Chulin 74

Today's isal and we are six lines from the bottom of today's being learned as a so we're moving along not the easiest in and we're discussing the of the Ben Pakua, the that are predicated on an idea that in the event that somebody the mother obviously becomes but not just the mother to as well. In the beginning of the paras brought not one but two how it is we know that this is the case regardless there is a that in the event that somebody becomes as well it's loosely known as the suga of the bmpakua although as we saw the bmpakuda is is a nuanced example of this. It's a case where when the was slaughtered the uber actually emerged alive it was and it lived in the bottom line is a lot of different that relate to the all of which are discussed over here in perash specifically just to frame where it is we're holding the Mishna and B brought a between that we saw already on the first staff of the and that is in the event that somebody and the was and the hand of the was outside at the time of the that's part that that hand is going to be the question however is with regards to the rest of the baser both the baser of the mother and the buser of the Uber. Is that buser going to now be Tommy or is it not going to be Tommy? mayor holds that being that the did not work for the one hand of the uber that was outside and again that's true alib it emerges that that hand is an avail if that's the case all the bus of the animal is a and it's for that reason as long as it was which the assumption usually is because there's blood at the time of the so all of that is now going to be the said that We don't view that one hand as being but rather we view that hand as being a meaning it's true but at the same time it's not just like a but at the same time it's not and just like a tra is not so too this hand is not going to be either now we did see in the previous staff that as much as it's true that according to the it's not an avail based on that it should be to But even a traa has certain levels of tommo with regards to kachum. So there is going to be a madrega of tommo that the hand is going to have which means that the bas which is also going to have some level of but it's not the same as bottom line is that was the is between the got involved in the of the so what's an it's talking about where you have an animal forget about aim bear just a regular good oldfashioned animal even a zar and it has an a that right now is hanging gone for dear life. So it's attached to the animal but at the same time it's and the it to this is between and meaning the Uber's hand that is outside of the behem at the time of the is a little bit similar to the a which is outside on some level the at the time of the there's the so to speak and there's the a and there was a discussion and in terms of how exactly the would relate to this is between but that was all yesterday's what we need for the segue to today's is that in the course of that said in the name and that is how everybody's that as it relates to the Abraham there's an idea that and at the same time but itself is not going to be so what does this mean that means in the event that you have a and this had an if the behemoth ends up dying notes we look at the mid as if it already fell off the animal while the animal was alive mis the me of the animal is it makes it as if while the animal was alive that already fell off. What's if you have a live animal where an fall falls off it's subject to the of so meaning that of the said that you want to know the no remain in the event that the animal ends up dying because that we're going to view that as if it fell off while it was still alive me says is going to be now just to be clear if mis was any so then you would view that a as being not eating this right whether it's you can't eat it you can only eat if you had if you don't come up with this huge that it fell off while it was alive well then it's a if you say you do subscribe to this bigish then it's going to be it's going to be as a matter of fact it's actually more by saying that it's as opposed to saying it's because of actually has to be an has we didn't learn the we're going to so it's actually a by saying but the bottom line is everybody agrees additionally everybody's that in the event that somebody an animal that is the animal that has an a that's medal when you go ahead and you don't say glory that this a already fell off while it was alive and therefore it should be treated now like a because so what does that mean that means the really is and it's going to be a now we saw briefly in yesterday's we'll see it a little bit better right now in the beginning of today's laugh that even though that but at the same time it's still going to be and the way both but the way both learn that is is only going to be but the bottom line is and this is what we need to start today's everybody's in the event that it dies. We're going to view that as if it's but at the same time if it has a then already it's going to be stating that it's going to be as we're going to see. He says, "I want you to make sure that you internalize this because this is very much you know how I know that because Barbarano also said this and being that Rabbaro also said this, this must be true." It's interesting says something in the name of doesn't need a apparently does and said meaning even though you might have never heard of and you're going to say to walk into say that is even hard to articulate even mean but that's said you know Why? Because it's the of every day he's said the same thing. And if he said the same thing again in the name of the great must be that's the way it is. So what's the background of what said you think you know what we learned from this? So we know already the three from last week's but says that in the event that there was an or there was that was whether it was a whether was in the event that you did is there going to be but here's the punch line that as much as we're saying but all there is is a mitzvah What does this mean? Top line. What do you see from here? So you see the also the name that we know is because even though he's walking in he's saying that is you would think should also be but it's a tailing you're making as much as it's and as much as maybe you're not sure whether you should accept and internalize this you should you know why because of is and if that's the case this must be the way it says the so we have as it relates to we heard it from two and from that says the now I'm going to tell you what is right you always want to know what ra has to say in a especially that already opined in so says I'll tell you another anecdote also involves involving this was sitting in the presence of and said over the following the name of somebody is he's going to get so there was one of the over there turns to and says don't listen to because I'm going to tell you what to say in the name that if somebody eats Abraham you're not going to get malusa sitting says in the name of Rav and then he hears like in the name of Rav so you know what to do asked this and he said so what should we do again was there he turned around means so he turns around he gets angry hold there's no steer over here when I said that you know what I was talking about I was talking about and you know why you're going to get that's what means when said in the name of that you're not going to get malus and you know why it's because holds which means by the way holds he makes this distinction