Chulin 79

Today's DA is and we have three lines from the top of so yesterday we began the fifth peri and the per really hinges on one in the Torah says that you're not allowed a an animal and its offspring on the same day. We saw and when the Torah says the espano that's clear that Benoi means either the animal's male offspring or its female offspring. The question is what does oy mean? Does mean the mother or does what it usually would mean mean even the father says and it's so it doesn't matter if you the father or the mother either one if you together with its child says the board of where the discussed this either way today's d is going to get into the reason behind the at first glance based on the that the bottom of it would seem to be a question of how you stating that the is going to say that the underlying principle of this is actually something very fundamental it's very it relates to other sugas and the garra is going to immediately digress to one of those other sugas that it relates to and that is the suga of just a little bit of which will make the dashem flow a little bit more smoothly and that is the is going to suggest that whether or not should relate to a father and its offspring in addition to a mother and its offspring really depends on so we had a sneak preview of this is and really The is that we know that a human being has he has he has a father and a mother. Thus he has from two sides. In fact, the that a person has is more dominant than the he has says it relates to it means it relates to as it relates to the laws of of to the laws of but a person being that he has a father and a mother has he has he has an animal also has a father and a mother stating that there's a that says that when it comes to the quote unquote of the animal, we don't take his father or her father into consideration. All we look at is the animal's mother. What the father is or isn't is completely irrelevant as it relates to the status of the child. Thus, of course, he's a father, but we don't care as it relates to the father has absolutely no bearing. says, "No, an animal has a father and a mother, just like a human being has a father and a mother." And just like when it comes to a human being, you have to be for the mother. You also have to be when it comes to an animal says the that if you're going to tell me that relates even to a father it implies it forces you to accept the fact that when it comes to therefore says that holds it's because he is so he says that when it comes to an animal we look it is of having a mother and it as well. It has a father. So if the Torah says it makes sense, it means the mother and its offspring. It means the father and its offspring. I mean that is for that reason that that's as relates to the of the day and that is said stating that the Gmorra is going to digress and the Gmorra is going to relate this of which we see now is not a local but it's more of a regional it's more of a global it's of so what's really there's many types of theory says in the says you have to observe my So the says and then the Torah describes different forms of you're not allowed to mate two animals that are of a different species. You're not allowed to take seeds of two different types of fruit, for example, and plant them together. And finally you're not let that is made up of shness. Incidentally, Rashi says that being that the preface the words, you see from here that the like we spoke about yesterday that falls under the purview of of over here argues says it's true that we find that is considered but you only find it with one type of hazal say it's And what is that? It says it's true you find mentioned as a but only a certain type of you only find it regards to which is but as it relates to that's not that has a what's the says and he says but either way so the says you're not going to take two animals and breed them question that theor is going to discuss now What happens if you have two animals that were already of a mixed breed? For example, and this is really the topic of the dove, a mule. A mule we know is a hybrid. It is the offspring of a donkey and a horse. Now, to be more accurate, a mule has a father, that's a donkey, and a mother that's a horse. So, if you take a male horse, a stallion, and you breed it together with a sorry, a male donkey, and you breed it with a female horse, the offspring is going to be a mule. If you do it in the reverse, if you take a male horse and you breed it with a female donkey, the offspring is what's known as a henny. A hinny and a muan, not the same thing. Or maybe they are the same thing. And that's precisely what the Gmorra is going to talk about right now. And really, what it's going to depend on is whether only been a cave as well said I heard in the name of the great even though seems to be the seems to be the it doesn't matter that that is not only by it's also by which means that the is that we take the father of an animal into consideration when we look at his says this is really and this is a Mishna in the eighth per says the offspring of a horse even if it father is a also known as a mu so the is that all the offspring of horse aut regardless of who the fathers. We'll see more accurately in the what that means. But if you have two animals, one's mother is a means the mother's the other one's mother is a then is then going to be okay for them to mate with each other that we don't look at the father. And as a result, all we look at is the mother. So if you have two animals, one's mother is a horse, the other's mother is a donkey. We don't care who the father is. Is going