Chulin 124

Today's daff is and we will begin three lines from the bottom of so we're moving along in and we're going to continue to discuss the now the majority of the d is going to be a he of last week's which is as it relates to andas But the is in the midst of its digression and that is discussing not but rather so the really began with a 28th per of the mission said a talis that was if you want this talis to be you would have to hear the majority of it as soon is the majority of the talis is torn. Whatever was inside this talis you no longer have to treat this talis as a talis that's to but rather the talus is going to be and has brought two important memories from the both of which are very this morning's the first was that if you have a talis that's and you hear the majority of it it becomes that's only if it was that's Not only if you tore the majority of it, but also the minority that you left was less than the size of a kirchief, but if you tore the majority of the tales, but the minority that you left was at least the it's still considered connected and as a result the talis is still going to be talking. That was the first. The second was continued and saidal the only time this is true that if you tear the majority of the talis and the way explained it you leave less than a we say the talis is that's if the talis was made out of cloth but if it was made out of leather then the isal it's considered attached it's considered a healthy talis so even though you tore the majority of it and you tore it so much that it's even that if it's made out of it's still going to be if you tear it so much that less than the shear of achiev it's going to be either way the brought three kashes that asked onish and we're going to pick up now with the fourth kasha murmia so asked A fourth question essentially onish again what's that this in the 28th of that says that if you have a talis and the majority of this talis is torn it was and you left over the says it's only if the talis was made out of cloth but if it was made out of it's still considered strong and as a result it's going to retain its stones from anotherishna kumishna That's an oven that became. So the says you're supposed to break it but not into two parts. You have to break it into three parts. Additionally, you have to remove all the plaster [cough] around the tanner. Meaning you have to do two things in order to metire the tana. Number one, you have to break it into at least three pieces. Number two, you have to remove the plaster. Now, the reason you have to remove the plaster is because if the plaster would still be on the outer part of the tanner, even if the tanner was broken, it would still be attached on some level. Unless you remove the plaster, the pieces of the tanner won't be completely detached from themselves. As a result, says the you have to do two things. Number one, number two, and that's going to be the critical point, you have to remove the plaster. It's not necessary to remove the plaster. What do you have to do? You have to make sure that there's no piece that's going to be for. So as long as you make the pieces less than says that's enough in order to be says it sounds like as long as you don't you don't have one piece of the tan that's going to be for that's enough for it to be tar even if you didn't remove the plaster. were the ones that said you have to do two things. You have to be additionally you have to remove the plaster. You don't have to remove the plaster. What's the how can you be if you didn't remove the plaster? If the plaster is still there, it means on some level it's still attached. If that's the case, why don't we say it's still attached and it's a meaning just like said that if you have a talis that's you tear the talis of the talis it's even you literally tore it almost 100%. But if it's made out of that is enough to say that you look at it as a and as a result it doesn't become despite the fact that you tore it. That is the with Rome in this Mishna because Rome says that you could be tanner by disassembling it to the point where you don't have one piece that's less than as long as there's nothing that's more than that's enough to say that the entire T is going to be but the is that even if there's still plaster around it means it's still on some level the plaster is to the Tor like the talis that's made out of because even though it's torn even though the tanner is broken but there's some The with the tanner is the plaster. The with the is the little bit that's still being that it's made out of R is considered some sort of so the cash is heard and he said I don't understand your question meaning it's a wonderful question is with but this two is in that this said in order to mire you have to do two things. You have to number one break the tanner into three pieces. Number two, you have to remove the plaster. Soon and why you asking a onish from Raor maybe bring a riot to the meaning it's true doesn't withk has a he has the how could you ask a kasha on how do you with the rap mayor in the fifth bar if there were no tan that argued with rap mayor so now you have an That's taking on that's not something he's allowed to do. But that is even very nicely with its that's the the majority opinion. You're asking cuz you don't know how to reconcile with that same Mishna that you're asking on I think is a riot because you see the is not enough to break the Tor even if you break it into three parts. there still if the plaster is still there. So you see this concept that is that the that the plaster would be said that has no relevance. What