Daf Hashavua - Nazir 6a

Okay, good evening friends. Continuing inf let's start again from three lines from the bottom says we learned in Mishna let's just review we have a between and is of the opinion nazerus is a full-fledged 30 days he learns it out from the word ya which is a gamatria and the eon share we brought the rush says gumatria is not one of then says no it's an legitimate method of hermeneutic exesis it's a legitimate method of dasha uh and therefore all procedures needs to take place on day 31 however subscribes to the principle of part of a day is called that's the opinion of ramas bar learns about from the fact that it says 29 times. He holds fundamentally says 29 days. However, he holds as a gazer to a case where you said 30 full days. [clears throat] Excuse me. You need to count 30 days and do the procedure on day 31. However, if you did it on day 30, it would be good. Does not subscribe to the principle of okay, that's where we're holding. We're going to start again from hey, three lines from the bottom nazeros. one who dedicated himself to take upon himself three periods of nazirus. He shaves the first time on day 31 which seems straight up like that is 30 days and you do the procedure on day 31 and then the second procedure on day 61. Now at first glance that's hard to understand because if you need 30 full days then and then you do the procedure on day 31. So day 31 does it count even? Maybe you need to start uh the procedure on maybe you need to start the second of zeros on day 32 finish on day 61 and do the procedure on day 62. But no uh the garra says of according to this is all fine and good. Why the first ner is 30 days. You do the procedure on day 31. Day 31 will also count as the first day of the second set. So according to this is all fine and good. But according to bar who says and say is 29 days it's it's difficult because why do you do the procedure on day 31 you should do the procedure on day 30 now as pointed out we already asked this question and we already answered that in the world of bara it's a gazer to a case where you said I need to do 30 days schllayman but asis pointed out we the garra dar is to reiterate points that it made earlier. If there's a slight kadesh and what is the slight kadesh? We'll see that even subscribes to mix as we're about to see responds. Bar responds responds tell me the If you shaved for the first series on the 30th day, you could shave for the second ner on day 60. Now that off the bat supports bar because that indicates that ner could be 29 days and you could shave on day you could cut your hair on day 30 and then again on day 60. So this is definitely a a toa that it's okay to do it on day 30. So RPA says now that we got that out of the way that I have a support the supports. So what's the in the according to that you need to do it on the 31st day the is talking about where it's not we said we had this uh already it's where's the changes the gear the it's treated as if you said meaning we have to make less you say I need to do uh 30 full days okay it's it's treated as if he said I need to do 30 full days so that's why you need to shave on day 31 [snorts] so asa. Okay. So the safa supports because it says if you do it on the day 30 it works. So says it's a question on the safa. Why? Because the safa says that if you did the shaving on day 30 it's sufficient. But how does that fit in to ra the says you need uh it's okay to do the gil on day 30 why says garnas would say that the reason for the safa of why you could uh do the shaving on day 30 the explains Because the 30th day counts for this and for that. Meaning the 30th day is day 30 and it's also the first day of the next cycle. It's Let's see. Tyus Tyus. Now, the Tyus, the Tyus looks a little daunting on this page, but luckily the daf only allows us to do certain tyus, you know. So, the ones that we're going to be reading now are from that it says if you shave for the first time on the 30th day, it's okay. You see that you could be on day 30 the it explains the 30th day counts for this and for that per now the Maharav Ranchberg now takes out the next 18 words. Okay, he just makes a small ammendation in the text of Tyus. You know, [laughter] usually, you know, the Bach will change one or two words. Here he takes out one, two, three, 23 words. The Marav Ranchberg takes out the next 23 words of he replaces it with different words and they read as follows. If you look in Ranchburg, he says, "If you shave, if you cut your hair the first time on day 30 because for the third day, you could say part of it helps for the first need 31 days the duration says 30 days like we answer in the why do you shave the second time on the 60th day 30 works for the beginning of the Just like anyone who wakes up in the middle of the day and says, "I want to be a that that day counts." It comes out that the 30th day is the beginning of the second. Therefore, listen carefully. It's not only you could shave on day 60. Now you could shave on day 60 if you cut your hair on day 30 once you did that but it's also it's