Chulin 58

Today's is and we will begin from the last line of Zion. So the last discussed whether a female animal that's a so we know that a tra that's the which means that a traer can't live for 12 months. The question is if during those 12 months a can give birth or a ta cannot give birth. And we'll begin with the conclusion of that. The very last comment can have a child. Additionally, aer can get better. She can get healthier. Ultimately, she will die with audesh. during the bases and says the segway that is a tfo that's laying eggs which will hatch and eventually that will be the child the little chicky of this tarn the first the first wave of eggs that it hatches are going to be also mand But anything that hatches after that we're going to view as and it's going to be was discussing uh that's a tra that now laid an egg and the question is that egg that it laid do we look at it as being a ba of a tra in which case it's going to be as we spoke out when we went through the whole with the manaz it was predicated with the garra says based on that the comes out of a tra you would think should be a problem as well stating that say it's not so simple it really depends the is going to be anything that comes after that is going to be so first of all definition means any egg that was inside the already at the time that it became a tra so if at the time that the became a tra da It happened while she had an egg inside of her then the is that that egg is going to be but once she becomes a what happens afterwards I don't care and there's many in this number one why is it because we look at the and the beta as being one if the tagus is a tra that means the beta is going to have to be viewed as a tra as well stating that whatever happens after the already became a that isn't impacted by the of why very very big but for whatever happens after the becomes a that again won't impact its beta based on the reason then that the BA would be asser is because of the because This tra this thing that's asser brought this beta to life. However, being that the tanulus is not acting alone when it brings this beta and this this young tarny to life, but there's a zer involved as well. And it's only the tugas that's a tra however is not a tra. So we look at this as being the product of ad ander. It's what's known in ze something was brought about by and by whether or held and as a result even though the itself is a tra but being that the is not a tra it's for that reason whatever comes later is going to be mut. So again was that if you have a a notar that's a traa it now laid an egg that egg that how do you look at it do you look at it as being mut or do you look at it as being if the egg was inside the tarnas at the time that this egg was laid so then the is at the time that it became a tra then we say and is that the b is going to be us if it was not inside the at the time that the became a tra then we do not say even though it was in the after but it doesn't matter if it wasn't there when it became a that's enough that you should not say the reason it would be is because the is brought it about but being that it's true that was but there's a involved as well and is so we say and is going to is in a few moments. He's going to bring about a tra here. We're discussing a that's laying eggs. What about a regular animal that gives birth to its to its children that if the mother was a tra is it going to be and says both agree that the whole is only with regards to the flat of a but as it relates to everyone holds its and the reason is didn't say that it's only the but anything that happens afterwards is going to be with that bright that says both agree but at first glance what the could have said is that that bright is maybe discussing the it's discussing that first wave it's discussing the beta that was inside the at the time that it became a trick is going to ask the kash in a minute but for now the gar doesn't want to say that therefore distinguish between the sometimes it's sometimes it's from the m it's always going to be so the says it's talking out where the tarny was not stimulated by a zer and that's what ultimately got it to lay its egg but rather it was stimulated by the offer being that it was stimulated by the offer there's no the reason holds me is because would be if there's a then that's where you have the but if there's only one the other is the we don't look at as being or That's neither here nor there. So you can't say the So when we say that's talking about where you don't have how's that possible with the stimulation of the didn't come via rather it came simply from lying on the ground. Why you say the like we spoke out a moment ago? Why do we just say the Bryce is talking about the it's talking about the eggs that were inside the town of at the time that it became agreed that the is going to be says it wasn't mashed that way in because the of the sounds like the entire giddle happened meaning the beginning the middle and the end all took place when the was suggesting that it all started after the became a ta Definition of shakama is that the tarnless was a tra at the became a tra at the time that it already had a egg inside of it. If that was what the bryer was discussing then it would have said that the conclusion of it happened while the town of God was already a trad in order to reconcile this with finding a way that doesn't you have to say is it's talking about it says based on everything we just said you're going to have to say that as it relates to the following or we mentioned before this of Yeshua how you look at a tra now was mentioned specifically with regards to is that is not let it go on the if a person can't eat it then it can't go on the but is of impact as well a tra can't go on the what about a tra so this is is says it can't go on the muzz says it could go on the muzzle. What's going to be the beer in the so says a little bit of a tricky that based on what just said is going to have to explain the as follows. It's talking about where first the animal became a and then afterwards it was how so meaning there'd be two ways to understand in light of what we've been discussing. One case is where the animal became a while it was already mubaris. The other way to explain it would be is where the animal was first a tra and then