then is the mission referring to? said you have to read the was of the opinion that if the counter was according to everybody would hold even saying this but the point is said that it could be that everybody would agree that once the became if you want to be it wouldn't be enough to just break it into three parts even would agree you have to be what then is the mish was discussing something else it's not discussing a tanner that was already but rather we're discussing a that's and you want now to prevent your tanner from becoming you're doing something preventative otherwise is there something you could do to your tanner if you want to have it lying around to put it in a state where it won't be able to the answer is yes according to what you do is you divide it into three and [clears throat] you remove the plaster by doing that you're preventing it from coming to me said that you don't have to be you don't have to remove the plaster meaning you don't have to remove the plaster to prevent the t from becoming tommy but once the you would have to remove the plaster in order to be mat the bottom line is just told very simply he said that you're asking aash from that from if anything the support said I don't think that has a anyways not it's not Kasha mayor not from the that mish is discussing something else that mish is discussing preventative measures where you have a tanner that's you don't want it to become a tanner has to be in a certain state of completion in order for it to be if you want to prevent it from becoming what would be if already I think would say that everybody would agree everybody would hold that you have to be why because any little bit of as long as there's something there that's enough for it to still be and just like said that a talis that's made out of even if you tear the majority of it and even if there's so little remaining the fire is still going to be so too with regards to the he would say the same either way so we're digressing in discussing this in one of the digressions were that asked from. And now that we mention that Mishna, we're going to digress from our digression and ask aasha from that Mishna from another Mishna if that made any sense. Either way, [laughter] something more. So if you have a tan that became or the way Rob explained it, you want to prevent it from becoming according to the you have to do two things. Number one, number two, you have to remove the plaster. Argued argued said, you don't have to remove the plaster. You don't even have to divide it into three. What you have to do is you have to make sure there's no one piece that's going to be says in order for to be has to be if it's can't become. Additionally, if you have a T that was and now you want to be you have to break it to the point where there's no one piece that's going to be for [snorts] holds that it's all about when you're dealing with but what we want is this is all true if you have a in other words it sounds like agree that by it's all about but if you have a smaller the whole is less than it's a smaller as [snorts] long as it's a that's enough as soon as the work is complete with it in order for it to be and if it was and now you want to be mire it the way to be retired is by breaking it and you have to make sure that there's no one piece that represents the majority of the time as long as you do that that's the way you met become a culture he said it could be even a khu how small is a culture it could even be a tak so a small tanner guess there was something called like a large commercial oven and a smaller oven the the bigger of it has to be for the small the smaller one could be even a meaning that's what culture is and we didn't find that you have a so because they used to make says the kids used to play with them so either way there was a concept of an oven that's only a and that has a special place in but either way is the the if you want to be met after it became You just have to make sure that there's no piece that's going to be for but if there's going to be one piece that's going to be for that's going to be a problem. But it sounds like as long as there's not one piece that's fought for it's going to be what's the it's a blatant contradiction to the or to the mish that the brought on the bottom of in the bottom of the what did hold and over here what did the say it has to be it's not the same which one is it does it have to be or does it have to you have to say that it depends on how you break the sometimes it would have to be and sometimes it could even be it would be enough that as long as you don't have one piece that's going to be what does it depend on it depends if you would meaning [snorts] you broke it horizontally so you took the height and you just sliced it in half so now the height is cut into two Adistra means where you cut it vertically. So you chopped it in half. You didn't cut the height, but you cut it through the the the height remained the same. You just cut it into two pieces. What what's which Mishna is talking about? Which the Mishna that says that you have to have at least that's talking about where you cut it to its width. As long as you if you cut it to its width, even if you as long as you don't have one piece that's enough to be matared. If you cut it however vertically it was. So then if you have a piece that's it could be it would still be the only time it's going to be considered is if it was actually but continues digressing. So what was the last that we learned? This incidentally is also in the fifth parish. So the Mishna over there said that if you have a T in