day 30 and it's day one. So therefore day 60 is day 60 is day 31 of the second cycle even okay now the garra has a kasha the garra continues what's the logic over here in the logic is that part of a day is like a whole We already taught that once. We already taught that from an earlier part of the Mishna. The earlier part of the Mishna says that if you shave on day 30, it's it works. Why? because oft. So now all of a sudden, good morning America, we have this new case that if you accepted two nazerus and you shave on day 30, you could it works and then you could shave again on day 60. And the mix what? This is a big discovery. We already we already revealed that already revealed it. Um we already taught that once. Look back in [snorts] my what's the teaching me? We learned that from the earlier part of the Mishna. It's taught. It says if someone accepts upon himself ner shaves on the 31st day if he cut his hair on the third day. to which the Gmorra answers no I might have thought when do we say that's one period of nazir so if a guy accepted upon himself and he said then if he shaved on the 30th day it's effective why because now you want to you want to have it both ways you want to have your cake and eat it but to say that day 30 counts as the 30th day of the first cycle and the first day of the second cycle you want to pull mix in both directions I would say not then in the world of could work in both ways okay from the ratio all I see is that part of the 30th day it works for But for two like that, you're going to count the beginning of the 30th day for the end of the first and then and then you want it to work as the first day of the second Nazir. Maybe not fine. So far so good. Yeah. Ellie, you're good. It's good. The reason I'm picking on Ellie because that's my brother's name. So he's, you know, I'm giving him favoritism. Fine. There we go. Tan inimas. Okay. We learned in the Mishna. This is just we're continuing to quote. If you shaved on the 59th day, on the 60th day minus one, you're why? Because the 30th day counts. What does it mean? The 30th day counts. Again, we're talking about a guy. He accepted two Nazeras. He ended the first one on day 30 and now on the second one at day 31. We had in the previous case the safa. What was it? What did we learn in the you do the second one? Why? Because is day one. The the 30th day is count could count as day 30 of the first Nazirus. It could count as day one of the second Nazirus. It's over on day 59 and you'll cut your hair on day 60. But what if you did it on day 59? So now what you're doing is you're using mixam kakuli three times. You're shaving on day 30 because that this little bit of day 30 is the 30th day. You now start on that very day, day one of the next cycle. So that's to the next cycle. And then on day 59, which is the 30th day, you're using once again, which should work. Now according to this is great subscribes to mix it doesn't matter how many times but why does it work? Now according to I understand not only I understand the and I understand the logic. The logic given is day 30 counts as the 30th day of the first cycle and the first day of the second cycle. But according to how do you read this? Why does need to count? But according to you only need 29 days. Look at the lion of the bry. The bry seems to say or the Mishna seems to say day 30 counts for the cycle. What do you mean it counts for the cycle? According to that's great. You need it to count for day 30. But according to you don't need it to count for day 30. You only need 29 days. This wording this expression is not correct. Why does it have to count as a 30th day? >> That's our doesn't hold of mix. >> Correct. >> So you're you're asking or answering. >> So then the 30th day doesn't count as the first day. the 30th day >> according to bara doesn't count as the first day >> well bara may may subscribe to mix kakuli in the beginning just not in the end right so but the lush of the Mishna is it counts as the 30th day well in the world of bara it doesn't need to count as the 30th day because you only need 29 days let's see how to understand the question The needed to go and say the third day counts for this and for that. The first shaving was on the 30th day. Uh what is that? Gimmel going on. He takes out the word Shatimsa. Marav Ranchberg takes out the wordimsa. One more time. According to Masa, it's good. The Tana needed to go out and say that the 30th day counts for this direction and that direction. The first cutting of the hair was on the 30th day. And the the second cutting of the hair was on the 59th day when the nazerus of 30 days finished from the time he shaved the first time. He has to explain how could you shave on day 30 and day 20 and day 59. The answer is because day 30 counts as the last day of the first cycle and the first day of the second cycle. But according to why would you have to say that the nazerus of the 30th? Why would you have to say day 30 counts this way and that way? It doesn't need to count for the first cycle. You only need to observe 29 days. I'm