Daf Hashavua - Nazir 16a

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So we really have to go back to what we said on Sigmor said that also holds that it's that when we're dealing with Z really however the tuman is only rabbitic because the raya is the carbon pes that was brought on your behalf is really effective um and you don't have to do it again in other words you can't eat it but you're not pushed off to peni so said even holds because we learned inia says if somebody sees zea on his seventh day it demolishes the previous days and And the garbar said no it only demolishes the seventh day whichar asked on if it ruins the zikim then it should uh demolish everything. So then why what does it mean it only demolishes that day? It should demolish all seven days. If it doesn't demolish because it shouldn't even ruin that day. So the says It doesn't even demolish that day. Rabio said that you know who else holds like you said holds like you have um cuz he says it's mame from here and on meaning says that uh according to the on the last day is not doesn't ruin the earlier seven days. I what do you mean holds that way holds that? It goes says any that you are. So how could that be? Because says also holds that no says it's afraid. Now here's a million dollar question. Now according to that if you hold how are you ever aa what's the question how do you ever have a za who has to bring a carbon what's the problem um If she sees midday, the other half of the day is like uh a day that she didn't see. What does that mean? In order to be a you have to see dam on three days, one after another. Um, how does a woman ever become a zaga? Think about it. If she sees, let's say, uh, she sees dam on the first day and then she sees dam on the second day. So, in middle of the day, fine. So, she saw two in a row. But then the later part of the day that she didn't see is like The other part of the day is like uh is like she guarded it. So how do you have a how do you ever have a woman who sees three consecutive days? Cuz let's say on day two she sees she also doesn't see. So the part of the that she sees is a seeing and then the later part of the day is a non-seeing. So she was already says if you hold um and every day it's by itself since she sees midday the other part of the day is being used for is being used to preserve her even though she didn't go to the mikah in between. Let's say she sees on 11 the is saying let's say she saw day 11 13 and 15 she wouldn't be a zabad because she had a clean day in between. So even if she sees 11 12 and 13 it's like she had a clean day in between cuz she saw 11 in the morning and then 11 in the afternoon she didn't see. So that's like a clean day. And she saw 12:00 in the morning and then she saw 12:00 in the afternoon. It's a clean day. That's the kasha. If you subscribe to mikas, that one 24-hour period could be considered like two days. How could a person ever be? Answers the two possible answers. She's pouring blood for three days straight. Yeah, that's a simple answer. She's basically she's like a geyser. She's uh just flowing blood for 72 hours. So there is no mix of not seeing. Yeah. Saysis, oh no is not going on the first answer. And if you want, you could say she saw three days next to and there's no time that could be reckoned toward the minion of a day that she didn't see. Meaning there's no time that could be counted for a clean day. She started seeing before Shia so that the moment the days of the day's inception she was seeing. So you say okay but later in the day she didn't see. Yes she did the she already started seeing before the end of that day. So it almost sounds like if the day is bookended with seeing each day is bookended we can't get in a mix of not seeing. It's only if you see that's a and then if the end of the day you don't see that's a non-rea. However, if you saw by before of all the days so every single day is bookended. So then the is that's uh that is considered uh only a day of sing says The day isn't surrounded with the lake and there's no guarding at all. Meaning there's no you can't count the shim at all. Likewise, the third day it was in the beginning. So in other words, you saw both days and and there's no shim. I want to share with you a thought that just occurred to me from a Mishnaba in Sim Alf that I never understood until a minute ago. The mission bruin simalf brings the kadesh. The kadesh says Wow. Um, there's says to be the yim to the lila with meaning you should learn before going into and you should learn before going into I have to find it. Where is it? I can find it this moment. Are we able to apply redeem from yesterday to today's gamma? >> Why can't we give that as an answer? >> That what >> that we can't count two days one day as two different things >> cuz we're going that you could we're going that we do say that means you could And I think that everyone needs to commit to >> No. Right. But we're taking the that you could count it the day as two days. Okay. I I can't find it inside. Mur brings down from the where you start learning before and you take it until after and also in the morning. So you know what is this concept to the if according to this if you say then on the one hand if you learn a little bit in the morning it's like you learned the whole day but it's also if you don't learn later in the day it's also like you didn't you didn't learn the whole day but it goes by the bookends the bookends determine how do you how do you view the entire day. So if a person learned from before alo until after nates so that means from the inception of the day he was already learning. So he he the day didn't even start he may in other words he was able to preempt the day in learning he was able to preempt the coming of the night. So that means every single day is bookended with learning. So every day it's considered literally you learned the whole day in terms of right the gar is asking how is it possible to be a soar comes up well either you learned either you the woman bled for 72 hours straight applying that to learning is not possible you know you can't learn 72 hours straight but the second answer of the gamarra you know is uh is applicable possibly maybe that's what the schla means okay that's the end of the second parad Nazer. Okay. Now we start a Mishna. This is a Mishna that we discussed at length on D and on Dav and there's Mas between Ravasna and Barada. And basically just to review the according to Ravna Stamus is according to Barada Stamer is 29 days. Now according to even though you you should really be able to go through the procedure of Tara on the 30th day but we don't