order for it to become it has to be what happens if it was Tommy already now you want to be Rome says that if you have a piece that's still it's going to be Tommy if it's then it's going to be said that it depends if it's a god well that's going to be the if it's a then it's not about as long as you break it to the point that there's no one piece that represents a majority of the tanner that's enough for it to be t says the rub How could you tell me that if you have of a small T which we defined was even as small as a it's still going to be as if to say the only time it's going to be is if it was a is worthless as how can you say that that's enough for it to still be Tommy right the idea of breaking something is you take away it it's but over here you're [laughter] telling me that if you have a that would enough for it still to be considered what's said you have to read the mission is a very big that when say that they're going back to if that's the case he can't even read the right let's try to read the way said it says that's and you want to be met you break it as long as you have pieces that are less than that's enough for it to be taught. I agree with you when it comes to a and then which says is going back to town if that's the case what saying meaning I agree it's totally and then they say it's a different share that it all depends on the on so which one is it says like it depends are we talking about a tanner that's seventh or a that's nim what's What does seven or nine have to do with anything? The point is are we talking about a Tanner where of the Tanner is [clears throat] going to be less than are we talking about a Tanner where the Tanner is going to be more than the punch line is that hold that you can never have a Tanner that's going to be if it's less than if you break the pieces and the pieces are now less than even if it's never going to be and the behind it is is because just like that Mishna Tanner doesn't become royal unless it's if you had a big Tor and you broke it and the pieces are less than it doesn't retain its there's a minimum share of so as a result if it's less than it's always going to be the question is where the Tanner was so big that of the Tanner is more than that if you make it less than it's going to So if it's less than even if the piece represents it's going to be because there's a minimum of as it relates to which the is if it's more than so it's n so now is four and a half plus so over there is that if you have a piece that's I don't care that it's meaning that it's not that's going to be enough for it to be t so is going to go if it's more than the then the shar is going to be but if is less and then the she is not going to be either way. Just one last piece as it relates to the suggestion of and that is that again the original if you have a talis that's now you're tearing it as long as you tear the majority of it that's enough for it to be and we said there were two members that said the second one was what we've discussed so far that's the but there was a first one as That was the only time this is true if you tore the majority of it and you didn't leave the amount that's left over. The minority is from the size of a kchief. But if you left over, it's still going to be talking as it relates to what said in the name of just the opposite that when the says that if you tear this palace that's so in the first you have to make sure that you didn't leave over because if you leave over I don't care if it's the bottom line is it's still going to be in still and it's on that that we stated. So this doesn't only impact what said it also impacts because according to the second commented on what said that this that you're telling me that if you left over even though you still it's going to be made it's only true foralis when you left over and it's made out of there it's going to be agrees that if you would hear it, even if it was made out of R, it would still be. The only time in this saying that there's a difference between is if you left over in the first if you left over it was it was coming anyways. So it wasn't that was only when you and it was even there said that is going to be in the in the only said so you have two things number one it's made out of it's over there said argued he said it's made out of and it's still it's going to So in this list there's only one not four if you have an a made out of sat on it. For example, if you had in mind now to take this mattress and do something with it, make something from it. You want to make shoes out of it. For example, as soon as you put the inside it, that's enough for it to say that it's different. It's not that majus anymore. And it's going to be Now you have to make it sounds like if you make it less it's enough for it to be taught. Why do you say it's holds that is so is more than so you see that even though it's a still it's going to be you see there's no difference between according to you that where it's going to be then why is it if you took this and you were it that's already enough to it you have to it more you have to make >> [snorts] >> This is something else. This is a piece of art that was used for which is why it was in the first place. So over there is not anymore. That's why it's enough to be said that has a little bit consider he was talking about a talis that was made out of talis that was made out of if it's enough for it to be exhale. So before we go v and go from kin back to so just [laughter] to interrupt the daf for one moment that is just you know one so we're learning we learned a whole week last week sug and