between what is the we said before it's a huge right must have some source so I'm going to tell you the says now this is in the par of So you have the and it says that if a dead member of the falls on a food it's going to be now it says what's coming to be is coming to that the only time that is if they're dead but not if they're alive it says in the context over there. So we know it's dead. So why do we have to be you know what's coming to teach me ready for this as if we so take the word and take the word highlight those two words and by the way only but says and this incredible It's learned out from apostle and only heard. He turned to him and he said, "Come again. We're talking about like how in the world can you teach me from the parish of this has absolutely no aon." So it can't be that this is teaching me anything in can't be this. I don't know about any other either. I understand that at first glance this sounds like very farfetched but at the same time I have an extra word and that's one of the addresses and as a result that must be what's going on is not true. Don't I need the word to teach me another and that is the only time is if they're they are the way they were at the time that they died at the moment of death they were still somewhat somewhat moist after the time they eventually become right and that's a that the only time the is if not if and we learned that from means so there's nothing extra over here I need the word meaning you're right not to tell me that they have to be dead that I know from but I need to teach me that they have to be they have to be if you look in the parish it says the word twice it says the word twice and being that it says the word twice is coming to teach me what the that and the other one is coming to teach me that and this is going back to the we had between regarding an that was at the time of so we know that y is going to be remain whether that y is so that the rest of the bus is or whether that y is going to be and the rest of the bus is going to is when the was alive. But in the event that at the time of the Uber was dead already, everybody agrees that the is that right? we said before, but over here what it means is that as it relates to the a of the so we're going to look at it as if it was already dead prior to the of the mother which means that it's going to have a den of an a and for sure it's going to end up being meaning the only time there's a that holds that we only look at it as a is in the event that the was if it was so then already we say it's going to be okay if however was dead not what's this far if you look at being that when things are alive that's subject to so over here we'll say the is going to work I'll for that not to be because it's outside but at the very least for it to be but if it's dead being that there's is no. So therefore, we're going to say so to speak. We're going to look at it as and everyone's going to agree it's be a problem says noish there's no inkling anywhere of this distinction. And if you have whether it was and you went ahead and you did whether or not it's going to be whe it's going to be it's true whether the animal ends up dying if it doesn't end up dying. Either way going back to the Mishna. So the M mentioned regarding someone who the hand of the was outside at the time of the is that the hand is the rest of the is stating that the question is the rest of the and the mother also for that matter. Do we look at it as maga or do we look at it as maga? Now the Gmorra mentioned a little bit of a of a shhatario between Rome and the and from there the Mishna digressed a little bit and the Mishna got involved that how is it that we even know that if somebody shacks the is going to be meaning the whole predicates the fact that is that yet is it considered or is it considered it's going to be but that's the basis of this whole discussion that is going to be taught and the Mishna asked how do you know that when you think it's again these few lines here in said No, this mission doesn't only ask me. The mission asks it with a little bit of a pump. I even have a one of the that would seem to suggest that it should be because if somebody shs a non-coosher animal, it's physically tummy, right? The tomato going to be we mean that it's going to be impure. It's going to be Tomus. It's a little bit tricky. One of the things that are a little bit tricky, but either way, Titus the How do you know that if somebody shacks a kosher animal, that's a tra is going to be? Shouldn't we argue that if somebody shacks a non-coosher animal, what the Mishna refers to as a it's going to be should be the same way. as opposed to a tra that had a in other words which never had a therefore if you do it can't even be as opposed to a had a so the mission continued and the said take away your meaning that what you're saying is right that there is a distinction because one had a true even if it was so if that's the case in that situation it never had so what are you going to say over there's another distinction there's no time where is ever going to work even for this entire species as opposed to a tra being that if it's species if it wasn't a tra would be so therefore it's so that would be enough for it to be and that is seemingly the way the belief so you want to know right what's the to it and the kasha is shouldn't we argue that it should be like a behem The first was didn't have a shak had a kosher which the mission said I hear a little bit but it's not going to be of everything because at the end of the day and for that we had to come on to another and that is now rashi speaks out important rashi to understand we're about to learn and that is the Mishna never gave him a card. How you know that when you the is it becomes all the Mishna said was it's not a tome I would argue it should be like that the Mishna never gave and Rashi much with this a little bit in the Mishna and Rashi says that you have to say the is as follows you have to say the is that being that it says in the that if you go ahead and you bucket is it's going to be so really the assumption is that anytime you it's automatically going to be t whether it's going to be it's still going to be t. So unless you have a reasoning to tell me that it should not be tar the status quo it wakes up in the morning as being tar. We thought that there's a mamino that would argue that it should be a problem that there is no mamino but at the end of the day the reason it's really because of so it's a little bit on the like a very wordy but and it's a little because the reason that it's never even expressed the reason it's because you have a it's not by maybe it shouldn't be by either version one one is a problem that it never had a shasa the other had a shasa kosher. We had a little bit of an issue with that and as a result we had version two which is that one of them is and the other one is but once it's a and therefore based on the is that in the event that you do it's gonna be okay. But then the Mishna concluded with one last line. The Mishna said that in the event this is a little bit of that an animal gives birth to a live animal that was 8 months old. It gives birth to what's considered a neashi speaks out in the Mishna that behagasa has a similar pregnancy as does a human being. And just like when it comes to a human pregnancy back in the day, if a woman gave birth to a child in the eighth month, the child was considered a nal and it was presumed that it wasn't