said we have a to the first
what's the so we said it's made up of
teach me this whole mission it's five
but only three are needed based on so
what's the it says once with regards to
twice with regards to one teaches me one
teaches me if I know could be
if that's the case why the have to
mention something about is probably
coming to teach me that it could also be
the question was where do you have two
so one is one is that's not an extra
there's no way You can learn one from
the other. It says the I hear but I have
another extra P. It says
also in the context of why the mention
and then again by
which is of the or that are inside the
Tanner must be one is extra again. So
one
of is going to be extra. But the
Gomorrah says I disagree.
There's nothing extra over here. Meaning
if you do a little bit of a a recap,
what you have is three
mentions of one regarding good
oldfashioned
one regarding
and then the third one with regards to
is going to discuss now that none of
these are extra because I can never
learn one from the other. Each one has
its own unique qualities that doesn't
allow me to learn one from the other.
Meaning which one do you want to say is
extra? Why are we saying one is extra?
If one is actually means you have two of
one
which is the busus that is the basis and
the premise for everything that we're
saying but the rest is none of them
actually
you want to mention
meaning let it mention by and I learn
from those two you can't cuz
how so says Rashi it's
because and food can become Tom even
from a right food could be reveal
can only become from an that's number
one it's from that was the first
and gave two examples of it so you
certainly can't learn either
or
say and learn the other ones from
Tanner
even if it doesn't make contact. That's
very big. You don't find such a concept
by
you don't find it by
maybe learn the other two from
the has a lot of number
whereas
can be
also this
it's a source of as opposed to became
from something else became from
something else. So as it relates to
these three say I think I need all
three. There's nothing extra. I don't
have one to teach me the one to teach
me. I need them all to teach me that by
their respective unique types of you
have but one not two but one it's true
you can't learn one from one but maybe
make
not mention
and learn from
between
what are you going to tell
has the three
but says he can't learn because
the two together have that they don't
have to become as opposed to food that
does have to be so I can never learn
from those two but
said that's not a good because
why is it that food needs to become wet
And in order for it to become
because the peri one of the basic rules
of toma is that a something has to be
complete in order for it to become when
something's in an incomplete state it
can't become fruit [snorts]
is considered to be incomplete until
it's wet when it gets wet that's the
aer has the same of now by being that
it's a utensil it's an oven it's not a
food so the way it becomes complete is
not by becoming wet but by being
finishing the actual work. But the
concept of
relates to just as much as it relates to
food. So you can't tell me that there's
a
that it doesn't require anything to make
it. That's a full statement. It does
require it's just not the same thing
that has to become. It doesn't have to
become what
if that's not different those two
they could become how so the of becomes
even from it doesn't have to touch
anything is the source of
so you can never learn out one for one
from either of you also can learn from
the says I hear but maybe you know where
the actual one is
why can I learn from the veil and from
I'll tell you what
they have that they're both what's not
clear but it's a unique quality that
they both have is obviously is also as
opposed to an oven is not food it's a
it's you bake food you cook food but
it's it's not food right
so maybe the one that's extra is maybe
let it not say and I'll learn from
and from says if that's the case why
have to say oh that's the extra one
so if I don't need it for I'll use it
for now why don't I need it for
because I could have learned no from the
other two so essentially I have an extra
yad if I have an extra does a little for
us nowades is
so I have two mentions of what are the
two theory mentions it by the mentions
it by
and then I have an extra one by extra
because at this point in the I could
learn from
between
and between
if that's the case I know
I know
when the Torah mentions an a
regarding yesterday's
that must be
and if so that's the at this point it
sounds like we have the but immediately
we're not even letting us come up for
breath rejects this
you can't learn
from
to say that it's extra to trigger the
whole because you need a because
I would have thought
meaning it's true to learn
from
and from
that's true but at the same time if I
would learn from says the I would know
that has an ability to be
but I would only know it as much as
could be. Now could be
right it's a source of toma but it can't
be
is a source of once it becomes but it
doesn't have an ability to be could be
how do I know that
can be
even for I can't learn that
this is classic
but the problem is there's a rule of
love
and if
don't have the ability to be
certainly their doesn't have an ability
to so I have no way to learn that would
be able to be so I need ya to teach me
that the yad has an ability even to be
so if that's the case I need
if that's the case says
So I don't have my
I'll tell you
there was one other that we didn't
mention yet this morning that we had in
yesterday's and that is the bottom of
the top of
so I'm sorry
the ratio of the of the way the came out
the mas teaches me that
the is to the as per everything we're
talking about this morning the first but
of is notarif to the kaz of stating that
there was a and the said that even
though the is not to the but the does
have an ability to be incidentally when
you talk about there's no mus
doesn't become you're only dealing with
you're dealing with is it mighty is a m
is a
But when you're dealing with all you're
dealing with is and
so there was a that teaches me that is
not and there was a that teaches me that
is
what do I need that for
why the mention
why doesn't it have to say because once
I know and I know
it's a you don't even have to learn it
from anything it's
Once I know
because
so if I know why have to mention this is
where we found something
told to me to tell me that
he said it's not that was the ratio of
that price
to tell me that
I
if I don't need it to teach me.