to be this is all talking said that it's allud. But the argue and they say that all mules are the same. Meaning anytime you have an animal that comes from a horse and a donkey, it doesn't matter if it's a mule or a henny. Meaning it doesn't matter if the father's a donkey and the mother's a horse and mother's a mule or if the father's a horse and the mother's a donkey a henn it's it's irrelevant. It's always going to be considered the same men and they're always going to be says the who is the said who holds we take the father into consideration if says that the m and the h are the same thing. Why? They're all the same. You see, if so, the mule has one parent that's a donkey and the other parent that's a horse. If you're the it is the same thing. It has one parent like this, one parent like that. At the end of the day, they both have genes coming from a a horse and a donkey. Okay? In one case, it's a male and a female. In the other case, it's in the reverse order. We're going to see in the Gar. They're not the same. A mule and a hinny are very different. But I mean they're similar but they're different that allow you to differentiate between the mule and the hinny but at the end of the day from a perspective mean that they both come from a horse and a donkey at the end of the day is going to be their but that's only you see if you're not then we don't care about the father. All we care about is the mother. So at the end of the day the mule's mother is a horse. the Hinn's mother is a donkey. They're not the same thing. They're from a different men and as a result, it's not going to be okay. So what's the that's the punch line said that? If that's the case, what does it mean? It means also said that the argue with the isol and the whole that a mule and a hine if you make them together you're not there or mules meaning mules and hinnies are considered the same and as a result because they both come from a horse and a donkey which means if said that he prayed this saying presumably follows those and those are what do you mean this is this is because the underlying principle is the same. It boils down to so it makes sense that would pass like of said that the usually follows the are of the opinion that in either way so we have over here and that's going to take us on to today's and that is a mule and a again a mule is the hybrid it's the mixed offspring of a male donkey and a female horse. A hini is the reverse. It's this mixed breed that has a father that's a horse and a mother that's a donkey. If you mate them together or if they work together in a field, are you the according to Rhuda, we only look at the mother. So as a result there would be an isol according to the and as a result says there's not going to be says who said that no all you do is you look at the mother and being that one has a mother a fed and the other's mother is an isel as a result you can have an isol did rahuda say that with self-confidence meaning he was 100% sure that or maybe he wasn't 100% sure he was only and therefore being that he didn't know he wasn't allowed he had no way to be m he said I don't know maybe but maybe and on the side of that two different meaning and as a result you're going to run into an issue the preo Is it okay to make for example a mule with a horse? So you have a male mule with its mother meaning or not its mother literally but with a horse. Is that going to be considered or is not going to be considered? Yeah. If you're going to tell me it's going to be because at the end of the day they're both horses. What do you mean they're both horses? One is a mule. You're right. But so when you look at a mule, you don't look at the fact that its father is a donkey because there's no when you're talking about an animal. All you see is a horse. So a horse on a horse is going to be if however wasn't really sure and it was only that he said so here you'd have to be therefore is going to be because at least you're going to have to look at the mule as also coming from a donkey and as a result you're going to have a problem says meaning so even though the exact act manifestation of the isra. But if it played itself out, he would have no problem with it either. In other words, a mule being that its mother is a horse. We look at it as if it's a horse and it can mate with a horse. Or no, he only said and you always have to go. So he's he doesn't allow the mule to mate with the henn. But at the same time, he's also he also doesn't allow the mule to mate with the horse. said that any offspring of a horse even if the fathers are always what did he mean when he said all offspring of a horse is didn't he mean to say two mules a male mule and a female mule are allowed to mate do you need to tell me that it's posit what's the same exact thing is probably coming to Even if one of them comes as a source, meaning it's a source from both sides and the other one is only a source from one side, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, it's said that's probably the kadesh. So, isn't it? It's not. But if you want to be telling me some nas, if you want him to be telling me someh some news, then this is probably what he's coming to tell me. delay. So you see that he said it even that it's okay for a mule to mate with a horse. Says like it could be really when said that he meant to say it's the exact same thing. He meant to say a mule and a mule. That's what he was referring to. You ask me a question. What's the thought? At the end of the day, a mule is a partial donkey and it's a partial horse if you want to break it down. And as a result, you would think