Daf Hashavua Iyun Sugya: Yevamos 64a - The Childless Couple

this Torah class is brought to you by Torah anytime.com okay if you're back no problem um if you're back if you want to take a look at the rush in the back of the gamarra because the gamar said that where do we learn out that um one has to divorce their wife after 10 years of infertility we learn it out from Abraham that at the end of 10 years of living with Sarah he married h but then the gar said this teaches you that the years living in do not count now that's aella with the simple way of reading the gamarra is if a couple lived in New York and loo they did not have children then this would not apply and dictate that the husband has to divorce the wife as the gar says that the years of do not count because we could say it's not because you're infertile it's because because you're violating the sin of living outside of the holy land that is the opinion of the ravan let me see if I could pull that up for you I photocopied that before let me just get that up that is the opinion of the ran that this din does not apply in okay share a screen here we go beautiful so look in the raan the ra the says it's on your screen this whole applies in the Holy Land once the says this comes to teach you that living in the holy land does not count near it would seem to me the we do not force couples outside of Israel to get divorced because not because they're infertile it's because they're Wicked they don't live in Israel okay so that is the opinion of the raan and as well as other reim I'm going to tell you who else holds that way that is the opinion of the ravia and uh fine Comes The Rush um can I trouble you if you have a rush in the back of your gamar the rush is Sim it's par Sim the rush says there are some who want to say so again this is the rush there are those who want to say the that one has to divorce your wife after 10 years does not apply in the Holy Land We suspended and hinged on the sin of living outside of like we find by didn't marry so this does not apply outside the land of Israel and the rush sum summarily dismisses this view saying it's completely unreasonable to say that one would not have to divorce their wife if they live in as if if you live in it's such a grave sin that maybe that's why one did not have children because the rush says 99.9% of couples in have children so what kind of rationale would it be that if someone lives in Kar he would would have to divorce his wife because maybe it's because of the sin of says the rush that it's not reasonable at all to pass in this way that someone should because of this weak because we see the majority of people procreate outside of you're going to say the one out of a thousand that's not to have children from this one woman oh you know why we're gonna say it's because of the sin of so therefore you don't have to theah it's absurd 99.9% of couples have children so the guy who doesn't you're going to say you know why it's because of maybe because he can't have ch children maybe it's because she can't have children and he should get remarried the other thing is this whole sugya all these rabbis talking over here where do you think they live these are Israelis these are all Babylonian rabbis so why if this D did not apply in Babylon why are they so busy with this subject why you learning this it's for our cousins in Israel come on why are they spending so much time it's not relevant to them and who said if I would Merit oh so you'll ask if it's unreasonable to say that one doesn't have children because of living in so why did the gar say that for Abraham the years in don't count I thought it's not reasonable to attribute a lack of children to being in the answer is it's not reasonable for most people but for Abraham who is specifically commanded get out of and go to Israel so for him that um maybe it's because of his sin of being in so you say huh but he went didn't he listen to this rush says the rush when was told he was lazy he didn't go why listen to this he how old was AB by the bris Abraham was 70 years old by the brisban habar where did the brisban habar take place in Israel and how old was Abraham when he went to Khan he was 75 what happened Abraham at age went to is then he went back toon and God said go to go to Israel why' you leave and ab didn't go right away he waited until he was 75 years old so the bottom line is the rash is of the opinion that this applies in as it does in is and you cannot hinge and say well if somebody's living in he doesn't have children he doesn't have to divorce his wife he absolutely does and those years count and if he waited 10 years and he didn't have children don't blame it on leaving living in so so far we have two we have the that this din does not apply in and we have the opinion of the rash that it does apply in and there's a third opinion who kki sort of advises based on and I'll say it outside and then I'll show you quickly inside do you see my uh you see this what's going on here on my home screen um you see the ramban now yeah okay um the r is like this if somebody is Living in America and they're married for 10 years without children dictates they have to get divorced however what if the husband says uh uh I don't want to get divorced let's go to Israel oh you want to go to Israel then the shack clack starts again in other words of course the applies to as well that in one would have to get divorced because if somebody doesn't have children then we don't blame it on the sin of living in however if the person wants to make the move and go to then we say perhaps now in the of living in is you'll be to have children you don't have to get divorced so the holds the doesn't apply in we if somebody's married in they don't have children they don't have to divorce their wife the r says it applies equally in and if we could take a look at this ran over here let me just try to make it bigger somehow the ran says look where my arrow is you would have to get the someone who lives and then he comes living in doesn't count maybe the Merit of will stand for him but if someone who just lives in and doesn't want to leave then after 10 years you would have to get divorced now we mentioned and I'm going to close with uh this section that this does not seem to be practiced with man that we don't usually find that if unfortunately a couple is not blessed with children that they get divorced after 10 years so the in he writes says of sh um says even though the says if someone is a 20 years old and they don't want to get married we force him nowadays bezin does not force a young man to get married furthermore we don't force them basically the says and nowadays we don't meddle around in people's uh personal marriage and the source of the Rama theama quotes the rash the rash gives a number of reasons he says if we're going to start mixing around in people and say oh you're married 10 years and you don't have children then it's going to cause a lot of strife and arguments and fighting and basically we have no alternative other than to turn turn away and ignore it furthermore again there are some that say this does not apply in a third reason is found in the that thear says we're in such a bad predicament in gas really we should decree upon ourselves not to get married but we can't be on the that the can't handle in other words really we're in such a Despicable demoralizing situation we should just stop getting married and that will be the end of the Jewish people but who could handle such a thing but says the the r if somebody B is married without children we're not going to force them to get married because anyway the ideal in the gas is that we should uh remain without marriage the bottom line is RA also Al adds another possibility that maybe um the cause of the infertility might be a different sin of the man of but the bottom line is that this is not enforced for a number of reasons uh but according to the letter of the law uh one who's married 10 years the gar says they they it's it's definitely time to uh to ERT oneself to try to see what could be done to be M the approval okay RAB thank you very much for joining tonight have a great night and uh we'll see you tomorrow night call byebye you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by Torah anytime.com