Daf Hashavua - Nazir 7b

Correct. >> Okay, good evening everyone. Shalom aleichem, baruch haba'im. We're continuing daf shvua. We're learning daf zayin amud bet. We begin four lines from the bottom on zayin amud alef, the Mishnah. Hareini nazir v'yom echad. Behold, I am a nazir and one day. Hareini nazir v'yom echad. Behold, I'm a nazir and one day. Hareini nazir v'sha'ah achas. Behold, I'm a nazir and one hour. Hareini nazir achas u'mechetza. Behold, I'm a nazir one and a half. Hareini nazir shtayim. He has taken upon himself two naziruses. Now, we're going to see in Tosafos that the operating factor here is that juxtaposed to the word nazir is the word v'yom. He said, "Hareini nazir v'yom echad." So, it's like he's saying hareini nazir v' yom echad nazir. Or, hareini nazir v'sha'ah achas nazir, as opposed to in the next Mishnah on the fourth line on zayin amud bet, where he says, "Hareini nazir shloshim yom v'sha'ah achas." Then you're a nazir for 31 days, not two that two times of 30. Why? Cuz if you look carefully, there you're saying hareini nazir shloshim yom v'sha'ah achas, the sh- or nazir ha- shloshim v'echad yom, the hour where the day is not next to the word nazir. When you put somehow when you put it next to the word nazir, it's like you're doing it again. You're doing nazir again. The positioning of the second added time frame next to the word Nazir, you're doing it again. >> [clears throat] >> Okay, so now the Gamorah is going to ask, why do I need Nazir V I Mechad, Nazir V'sha Achas, Nazir U'Mechatza? The Gamorah is going to be saying very, very fine Svaros. Says Gamorah, "L'ma Li L'misnei Kol Hani?" Why do I need all these three cases? "Tzrichi I need it." "D'ei Tana, Hareini Nazir V'I Mechad." If you said a Nazir in one day, "Hacha Hu D'amina Eina Zei Usli I Mechad." Here we say, there is no Nazirus for one day. "Am Tula Hachi, therefore Kamani Tartin, you're counting two periods of Nazirus." "Aval Hareini Nazir V'sha Achas." But if you say, "Behold, I'm a Nazir and one one hour." "Limni L'amed V'echad Yom, count 31 days." There's no such thing as Hey, uh sorry. >> Yeah. >> I'm recording. >> Okay, guys. >> So, um if you said 30 days and one day, there's no such thing as one day. So, in such a case, you have no way to explain it. So, well, how do we How do we explain the one day? We explain the one day, the one day is a full period of Nazirus. But an hour, count 30 days and one day. So, that that's strange. What do you mean? There's no such thing as one hour of Nazirus, either. But somehow, there's no such thing as one day, so what you mean is two periods of nazirus. But, if you say "Harini nazir and 1 hour", then we say "I would have thought you count 31 days." Kamashmalan, no, you take two periods of nazirus. The e tana sha'ah achas, if you would say 1 hour, mishum dilay nachis lidavka, you're not really being that precise. Aval, achas umetzah, but 1 and 1/2, dinachis lidavka, where you are um being very precise, so maybe what you mean is you want to be a nazir for 45 days. Ema loy limni tarti, I would say maybe in that case don't count two nazirus periods. Kamashmalan, the chidush is kulu nazir shtayim. Um in all these cases you're a nazir for two periods, says Tosfos. Tosfos is found on like the 12th wide line on zayin amud bet. Harini nazir vi yom echad. Look carefully. Visamach nazir bidiburay itzel hayom. Next to the word um yom, you juxtapose the word nazir. Veitzel hasha'ah, or next to the word hour, you juxtapose the word nazir. So, have a kilo amar "Harini nazir vi nazir yom echad." Oy nazir [clears throat] sha'ah. Oy nazir metzah. Shu shuloh hayah yachol likarovteve nazir yosa itzel metzah. There's no way you could have gotten the word metzah closer to the word nazir. Shuloh hayah yachol lomar "Harini nazir umetzah." You couldn't say "Harini nazir umetzah." So, what you said was "Harini nazir achas umetzah." The word achas will not be an interference. Because if you would have said "Harini nazir umetzah", dilay mashma midi, it had would have implication would have no meaning What's it have going on? Nazir They are they are my mother but they wish Nazir I'm a Nazir for one If you [clears throat] let's say you would have said let's say a guy would have said I am a Nazir for one day or I am a Nazir for an hour. Have a Nazir So he's a Nazir for 30 days. There is no Nazir for one