afterwards it became a mubaris. If the revel is where the animal became a tra while it was a mubber what would be the beer in the it's not a case of because everything came about the animal when it became a she was not a wasn't a tra so there's no problem what would be then the what would be the reason it should be the reason it should be is because of so essentially would be or is the one That's the one that's which would mean that hold. So being that this is part of a it's and if that's the case then we have a problem because what did say which would mean that I mean it can't pass if however the iss that means that holds in which case it means that Yeshua It's very good because that's what we're supposed to pass. We never like we so as it relates to the there's two ways to learn. Either we're learning where the animal became a while it had the inside of it. That's the case. There's no or the is talking where it became after it was already a tra in which case there's no because like we said it's you don't say unless the animal became a tra while it had but what happens after it's a tra already doesn't impact the you don't say the for whatever reason of if that's the case what is the which one does a have to pick he has to pick the option because a poss And he also if he's passing that's not good. So clearly that's going to be the more preferable option. That's the way it's going to have to come learn at the end of the day's understand. So why did they argue? Could it go on the misbehave more? Could you eat it or could you not eat it? Why they arguing with regards to whether it could go if it's a okay and it's related to not but we're saying now that the according to is so that's not an exclusive you're right in theory the could have been mentioned even regarding because it impacts as well the reason it didn't say that way wanted to say Not only is why didn't we mention that holds its holds even more could have said we always pick whenever we want to bring out we speak out the of the of the not the right it's not it's such a to be a rash in the beginning of it's a much bigger to be a so it's it's more of And as a result to say over the sometimes even does that and as a result we wanted to say that holds it not only even but you're right it's not a this is not a that happened within the walls of of the where they learn this is not even though the manifest station of this particular is on the I cannot be on the but if you analyze it a little bit you dig deeper you understand the underlying principles of this it's really awesome now commented this is the part of the brought on the top of the mates why I So for why would it be over there but there was no there was one there was only one and that was the the that's why it's going to be it says held like that's the last comment of the previous that we began with on the bottom of who said that is able to have a And he had the version of what said the way the just presented it. Meaning what we just said that of the is all predicated on the fact that a could be because if a can't be we're not having this conversation. There's yeah because if she was a mubaris at the time that she became a tra then she'll be able to give birth but as it relates to there is no because she can't have a child. So was the one who presented the way just discussed it and it was all because he was like who holds that aes the problem is not everybody holds ra didn't hold like but he knew there was this me from now the me from makes no sense if you hold that what are we discussing the first wave the second wave the grandchild She's a traa. Once she's a DA, if she has a bay inside of her, yeah, that will hatch, but beyond that, we can't go further. As a result, he had no choice but to have a different gear, a different version of a soar is going to present a whole another said as follows. Biker if there's a tra of like this after she lays the first batch of eggs, the eggs that were inside of her at the time that she became a traer, we wait. If she is able to lay another wave of eggs, she's going to be mutter. Why is she going to be mutter? Because that's a that she's not a because being that so according to the ones that don't hold. So the fact that she's that's not a and if not she's so that's a completely different wasn't discussing he was discussing a and when he spoke about the completely different what he meant to say was that you wait till the passes because that's neither here nor there you want to see what happens after that after that if she's able to be again that would be a usually what do you do when you have a trade for the is going to say it on the bottom but we know this already we wait you so in the case of you don't necessarily have to wait there's a way to determine earlier that maybe she's not a tra how so if she's going to be the we had this could go on in the end of the it says that both as it relates to the that it's going to be and the reason is what's the kasha I thought is not so the kasha is on the premise of raino and thus his version of what I It's predicated on not being like how could not be what's if we have over here doesn't that by definition force us to say that a can have a child maybe that's talking about the maybe it's talking about the eggs that were already inside the tag of at the time that it became a trac of the dick that we had on top of the oven shouldn't have said gun. Gummer would suggest it was there. She just has to conclude the process of laying this egg. God sounds like the beginning, the middle and the end all happened after it was a tra I thought a trade is not. So the garra says no no you could change the word maybe the editing was wrong and it wasn't supposed to say it was supposed to say that that in of itself doesn't bother me. The garra says according to the way ra heard's based on the explained one way according to the first version of we're going to have to explain it differently in light of this new version of how so says again what's says has to be where it was then it became a tra why maybe it's talking about where first it became a and then it became a mis it's not possible there's no such so here it's very simple why you have to learn that way you have to say that the was where it was first like case where it was first and afterwards it was what