going to be able to live. When it comes to gasa and an animal, it's going to be the same thing. So the mission is talking about gossip. But the bottom line is even if it gave birth regular aged is there if you do the is not going to be which means it's going to be and it's even going to be and the reason is because there's no and that there's no so it's for that reason it's not going to be okay. Now this is the last line of the Mishna and it's to what the previously said the Mishna said that if somebody is it's somebody a it's not what's the version 2.0 you know, one is the other one's the trait is because if it wasn't a trait for this identical would be so therefore the even though it can't be because that's a pos but at the very least it could be as opposed to the there is no therefore it's going to not be included in and therefore it's going to be as it relates to a ben so over the campire because we view it now as a living so to speak. What about it? Can't be mate because we view it as a living. What about could it be says is it to the or is it to the it's to the and the reason is because there's never a situation where you're going to have an 8-month-old that you're going to be able and that's what is and therefore I look at it as a I don't look at it as and it's also to So too when it comes to the last line of the Mishna that the begins now and asks the meaning over there now we need a background for this says it's a but really you have to see that inside to fully appreciate it but just the short version of it is that Bryson mirrors our Mishna and in that mish apparis the exact sharia of what's the between a behemoth and a bea is playing itself out. Why is it that a behaora is also even after the as opposed to aa is not and the mentions the first suggestion that we had in our this second suggestion as well when it comes to the second suggestion even though our was satisfied with it but the invite how could you tell me that the between and is that one is the other one is an animal that's born 8 months old. By the way, this animal was just born 8 months old. Nothing to do with pimpur, right? Just a regular animal that was born 8 months old that was born 8 months old. Even though it has been still you see the is not what's the is that you see that the time of this price was of the opinion that a benino is considered now why would you say it's considered because it's a regular kosher animal if it was one month older then it would be subject to regular koshita not only wouldn't it not be to be able to eat it as well nvas in our mission for some reason the benmina was viewed as its own mitt. I mean that you'll never find a gasa that's 8 months old when it was born or was born 8 month where it's going to be therefore we viewed it as an but the see hell not that way and by the way I could sus right I mean if anything the maybe is even a little bit more logical but again who are we to be the bottom line is seems to be of the opinion that is the crisis has murish that is now notice the are both coming out and also it's not going to be our Mishna said it because being that it's aimed so it's like the right is tricky stuff but it's like the the used it as a the holds that it's and asked it as a kasha if that's the case it can be the man is that one is cuz I found an example of something that's and still it's going to be that it's going to be that's not the is that in our is considered an is considered a so the bottom line is how do you and additionally right if you want to just add a to the is that in a way you can almost argue that the Mishna is Right? Because you don't find anywhere you don't find anywhere that there's a bino when it's a ben. So if that's the case, what exactly is the over that of the really holds that there is never a situation where it could be a ben but at the same time you'll be able to and it's going to be okay. But being that aim if it had not been shakut after it emerged but you shed the mother and the uber was inside the mother and the uber was eight months old at that point it would have been that it would have been so that's where you find that it's a holds it why don't we say that it's soar says he holds the fact that it's that in of itself is not going to be okay. In other words, we had a a little bit of a steer over here. Do you view the Ben as being or do you view it as being our Mishna holds it? The town of the BR holds it. The only time it's going to be considered is if you could find a bench where you find the T of the B hold you have it. You know where you have it. If you shack the mother, it's going to be as opposed to the count of ours that in itself is not enough of a reason and it's for that reason it's not going to be okay. But it's ostensibly because it's going to be it's going to be the question is is this consistent with the distinction that was suggesting between and between the or is it a on that distinction you'd have to come up with some other but the bottom line is it's the same and there's TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT IT. THE ONLY way it's going to be considered is like what the T of the Mishna holds and that you have to find where is the T of the B is the T of that's not considered that's going to be the according to the T of the B so at the end of the day what is the T that is matar meaning you have a pira right we just said there's a pira the Mishna said that what's the mar the mar is thr out from right okay but it should be the same should be true when it comes to as well the is no it's very different this is but according to the time of the price of that holds that is considered so you see that the doesn't work at all. So this shouldn't be that either. So again it says but the cash is you have to come out to some sort of then the says so we're talking about here and it says always means we learn from here there are certain that there are certain even though you're not let them but they're not That's referring to the traumatar and that's how I know it's at the end of the day the t of our mishna like rashi spokishna holds that what's the mar that the of isop from it's learned from the fact that it says the whole shack of in the mishna is only why don't we learn from a non-cooser animal that the doesn't work at all so it shouldn't work here either and for that we had a kilik the is a non-coosher animal is you don't find anywhere where is going to work as opposed to the kosher animal if it's not a tifa it's it's going to work the t of the bisa can't learn that way the reason the ba can't learn that way is because the t of the holds that an 8mon old or a behema that's born in the eighth month of pregnancy no a that's more than the eighth month of pregnancy is if you it's going to be and it's going to be which nobody disagrees with but kind of the ice and holds and lumbus that's considered where's if it was not born and it stayed inside the mother's womb and you would have shed the mother because of it would have been and you see it's not you see even still it's It's related to the is an ibaya that's talking to the Mishna that we're about to learn on the bottom of the so why would the do that it's because we know this Mishna already it came up superficially already a few times here in the background is and that is what happens in the event that somebody and the Uber walks out alive and it was the literal Ben Ra holds that This benur requires without you're not let it hold that it's going to be okay. It's