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The EMET Effect: Episode 2 - Interview With Rabbi Kigel & Daniel Matatov
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We're honored to welcome two more voices
from the Emeth family, Rabbi Ruven
Kiegel, Emeth's dynamic campus director,
and Daniel Matatov, a proud Emeth
graduate, successful professional, and
someone who embodies Jewish growth and
community.
Gentlemen, welcome.
Thank you.
Thank you, Alex.
It is a pleasure to have you here.
Um Rabbi, we have a very interesting
question that I think our viewers will
be really happy to hear and learn.
What is your vision for the next phase
of Emeth's campus outreach?
That is an amazing question. You know,
at Emeth's about 21 years old and I've
been there for 18 years. So, my MO on
campus has been get to the campus,
figure out where the Jewish students are
hanging out, and uh basically get them
to like me, and then start programming
where we offer free food, which is
number one for college students. The
free food works, and also a trip to
Poland and an iPad, both an iPad and a
trip to Poland, sometimes a trip to
Israel,
whatever it takes, cuz I know once the
students experience the Emeth
effect, going to the classes, coming to
the Shabbatones, coming on a trip, from
the students who meet statistically,
50% of them become shomer Shabbat, which
is like amazing. You know, when they're
shomer Shabbat, that means they're going
to be obviously marrying Jewish. And if
they're shomer Shabbat, they're
obviously going to be sending their kids
to yeshiva, and it's really a huge deal
that makes a generational impact. And
also, what's amazing about the Bukharian
community, really all communities, but
especially the Bukharian community, is
that not only does the student become
more observant, but then it's like
a ripple effect
not not just a downward ripple effect,
obviously with wife and kids, but it's
also like
an upward effect on his parents and
grandparents. And it's really his or her
parents and grandparents. We have
countless stories of mothers becoming
more observant with their daughters and
fathers and sons and everything and it's
really an amazing thing.
Baruch Hashem. So, but now for your
question, what is the next vision cuz
we've really had sort of been doing
a very similar awesome model for the
last 18 years that I've been there. And
we're around five, six campuses. So, the
next phase is to bring in more senior
rabbis, right? And to get to a total of
10 campuses, which they're around.
There's City College, there's
NYIT, there's Adelpha Adelphi, there's
St. John's, there's of course Queens
College, one of our main places, there's
Baruch College, one of our main places
where Danny and I met. There's
uh
also Hunter College, there's also John
Jay College, and there's we're in New
York, so there's other colleges in the
area as well. There's QCC and everything
in between. And our next vision is to
get to 10 campuses, which is going to
obviously require more staff because we
were not able to deal with that many
people
and make really, really huge impact
because I'm sure as you've heard, I'm
sure as you can imagine,
we have about 10 years left and just too
many years in America for any community,
even someone as strong as the Sephardi
communities, is like leads to more and
more assimilation. So, we have like 10
years where we feel like we can make a
profound difference and we want to take
advantage of that time.
It's not the Hashem. It's only with the
Hashem. Everything we're doing is with
the Hashem's help. Absolutely.
You know, I'm a testament of the Emmet
product, you can say. And
we were discussing it with Rabbi
Ruttenberg just a short while ago how it
began in Beth Gavriel. And I personally
remember attending those lectures. And
it's funny you mentioned food cuz that
That one of the things I said, "Listen,
they had free food, you know?"
Right.
It definitely attracted the younger
generation and it was a place to come,
socialize, to be surrounded strictly by
peers of your culture and background.
Right.
And I remember to this day, it felt I
can't believe it's been over 20 years
already at this point, but um
it it it brought me
much closer to religion. From those
lectures, I was introduced to
Shabbat, Shabbat homes, etc. And baruch
Hashem, I I have kids who are attending
yeshivas. I'm coming from Forest Hills
High School. And
it's a different it's a different
upbringing. Right now, to sit at a
Shabbat table and to hear my kids say,
"The parsha of the week was"
It's worth every penny. It's worth every
dime.
Right. I mean, and coming from a
communist background, you we like you
literally
got your Judaism back from what the
communists stole from your grandparents.