this week is going to be another week of of that deal with of is clearly living up to its reputation and and the truth is that of are not really very no I We don't live in a world anymore of once upon a time there was a concept of and and was very much a part of everyday life. Today we're all anyways we're all there's no paradas from Tomas. So really the laws of today are not really very relevant. stating that just one that is yesterday was parasil discusses the par and the right in the beginning of has a little bit of a he says just interesting So we know is that four shabas between we have special creas. The purpose of these four the first was burnt which was actually the next day but the point is is that the of the was right in the beginning and [snorts] it's for that reason We read parishes. What's the idea of reading parishes says and it was related of course to the carbon. You can't bring carbon pes if you told me then you get bumped to pen. So obviously this is there's a pes in the because every has to bring a carbon pes you have to be in order to be the carbon if somebody has he needs alo the first which is but then says the punch line and for that reason that we read it's a It's a we're asking that we're us from the we have what's the fourth parial. So what's the idea of it's like a idea of element. But the point is that reading is an idea of being why we only say the already accentuated on some level. But either way says the idea of reading the four between and it's four completely unrelated ideas. One is the the which was Nissan time that was the fiscal year of always began that's the first so you have one for the second one is related to that's of course the third one is is the as we just mentioned and the fourth one is there's an idea being but what's interesting and the one that's in is that when Brewer brings the idea parishes he says What's the idea? So reading parro is a gather of I was thinking that it's the beginning is the rabb brings in as well. The Ramban famously argues says that is not a mitzvah but there's no stating that says that there are times when there is a mitzvah when if a person's in so there's a another you come together to dive into others even though feel is But you for sure says the Raman find an idea a concept [laughter] of Raman gives two examples far a little bit but there's two examples number one is number two is it could be this is another because some hold that of par is and what's the emphasis of reading says according to those that old parishes is a and [snorts] you know it's interesting so we don't have the today but we're ding that should should be and the reason is because it's that even though we don't have and the part of is not but the part of is We're all meaning we don't have but we have tum. So the part of the equation unfortunately we don't have but the tomb part of the equation we do have the brings in his that he believes that the Ariza was only able to come to the that he came to because aloi was meal himself to him and he sprinkled on him a from the paradum said it had to be that way it wasn't shy that somebody that's to somebody that's could have came to those the Ramban in his purish very famous the beginning of parishes right begins to be holy. What does it mean? says it means but Raman argues the Ramban says I don't think it means and Raman says this famous piece about no that even though the said this you're allowed to do this you're not allowed to do this is a mitzvah but there's also a concept of of the spirit of the law and not to be a >> [snorts] >> person should remember the terrible things that come from too much wine. So he's talking about the novel. He's talking about being yourself with moisters. says the Roman a person should be pish doesn't say anything about you see there's an idea there's an idea not to be mame because even though there's no is for a person to come unless you're a ken or another there's no is to be mama to a but at the same time when it creeps s into a person it it inhibits the person from being able to be massive his and as a result I think this is the the context that's important to properly appreciate what the mishab is saying that's why that even though we're and we have no ability right now to be mire ourselves and the fact that we're gets in the way it's a violation of like Ramban says it's it's not allowing us to be like [snorts] said where he was that must have somehow had a way to be himself. herish says and so perhaps whether it's orus it's I think it's very apppropo it's says we read parish's po right before pes so before pes as we come to yont So this is so learning right [laughter] is definitely I mean if listening to the master several is a feel I think haring in the harving on [snorts] certainly is a very least of either way back to to the of so the backdrop of the D last week was the very first Mishna. The Mishna said that if you have and you come in contact with either a yad to that to the so is the if it's a it's certainly meaning and have an ability to be and to be the difference between a is that a yad can bear to the whereas could be as it relates to the even doesn't have an ability it's burnt out from apostle another thing that we saw was a very important between said if you have a few pieces of food that together any piece that's doesn't have a yard and a on something that's not considered. It's an important is what the minimum share of is for it to be able to have a for it to be able to have a third thing that we saw a lot about last week and that is the concept of what is there's audition in the bar but