that being that you never allow a mate, a horse and a donkey. So therefore there should be user as well because even though they both have a sadam and sus but maybe the of this animal is going to make with the s of that animal and vice versa. Oh, excellent. And as a result, it should be a problem. That's the it's not going to be a problem. Asks a second is on the he says, I don't even understand the kamash wasn't sure what the is. I don't even understand the punchline. I don't understand the kamash. Why? Because we know there's a how do you become a you're not born that way. So you become a somebody's a full-fledged. He was owned by two partners. One of the partners freed him. So now he's a because one partner still owes him. He's also because one of the two partners freedom is that is not allowed to get married says the he can't marry because he's can't marry. Should he not get married? The cash is why marry they're in the same exact plight. They're in the same exact predicament. So it's perfect. It's a it's a match made in heaven. So let them get married. You're also perfect. So you have but says it doesn't work. It's can't marry. Why not? So the garra says because being that each person has a sad and abdus the abdus of this one is going to run into problems with the sadus of the other and vice versa and as a result each person sad abdus and each person sad but you don't look at it as a perfect 50/50 split oh wow the numbers work out everything is going to be fine that each one has it each one has it therefore you're going to have an issue that's that maso in B is the diametric opposite of the mascul this right here. Here the Gumarra says clearly that it's okay for a mule to mate with a mule the male and the female. Why? Each one is has it and it sad but at the end of the day they both are misus the and as a result it's not going to be a problem and over here when it comes to it is a problem and say is a very posh deter is very different. The difference is a mule is a when you look at at a min right now the kamash of the is is that I don't see I see a a barrier of what I see is a mule and as a result a mule is a so if you have a mule and another mule there's no problem it's not going to be in his doesn't become a it's not something that's tied into his DNA it's genetic. It's just his status. At the end of the day, he's a he's a when the Tyra says that you're not that it's for someone to marry an it means it's to marry even a it's to marry even a but regardless says that and this is the punch line as relates to our that the point that the is saying in the very fundamental and meaning the kamashan is is that we look at the mule as a we don't look at the mule as And we look at we look at as a result he still has a he's still thus he's also to get married even to as relates to that's not the way we look at it and as a result it's going to be but either way we're in the middle of a is trying to figure out according to who was raud said a mule and a hy are considered kion did rahuda say it because it's all we look at as the mother. The mule's mother is a horse. the mother is a donkey and as a result they're two completely different minim and therefore he was but he didn't know for sure that so to the extent that would play itself out as a over there he would be what's the where it play itself out as a according to Rabuda is it okay for a mule whose mother is a horse to mate together with a horse. Is that considered or is it not considered? If you're in even then it's going to be but if it's only that he's not over here the would be to be to say that they're two different meaning one is a mule one is a horse that's says two different says that was you can't be not a source or now what's a a prao in the terminology is either a mule or a hy. So either its mother's a horse or its mother's and what did say this talking right this is what did says if you're going to tell me the rahuda held even a so it's m to take a pra and to m it with the min of its mother so why can't you be marva this animal together with his mother. So the says, you know, it's talking about, well, you don't know who the mother was. But the says, how could you say you don't know who the mother was? The only way you would not know who the mother is if you don't know exactly what this animal is. And the bis says you could mate it with its men. Doesn't that suggest you know what it is? If you don't know what it is, what does it mean you can with its men? So if you know what it is, you know what its mother is. So why does it say should be okay? So the says this way you read the right you have to change the garrison the point is talking about you don't know what it is that you don't know what it is therefore it's completely it's withus it's with and it's even why not it's could be it even be with its mother because maybe even the reason it's in this case is because we just don't know what it Frank lived like if you don't know why don't you just look gave usim to know the difference between a mule and a he said if it has a thicker voice it means its mother is a horse it's a mule sniff if it has a softer voice said if it has big ears and has a small tail means small ears and a larger tail. Either way, aren't there? You're right. You have to make animp. We're talking about a a mule or a hy, we don't know. That was an couldn't make noise. As a result, you couldn't use the sim of its and also it was a it didn't have a tail. So, it didn't have a tail. There's no way to know based on that. What's the bottom line? Everybody's maida that it's not okay to mate the this hybrid offspring