Let me use it for but I don't need it
for either because I have a
use for
I know I have a for that I have one by I
have one by what I needed for is to
teach me a second. Why a second? If I
only had one, I would think could be I
wouldn't know the could be. Now that I
have an extra I have
so if I know I know
why do I need the of
it must be it's and that's how I know
everything. But the Gumar says one sec I
don't think this is good because why
don't we say
you have an extra
of
which I don't need to tell me that the
has to be I know that from the fact that
has an ability to be soar says what do I
do with it if I have an extra that
teaches me that a
could be mighty
So if I know now that
could be because I already had one to
it. Now I have a secondar then the
is coming to teach me that it has an
ability to bear. But there was one leap
the gar said that I'm not so comfortable
with had we go from an extra by
to use it for
wouldn't it make more sense.
So if it's it's extra B I B I don't need
a BA. See you're right. I have to now I
have to place it somewhere. It's a
displaced Russia. I don't know what to
do with it. It's a it's a refugee. I I
have to do something with it. So I don't
know what to do with it. So it's that's
the where the is
why do I have a right to jump from
what I should do with it is and say
if that's the case so I have a to teach
me that
and to teach me that could be
but
and I could even learn how could I learn
Because the Pik of Alzer
zer a will still be extra with regards
to I'll [snorts] know that a could be
then I know from the one limit of if I
know that a could be could be I have the
extra of which
because
could only be and I know the could be so
certainly the could be mighty. So this
is an extra I'll apply it now to
to tell me that it could also be mach.
So if I'm using it for I can't use it
for I have to move it somewhere else. So
I'm going to use it now to tell me that
could be so I know that could be if
that's the case I know
which means I still have that extra.
So I have almost everything in the I
have four out of the five but I don't
have all five. What don't I have? How do
I know that could be
so says this didn't work. So at the end
of the day we started off we thought we
had a nice
after going through and
etc etc.
We're really back to where we started.
We're back to what is the Mishna. Okay,
what's the Mishna? very first
which says that the of could be and it
could be but it's not to the could be it
could be it could bear to what is the
says the you know what the is here we go
gives a very straightforward answer it's
not even a full line and it's very
simple as well we said said that the
Tyra mentioned Yad by Toba. There was
one mention of Yad, one with regards to
classic, one with regards to the to
one with regards to the however assumed
that if I only have one mention of the
word I would use it for the least.
See, use it for the least. What's the
least? That it could be mighty. It's
easier it's more cal for it to be mighty
then for it to be m so you use it for
the smallest what's the smallest it
could be mighty so I know that could be
I don't know that could be mus and being
that I don't know that could be mus it
causes problems what do you mean three
that tell me that could do something I
need three to tell me it could be
says no it's three distinct types of
toas that the mentioned it by and
they're all not the same and you can't
even make so at the end of the day the
said no the one that I have by the one
that I have by it's coming to teach me.
It's not coming to teach me.
You can't say that. You know why? Cuz
read the what does the say
is talking about the what happened? You
have food that's and then a veil fell on
it. As long as it was
you checked off the box now is going to
be are we talking about food being
we're talking about food being mas
that we're talking about food that's
beingness
READ IT'S NOT THAT I have one I don't
know what to do with this abstract
esoteric druss let's use no no it's very
clear what I'm what what The Tory is
telling me, the Tory is telling me a has
an ability to be if I know
could be because that is in the
beginning of the that is
so if I know Yad could be I know could
be m if I know could be m I know could
be m is a double I know could be mighty
could be m if y could be mighty or mness
should be able to be mighty or mness if
that's the case what do I need the
policy call
it must be it's come to tell me that
it's that is therefore the to the first
according to the first of the [laughter]
second
one second we're not done yet but we're
not up to the second
but another okay let's go back now we
had the of
what do I need for? That's just we're
just trying to reconcile everything now.