the concept that the discussed in its greatest detail was so when you flay the skin of an animal so very often a little bit of meat is going to get caught brought together with the that was now removed from the animal and there's a special discussion in the as it relates to that does it have a kash does it not have a copy the laws of why not maybe being that you removed it when you were flame the animal there's a bit right like you could be even though it's here but this it loses it because you said it should bear it there's a concept of being and by flinging it you're thereby And again a very special place in as it relates again these three things that we just mentioned the discussed in in very great detail but either way that is the backdrop for the next part of the so there was that's the skin of an animal it had on it and if somebody touches one string of meat or somebody touches a here or maybe a bunch of hair as the discuss on the other side of the Tommy is he's going to become the reason he's going to become is because the here [snorts] is going to be deemed either a or doesn't matter. The bottom line is is that whether it's a or is thus if somebody comes in contact with this even for the only time is different than is with regards to being but as relates to being this where gets interesting. What happens if you have R and there were two half a that were attached he didn't have a Zas of B or N together one lump of of Zas attached to the but there was a halfas and there was another half of says if somebody would carry this that has the two halfim he'd be tomas for carrying the veil one of the unique qualities of the veil is you're not only to if you touch it but you're also if you carry it but if you merely touch it you wouldn't says you wouldn't be for touching it. You wouldn't be Tommy for carrying it. What happens if you have two half asim that not a touch to and you took aim you took like a toothpick or something a little rod and you attached them together and you move them then you're going to be masa the only time holds there's no ma or the two half attached to the R that's only if they were attached to R but if they were not attached to R but rather they're attached together with this key in that case Why? What's the difference between the reason we saw this on Friday? Because the is each half his keep holds that the half his eyes becomes bottled to hold it doesn't become if you keep hold it does become bottle to again what's this mish saying is false if you have and there's a kazer attached to the is if you come in contact through a here that's attached to the or through a piece of everyone holds you're going to be there's no shila you're going to be the question is where it wasn't one zas together there's two half his and they're attached to the ar if you touch the everybody holds it going to be there's no shy you're not going to be all discussed in if you carry it and according to [snorts] what's explained himself explain it better in the but in the missionary there's a one line where gave us a little he said because the is each half his eyes each half his eyes becomes bottled to the so you don't have any of his eyes and half his eyes to his eyes because each half his eyes somehow becomes ble to talk Allah said over the name this of the which that if you have a kaz of that's attached to the everybody agrees that if you come in contact now with this even if you touch a here that's attached to the you'll become that's only true if it was pus if this piece of art together with the baser was removed from the by but if let's say You were flaying the animal. You were removing the skin yourself professionally. An artisan did it. And a little bit of baser is now attached to it. In that case, it's going to be about did say that this is true that if somebody fllayed the and that's how the got detached where even if there's a kaz it's going to be bottled to the did he say even if it's bigger than kaz even if it's a means either or it's a scale and he said Even if this big I don't believe it or I believe it but was standing and he would tell this to me and I went to listen to him. It doesn't make sense. You saw a person I just picture the scene. You're you're removing the skin of an animal. You take off this huge glob of meat. See you're going to tell me because it was removed while I was playing the animal. It's it's not for said no way. If it's a small share, I can hear it. But once it's a kaz, I'm not hearing it. Certainly, if it's bigger than a kazayas and much bigger than a kazay said, that's what I heard from. So said, I hear, but I'm telling you, I don't care if said it. Even if was standing here and he would tell it to me, I wouldn't listen to what he said cuz it's not true. It's no way it's true. Theor says it was a postcript to the story. So met told him over this exchange that took place. He said he said that if somebody flays the skin of an animal there's a big piece of meat attached to it. It's bottled and he said told that I'm not said and even would tell it to me straight. I still wouldn't listen. So he told was of course an he said because he's an by the he feels he can talk so disrespectfully to he's being says there's more to the story was once walking and he sort of am sitting and he was dening and he said over the following So here you have said over from his grace. So he said that if if it was removed by fling it be said and he realized that he said he didn't say it on the when we started the look at the first had said over me on that even if you have a kaz AND IT'S SO BIG THAT PIECE OF meat we