together with its mother meaning a mule is asser together with a horse a henny is asser together with a donkey and everybody said it everybody said it mean said it because so according to of course a mule is going to be also with a horse a horse both its parents are horses a mule one parent is a horse. One parent is a donkey. If it's not the same, it's not the same. Of course, you're being the question if only looks at the mother. So, a mule and a horse are the same because a mule's mother is a horse and a horse's mother is a horse. And what did R Yeshua say? Everybody holds that it must be said in the he wasn't really sure and it was only that he said but at the same time he would be so are considered because I'm worried that maybe when so one is a horse the other one is a donkey because all we look good as the mother. But at the same time, so therefore a mule is going to be with a horse. A h is going to be with a donkey. The reason is even though they have the same mother and therefore you're going to have an issue. One more. He said that when you're going to take two animals to push my wagon, so you know, you're going to say, "Oh, this is a mixed breed of a horse and a donkey." And that's a mixed breed of a horse and a donkey. So they're both the same. So Ab told no be you should analyze it. Investigate it a little bit more carefully. I want you to make sure that they're exactly the same. Meaning don't take a mule and a hy and use them together. Make sure it's two mules or two hinnies. Why are you see number one that he holds? You don't look at the and as a result they're not one and the same because they're both defined based on what their mother is. So one is a horse and the other one is a donkey. So you have to be careful. Additionally he see another thing you see that he must hold meaning you could rely on the what did he told him that's Aramaic he said look very care what did he look very carefully listen pay attention to its voice look at its tail meaning Abu was comfortable with the analysis with the telling him whether it's a a mule or whether it's a hide So you see for me you can rely on and if you can rely on in this case it must be and the papy over here is a very interesting rash something that the discuss as well in very great detail and that is says this is a very important you know why because throughout you find and sends us to one we know is somebody finds And there's a sim. So can't be no more. And number two is that if somebody comes and he presents the sim is that he gets to it. He gets to take the and the wheat says this when the says this is a even you see from this says very just like that maybe as well he says no in we're discussing we're discussing money it could be don't work I that if somebody presents a sim he gets the lost object he gets the it could be that's all rabbitical in nature and the have a right they have a direct to go ahead and to say that even though maybe this is not ruain still give it to ruain based on the clause of heft and heer so it's not a right but over here we're dealing with it's a question of the it's a question of there's no heer than he over here am I allowed to use these two animals together in my field can I make these two animals or not this is a shy love of it's not a question of and still you find that you can rely on the must says maybe only and if still it works because of over here there's no half and half and if that's the case says when the says that you see from number one and number two This has ripple effects throughout. It even affects Peric Mits meaning based on this would be the init and the and the both and they ask how did Rashi know when the said in this figure right here where we're discussing the of the voice and the tail of a mule and a h that if you see it on these collide that's a right always maybe as it relates to this or these particular these are when it comes to maybe is not going to be and ask very good very good from that we had elusar discuss that there's a sim there's a way to know whether a bird is kosher or not kosher it's based on its eggs so a kosher egg has a certain as a non says if that's the case why can't you just rely on him right it's so complicated why is it so complicated all those of you know such right acronym but the boys why is it so complicated just look at the eggs let it lay an egg and you'll figure out based on the egg and the said is anyone going to tell you the I have a paragraph says and here I have a peri two weeks later in where it's a says no what kind of cash is that there we're discussing one type of sim the sim of the egg of an over here we're discussing the sim of a mule versus a hy it's two different sim so with regards to sima with regards to the sim are going to be dissa either say I don't understand how Rashi had a right to say that here is that it necessarily means that it's going to have an impact on the sug. Interesting that there's a cha from the actually a few chas from the discuss and the reason that the would discuss the so much is probably not because they were asked I mean they were asked that too but there's not a lot of it's because the of as well because one of the places that you find the of is in the end of the very end of the very very last few that talks about and now we're trying to figure out with him. We haven't heard from the husband in years. We don't know what happened to him. And now a witness comes and he says that I saw a man. I saw his corpse and we're trying to figure out is it her husband or is it not her husband? So we use says one of the places where comes so there's a lot of