in other words according to although there's there is a there's a but it does not relate to an animal that was and that lived it survived the in that situation that is not going to apply to is going to apply as well. So with that backdrop had the following. What would be if the stuck his hand inside the of the mother and there was a live animal. It was and he went and is this going to be m or is this not going to be m meaning is it does it not? You did a regular but it was inside the says the and really this has nothing to do with in fact you can clear it's going to be okay and it's going to be okay and that going to it's not going to be okay it's not going to be okay has nothing to do why so the says like this mayor because even mayor that said that what that requires When is that true? That's what over there it certainly would not require yet and if that's the case maybe the is not even going to help meaning it could be even though a mayor holds that there's a mus of a bakua it could be that's only true if it was but let's say you would shack it and the animal would have died while it was inside the for sure it would be right it's only when it's so it sounds like it's the that maybe is what gives it the status of the which according to a mayor is not a so if that's the case if you went into the of the mother and you went ahead and you did the over there it could be there it's still considered part of the mother it's considered right because if you would check then it would die in that spot it would for sure we'll see in a in a minute but we know that right so it could be over there it's for sure not considered its own and if it's not considered its own behugging that being that if you would check the mother the would be so even if you shar it's not going to be okay because it's almost like not viewed as regular see more about this in the so not considered regular and it's for that reason it's not going to be okay maybe I feel maybe you could argue the opposite even the hold that where It's still but it could be that doesn't mean that if you went ahead and you it's not going to be a good of course could be says the it could be when the gave this it meant that there's two different ways or four that you can sever that would can be considered usually has two sim you could sh them you could check over just because there's a concept of that means that if you f it's not going to Okay. So again now just to clarify this point as well that's part that according to the once the animal is at that point is meaningless because it's already in the whole idea is to make it from doesn't have any of these things anyways. So that is a meaningless right that's not the right that's at that point it's going to be okay because that is but over here you shed it before you shed the mother the question is being that if you would check the mother it would be it would work it would be so maybe like the not maybe not there's two different ways to do it so the kids says if somebody would go ahead and he would before the mother while it was alive was right that's what the means when it says means I can hit it I can hear that even though holds that ordinarily it requires a but maybe while it's still in the being that if you would check the mother and the animal would die so it could be or could be even according to that when it's born it doesn't require but maybe before you kill it has just because it's in just because the mother and it would die or even walk out alive it wouldn't require but that doesn't mean maybe our boss so says the I think I can bring you right from our Mishna because the Mishna in the first attempt to distinguish between the behem and the beha why is it that the beha is but the is not going to be. So what was the soil is one of them was born this way and the other one was not born this way. One of them had a one didn't have a shakar's decoy said take take away this what about if it was if it was so in that case it means and still it's going to be said if you're going to tell me that you can go into the of the and you could check and it's going to be then how could you tell me that if it's never had a sounds like if it's BORN IF IT'S BORN means never which means that the first moment that you can go ahead and do is after the if you can do the while it's still or if you can do the while it's still that means that even if it was born it doesn't necessarily mean there was no it's still possible This is this is not a dick already of this already happened in that kind of situation. That's where it's where your turrets wouldn't fly. You want an example. If it has 5T, right? We know. So if it has five feet, it's as if it has three feet. So that would make it a traumat right. So that would that would make it a tra. And the bottom line is is that in that situation where it's a tra that was clearly right that happened the moment of it's not like it started with four and then it developed a fifth. That would have been that's what the Mishna means. It's a you can't b too much in it. Either way we're moving along now. Next Mishna. This Mishna is going to finally bring this is between and really if you think about it this mission we're about to learn right now could have would have should have been the first mission of the bar because really this is like the phase of right the per start. That's how it starts. But really really this would be a very logical place to to start it at least. No, if you want to get a clite in it. Again, had reasons why they were massad the way they were massad. But just from a practical standpoint, this is very much as it relates to the laws of everything we've been learning. Now somebody and after the animal he pulled out an animal that was 8 months old meaning it had been in the womb for 8 months and it was alive or it was dead or it was already it had been in the womb for 9 months and it was dead. So you can tear it apart meaning you don't have to sh it. Right. The is you have to get rid of the blood. As long as I get rid of the blood, it's going to be ah you didn't do you did on the mother and that's how this works. If it was nine months already and it was alive it requires and I think that day because you just shed the tomorrow you have to wait until tomorrow until you say that even in a situation where it was nine months already there and it was high still it's going to be okay double down. He said, "Even if it's five years old and it's still going to be okay." The Mishna concludes and the Mishna says, "What would be if you didn't the mother, you just tore it apart and you found this? That's obvious." I was going to even explain what is, but the basic synonym you want to use to describe this whole uh week of when does it apply? Everybody in the world agrees that if you go ahead and you the mother and you find an animal inside that was it's not a fullterm animal. Oh, by the way, it's not a fullterm live animal. Everybody agrees in that situation you're going to have the hat. So if it's 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 months alive dead it doesn't matter it's mut doesn't require that's the of the even if it's 9 months old if it's dead it died you or even before the I don't care is it's going to be where is there if it was 9 months and it walked out and now it's going to be okay according to you don't have the hat and according to the you have the hat just to visualize be mish this a little bit better that will help us internalize it a little bit