Understanding Slavery in the Torah: Parshat Mishpatim - Rabbi Kaplan on The Weekly Torah Portion

uh 416 we were talking about uh we started to talk about the Hebrew slave who's really a Hebrew Hired Hand and uh he comes to work for the guy for six years this is a guy who stole there one way there he could either have stolen or and and was sold by the basen or he sells himself a guy got to the point where he was so poor that he had to sell himself off now uh the Torah then the Torah then says imp now this is a strange it's it's it's a strange you have to understand where it's coming from the Torah says like this two lines are the bottom if the master gives him a wife and we're talking about a non-jewish Canaanite servant girl who's living on the property of the master the she has Sons she Bears him Sons or daughters the woman and her children belong to the master y say bapo he he leaves alone so the Torah says that a man who has stolen uh and is sold U so we mentioned yesterday how the master if this guy is married the master has to now support not only him but him and his wife and children for six years he buys him and now he has to support the the the Jewish man and his wife and his children if he is married the master can give him a a single girl everybody take kashim guys take kashim page 416 the master could give him a single girl a single uh Canaanite woman and he produces children with her and then these children who are now have Canaanite status they belong to the master because the master is allowed to own slaves he's allowed to own Canaanite slaves after six years the Jewish man leaves and the wife the Canaanite woman and her children they stay with the master okay that clear now just one uh uh S one one side note here or one po uh uh side point is that a single man who is sold as a slave a single man Jewish man who stole and then he sold the master may not give him a Canaanite wife the Canaanite woman only a married man is allowed to be given the Canaanite woman now why is that what sense does that make why is it that if the guy the Jewish guy is married so then he can be forced forced meaning he's got an obligation if the master wants him to live with this woman to live with her and produce children whereas if he is single then he's not allowed to according to why not because be attach to this SL woman oh so one of the ideas is that that that that the the the single guy should not be starting his marriage career with a non non-jewish woman at the end of day she's not Jewish and again this is a waiver this is a waiver that the Torah makes on under these circumstances only that he's allowed to marry with he's allowed to live with his Canaanite woman so a single man the Torah does not want him to start his marriage career with a with a non-jewish woman that the marriage career should be with his make the attachment with his uh a Jewish wife okay there's a practical reason here that's a very nice reason and very you know it's certainly certainly an important reason there's a practical reason you see I told you yesterday if there be a Yeshiva guy who's for sale for six years you know Sam's on the market right I'll take them six years he could put up my Suka mow the lawn what'll it cost me some room and board I can't make him do remember I can't make him do D degrading work I'm not allowed to make him carry my polish my shoes or carry my my towel to the bath house or you're not allowed to do something that you would be allowed to do with a non-jewish slave skilled labor what we call regular professional what what you'd hire somebody for that you allowed to do a single guy who's for sale B and says listen he stole $2,000 anybody wants to pay $2,000 you get them for six years make a calculation 2,000 divided by six is what is it 333 333 bucks a year room and board plus room and board it's a good deal to have an extra pair of hands around the house what about a married guy with seven children and his wife who wants to take that on for I told you have trouble enough trouble supporting your own family got to go support this guy's family too so the Torah says there's a financial incentive what's the financial incentive you can give him the Canaanite woman to live with him and there will then you own those Canaanites those children who are now Canaanite slaves which you have a right to then to then trade it becomes a financial incentive there's another reason by the way I saw the commentary say if a man steals a married man married man steals often not always but it may very well be because his wife was pushing him to live at a higher standard than he could afford the wife is uh you know she's high maintenance as they say and she's pushing him that's the expression they use she's high maintenance and since she's high maintenance so this guy had at a certain point he couldn't take the pressure and he went and I stole her punishment is the the embarrassment of her knowing or everybody else knowing that her husband is now living with a Canaanite slave and that's her punishment that's what some foram say so so the whole idea here is the whole idea here is an idea of the Torah is very practical you'll see all over the Torah the Torah is extremely practical it's a the when when when even things that sound a little bit a little bit off Off the Mark to us if you start thinking about it you'll see how practical the Torah is very very practical number one number two the uh uh one of the classic cidic commentaries says who ultimately anev I means the Hebrew