but under certain conditions we're going to see that uh you might be able to okay we're going to uh learn this Mishna according to that's the Mishna the Mishna basically has four parts to it and uh let's take a look guy says beholder he shaves on the 31st day which is right so he saves on the 31st day if he shaved on the 30th day You're also yay. Why are you also yay? Because um but you wait until afterwards. But if the guy didn't take upon himself, but instead he took upon himself specifically 30 days, if he shaved on the 30th day, he's not. So if he took upon himself, if he shaved on the 30th day, you're if he says I take upon myself 30 days, then if you do it on the 30th day, you're not. That's the first part. The second part of the mission is one who took upon himself two. The first time he's going to shave on day 31 which is and the second day 61. Why day 61? cuz day 31 is counting both as day 31 of the first period and um the first day of the second one. So therefore, you count the second on day 61. If you shaved your hair on the first period on day 30, then it's good. And now that's also day one of the second period. You have to do the second time, not on day 59 because you always have to wait till the 31st day. So the second period you do it on day six. If you do it the second time on day 59, you are what are you showing me? Oh, you're showing me the Mishabur. Thank you. Where is it? Biv this says ah Yeah, thank you. But he doesn't explain why. I never understood. It's brought in the beginning of the Mishnab. I never understood why. Maybe somehow it it bookends the uh the whole day. Okay. Um fine. The Mishna continues, "This testimony was was uh testified by Rapio on someone who made if you shaved for the first one on the 30th day, if you did it on day 59, Because day 30 counts not only as day 30 of the first one but also as the first day of the second one. Let's see. We brought it earlier in the first part. They each explain it according to their approach. So it counts for both. The truth is you only need 29 on the first one. The is on day 30. What does the mean? It counts for the second one because it's day 30 is day one of the second term. So, and day 59 is day 30 of the second term. Fine. The Mishna continues, let's say he became on the 30th day. So wait a second. He became on the 30th day. Now even though if he would have shaved his head on the 30th day, you would the would work. You're right. But you still can't become he unravels everything. Rebelar says he only demolishes seven days. Now what does it mean he only demolishes seven days? Rebelar says look he finished his nazer's period even though he didn't shave yet but he still has to observe a pahara. I'm sorry. the Tanakama holds he he blew his nazerus because even though he didn't shave he has to observe it but the harasser says no he didn't blow anything he observed nazerus the only thing is he has to bring his carbon he can't bring the carbon if he's t so it's going to take him he's going to have to wait 7 days to go through a purification process so the iska it doesn't actually demolish anything there's no demolishing at all fine says the Mishna Ver says the Mishna. Now the again you understand why it's seven days because it's not stra at all. It's just it's a 7-day purification says the Mishna. If somebody says I'm for 30 days. So now he explicitly said he's going to be in for 30 days. If he became Tommy on the 30th day that's everything that everybody agrees it's everything says right the guy says he brings a carbon is finished on the 29th day and it's where you would say it doesn't bring of a nazer which is so in [snorts] other words according to it's only And you don't have to bring a carbon for a who became because according to you only bring a carbon for uh form not for fine. The mish continues. If a guy says, "Behold, I'm for 100 days became on the 100th day." He sicer everything. Rebelar has a remember this. He's only 30 days. Why 30 days? It's a special that if you're the last day, you're only 30 days. Now, normally if it was only a 30-day nazer, so then you'd only have to do 30 days. But here it's 100 day neros, you also only have to do a 30 days. If what what happens if you became on the 101st day 30 days? What? Why? Why is it sicer 30 days? That's a little odd. Um says it's only so let's try to understand this. If you say that we understand if you say and so that was the tanama says let's There's no you're on the last day of Ra who says that technically is only 29 days. So according to ra masna according to rabelazar he holds mixai and even if you became tame before the carbanis and the raan we don't say mix kulai only where you brought your carbon but on the 30th day are you say as if you brought them on the 31st day. So again if you say and you became on the 30th day because you became while you're still within the realm of your 30-day nazer says no you finish the job and the only thing is you can't bring a carbon in a state of so it's going to take seven days if you say everyone agrees if you became on the 30th day it's if you say so the tan says says it's only but if you became tummy on the 101st day the tanakama says it's why in the world would it be so look in tois So he says to her master doesn't argue doesn't argue says 30 days and here from his extra language that he says lammed l If says so if he says he means to say therefore even according to who says and if you're on the last day it's not here it's because said you're not relying on because why did you say 30 30 must mean uh 30 Okay. But what about this last case? If somebody said, "I'm another for 100 days and he became tummy on the 101st day." Why does it tan say >> the same thing? >> Yeah. >> 100 complete days. He's finished 100 complete days. >> Yeah. But he tell me on the 101st day, >> right? So he only has to go back 30 to the whole thing. >> Why? Why 30? >> He finished 100 complete days. >> Okay. He shouldn't have to go back at all. He said 100 days. So he became the 101st day. Why should he go back at all? >> First thing that it's it fits in meaning. >> No, it doesn't. Initially he has to go back not in 100 days that when it wasn't 100 was 30 days >> it was 30 when he he has the whole thing is >> that's because he became tame on the 30th day cuz he ac but here he only accepted 100 days he became tummy on the 101st day he wasn't s or anything look in the rush Last line. That's ex you might get confused between day 101 and day 100. We're not, by the way, we never, nobody said if you became tummy on day 31, it's so 30. It's only You've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by to anytime.com.