better right visualization is very helpful for internalization but just to be able to this a drop better if the animal was born dead so it's dead if the animal was born alive and it was like kadasha that was a good part of the previous we assume it's going to die even when it's alive we treat as an aa meaning according to raor anytime you do this and the animal's going walk out and do its thing. You're not going to have the hat there. It's never going to be neg if it's 5 years. By definition, it was full term that it was alive. In that situation, it's not going to be okay. Reme is basically telling you that to the extent that this animal is a viable animal, it's not again. You don't have this whole hat there. You only have this hat there if it's not viable. ACCORDING TO THE NO, IT CAN BE a bent. It could be who we'll see in tomorrow's what the of him is, but I don't care that it's a viable animal. It's still going to be okay. So this you'll never say you see that animal over there, you know, it's a bench because to the extent that you see the animal over there, that means it was full term and obviously it survived the pregnancy and the of the mother and as a result you don't have the head to bak. It's in the world of that there would even be such a mitz. Either way, it's up to you. this that the said that even a fullterm animal it's a you have the is going to be the only time the said that it's only with regards to the laws of but with regards to other laws not in other words as it relates to the the basic premise we'll see more about the law this but as relates to the basic premise of this whole suga What we're doing is we're treating the uber as somewhat being tough to the mother shack to the mother that's how going to work for the as well. So says the name that even the who go to the extreme and they say it's true even for a full term but it's only with regards to the that it doesn't require but with regards to everything else it's a regular it's its own and and you can't say oh it's somehow to the mother and therefore xyz is not going to apply what is xyz so the says meant was to In other words, what he was trying to say was that you would have had a maybe of this of this is also going to be maybe the is also going to be because we look at it as somehow being thoughtful to the mother. If it's thoughtful to the mother, it's not its own behemoth. The of the is not own. It's a funny hab right. We'll see more about cinderate. But there would have been that maybe that shouldn't be treated as a regular and if you don't treat like a bad maybe it's not subject to this it's not subject to this but as relates to even that when it comes to it's going to be us not true not even true of that's why we just explained it of the we know Right holds that of the of the and of the is going to be it's not by the way same that holds that it requires its regular as well doesn't require so to the so you can't tell me Why not? Because himself said that holds that and are going to be motors. You know what we must mean when we said that what he must have meant was of and by the way and this has nothing to do really with the is between and really is referring to a completely different and that is the fats of the is that going to be is that going to be and that's what Allah is saying that even though remain with regards to whether or not the is or not whether requires or it's but as relates to the of the of every that everybody agrees everybody agrees is going to be it's hard to say this with a straight face right again even though this is regarding that's why Everybody agrees is going to be awesome. What do the two have to do with each other? Right. The first attempt and the G of the so good. You have a nice sh over here. But what's up doing anything? Rashi asks Kasha and because of this cash Rashi says I'm not gist the next bunch of lines but we have in our gam so we'll be but either way Rashi takes out this whole gamar. Rashi even explains why he thinks this gamar got here by mistake. says because it's a similar kam and that similar is almost identical and somebody made a mistake and somebody took that sh of and plucked it down over here but this whole it doesn't make any sense for it to be but let's see it says maybe what's going on over here is what the means to say is that even though but as again let's try to fake the straight face over here everybody agrees it's going to be us not true mythic pley Not everybody agrees the of the as it relates to I'm sorry not everyone's is that true when it comes to the so you have to go into the of the and you have to try to take out the whoever it is additionally they as it relates to the fats. You have to be you don't have to go all the way into the kishkas to pull out the fats. As long as you take it off the surface, that of itself is going to make but everybody agrees WAS AWESOME, RIGHT? HOW FAR IN you have to go. But you can't tell me that because the contrary how much is but for sure everybody agrees that's was commenting on the in the already said not stating that as it relates to the laws of then we view it 100% as not being its own independent behavior doesn't require you not let it be with this animal for that it is an animal you can't be with another man for that it's going to be an isol it's is going to be considered an animal and that's what he was coming to mind. So notice in the first version we thought it's only as opposed to as opposed to the it's considered it's not true. So we tweak it. It's not included in rightclud. You don't have the problem. You know the problem of additionally included what is coming to things as it relates to that everyone is going to be and who is that is also going to that says that the is going to be the the is going to be as well. So, not only the not only even the everybody holds that is going to be the Mishna said that in the event that it wasn't affect the case even where it was a mishna say you could tear the animal apart you don't have to sh it but you have to make sure you get rid of the d now that's a case that everybody Everybody agrees is a I mean everyone holds it over there and still you have to make sure you get rid of the D. So the dam is off limits and for sure the even though he's but that's already a much bigger for sure the should be over there and the must but says that whenish said that according to the is going to be right. What he meant was all he meant was that there's not going to be cars knew it's going to be. He meant to say that there's not going to be but it can't be. Who is that? Who is the boy? Who is it? It's right. We put a name to the face. We know it's the right it should be no different than the damat. So we know that old dam can be divided into two groups is the damesh and there's the damatams. Damesh is the dam that makes up the soul of the animal and the damatamsis is the other dam. Now the says if somebody would go ahead and eat the damatis you would even be like this was anyone other than so I would understand the distinction. Basically what is saying is it's aer at the same time there's no you know what the lumbus is it's the lus it's not ne and the is the nephesh OF THE BEN IS THE MOTHER SO IT'S not it's so it's the problem sheet in the holdat's car and that is you see it's from the and world what are you talking he meantis Even if it's because what is the damatis? It says in the that is off limits. It says is referring to is referring to the dhamsis. So it's true is that