discussion in the so these were that were the got involved in and it's a very big question is that that's what was on the he says that the comes out how could Maybe based on the and based on the maybe but here said it nobody seemed to argue so based on that shouldn't it be mashma that sim so in one of the chasers within discusses his raamita's son who wrote on the side he says it's pos that the tatas kasha is predicated on rash's mahalya where rashi said that this I love the rice is not only this right here, but it's really really all the sug that's a separate maybe there's also a separate and as a result says the he doesn't think that this is the just one other just to go through this quickly and that is so we're discussing over here a mule and a hy which are this hybrid this mixed this offspring of a mixed breed of a horse and a donkey and the discussed in its shack of attire. Do we look at it as one men? Do we look at it as two different meaning specifically as it relates to the of invigil the sh that he was presented with was a nectar which the told is a cross between a peach and a plum. Now the truth is it's not clear that that's really what it is but those were the facts that were present has nothing to do with damas but that was the shil the shil was a nectarine or any fruit that's a cross between other fruits as it relates to so you know if you eat a new fruit for the first time you make a of night ve so that's you're supposed to make a shakayan so his question was if somebody made a shakano on a peach and somebody made a shakayano on a plum and now don't look it up and now somebody made and now he's eating a nectarine. So do you make a shakayano on the nectarina or do you not make a shakayano on the one hand you made it on the two that really make up this cross. So as a result maybe you don't have to make a shaku maybe not maybe you should look at it as a as a and the reverse as well what if you made a on this cross you made a shak on the nectarine does that the peach does that the plum or doesn't he said the place we spoke at earlier between and between mule. So he said, "But a mule being that it's a cross, it's this hybrid, the way we look at is not as but rather the way that you look at it is a it's a new." So if it's a new, it's a mule, not a and that's why a mule and a mule is you're not worried about and because we look at it now as a new mid. If that's the case, you look at it as a new man. So it's a new with regards to the of either way beautiful and says that really the starting point of this is that the brings in says I'm not exactly sure what these things are but basically these are two foods that are very very similar to each other. They're from the same men says talks about a little bit of a simpler case. You have white figs and black figs. So if you made on one, do you make on the other or not? And from the answer is you do stating that brings not everybody agrees with that. So says it's a sh white fig whether or not you make it's it's not so clear. says that really at first glance it would seem like it could be this would be a because it seems that seems that when it comes to there's a a more fundamental question when you have two fruit that are a little bit the same min but not completely the same men how does it play itself out as it relates to do you make a new bra or do you not make another bra but then says a very good he says at the end of the day why do you make a shak When you have a new fruit, what's the point? But why do we make a shako? You make so often. What's the rest of the story? What's the idea of a you make a when you're really aim that it's a so you say you have an opportunity to do a so you make a is always something that you make when you're just to give you one example of this. The first somebody sees his friend, he hasn't seen him in 30 days. And now 30 days pass, he meets him after 12 months. What a rate on that. Says, "When is this true? When do you make if you haven't seen your friend in over 30 days?" It has to be somebody you really like and you're really really happy and joyous that you're seeing him right now. If you're not you don't make a shaky why not because the of ish so if you're going to make a shakan so it says the reason you make au on a new fruit is because said that there's a that a person has when he eats a new a new fruit there's a so he says really when we ask ourselves whether you make au on this cross fruit if you already made it on the peach and you made it on the plum so what about the nectarine in Ramosha's example so do I says really the question is not this. This is not a question in a in a like the mule. That's not the shila. The shila is from a perspective. The question is from are people the do they view it as a new fruit or they not view it as a fruit. The reality is you view it as a new fruit. It's a different type of fruit. I think that's a little bit different. So it's for that reason says I think as it relates to it would make more sense. You should make a stating that I'm not so sure. I have a different reason. Listen to this. How do you have a a cross fruit? How do you have it? You have to take the seed of two different fruits and you have to mix them together. You're not allowed to do that. That's something you're not allowed to do. It could be because I'm so I see this fruit. It looks a little like it looks like you're making you're so excited because you see somebody was this is what the world's come to that you have this fruit that is a cross between two fruits. So he says I think that's a reason not to do it. And then he tells Sue there's a whole