That's amazing. And I also know,
obviously, you spent your cousins, your
brothers, relatives what all over this
house as well, and it really makes a
huge
impact on everyone. Baruch Hashem.
And I feel like this is an important uh
purpose of this current campaign. We
have a problem. Our community is
growing. It's a good problem. And uh the
there's more schools that need to be
um
attended to.
Right.
And hence the staff need, and hence the
financial need.
Right. Absolutely.
Right. We need it. There's
That's the vision. Right? Cuz if you can
keep doing the same thing, but not if
the community requires more.
Daniel,
how did Emes help you grow on your
Jewish journey? And how did it I I From
what I understand, you also met your
wife.
Yeah, partially.
Indirectly, directly, but yeah, it also
happened that way.
Please share it with us.
Yeah, it was a it was a combination of a
lot of things. I am very blessed. I'm
very grateful to, you know, to have the
man beside me when I was 18 years old,
you know, what what do we know as kids
in college?
Even though I went to Yeshiva,
you know, I don't want to bash the high
school that I went to, but it was it was
quite secular. It wasn't the most It
wasn't the best representation of of you
know, Judaic education.
So, a lot of kids after high school,
unfortunately, they do they can you
know, they can plateau and worse, you
know, fall off.
So,
and you know, I'm very lucky and
grateful that Rabbi Keagle gave me the
opportunity cuz I remember he was he was
speaking to kids at the time. I was just
I This was 7-8 years ago when it was it
was smaller. It was much smaller than it
was now. You know, like EMET did it got
a lot of momentum and it's nice to see
that EMET compounded to so many students
today. I was speaking to someone in the
morning that's saying, you know, I love
EMET and I went to Yeshiva and now I'm
not part of it. So, it's it's a good
problem to have where like there's the
demand is so strong to go to EMET but
and there's so many students that still
want to go that went to Yeshiva. So, I
don't know if I'd have that opportunity
today.
I remember when I was 18,
freshman year, Rabbi Keagle stops me and
says, "Hey,
you can use EMET. Let's do this."
And of course, every kid's thinking,
"Oh, I don't know. You know, a guy with
you know, a guy with a hat stopping you,
you know, like saying you need to come
to my class, you know, you don't you
never know where it's going to go, but
you know, as I said, I'm very grateful
for Rabbi Keagle stopping me. Besides
the iPad, besides the classes which you
know, it it helps. It really does help
when you when you you know, you're not
working. You're just going to school.
You don't really have much. So,
getting food, getting the I don't know
what the stipend was, 3-400 bucks.
We never give out money. It was always
an
I know that down
no more.
No, no, we Sorry, I missed the end.
Don't worry about it. Yeah, no, no, we
just
we don't like to do that. We give we
give it either an iPad to like the brew
students or we prefer you know,
obviously it costs more money to send
people on a trip which is a real
experience.
Listen, who would
these kids would never in their life
consider going to these trips if they
weren't you know, if they weren't
subsidized. You know, to go to Poland
How much was the trip?
I think we charged like $600 to go to
Poland.
practically free for these kids to go
for a like one in a lifetime
opportunity. When is a Bukharian kid
going to go to Poland and experience
Auschwitz? When are we going to see the
millions of names in, you know, in the
Auschwitz Museum? Never. To see
Bukharian names like not Bukharian
names. Some Bukharian names, we saw
prisoner of war names. I saw names of my
family which, you know, trying to
connect it back to my family and my
family was shocked. It's crazy
that, you know,
there's a organization in Queens that
can take you across the world. You know,
who would think that in, you know, 21st
century that we would even need that,
but
you know, what Em is doing is a
blessing.
And fast forward to, you know, before
I'm getting married. Even though I like
to give my credit and I would like to
give the credit to my grandmother cuz
she she kind of did some of the work.