the Hebrew servant I told you to translate as a slave even though it's called anev to translate as a slave is a bit of a Mis he's really a Hebrew Hired Hand and I mentioned yesterday that whatever food you eat he has to eat if you eat steak he eats steak if you sleep on two pillows you have to drink so much so that the gorah says somebody who buys a Hebrew slave has bought a master for himself so think twice before you do it noway the law doesn't apply but the in the old days if you bought him you have to treat him a certain way because at the end of the day he's a Jew now who ultimately is a Hebrew servant who's the ultimate Hebrew servant all of us all of us all of us and we are Hebrew servants we have to serve aesu and when it says six years and on the seventh he goes free that alludes to the seven decades of the average lifespan which is the says the average lifespan is 70 years if a person is little stronger he goes to 80 years I told you statistically women outlive men we don't know why that is Jeremy uh we have a few guesses but we don't know why that is and uh I told you that married men live longer than single men the statistic Studies have shown married men live longer than single men but that married men are more willing to give up their lives the uh the uh that's not true by the way it's just that's what they say the uh who they is I'm not sure either you know that's a they say right when their wives aren't around to hear it so the the uh at the end of the day that's say so the six years and then the seventh year he goes free alludes to the Hebrew servant who serves for those decades and in the seventh decade that he goes free that means that he that he that he's finished his job so he could go up to he could go up to eight decades but that's the that's what it alludes to now now the gorah the way the gorah puts it now stay with this now the Gomorrah says an evid i serves his master by day and By Night by day he does whatever work he has to be doing and at night he impregnates the Canaanite uh servant if the master gives him the Canaanite servant so the way the gorah uses it the gor says EV he serves his master by day and by night now we know that day day and night represent two different stages day represents when everything is good everything the sun is shining everybody's in a good mood things are everybody's happy everything is good nighttime represents ordeals uh Exile challenges when things are not so good then a person said to be night Ellie weel's first book was called night it's dark it's Bleak and nothing's going well that's nighttime the evidence ly serves God by day and By Night symbolically means that we serve God when things are going well and we have to serve God when things are a little challenging also that that you know everybody's wonderful when things are when I feel good and the there's less there's no Financial pressure I don't know if you ever get to no Financial pressure there's less Financial pressure and the kids are doing well in school and supper is ready when you you know I you know nobody nicer that that's that's no Challenge and you know if you feel good you're what about when you know the chips are down a little bit and so somebody's giving you a hassle one of the kids is in trouble yet again there's a call from the principal and you know the by the the bills are piling up and then that's the real challenge we have to serve God under those circumstances and even if they're extreme like in the Holocaust if you want to read a powerful book on the Holocaust right what the the the real book of the holoc which is worth reading is something called responsive from the Holocaust we might even have it here in the uh in the library what Jews did in the concentration camps under the most extreme circumstances trying to find a sitter to Davin and trying to avoid eating non kosher food and trying to find smuggle in a page or two of of gamorra so that they could learn and all the things they did when things were when the chips were really down that's an evid of serving hasem during the the day during the day and during the night that's that's real service obviously we have to do it all the time that's what the Torah is emphasizing you will find you know when you get married somebody is going to give you well-meaning but very poor advice and they're going to tell you never go to sleep upset with each other work it out before you go to sleep every did you hear that before you got married anybody tell you that we never fight oh well yeah okay D did you ever read that book about telling the truth right I think the uh so we don't either we don't fight we we discuss we discuss we don't we don't argue we discuss okay so somebody's going to give you well-meaning advice because never go to sleep it's usually your uncle you know who's been divorced three times you listen to me kid now listen to me you know don't you go to sleep at night you work it out you hear me that's what you ought to do you work it out well it's a bad bad piece of advice because when you're at night at night you're tired you're cranky you're very sensitive and no matter what happens what you what could be worked out quickly to turn into a 2hour a 2hour slugfest with her ending up crying so you're much better off just saying you know list we I just go to sleep then you work out the morning in 10 minutes in 10 minutes is all you feel better she feels have a cup of coffee you apologize shom Isel it's all worked out that's how it works you always apologize by