with an right. Could you use an or not? So there's that says you're not allowed to use most you are allowed to. So you see you're allowed to make a you can make on an so what's the difference? He says this is difficult. Here we're making a shakanu which is about to relate a that fundamentally has to do with to av to something that comes from that was a sensitivity that said at first glance what's with this cross fruit it sounds like it's a nice that's what the told him so first said really with the white fruit and the black fruit but at the end of the day I can tell you why for sure you should make And I can tell you as far why you for sure should not make as far you should for sure make is all about it's about people perceive it as being a different fruit. If it's perceived as being a different fruit, then maybe you should make a but as far as to say is at the end of the day is related to you're making a related for something that's a product of an doesn't feel right either way another. So this is we saw that right and we're going to get the bar. So some people pronounce it as it's so We're going to call it either ways. So if you have a animal that's in that it came from an and a goat and a then you have the laws of but as it relates to this. So we have right says agree but meaning to you have the laws of according to you don't have the so we need a definition what exactly is So this is an animal that's the offspring of a that's a male sheep and which is a female deer. Now why is this different than what we were discussing on for example and the reason or different than what said he agrees with which is because over here one of the parents of this animal are the other one is when the talks about it says very clearly the it has to be at the very least a if it's not you're not going to have esp. So the question over here is is when you have an animal where one of its parents are the other of its parents are you don't have or maybe don't I mean on the one hand one of its parents are but one of its parents are said what's the case of this is the offspring of and it's oh we're talking about where the male was the and the female was And now it had a child and the mother who was and the child everybody is going to agree in this case is no said if she herself is a and the reason is because at the end of the day the mother is not a cross the mother is a the mother is a regular deer. So at the end of the day, you took a deer and you shed it with its child that's a hybrid at the it is not going to be said because it says and the words referring to the mother or father but it's referring to the mother and therefore in this case where the mother is a deer which is you're not going to have so you're going to tell me that what was referring to where he said it's is in the reverse case where the father is the deer and the mother is the sheep this sheep the together with his child. The problem is that can't even be the because again are talking everyone agrees and the reason is because when the where the talks about it only says it about the mother. So in this case the mother is a is this we don't care about it just says this the whole of what if it's a cross this is all on the mother level it was never said on the child level says referring to the mother is doesn't matter what it says himself said there's no meaning all the agree everybody was in agreement that really all you have to do is look at the mother which means means that what's this whole sh of a the comes from a mix of a of sheep and a deer. So what's the mother? If the mother is a deer then it's for sure not. gives the mothers a sheep and the mothers then says what you have to say is talking about where and they had a child a daughter and now the bas was very simple and the which is that's the and its child that as a result This mother who is the child of and is considered a because even though it's only a because it only has from one side as a but that's enough and being it has a because the father was you don't even have a you look at the mother I mean that all you look at is the mother you look at as being the mother meaning if the mother is at for sure there is no if the mother is at there is where's the shila the shila is where the mother is the the mother is the k the mother is the offspring of the deer and of the sheep and the shila specifically was the shila specifically was where it was the father that was the behemoth and that's pushet that as long as one sat one part of the of this is a that would be enough to have because that's a but that's what the says that certainly would be enough question do you have a you have a mix you don't have a mix so at the end of the day says the it's the same that we had whether also or only It's that with the mules and the hies. It's this is the Shilah says the if that's the case at the end of the day is the same exact as it boils down to like so why why wasn't that are discussing a very very simple the most basic elementary daytoday practical even with the father of the animal. It's only by the mother. Very straightforward is a very far-fetched case. It's a case where you mated a male sheep with a female deer. They gave birth to a child who then gave birth to another child, right? And then you want to know if the mother and the daughter, not the grandmother, the mother and the daughter, whether you can have a problem of or you don't have a problem of if at the end of the day really what it comes down to is whether would it make more sense to argue in the more simple context of or only why they arguing in this case says I'll tell you why they