then is the it's not because everything was mut over here at the time that it was gimm at the time that this vlad came into the ba the mother wasn't a tra father wasn't a tra so based on that there shouldn't be a problem so the says, "Why are they arguing whether you can put on you can't put on why don't they argue whether you can eat it as a not as a game says you're right who holds is going to hold that even with regard to why we saying the Yeshua thus arguing by argue by to tell me the holds the problem holds the problem even says when the price concluded and said when the price has said that both agree that the Bates of what's that talking about again there is no according to this why not because once the animals are tra it it can't be moled anymore my Okay. So obviously it's the what's the reason that the everybody holds it also meaning as it relates to an animal the so there you have a if it was while she was mubar whether but when it comes to the egg of a everybody holds it sounds like everybody holds by an egg says yes that's precisely the point my because the egg is more a part of the gof of the then a fetus is part of the gof of its mother and as a result even though argued as it relates to an ordinary but when it comes to the of the over here everybody is going to hold so what's the if you have a suffix the only way to resolve the suffic is by waiting that's what you do you have a safety you're not sure it is a tra it's not a the fact that that's a then it must be okay as relates to there's two things it's the earlier of whichever comes first or if it's able to have a child that too would be a that it's a so meaning if it's and pass that's the only time it's that but the point is is that by the only way to be m the is by waiting When it comes to an that aer is as a result a tra or suffic traa that would have a child. The fact that it was able to bear a child that would in it of itself be a that this tra is not a tra. Where this gets interesting is where the discusses in the context of a suffic in I mean we here said very very clearly anytime you have a suffices if pass and nothing happens that's a that it's not a butist we're talking about there was a suffic it's not a it is a it's not a was it or was it not okay so you're not sure you had a shila so you wait it was dar suffix dara right that's a classic case so you're not sure enough whatever so you wait your a good way to determine whether this animal is a tra or not. What if you have a suffic in the and you're not sure do we pass like the do you pass like the so maybe after it's going to be okay could you apply this principle to a suffik so we've spoken out already and again this tied into the whole milk da lda controversy and this was one of the big points that zat made in his chuva which was chuva but one of the things that he said there very very strongly was that the shak and theosh and the marshal and other all say that just like this is true for a suffic it's also true for a suffic so based on that if we would have a shila and we're not sure how to go about it in theory waiting would maybe be able to work and that was one of his that after these animals have their neckv in the ca it gets sewed up and he he that it's really whether it's a problem, not a problem. That's one of the that he says and he says the reality is they all live more than so they pass the test. Either way, this concludes the difficult part of the says any barrier any living creature that has no it has no bone it can't live. It means it just physically from when it's born naturally it can't live. From you can learn from him we can learn that is that if you have to that was growing out of vegetables or fruit that's a whole another conversation that was never on the ground. It was growing out of vegetables. So the is that if the vegetables themselves are attached to the ground then you can't eat this. If the vegetable itself was not attached to the ground when these these worms were growing from it, then there's going to be no problem to eat. Rashi says it's based really on later. We'll get to next week, but it's based on a that the only time you're not allowed to eat a if it's a but if it wasn't physically ever if it never touched the ground, then it'd be no to eat this or to eat these. So the question is what about a tail that grows quote unquote inside a fruit? Is it a problem? Is it not a problem? So depends. If the fruit is attached to the ground then we look at the as if it's going to be an issue. If the fruit itself is not attached to the ground, it's not going to be a problem. Says the gam. Okay. So based on continued and he said if you have dates that are inside a inside a barrel after 12 months it's definitely going to be mut to eat those dates. Mean what happened? You have a barrel of dates and now you found worms inside the dates and you're not sure were these worms once on the ground or were they not on the ground. If the if these dates were sealed inside a barrel for more than bases, then you have nothing to worry about. Why? Because if these worms had been on the ground previous to the wouldn't be around anymore based on this of so it must be that they came about during the which means that they were always in the fruit which was in the barrel. They were never it's based on that. He said, "So, very basing and important. There's no net that lives more than a day." So, the life expectancy of a net is is is 24 hours. There's no fly that can live more than a year. Is that true? A net can live more than a day. Don't people say Imra for seven years the female net was refusing the male mat the because she told him I noticed that you saw a person from who they were you know they had ash so you know they look good who came out of the water he bathed and then he wrapped himself in towels and you went and you sucked some of his blood right you took his blood and you didn't tell So she was very upset at him and it's for that reason for seven years. So he says what do you see from here? A net could live seven years. Right? We said the life expectancy of a net is is one day. Let me ask you another question. There's another saying the net was able to carry in the where he stings of of metal. Is that possible? I mean how much does the net itself weigh? How in the world is it walking around with