day. Therefore you're Nazir twice. Okay. So now the wanted to know why why do I need all the cases of Nazir Nazir What I'm still unclear about is Only by a day it turns into 30 because there's no such thing as um Nazir for a day. So okay but there's no such thing as Nazir for an hour either. Let's see. Nazir Parish We consider it as if he said Nazir Nazir If he would have said behold I'm a Nazir and a Nazir for one There is no Nazir for one day. Therefore he has to count twice. Nazir this hour has Then I would have thought Nazir this hour has the meaning of limit. Maybe he's counting 1 hour to the count of 30. They change the gears is to limni lamid The count 31. Isn't it enough for that hour It's one thing to take a day and make it 30. But to take an hour and make it 30, it's more reasonable to say take the hour make it a day. Not sure why because there's no such thing as for an hour. But maybe it's too much of a stretch. You know, to make it from a from a day you could stretch it to 30. An hour it's like you have to double stretch it. Maybe we don't stretch it so far. Since uh you need to add to his word anyway because an hour has no meaning, no you're going to add a complete this. If we would have taught 1 hour because that's imprecise. It's something that can't be. There is no for hours. to his word so we'll add a show them. But there is a 45-day zeros. There's no such thing as a 30-day and 1 hour zeros, but there is a 45-day zeros. I would say don't count twice. LM and hey. Have a small and the cool Nazir Stein. >> [clears throat] >> In all these cases you take two Nazirs. Next Mishna. Behold I'm a Nazir 30 days and 1 hour. Nazir is a Nazir 31 days. There's no Nazirs for hours. In this case we pointed out since there's a between the word Nazir and a house so it's not like you said the Nazir is going back on the original one. Says twice this. Nazir the house the Nazir a house. Now the word Nazir is not going on the hour. Have a Nazir 11 days. The Nazir is 31 days and the Nazir a house. There's no Nazirs for hours a house. As if he said Nazir 11 days. If a guy says I'm a Nazir 31 days then it's a 31 day Nazir. The one day combines well with the 30 days 11 Nazir to become a Nazir 11 days. Nazir the one day a house. Likewise if a guy said behold I'm a Nazir 30 Nazir 30 even without the word 11 the one day a house. The 11 Nazir 11 days he only knows the 31 days 30 between us lamid. He was mafsik with the 30 the arisha kai. The arisha kai, it's going back on the original zeros. So why didn't it pick that case? I look at the guy akham in adinan. It picked one of the cases. It picked the case of harayni nazir shloishim yom. Visha akhas. It could have picked a case and harayni nazir shloishim yom v'yom echad. Or am I the the salik khilik? On the last case we spoke about it differentiated cuz the last case in the previous mishna was sha akhas. Harayni nazir visha akhas. So now it says harayni nazir shloishim yom visha akhas. The haynu the kamel harayni nazir visha akhas. But why didn't she use the khalik arisha the mishna? It could have made the same khilik in the first case harayni nazir v'yom echad. But it it now differentiated in the previous mentioned case. They come harayni nazir v'yom echad. Fine. >> What what can't you say from that first mishna when he says harayni nazir it is the stam nazir shloishim yom. So therefore that's shloishim yom and then v'yom echad is going on a new thing because stam nazir shloishim yom. >> So >> in the second mishna? >> So why why in the second mishna are you a nazir for 31 days? >> Cuz he said harayni nazir shloishim yom that means he was trying to differentiate something different. How's that the from the the the as opposed to the other one which is the harayni nazir means shloishim yom. So now he's going on to a new statement it's another thing. But here in the second mishna harayni nazir shloishim yom he didn't have to say shloshim yom. In fact, if he says shloshim yom, he connects it into the next thing. >> He's saying it's not because of a hefsek, it's because the extra words are saying that it's a chiddush that it's 31. >> And based on how we understood stam nezirus. >> But still, maybe the chiddush is saying it's 31 days, I'm sorry, that it's an it's another period. I mean, it does it prove that he means 31 as opposed to two periods? I mean, it's a difference. Does it