didn't because they wanted to tell me a bigish they wanted to say that not only but also the you would have thought maybe they don't say that you do say meaning there's an added that you see from this that you want to see notes in the but as it relates to understanding that when it says in the So as long as you're a that's going to be enough. So if the mother is a the mother of this now this is a it's subject to the laws of if and the father is that's also going to constitute the point is if all they wanted to teach me the was they would have discussed the it's a much more straightforward application of this. The reason they discussed this is they wanted to say an added and that is why is that such a a big so you have this important but as we're going to see in tomorrow's it actually relates itself to many many many other tomorrow is very much a he of the learning right now we'll stop here but we'll just end with one fest so we're learning over here the of it says We just finished learning and the context of really the underpinned the entire per was an idea that if somebody is a and you found that now there's an let's talk about the extreme case which really is but we poss And there was a benu is that it's okay. Not only is it okay you're allowed to eat the ben. Why are you ever why isn't it a problem of because when you the mother as well. So the mother everybody agrees with the mother and the child. So, so all the discuss at the end of the day it is it's not I hear so the love this is the love this but at the end of the day it should be and it's not from that it's user it never said once in the entire per that you can't do it and that the whole peric is discussing if you did it already it's mash something you lied to do it's clear from that way and if that's the It's the is what happened to the you know who asks this the it's very rare that the should ask and he doesn't ask it but it's clear the way all the explain that the ra was very bothered with this question It's up to it's says the ram. You know why? Because an uber is an a of its mother. It's just an extension of its mother. Stating that once the baby's born at that point but when the mother is a miser then it is okay. Why says the ram say that it's clear from this rama this is a rais that is discussing the laws of the law of that was bother why is if the mother gives birth right after it says the rama in the next line you can't check it anymore but when it's in its mother's womb that it's okay to you know why is because and being that uber is an of its mother so for that reason it's not going to be a problem there's two problems with this before we explain the there's two problems number one it sounds like the ra's answering the kash according to that hold the problem from the biggest in so if that's the case that's all good if you what if you There's a bigasha bigash the raita is so if the raita says what's going on how could the say that the reason it's okay is because I I don't see it as it's a safer on this how does the say I'm sorry and other that it's poss to answer his even if you hold what then did the Rama mean to say the is and there's a benu so now the benu is it doesn't eat oh we discuss Are you glad to eat it alive? It's still going to be Abra because of the beginning of of or maybe not. But regardless regardless it doesn't what's the is the that when you the mother it's in the as well meaning this two is taking place it's one right it's one act with two there's a in the mother and it's a and it's b but there's twoas over here there's a in the mother and there's in the as well or is the fact there's one there's a in the mother the is that being that the is inside the of its mother so it becomes mut with the that was done in the mother but it's not the that there's a separate that's being in the when you the mother there's a being in the arm and in the leg and in the pastrami and in the co no it's all one big animal everything is together it's it's there's a in the animal if you're part of the animal then you come along for the ride then you now are included in the hector of the is that the benakura the bmpaku is just looked at as being part of the mother or no being that the bakura is an animal for itself so maybe you have to look at the you can't just become so what's the mother is it's the mother if there's two taking place over here there's a in the mother and aita in the bena then you have a what happened to There's two after you do twoas. If however you hold it it's one that's in the entire animal then you can say and the baku is included in the entire animal then it's not going to be a problem. So you want to know what the lumbus and all the we discuss of course the but as it relates to this that says that becomes the mother. The Ram held that the longest of that is is that as it relates to Ben it we look at it as if it's not because but the Rama was explaining the gather of this the gather of this is we look at the as if it's the it's an Arab the mother it's one of the mother it's like one of the legs and just like the leg becomes not because it's a separate on the leg the becomes not because if that's the case it's pushed that there's not going to a problem voice of that was the you know why says the waycomes is not that it's separate in the it's one that works for the mother and for the if it's one then there's no problem of either way this is the the ram's and ra's term tomorrow we're going to speak out of ter and as we'll see of angel terrors really puts a lot of what we've been talking about recently together. It ties in. It also ties in a traus.