this kind of luggage? Hello, you have to say we're speaking metaphorically. We mean in their monos there is such a number whatever the equivalent of seven years is for them. For us it might be an hour and a half but whatever it is for them that's the point but doesn't mean literally a that has five legs or it only has three legs. It's considered a and there's a very important we have to be what does means it can't go into impacts the laws but it sounds like it's not a sounds like it's only a meaning an extra leg or missing a leg would make it a not a that's only if it's one of its four legs also known as the hands of the animal but if it's one of its hind legs meaning one of its It's even going to be considered a and this is a very important principle in because anytime an animal has an extra a we have to look at it from a tra standpoint as if it didn't have that a and what would be the if an animal didn't have one of its hind legs it would be a tra it would it would be a tra thus if it has an extra regal it would be considered a as well. There was an animal that had two of the literally two parts of the meat that even the wolves ate. Remember that was one of the when discussed the so was the divi actually brought a French word to describe it. But the point is that the had two of them they brought he said bas principle of so two is like no divis no problem so thus two is going to be a problem if however these two they pour into each other then we look at it as one big thus it's not it's There was a little piece of meat. Rashi says it was a meat that was shaped a piece of flesh shaped like a tube that connected the and is the hems. Two of the four animals of two of the four stomachs of the animal thought it's a problem because there's something extra over here. So all the animals in the animal kingdom have this. This is not a traer. This is normal. have a car similar there was a gso again this tube like piece of this tube like a that connected the not in the but in this time this case the caris the rin again he wanted to be why didn't we just say that they all have this extra tube he said it with regards to the tube that connects the basis and the hems you want to to the tube that's you found in this animal that's connecting the basis and it's these are all different stoics and as a result you can't compare one to the other he was the chief butcher he once testified in front of regards to an animal that had two intestines that had two intestines that were coming out of its stomach it's a however it would be says Let's qualify this. It's only if it's coming out of two different parts. Again, if you have a picture, this is very helpful, but it's coming out of one part. We'll see what that means says the so where there's supposed to be one intestine. There were two two test two intestines, two coils of intestines. So the was who was the chief butcher in he once testified he was saying over there and he told there's a mess that we look at it as a traumar immediately qualified it that's only true if it's coming out of two but if it's coming out of one place and it's going to be cautious once said this that we said that if it's coming out of one place it's okay that's only if they end up joining again the other one said even if they don't end up joining again it's still going to be okay. It says that said that the only time it's okay if it's meaning when it's coming out of two different places it's a problem for sure we're talking about where the two intestines are coming out of the same place they're separate but they eventually join I understand what it means but what was the end of the suggesting that they have to join again that says that they don't have to join again what does that So he said what it means is that even though they don't have to join sounds like they're coming out of they have to immediately form into one doesn't have to be au but at the same time eventually they have to lead to the same place which is the rectum of the animal. So as long as it meets on the bottom even a sheer's worth but at the very bottom where it meets the rectum where everything is going to go out of the intestines as long as it meets over there that would be enough for it to be cautious said whether an that's missing its that's its feathers that are touching the animal whether that would be a reason for it to be a tra or not from the it sounded like No said it's going to be possible. That's the feather that's like attached to the skin of the of the bird. Says the same said that what does that mean? says Rashi seems to suggest that the no is looked at as the of the and if it's looked at as the of the it's for that reason that if you remove it it's possible because if you remove it now you're getting involved in the ofud which is but the point is the only way removing the feather of an would make the a problem a tra is if we look at the feather this that particular part of the feathers of the animal as being part of clearly that's so says the same and the context over here is real discussing that was brought with him where he had to eat the didn't go on the that's why he needed an but if someone had to eat the it would be ava's piggle now the only time you can have ava's piggle is if you had a mind to eat and it has to of course be part of the said that the of the to as it relates to the of what does it clearly hold that the night is part of the of the animal because if you look at it as something that's just covering the animal that it wouldn't bear to the as it relates to it's who said that the mitar to the gazle and raud who said that if an animal doesn't have its It turns it into a tra. We tap into the tra of said I don't think it's a nice it's a nice but I can very easily deflect it so that the night at the end of the day protects the it's not part of the skin you want to knowly speaking it's the but at the same time it protects it thus if it doesn't have it it's going to be realiz as it relates to pickle as it relates to at the end of the day I look at it as but as it relates to maybe it doesn't impact the the lifespan of the animal thus it doesn't make it a it's based on that says the even though loosely from a from a big picture perspective there would seem to be some sort of between and but if you think at it after further analysis.