assume your what did say now saying it over but not under oh the is a whole different was each half maybe is not so turns to he said oh you had this memor so so [snorts] he turns to him does you have to know who's talking here so turns to he says oh meaning when you told me that said over the name in front Ra and Ra said even if TOLD TO ME HIMSELF I WOULDN'T BE MAD AND WAS VERY UPSET. He said, "Oh, because by the this is this is the way he talks." HE SAYS, "YEAH, YEAH, I SAID, "OH, said it on the not only do I agree with what said that if was standing here, I want to listen to even if standing here, I [laughter] still I still would have listened." stating that Robin when Robin came from to as we're all familiar with and all the other that went to learn in they came back to they all reported back from not like did under but rather on so what's going on over here it seems like had a major issue with saying it on the even right in the take two of the story he said oh to me I went to papa It's talking about where it's true was a kazayas but the kazayas was like a thin strip of meat. Now if you add up the volume or the size of the meat right it's it's a solid not a liquid but if you add it all up you'd end up with a kazayas but the point is being that the meat itself was was like so thin. So even though you had a kash still there's to say that maybe it was but let's start the next then we'll speak out some. So we have and you have this there's two half is according to masa no ma according to noas and no this is all true this that said that there's no ma that's if you touched it from the earth but let's say you touch the meat now you read the words it sounds like if you touch a halfas and then you touch a half it's like a but is not what it means. What it means is if you would touch both halves at the same time even though the halves are not attached thus it's no but if you touch both ss at the same time that would enough to be said certainly say that in such a case it's even if you touched she said the same >> [snorts] >> you had of that enters an oil. So what's now this oil? What happens if it was like a half and a half? They went in separately. So [snorts] says it's something. So you see that two half that enter at the same time. says so too are not going to bear for in other words said that in our says that there's no who said a half his eyes and half his eyes that enter together the same but they're just not attached [snorts] are not they're saying the same that you're notif as it relates to said that is true even if you touched it meaning this is the same as an question as if to say it sounds if anything is worse says it's not even so why say that only works within that says it's true meaning what is saying is it could be when it comes to the laws of maybe even more than the reason is the is because he holds that the becomes ble to the talking and move it. Why was it? only because the was the point is the point is says the it's only that we're in the blossom that if you have that has two half you're not going to be I would think you should be who holds two half attached to the there's no but there is mas Let's learn that from a says once there's no there can't be in the gave to explain here there's a a biblical source for it. He said I mean that there's no agrees there's no ma therefore there's no mass of him. Now if you're going to tell me that is right that even said there's no it's only if you didn't touch both or if you touched it of if you touch it from the front of how could you tell me it sounds like telling you're masking there's no maga so if there's no maga there's no mask no is going to say I'm not masking there's no maga oh there's no mask if you touch but if you touch him fun of If you touch a mu there's no maga but according to where if you touch it there is going to be so telling that if there's no mag there is you have to say what he meant to say is that the only time you have mass is if you have mag no matter which side you touch it on you touch it in the front you touch it in the back but being that you agree that if you touch it from behind there's not going to be too much mag there shouldn't be too much mass is the thigh bone and it's going to be the topic of tomorrow's d. So kulus that was stum it was closed off completely but there's marrow inside the thigh bone we saw this last week already that the kulus has mar has mar inside and as a result it's considered the bone is but there's this flesh inside so what's the ask the following question if you have according to does it become [snorts] or not what was he agree principally with that the only time you can have mass is you also have the reason in the mission holds that there's mass the two attached to the R is because there is says in the mission there's no like so there is or maybe doesn't hold at all so it doesn't have to be in there should be if you carry the unless you tell me that Greek princip that there's a in the even though there's no because it's only like or maybe he disagrees he doesn't hold it as so it's true there's no way to have because what's unique about the cool he can't have ma it's a cool how you going to touch the marrow so here it's not possible ma being that it's not possible ma is there masa or not if masa needs ma then there won't be masa if masa doesn't need mag then even though there's no ma maybe there will be masa so who asked this question Sabah asked this question to Rabbar Rafuno. So, here's the question. Look, there's an there's a raven flying on top. That was is just a nice way of changing the topic. [laughter] I