The closest Rabbi I saw Yeah, but we
always have to give the credit cuz
That's right.
she gets upset when I say this because
this is 50% Bubbie and 50% Rabbi
Fuzaylov. You know, and um
the importance of Emmet because I live
in Forest Hills on 108 Street, there's
so many kids. It It's so local. You
know, the market is so local. It's not
like Emmet's like selling this prod-
product of Kiruv in in San Diego or in
Florida. It's so local. It hits close to
home, you know, like you're hitting
direct to the market. You say it, the
product. You know, we are the product.
Kids from Forest Hills, Rego Park,
Fresh Meadows, you know, it's it's so
close to home. So, it's very you know,
we're Who else is going to do it? So, I
remember my grandmother, like all
Bubbie's, they're throwing darts on the
on the
board to see what sticks. Like, Danny,
try this. Danny, try that. And I'm like,
Bubbie, you know, stop pinning me. I
want to, you know, let me be.
And Rabbi Fuzaylov, who's going to
listen to their grandmother? So, I kept
in the back of my mind. And then Rabbi
Fuzaylov,
he said, Danny,
and I never met my wife at the time.
Never. Never heard of her. Never seen
her. Danny, there's this girl that my
wife teaches.
Like, she might suit you.
And she was coming to the Em and Em
Fellowship.
She was
How was she Where was she teaching her?
to one of the She was going to one of
the classes and um
by King David that shul.
I don't know if it was a Tuesday or a
Wednesday. I believe it was a Tuesday.
That was the Emes fellowship, right?
It was a Tuesday class for girls.
Right.
And I'm thinking, "You know what? I love
my bubbeleh dearly. She knew me my whole
life, but I feel like I could trust her
or Refoel Eisel's opinion better." But I
took it as a chance that an Emes rabbi
he he knew me for years. Rabbi Kugler
knew me for years. Rabbi Refoel Eisel,
they saw me growing up as a kid and they
said, "You know what? Based off your
needs, maybe you need this. Maybe you
can use that." And I took his cuz I was
in his house. But the only reason why I
took his suggestion because he was so
local. I would literally walk two, three
blocks to his house on Shabbat every
three weeks. What else am I going to do
on Shabbat? Walk to his house. He looks
at me and says, "Danny, you know what?
My wife teaches this girl.
She might be for you." And I'm thinking,
cuz this is the second time I'm hearing
in a week, so I'm like that you know, it
has to be a sign. But we're just
throwing darts and I'm like, "I don't
know." But
but uh you know, Rabbi Refoel Eisel was
saying it, it made sense and you know,
first date went to yeah, for us getting
married. So, who would who who knows?
You know, of course meant to be that I'm
I'm supposed to be with my wife like
everyone else with their wife, but Rabbi
Refoel Eisel was like the was the
messenger, you know? He was He was the
He was the middle man, you know? And I
had to go through that. I had to go
through Emes, you know, I had to go
through a rabbi knowing me, watching me
grow up as a kid to go through that. So,
it's interesting to see how things go
out, how Emes is involved not only in
your spiritual life, but in your
physical life.
Right. Right.
Yeah, I'm definitely an example of uh
you know, Emes being very involved in my
life and I'm very proud to be part of
Emes.
You know, one other thing, I don't know
if you feel this, but obviously everyone
has relatives and their own friend
group, but sometimes if you start
growing religiously, you don't
necessarily have them. Right? Cuz
they're they may either be ahead of you
below below you. They're not like
necessarily growing with you. And we
really try to create at Emes, Sarah,
Dena and I talk about this a lot as we
call them Emes friends. Where other
people are on the journey with you. Like
I remember during COVID, everything's
closed, Emes open. Right? So, and we had
like a great summer program. Remember
you came on the like summer trip to the
class goes and the people there we took
like 20 25 guys they all bonded with
each other. You know, and they became
like in some ways like really life long
friends.
Regardless of age, regardless of school
backgrounds, everyone of you.
Right. Right. Right. Yes, it was it was
like a really an amazing experience and
then you have someone to grow with when
I was becoming observant. So the hardest
thing about it was I didn't have anyone
to grow with. And so it's really great
to be in the Forest Hills community and
we're really Forest Hills Fresh Meadows
Queens let's call it and we really are
bringing people together that either
friend groups start growing together or
you make other friends that you grow
together with as well which is a really
amazing.