prove it? Okay. In other words, that is a chilluk. Okay, let's let's move on a little bit. Amarav. Rav said, lo shanu This din in the Mishnah, that he nazir for 31 days, only applies ela deamar shloshim be achad yom. If he said 31 days, aval amar shloshim yom vi yom echad, but if he said 30 and 1 day, so then um nazir shnayim. Then he's a nazir twice. Meaning the din is only if the guy said Okay, 1 second. The Mishnah actually doesn't say anything about 31 days. But what what the Gemara means is like this. The Mishnah clearly implies if the guy would say 31 days, then the Nazirite will be for 31 days. Right? Cuz the Mishnah saying if the guy says the Shacharit is another for 31 days. So obviously if the guy says I'm a Nazirite for 31 days, he's a Nazirite for 31 days. So on that Rabbah saying that's not necessarily the case. Like Shana the Amerslo the Yime. If he says 31 days, I will Amerslo Yime. The Yime he says 30 days and 1 day. 30 days and 1 day, then he's a Nazirite twice. Why? Let's see Tosefta. Says Tosefta. The Shana the Amerslo Yime perish as I have another Amerslo Yime. I will Amerslo Yime the Yime Nazirite the fish eat terrible Shima. He spoke excessively. There is superfluous superfluosity in his wording. Base Amerslo Yime. He said the word Yime twice. Look at the Amerslo the Shana the Yime Kiva. As we're going to see Rabbah holds like Rabbi Akiva that extra verbiage is uh meaningful. Meaning Rabbah says it's only if he said Amerslo Yime you'll be a Nazirite for 31 days. So if he said 30 days and 1 day, then you're a Nazirite twice. Says the Rabbah like Rabbi Akiva. Rabbah holds like Rabbi Akiva. The Darish you say Rabbi Akiva pays attention to extra wording. The time we learned in the Mishnah that if a guy sells a field and he says I'm selling you the depth and I'm selling you the height, the lawyer bar, the lawyer does, you're not selling the underground pit. You're not selling the overground cistern. Even though you say you're selling the depth and the height. You do not mean to include the bar and the dos. Now, if you don't mean to sell it and the seller's retaining it for himself, how is the seller going to access these areas of the house? The very Rabbi Akiva, how are you going to access it? I don't know. You'll have to buy a path back from the buyer cuz you sold everything. Because Rabbi Akiva holds, you sell by in Yafa. Says Tosfos, lawyer Sabah ain't no halal bias. It's not part of the house. The seller has to buy a path to the pit from the buyer. He sold it to him in a with a generous spirit. He didn't leave anything over for himself. However, the you don't have to. Why? The buyer in Rama you sell a stingily the shower at my death and you left the death for yourself. Um What might the Rabbi Akiva? Rabbi Akiva's might that If you say I'm selling everything besides the bar and the dos, which you didn't have to say cuz you weren't selling it anyway. So, you're saying extra words. So, if you say I'm selling everything but that, then you do leave over the path. Why? But you didn't say you're leaving over the path. Because we take your extra verbage and we say that's what what it's meant for. So, you need to So, too, if you say the I'm you're accepting upon yourself to Nazirite. Says twice this You spoke extra shibboleth Marcus a bar. Otherwise, you did not sell the pit. I'm meaning even had you not said that, you would have then sell the bar. His cabana obviously was to leave a path for himself. Okay? That is the Zion a mode base. Next week, we finish the parak. What nights it will be? I don't know. We might have to do much Shabbos. I don't know. >> Is it possible to say the difference between Shah and Yayin? Is it Shah is not kosher, so it falls into Yayin. Yayin is a is kosher by itself, so therefore Shah should be Yayin which means the second series. >> I hear. I don't think twice this is saying that, but I hear. I think what twice twice this says It's enough you're taking the hour and making it a day. Sounds like it's a actually it's like an extra stretch, right? Making an hour into 30 days is too stretch to how much you're going to stretch the hour. So, I was asking but there's no such thing as Nazirites for an hour. Mhm. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe that's another parish. Okay. Have a good day, everyone. 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