didn't realize it was so simple. I didn't get this memo last Sunday. [laughter] The rabb who was rabbuna's son heard Rahuna ignore Saba's question. So, he told Isn't this the famous of from not from that? You said that he's a so why are you talking to him disrespectfully? He's a rabbi. He told him back in he told him he wasn't going to win today. So he told him a what did he mean to say? Rashi says interesting. He says he says I feel too today said he gave a big sh today was time and came to the he said he was wiped out he said didn't have to learn not an easy question if you would have asked me you know then it's one thing but you know to start delving into the depths of this and this is another example where you See even they were when it came to either way we'll end with one and we'll pick up the the crux of the rate of tomorrow and that is so on the bottom of that of so the said with regards to the bottle and He said over this seemed to say that it doesn't matter how big the piece of meat is. You have the of an animal is a huge piece of meat. It doesn't matter how big it is. It could be the size of a nafia. Apparently that was very big. The size of a seie is it's not subject to doesn't matter that it's an a there's no there's no ma there's nothing. Why not? Because we assume that when you slay the animal you and the heard this and he was very disturbed. He said, "That's a would tell it to me himself, I wouldn't listen to him." And then he heard the story and when he realized what the real story was, he took it a notch higher. He said, "Even tell it to me." What's interesting is why and if anything if you're trying to make a point you should say he's discussing the forb for somebody's talking to his friend and his friend tells him something he tells him he says a vert he says even if you were like I wouldn't Malo we give him because he was now sounds like he was maza the person right he's telling him even would say it right that's how little but the says that's not what does not mean he's being maza the person he's being himself because he's equating you can't even say words like this you can't even equate a person to soenu is 100% off limits that when it comes to using raenu in the text of telling someone you're saying you can't do that says what's the says the guy you know the it's why did you say okay you're not allowed to say because says it's not he says as he thinks the reason we said was for a whole different point in saying you're saying cuz we know from very good we speak out all the time that the pan says that was the doesn't have its own source of light all it does is reflect Yeshua was he was a he was a he was 100% says that's exactly what was saying EVEN IF IT WAS YESHUA WHO OBVIOUSLY HEARD IT FROM WHO STILL now to say about that would be like saying even though heard it from the says that you can't say and that's not what was saying was saying is but that's not what says in his and the truth is this is to what he says in just to end with one and this last week we ended off with a one day we didn't get back to it but this one will try to get back to and that says as follows and this is a well-known kasha but really it's a springboard to a lot of rain the in it says as follow and this is a no about this is a who already established himself with his and his and his that he is worthy of communicating with Hashem and prophesizing to the Jewish people this comes into bish one day and he wants to bear he wants to alter the says the wants to be he's not being but he is being he's coming there was a suffra he says told me that this is the way it is or he said something as subtle as that is like ra is says this is dead on arrival AND it doesn't matter what he did to prove his point. Why? Because by definition, by saying that Hashem came to me and told me to tell this to you, he's contradicting a because it says in part what it means to say is number one is referring to even though seems so daunting it's doable. But that is something that needs to be established doesn't come from. So this is saying that he had to tell him that by definition we know he's lying. So as a result says the ra and he's going to get but the bottom line is the bottom line is says the said what I see in this ra what I see in this is and that is that can never be determined by shay. So if there's a or doesn't matter what it is not to be not even to be so you can never be anything if that's the case I have a we know that there were two schools in there was shel there was bas and the gar said until a basal came out and the bas was that how could we know that is like based on a bas so much of our so much of the that we have in comes from a bas a bas that was like because like the world would look very different and it's all because of this bas is now why we talking about this now because the says you know what I think the it's amazing I mean this is something that everyone heard right but it says if you know what the makar is the is I think this writing right cuz what did mean when he said if would tell me I wouldn't listen to him he was going to say cuz in it doesn't make sense and the only thing is over me maybe he'll tell me he's I don't care and that was the punch line that he was trying TO SO IN OUR WE see amidst all the and all the you see another idea that can say we wouldn't be if it doesn't make sense to us we're not going to be if that's the case and that's the end of how is it that we based on why is that any different than if was standing and saying a in in what said that said they wouldn't be why says the cast of how The basketemazing.