Slowly turns into a family.
100%.
Right. We actually
I'll tell you a funny story. We made a
shower buffer first someone
like last week. Now it happened to be a
a student and we this a female student
we were very close with her brother as
well and she got married and we we
really didn't know the Khaton at all
from he never came to he never really
came to any of my classes
and at the end he says I can't believe
you guys threw me a shower buffer like
there's no way any other organization
could would ever do this.
I'm not sure with Bukharian food.
Right. Well, it wasn't so Bukharian it
was from I think it was from Posh. So
but it was delicious. So
Bukharian own roots.
Oh, okay. They must have I felt there
was something there something in the
seasoning. So
So
me and
his new brother-in-law looking with the
same ties when we say "Amits not
organization, it's a family." You know,
and that's really the distinction and so
that when you're when your organization
of course you don't throw a shower
buffer for someone that you don't never
even come across your door but if you're
a family and someone marries like one of
your close students so then of course
you make a shower buffer.
Danny, I feel like you touched a very
very key point and it's important for
people to know. You said that you come
from a Yeshiva background. So,
this goes to show just because
you're being sent to Yeshiva
as a child, so the parents that send
their children,
um it's a great thing, but it doesn't
necessarily guarantee that your child
will have a um
the proper foundation or the the yearn,
the desire of being Jewish. It sometimes
takes an outside
organization such as Emmet to bring you
closer to basically sort of solidify
that bond.
and maintained. High school's not
enough.
And I feel like Emmet definitely is able
to do that.
Right. I mean, most the majority, just
like the majority of the population is
going to public school, so that's the
majority of our students, but we do have
kids that go to Ezra, to North Shore,
and places like in places like that
where their parents are essentially
sending them there to just avoid public
school, and they're maybe not getting
the some background information or basic
information that they need, and we
really do provide that in Emmet, and and
it's great. And sort of like puts all
the pieces together, and those and those
students fly.
Yeah, the amount of kids that we see
that go to Yeshiva and go the other way,
and so many kids from Four Seasons High
School that are more observant than me.
It's insane.
It's crazy, but partially because of
Emmet, a lot of people went through
their own route. We have a a good
friend, Dennis for example, he he's a
clear example of a baal teshuva where he
he went he went from zero to 100 really
quickly. Like he
It wasn't super quickly from my
standpoint.
Relative to a lot of Yeshiva students,
like what up, you know, he
Right.
He's you know, he's a great example of
You know,
He's also determined. Like he really
cared about Judaism. He It's like he was
introduced to it, and you know, it
needed to be nurtured.
Right.
You caught on a a soul that needed that
nurturing, and Emmet was part of the
spark.
And one of our really just our core
values in Emmet is like the rabbis and
the rebbetzins and the teachers, we're
just the guides. Like you were saying,
the students are the heroes.
We're providing information, we're
showing them classes, we're ex-
providing for them experiences, but at
the end of the day it's one's own
determination and how they feel about
Hashem that's making them grow. The The
students are are the heroes. We're We're
the guides. We're just, you know, we're
sort of in the middle.
Messengers.
Yeah, just the messengers. And it's
interesting cuz it's like about calls
all their hero rabbis shluchim. Right?
Cuz they're just the messengers. Well,
they're like I'm just a messenger.
So, baruch Hashem.
Rabbi, we've heard stories of
transformations, learning, connection
rooted in the mission of Emunah.
Can you share with us one story that
really is resonates with you that's like
one that really
sticks. Um you know,
we like literally we have so many
stories. Like I always kid around with
my kids like I have to like write a
memoir cuz there's so many different
things that happened all the like
literally or literally all the time. So,
I'll just say what's it been the the
last story which is something that
occurred like
like a week or so ago. So, we had a
student in Borough College that, you
know, just was hanging out by the hill
over there and we were having an Emunah
program. And then in the And he just was
like I don't know if I really want to
go, but I said, "Hey, guess what?