the way you always get used to that you're you're no matter what happened you're going to end up apologizing so at night got to sleep it all looks different than in the morning then you find out you know it's not it's not the the the the the despair that you think it is the Torah is telling you in everyview I want to tell you a story this is documented there was a couple they got married and three months after the wedding true story a from couple got married three months after the wedding they were in a car accident and the husband his his brain stem was shattered so he was turned into a medical what they call a vegetable he was on a respirator in the hospital Hospital absolutely no chance of recovery so in in you can't pull plugs yeah Paul you may not have to intervene you may not have to do active intervention to extend the life but you can't do anything to terminate the life so this went on and it went on and the doctor he asked the doctors you what's the prognosis the doctor said they're you know it could it be indefinite it could go on for years so at a certain point the wife decided now she's fully married and he can't divorce her he can't give her a g because he's not and there's no get by proxy she's what's called a living auna she's got no husband for theoretic she's got no no function nonfunctional husband but she can't marry anybody else because she's obviously uh he's still uh he's still her husband so she went to uh she started going to medical school she had to make a life for herself she went to medical school once a week in the beginning she would come every day to the house so once a week she would come and and sit with her husband for 10 minutes and she once a week she go for 10 minutes and she sit there and then she would leave once a week she went she finished medical school so imagine how much time this is going on and then she started working as a doctor and then one day she came in to visit her husband and while she was visiting him she recognized he was having a heart attack a medical because of her medical training she could tell he was having a heart attack and now she had a choice she could either push the button for assistance to help you know do CPR keep him alive or she could just sit there and do nothing and be released from this living gehenna so without a moment's hesitation she pushed the button to started applying CPR and then the staff came and they kept him alive then she went to Rabbi y zilin rasha's son-in-law who is one of the biggest medical post they one of the biggest Post in general and she went to she asked him if she was obligated to do that so said that the Torah says you're not allowed to stand by while your fellow man Jew is is dying Lo stand on literally you're not allowed to stand on your fellow's blood and the Torah does not distinguish between a healthy person and an unhealthy person if a Jew is dying you have to try to save his life and they said to her no one whose ancestors did not stand at har CI to receive the Torah would have been capable of doing that of passing that test that was a story so I told this story I told this story to my grand to my kids when they were real little I told the story to my kids at shalash Shas shalas is when things are you know the lights are dimming and it's laor Spirits I told the story to my kids and of course they're looking at me like this and I made one mistake my mother happened to be there my parents were there at the time these are her grandchildren me she you know she she relinquished ownership of me many years ago the grandchildren she likes so the kids were the kids are a little bit gets a little bit spooked and my mother looks at me and they're really little there my mother looks at me for across theable she goes and then right like like where's the happy ending because I want my grandchildren to have a happy ending here a happy ending over here so I I said that was the happy ending the happy it's not the ending we would have written the happy ending is that a Jew yes a Jew a Jewish man women makes a Jew realizes that they have to do what hasm wants them to do at all times it's not the ending we would have written to the story Bo was she upset with me it's not the ending we would have read through the story but I wanted my kids to hear that you know that life is life doesn't always work out the way we want it to and a person has under are certain circumstances you may be on a plane and they forget your kosher meal now what well now I could eat non- Coos food because anyway you know it's it's another seven hours of no no you're going to have to eat apples and bananas for the next 12 hours or whatever it is because that's how we serve a got it's easy to serve when things are going what about when things are not going well what about when he you got to get up at 2:00 in the morning with your baby for the third night in a row and you feel like saying so you're you're you're cranky and you're tired and you have to learn to restrain yourself it's not so easy it's not always easy first the second story I tell you it was in 2003 and I got into a cab a little Israeli cab driver had a yarma on and we started driving on the highway and this car cuts us off that's something really so I just kind of said to the C I said to I just muttered to the cab driver probably an Arab so he looks at he goes I know them a little better than you do so I could smell a story coming I said yeah yeah why right so he told me that in the 73 War the yipper war he was on the Golan