sorry. Why was the Tana so lengthy and gave a reason for his words? The whole cutting in the air was on day 30 and of course it works. You don't need some kind of fancy lus why it works because the 30th day counts for this way and for that way. No, the optimal time to cut your hair is day 30. you because Nazir is only 29 days. Of course, we tell you to do day 31. That's for an outside gazer, but fundamentally you could cut your hair on day 30. You don't need a fancy logic why you're allowed to cut your hair on day 30. According to Ra, you need a fancy logic why you could cut your hair on day 30. Mix in both directions. So that's why the Tana went out of his way to supply the day 30 counts this way and that way. But in the world of there's no fancy logic that you need to explain why it's effective if you cut your hair on day 30. That's the optimal time to do it. It's true. We ask you to wait one more day because of for an outside concern, but we don't need this whole long long- winded explanation. You know, there's a rule in life that if you don't need to say something, don't say it. Let's say um let's say if anyone here just had right when you get up to speak don't tell people what you are going to say. No it's bad enough you're subjecting them to what you are going to say. They don't need to hear what you were going to say or you were thinking about saying. So why would the Tana need to give this whole explanation in the world of bara? Of course you could shave on day 30. So says the gar would say no no no I was also reliant on this. This is where I based my opinion upon that fundamentally you could shave on day 30. Huh? This is where I inferred the duration of is 29 days because it says day 30 counts. It doesn't mean it counts toward the first cycle. It means the don't think what the Tana meant is that it works for the first cycle and the second cycle means it counts toward the second cycle. And this is where I derive that 30 days means it's only 29 days. It that that means The rash changes it from Ella again. From here I infer it just doesn't counter the four first cycle. Make boy. Um, the Tana, excuse me, you have to put in the world word. The Tana is not so lenient. Yeah, the words are saying that Tana is so lenient to allow it to work in both ends. But they they changed the ga to make you know you see how difficult is without rashi. You see the abundance of many many manyo that have to be added and just to get through the the tus over here. Okay, fine. We're almost done. We're almost done. Okay, this is one of the harder pages here. Tan. So basically what the isra is saying is even though at first glance the words the 30th day counts seems to indicate that it counts toward the first minion which supports rama is not just the opposite. It means it counts toward the second one. And from here he deres that really ner fundamentally is 29 days. We learned in the Mishna again same Mishna somebody says behold I'm you ready this is a a great case and then then he became on the 30th day the is that if you become while you're still counting the basic nazeros days it disrupts the entire nazeros and you have to count again as opposed to if you became tame after you fulfilled your nazeros You don't have to count again. Okay? So if somebody became tame on day 10, he has to count again. Somebody became nazer on day 28, he has to count again. Somebody became nazer on day 29. Everybody would agree has to count again. But if you became nazer on day 30, presumably Barbad would say you already did your time. You wouldn't have to it wouldn't be wouldn't demolish your but here we have a says here He became on day 30. It destroys and demolishes everything. This is understandable according to Masa because on day 30 he's still counting his time. Now you say, "What do you mean?" True. That's only if youap and you bring the carbon. But if you didn't bring the carbon yet, then you're still counting your nazerus. You're not exercising because if you came to me on the 30th day, but you already did your time. It was over on day 29. The only reason to continue to observe the Nazeros is only because of a decree to maybe you said 30 full days but it's it's not going to it shouldn't demolish the whole period of Nazerus since you already fulfilled your time in okay this question is simple take a look it's one two 11 lines from the bottom we only have to do like a couple lines is difficult both in the first statement of this Mishna and the second one. We didn't even see the second one yet, but let's see. Why does this demolish the 30th day? Whether you became tummy on the 30th day or you became on day 101. We'll see what that means. You completely fulfilled your vow. See? So what do you mean? Maybe it demolishes the nazirus rabbitically since rabbitically you need to observe 30 days. So maybe if he became tummy on the 30th day. No. One second. This wouldn't work out because of a factor we're going to see coming up. And the answer is will be revealed that is okay. Okay. Have a good night everyone. Thank you. >> Thank you Rob. Okay. Good night.