damatamis is cars but that's only when the dam of that behem is also carus being that when it comes to the uber it's dam is not a real dam. So the damatamsis can't be better. Meaning you're right. Wherever you have an animal where if you would eat the dam you would be then if you eat the dams the is even the so and it's for that reason there's not going to be a car. What's the bottom line according to who is the even if it's full term and not only do you not have to sh the animal but is going to be what about the is going to be what does it mean it's going to be anar but at the same time there won't be it's going to be which sounds like regular regular means there's even going to be so we're going to go now until the bottom of the which is actually going to take us to the top line of and really the is going to conclude with twoish they're both like style but this is with are having some fun and claring is related to the lift could somebody take a ben and be pa with it so we're familiar with the parish of the right soar firstborn has kadusha but at the same time is a non-commercial animal so you can't give it to the k and put it on so what are you supposed to do you're supposed to be with you have the mitzvah of the question is can I use to be this was says like this may hold that requires It's a regular set. You could it's a regular who we know is do we say that you don't have to it's like a piece of meat that's sitting in your freezer right now. So therefore is how could you use a piece of meat to be as much as it's a piece of meat but it's a piece of meat right? It has a life of its own. So maybe I do view it as so says what's the bottom line said turned to mazuch and who held a I was thinking about it where you coming from why do you hold it's not okay I think I know why the problem because it says by the mitzvah of and it says by the carbon and just like the carbon Pesa can't be a vamp. Why not? Cuz that's already chocolate. No. So too. You can't use a vamp for this either. But if that's the case, so maybe if you hold of this should completely redefine the of it should have to be a male. It should have to be a it should have to be a benu. That that's the way it is. As a matter of fact, it's a that says it could be a right that somebody is don't apply. So the bottom line is the only I could think of why there is take it all the way. So he told him back you're 100% right. You got my right. I was coming from if that's the case says the word twice in the par and therefore even if it's not right if that's the case we should be everything what do you mean we should be you're telling me that it says let it be but then you're not using Meaning I had this tension between I use and I use on the next sha had another shil as it comes to ampu and it's talking about when the bakua is still inside the mother. It's still inside the womb of the mother. Do we view it as a as it relates to the denim of Tom or do we view it as a n as it relates to the of in other words do we say that if the mother is a so now the is going to be a or do we say that if the mother's the is also going to be do we view it as one go or we do view it as two go and this was not this We view them as two separate entities. We don't view it as two separate entities. We look at it as one. In fact, you want to ego. We look at it as inside a shell. That's one. You don't say, "Oh, the shell is a sheny." No, it's one. It's one. You're going to view it as the same thing. Mayor holds that what was the case? The case is where it was then you went ahead and you shacked. So we know that over limits the question is or that hand of that limits the question is what about the rest of what about the buser of the mother. So mayor look at to me that it's one I understand how it's possible that the mother and the uber should both now be subject to to the maga and by the way even maga tra we mentioned There is a level of albeit a low lower level of it's only but the bottom line is according to me that it's so I understand why all the is going to be it was meaning the blood went on the mother when you went ahead and you did the and once it touches the mother so now the mother is through the and it affects the entire animal but according to you that you view the and the mother as goofing So if that's the case but how did the become the mother became how it became when you and the dam went onto the buser of the mother but if you don't view the as part and parcel of the mother it's two separate entities so there was no so I understand the is touching the which is but the promise has to be so if that's the case it should never be right one more time If there's no problem being I understand why everything is going to be because the hand isn't a the mother is the is going to be a but it has to be first where is the if you view it as one is but if you view it as two where was the says I miss going to if you remember way back feels like a very long time ago. Wasn't that long ago that the itself is what's remember is it only the butto being that the is so therefore that's where if you needed you needed liquid it wouldn't work says now flips the script and he turns of Bryce talking about there was a cool had lived according to it's okay doesn't need it own if it walked through it's if afterwards went to right it would become according to me that I hold that the animal and of the mother and the two goim That's why this animal needed to first go into before it went to the in order for it to become because it needed to be hooked. When was it ever the all over the mother that was on the why don't we say that the mother it was already and therefore therefore based on that it should have been saying I have a that seems to say that a ben could become right but the only time it becomes is if what only times it becomes if it's first why does that have to Why don't we say it was at the time that you did the original? Now, by the way, just to bring out one point, we know a live animal can't become a live person can become not a live animal. A benu is different. Why? Cuz it's buser. You can eat it that you can eat it. It can become. But it has to be first. OKAY. WENT THROUGH and then it went to the Titus. Why does it have to go through the at the time of answer he told him and the I'll tell you it's talking about where at the time of the was no doubt and the itself is not because it is that in itself the lake that's where this would being that it was never you're right a classic case it IS MY SKIN WHERE IT wasn't it's an something that you're allowed to make. That's your way out. The bottom line is this concludes the second that the brings over here as it relates to the Benua exhale. So a lot happened in today's daf. I think however as it relates to Ray it's good to speak very much about to today's to yesterday's d and really the entire just to set it up today's raid will be part one of a two-part raid in this isute basis It's says the ram. Why? Because a because an is an a of its mother. So says the ram it's and the reason is because the uber is an a from the mother and being that it's an a from the mother. It's for that reason it's going to be okay. It's in the Ram that the Ram held that there would have been a benial that it's our entire that discusses someone that checked the behemis and what's the status of the would have been a minute that this is now go ahead and check the bar says to no worries it's okay because we look at the as being an a of the mother and