I know everything by as well because if
I know that is
I know that I'm sorry I know it's a
there is no
so I know is
I know anyways I have a for that. So
when the Tory the safe of the Bryce at
the end of yesterday's on the top of
what what do we need that form and
speaks if coming to tell me that
is a misnomer right because is never
it's always being
says the you're right but
even though you don't need it and it's
but there's a concept that holds
what's the next question if you're going
to tell me
as it relates to what does mean not of
what was the that is because the wrote
why the Torah have to write that I mean
what's it coming to teach me I know
everything how do I know it oh so maybe
the T is just telling me something I
already KNOW WHAT MAKES IT extra the
premise was it's extra being that it's
extra it must mean it's coming to teach
me a new what's the new it's maybe
there's something extra over here maybe
it's just
gives a simple answer.
You don't just say
that's like a last resort answer. So it
works and if you have a with nothing to
do with it. So then you could say
but to the extent it's something that
you
can something so as it relates to where
it's possible that is we'll use the
actual to tell me it's but by you can't
use it to tell me that the issu
that tells me that it's not to the ratio
of that price said
in all of his
clearly telling me that it's notar. So
if it's not what's the pik for? I have
nothing to do with it. Okay. No, no,
there's nothing wrong with that. You
could always say, but to the extent that
there's something to from it, then
certainly we're going to d either way.
That is the first mahalak of the gumar.
The second of the gum is a very short
mahalakiba
said different. He went back to one of
the that the garra made earlier and that
was that there was the
was extra right essentially according to
the first mahal and the garra there's
one thing that's extra we were able to
make sense of all the different and all
the different tucked away in the end of
able to make sense of every all the
everything seems to work out the only
thing that was extra is why the had
mentioned that the event was mighty to
and the had no choice but the
felt that dart is the to the he thought
that it's that extra that we learn
everything from meaning is extra so what
do you do with you know what you do with
I use it to tell me that
well how do I go from might see
right which is hard
to tell me that it could be what was
problem with that in the when the Gmorra
attempted to say that the Gmorra felt
that like have a right to make such a
jump the top line of
right if anything
How do you have a right to go?
Very simple because
is it really a or is it more treated
like a in it's more treated like a
because
it's not to
is also not. So we look at the
and that's where you have the extra. So
again the makus the first Mishna of
Makusen is either made up of
it says by
which talking specifically about food
being that was the first of the
talking about food being once I know
that a could be
if a could be
m if that's the case the I'll call
which is talking about is extra I don't
need it to tell me that it's I know that
must mean he's coming to tell me that
it's
a have a that tells me specifically that
is not to but either way that's the
first
it's really made up of it's made up of
tukim that are in succession of each
other incidentally the says that food
that wasn't wet that becomes that an aa
falls on is and the food that's and the
that says that food that was wet and a
fell on it becomes it's those that teach
me all five is mentioned in the
second
is that it says in the par of we don't
look at and say that is talking about no
maybe means
like the thought on the whole we're not
we're not going there that that we're
not looking at that We're saying there's
one lim that's it makes sense to say
that it's could be mighty. So I know yad
could be mighty from there. There's a
that says that a veil could be mighty
which I don't need because of a could be
mighty. I have a for that also. I know
that
could certainly bey
how do you go from
because like in the sense that it can't
bear unique in that it can't bear
could also not bear
that is notar th I
have what are the two one is the that it
says three times in three different
context that teaches me I have
Now I know
because I have two
calls that teaches me I don't need it to
teach me that's
so again I would know that that would be
the to teach me that
exhale. So the bottom line is is that
what was the that of could be we learned
that from the of
the over there teaches me that right the
way you go ahead
that's the definition of you take
you don't eat a but you would be
thus the definition of food as it
relates to would be in that sense.
So we all know what a pithm is according
to that's what a pitma means. So we go
that's the like the pithm of the aster.
So the pumm of the
that's like the fuzz around the pit area
that's notif
you'll tell me what do you mean it's
the problem is
like if the
is the says that's the way you plant it.
You don't plant a pomegranate by taking
the pomegranate with it to pit them and
putting it in the ground. Says another
how do you know it's
what's the the skin of the what? When
you planter,
right? So that what meat should grow in
your backyard. You plant it together
with your R. That's obviously not how
this works, right? So if that's the
point, so again, why is the R going to
bear? So how could the
is
it just doesn't I mean it works for I
mean there are examples of how it's
going to work, but what about the pit or
what about the skin that's on your meat?
So the gar says you have to say to
something else. It says I'll call
the dog. It says the word zer three
times in the ker one zer 2 three one one
is coming to teach me this type of shr
we will stop Snap.