There's free
food." Right? So, free food and it's
dinner time. I'll come, why not? So, he
comes and he comes to the classes. And
then he also came, you know, for the
shabbaton. It was a great experience. He
wasn't not sure much about it at the
moment. And then
um the program's prize was a
iPad. Right? An iPad for attending all
10 lectures and coming to shabbaton. You
get an iPad just to keep them keep the
students going. So,
um at the end I came up to him. I said,
"Listen, I can give you an iPad or I can
send you to Israel for 3 weeks to go
learn in yeshiva a little bit." He
didn't He didn't have a yeshiva
background. And he thought about it. He
said, "You know what? I can get an iPad
myself. Let's go to yeshiva." So, he He
to yeshiva. And then he liked it so much
he wanted to go back again. But the
problem is that we didn't have a
scholarship for him to go back. So and I
I felt like if I asked him to pay for it
just at that moment he he'd be like,
"Ah, no, forget it. I'd rather go work,
whatever." So I put it on my credit
card. I'm not sure if I had ma'aser
money to give or not, but it didn't
matter.
I put it on my credit card. So then he
went for another few months Yeshiva. So
long story short, I just bumped into him
the other day. He came back. He said
that
second trip really solidified
everything. And he's he showed me
pictures. He's got his wife covering her
hair, two kids. And it's like, "Wow." I
I was like blown away. I said, "Baruch
Hashem, thank you, Hashem."
I was I was I said, "Thank you." I said,
"Thank you, Hashem, for putting me in
the middle of this." It's like it's
amazing. You know, obviously he's the
hero, but it's like great to be in the
middle. It's just to have a
have a a part in that is awesome. And
and that's what really I love about
working for Emes. We just have nothing
but opportunities. I explained to
someone when we're trying to hire new
people, I explained, "Okay, imagine
you're like working on Wall Street as a
and then you have nothing but customers.
You just have to grab them." And that's
how we feel. We have so many people in
so many different campuses. And that's
just the that's just the campus part of
our organization. And we have over 500
couples as well. As much care of as you
want to do, as much reaching out as you
want to to do, you can do it. The sky's
the limit.
Rabbi, that was an incredible story. I
hope that you always have the
opportunity to be on the giving end. And
to all our viewers, to those who are
donating, may you always be on the
giving end.
Amen. And
may we see that this organ- organization
grows.
And that the goal is going to be
reached. And may we
continue having this problem that our
community is growing.
Amen. Amen. Amen. I just want to say one
thing that you mentioned that you gave
me a bracha that I should be on the
giving end. And I believe me, I love
giving. But we And literally in Emes,
one of the things is that we realize and
one of the most humbling things we do is
that we ask our alumni 70% to 75% of our
of our donations are coming from alumni,
which is a huge tribute to what we're
doing.
Uh Baruch Hashem. But when we ask our
alumni for money, that means we're
saying something like this, like we
can't No one can just give. We cannot
give without getting from you guys to
pay it forward. It would be literally
impossible because we we're not a
school, we have no we have no tuition
coming in. We really literally just have
donations. And so when
I in some ways one of the greatest gifts
we can give is to allow the our alumni
to give to us and to pay it forward
because when you give someone the gift
of giving, that really is beautiful.
I'm I'm not the most I'm not a rabbi or
anything like that. For those of you
don't know, I'm a DJ. But um and a great
DJ.
I once heard an interesting story that
um
a baby cannot approve the fact that it's
getting a Brit Milah.
Can't. Father brings the baby on the
Right. Gives it a Brit.
The baby only confirms that it agreed
with his father when in due time that
baby then becomes a father, has a son,
and does the same
ceremony, Brit Milah,
for his child. That's when it's the
approval, Dad,
you did right. I approve.
Same thing goes over here. The fact that
an alumni
student gives the donation that goes to
show that
they approve. This works. I'm here with
it, you know? Beautiful.
Beautifully said. I love that.
concept for sure.
Exactly.
Gentlemen, it's been a pleasure.
Bezrat Hashem, only good days, good
news, and I hope that the Emes effect
will be reached.
Amen.
Thank you. Thank you.
Pleasure.
Hazak u'baruch.
Hazak.
Danny.
Hazak.
Mhm.