if on favor of the mother. It's not going to be an issue. If you look in the explain this that was addressing is it says in parenthes that we're about to learn here. But we know there's an a mother and a child of a father and a child. But there's an unheld that if that's the case, maybe you shouldn't be able to because when you a very good chance that the is going to die and if that's the case, you're going to be it's not a problem. And you want to know why it's not a problem? Because because the way I look at the is not as a separate entity from the mother, BUT IT'S AN A OF THE MOTHER. AND THEREFORE, I DIDN'T CHECK ALL IT WAS IT WAS ONE I MEAN THAT it's one so based on that this is not going to be initial in right here on this he must be the of the of the and it's for that reason that it's it's going to be Okay. And he says that really this shakario and the mas of the raom that it's mut and the reason of the raom because is really a gilo to go in understanding the entire permakash. And I think just before we read the short words of I think it's to take a few steps back and just speak out what really could have been the introduction to that is angel the great seni in his risal he with regards to the benu with regards to makash with regards to the of the behem everything that we've been doing for the last week and that is what's the if somebody is that the Uber is going to be motor even though you didn't do a proper is the when you the mother we see that the is being not only in the mother but also in the Uber and even though the was and it's two sim are completely intact. But at the same time based on the we have a right to see up there was a that took place in the angel there was no that happened in the you didn't check in the button of is that although ordinarily when it comes to a way you could eat it is if you shacked it but if there was an uber inside the of the mother at the time they injected THE MOTHER THAT IS GOING TO BE BUT IT'S NOT THAT we see in the how can you see there was no but the gather is is that that is going to be in other words the gather of the is we see up as if it's or no we don't see it as if it's but it's now either way this is a it's something that's based on if you see it up as if it's a because the mits says it's not and if you're going to be m without a that's a because ordinarily you need any way you go this is going to be a it's not going to be greater or lesser regardless of which side of this how you do it you take the question is what's the lumbness is the lness that we see it up as if it's or is the lumbness that you eat it despite the fact that it's not amino so there's many we'll mention One second of angle is you're not let together, right? It says three times in the stating that the learns from the fact that it says we learn that the only time there is only if it's only if the animal's alive. If however the animal is a it's milk you're allowed to eat with not but midday rice and you are somebody goes in and an animal and there's milk that's considered of there's no what would be the if somebody would take the milk of and together with is there of if you see up as if it's so then it's It's it's there's no if the however is that even though it's not it's going to be but the point is it's not it's going to be okay no better at this and he goes and he has all this is in terms of whether the we see it up as if it's or notes is that other already went and handled this and the sugas that are brought but there's one very very compelling to that together of how Benakura works is that we see it up as if it's really and that is from augism not a says the following question. What would be if somebody owns a behem? The mother is a but the is whatever the case is. But the mus is the mother is a if somebody would now take this that's a that has a that's a bring it into and do is he is or is he not do we say that being that the and you justed the animal so you were over the and or maybe not. And the explains what did the continues and the Gar says anotherly asked the same question. What would be in the reverse? What would be if you had an animal that's the and you did what's not and again the explains what it's told and how you learn a pos that if you're going to tell me that the way works is that when you the mother it's so then I understand two is over here and therefore if it was and if IT'S OR MAYBE BASED on based on that discuss is beyond the scope of this rate bite it's not going to be a PROBLEM BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME IT WAS never but rather the way the works is that it doesn't NEED A SO THERE WAS NO THERE WAS NO SO WHY IN THE WORLD is a very very to that one side that to get that is is that it's as opposed to saying that it's and this is the way the approach the is the one of the grace there are others as well is this sug which goes to the top of stating that If you think about it, it's a little bit of a pala. You know why it's a little bit of a pala? Nothing fancy. We're learning the over here. Let's just try to take out a few from the gum. Number one, the Mishna says is true. If the Uber was alive, the Uber was dead. If the way this works is that when you the mace being alive or dead is with regards to whether it's but if you're going to tell me that the way it works is that it's in the animal. If it's if it was dead before you went ahead and you did the then how in the world could you do that's dead it almost has no it's said the is going to be the is going to be what's that all about why in the world is the and the what AU IS IT'S A THAT HAD THIS MAGICAL OKAY so the of So why in the world should meaning you can't just say I have this I know the I once heard it yeah and and this is suddenly going to make sense to the whole it's there's still a lot of just b this is like the most simple level possible but if you want to try to be mad our thoughts here in the there's still a little bit that that would have to make a little bit of sense of like the brisk and this is in it's in the right so of course if you know you know that in the back of the safer there's a bunch of this was written the and what they were discussing over there was the the insurus in the end of per says that in the event that somebody would she an animal and the animal itself was a tra. So somebody is that the is going to be. So the Ram says that in the event that somebody would shim and you found out that it was a tra. So the laws of Ben would not apply. Soy asked he said I don't understand this little bit of he said we just learned today's right we have a little bit of an appreciation for this but the reason is not so why is a it's because there's a it says in the that we learned this 100 times. We should remember it. But the bottom line is that any traer that's found in the something like that is you're not going to be allowed to go ahead and eat it, right? Thank you. So is you're not going to be able to eat it. The point is but the reason is there's no you're not allowed to go ahead and read it. So tomorrow so he said if that's the case what's in this I don't understand the of the says that if you go ahead and you and then you find it's going to be why not say if you're going to tell me that when you sh the in the SO IT'S NOT IF IT'S NOT A MALIA it doesn't work for the mother it doesn't work for the but being that we know that is a malia so if it's a malia Even though it can't be on the mother because there's a it says IN THE is its own entity. So if it's an entity it's not a betray if it's not OF WHY SHOULDN'T I BE ABLE TO EAT themsing in this in this letter the why is it that the of doesn't have the head you're going to tell me because the of the mother couldn't work the mother worked there was no in THE IT'S JUST THAT being that hi my name is so and so and I'm so THEREFORE IT CAN'T BE SO THEREFORE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT DOESN'T HAVE that so let it be so he said is part he said the is what's this magic what's this business over here that when you go ahead and you shack the mother all of a sudden now the uber is suddenly going to be okay magically we look it up as if the bim of the uber somehow got a said the raada that's not together he says you want to know what the together is the is there's a mus in that sometimes we look at the as not being its own entity but as being one of the one of the of the animal we look at the AS THAT'S THE WAY WE look at the said the brisker the gather of the gather is that we see the clapping the as if it's one of the of the mother and being that there was a that was done in the mother And the in every one of the is a little different. It has a pulse. It has a it has a it has its own set of right. It has its own thing going. But the way we see up this as being and being that we see it up as being ONE OF SO THEREFORE IT CAN'T BE BETTER THAN THE MOTHER. AND IF the mother's a tra then this is an a of a trafer and every a of a tra if the together is you see it up as a separate entity said the grace and it somehow gets this just like the mother got the okay so this entity has the of the mother is a perfect nvas dear this this external bomb that's saying you can't be because YOU'RE A TRA I'M NOT A TRA SO BASED ON that I should be okay together is not that this two is TAKING PLACE ONE THE IS HAPPENING IN THE mother the reason it's because I see and being that I see it as one and it's all as well if this is an of a tra it's not going to be okay and the said that the I stopped one line short said agrees a beer on the entire the reason the bener is because it's together of the whole of it's not because it's viewed as a separate it's because we view it as and if the had all the are going to be mut as well that's together that's why this is going to be m it's posh it's posit the way you understand the sad ink that it's a not it's an independent that's happening in the child the two sim are fine it's clapping we view it. And if we view it, so it's for that reason it's going to be okay. What do we say? What's with that? If it's dead, how could it be in a in a dead? It doesn't make any sense. A dead thing can't get a mita in it. If you want to see the in the somehow in a magical way, well, if it's dead, it can't happen. It's dead. Clap being its own entity. being maybe if it's mace it's even more than if it's but it's I'm looking at it not as it's not a problem you want to know why the is you want to know why the gdanosha is mut going backwards there's something called the gdanosh of an animal the gdanosha is right we have the gdosha is we'll get to that par coming up soon as well there's something called the gdanosha the uber is is its own apher the gdanosha of the uber is a gdanosha I'm I'm seeing that I'm seeing it and for that reason it's all going to be moto. It's working with but together of the I see it. This is exactly what says means I'm not sure. Maybe there's a problem. This is something that's going to be okay. Why is it going to be okay? Because the reason it's going to be is because what's the is that the way works is I see the as its own entity I see the as if I think it's true I did twoas over here I did a on the mother I did a twoas that are really oneita because the together of the is It's not a separate doesn't pass that there should be a and says if you look at both of the came from the but saying identical that same what is He's tightening up the together of how works is I see the as I see it as and that's why there's no because I'm shing one I'm noting two both places the learning up to the same exact way is that I see it up I see it up. In other words, we said that we had this in the world of this in the world of it's really two right it's is the of the mother works for the or maybe the is that when I do a mother I don't need a in it works that it's a and is together these twoas that are taking place over here or is together or is together that this one I see at the end of that together is it's a like the first in the but the gather of the is that I look at the as being the second in that first the same exact thing from the and I just want to say on that is says you know you learn this is that it sounds a little bit like the only time it's hold it sounds like maybe it would be I think it's a pleat it's a plea the closest thing you find to there being an issue with Romeo mayor holds a bakur requires a but that it should be to go ahead and shu right no one ever heard of such a in the world it sounds a little bit that the is telling you that if I have a way out but if that I don't have a way out it's a clear is that what just said I hold because I hold therefore But if you hold that then ready it's not going to be okay at first glance. So then I wasn't sure but I thought could be the real is not saying that and I'm getting involved in that maybe one of the biggest of all time. What is saying is like this in the question right now when it comes to but meaning even if I hold but when it comes but when it comes to this everybody's going to hold I don't think it's possible to say that only meant this because then the would have a hold and really all this is saying THAT everybody there's no and it learns from a what's the sh the is is it true only in the is it true as well there's no and that's what means it doesn't mean as IN HE MEANS THERE'S NO question I found. He says he said it's impossible to say that it's that this is where it's going to be just the end. I saw in a safe it's called mikra so we quoted from the safe of mika many times over the years was a great guy in revel he was nifa very very recently and in par's a piece that we're going to get back to tomorrow but in parl at the end of the piece he has a little bit of on this and he says that you know we know throughout there's a and he says there isn't one place in where the says We never have so it's one of the biggest in the world and he says I'm not aware anywhere of a what is the source to the I think it's that the is the meaning this is the beer and how works this is actually the is the That's done. That's why there's no problem. That's why of is going to be A PROBLEM. THAT'S WHY even if it's maze that's why THAT'S WHY IT'S ALL BASED ON THE FACT it's but together as I look at the learner and he SAID THIS IS A PER you're always supposed to look at the as the is not only a it's a hold said no I hold it But that's really not the way it's going to be. This raid this could be the whole the institution of but what is the green could be the is sense he says I'm not aware of any other if he's not aware we're not even going to be aware. So the bottom line is this is the right he lived in Yeshua Salvich's building and I've heard that Yeshua used to refer to him as an that's how he used to refer to him as an imish if you go through his he was in in a very dramatic way but very but the bottom line is could be this over here is not just a could be this is actually the to the entire concept of obi.