Heights with his unit the unit was overrun on the first day of the war they were annihilated decimated he and seven other guys were taken as prisoners of War by the syrians and he was in a prisoner of war for a year 6 months and 3 days and I remember because it was 30 years to the day he said they applied electric shocks they torture put them in solitary confinement and then one day he didn't know it but the Israelis and the syrians had worked out a prisoner exchange there were these eight guys in exchange for about 1,500 Syrian prisoners and he didn't know about that he only knew they came into his cell the syrians knew what was going to happen they came into his cell 3 days before the The Exchange they opened up his back with a with a a Commando knife with no anesthesia and they inserted a tracking device because they were going to send them back to an Israeli base he knew that they would be going to an Israeli base so they wanted to be able to track things and then three days later while it was in agony they suddenly came into the cell and they said okay put on your clothes you're going home in 15 minutes in the meantime they had told him that Israel had been destroyed and he had no way of knowing he saw his unit overrun so he didn't know any he had no way of knowing and he was in prison he didn't know what was going on he came back to Israel he never got any reparations from the military because the military's approaching these things you should have gone down you should have died fighting so he wasn't return R treated as a returning hero got no reparations from the Army and here he is 30 years later driving a not very good cab but he's a religious Jew he's still serving ACC that means that sometimes you have to serve things are difficult but you still have to serve that's what it means the Hebrew servant the Hebrew anev every he serves serves by day and by night you have to serve even when things are even when things are difficult and uh that's really the test that's the test for us you know it's easy to be from it's easy to be from when when things are going well but what happens when you know what happens if if it's shabus in the lights I remember one chabas in our house it was hot and there was a power the power went out and uh I told my kids look and I bothered I'm very much bothered by the heat I told my kids look there is a leniency under certain circumstances where you could ask a non-jew to go turn on the the air conditioning for you on the other hand it'd be better to you know what would you like to do I asked the kids and I'm silently hoping they say yeah yeah Dad get the get the they said no no we're okay with this and and then you know have to you have to grin and bear it there things things happen things happen and sh and okay listen that's that's how that's the test okay now what do you do with this guy so it says he leaves he leaves on his own page 418 what if he doesn't want to leave Top Line V om what the guy says I love my master my wife and my children the non-jewish servant woman I don't want to go free so what do we do with him then the brings him to the B they bring him to the door or the doorpost they don't actually put it the doorpost they just teach us the door he's done standing up they drill his ear and then he has to serve for good and serving for good doesn't mean literally it means until when till the yoel he has to serve until the yoel year so they put his ear up against a drawer against a door and they drill them you know in our day and I know if anybody here has had their ears pierced uh but uh I would imagine that ear piercing nowadays is probably probably not that painful you know those days I don't know what kind of what kind of drill you know some sort of you know some sort of Rusty Crank that they got him up against the door I don't know exactly what it looked like now what's the idea of drilling his ear why are they drilling his ear into which is uh obviously a it's a somewhat degrading to have the ear drilled and why the door why is the ear drilled and why the door so Rashi brings down the ear that heard the command not to steal which he did and the ear that heard God say you are my servants and not servants to other servants and this guy is willingly choosing to become a servant to somebody else as opposed to God obviously he's got to keep all theas by the way that's also part of the issue over here the master hasn't gi give him time to Davin and to learn doomi or whatever it is that he's got all the abic obligations I imagine this guy takes a long time for his Davy you know when you're when you're a servant the I gotta go DAV chakis you know the guy go it's a nice long chakis over there well all of a sudden he's all of a sudden he's saying some extra dill and and taking his sweet old time about it but he's got all the obligations on the other hand you've taken on servitude to somebody other than God additional servitude for that you get P your ear heard God said a they're my servants and you've taken on additional servitude but why the door gentlemen why the door why drilled into a door anybody got an idea well this one hopefully this one doesn't it's not like his ears drilled to the door door swinging back hey get me off of here will you well while the he's moving swing around back and forth why why why any any idea why would he drill why does he get drilled into a door specifically what's that no no the mza just tells us that like the doorpost is standing position the door it's specific he's not drilled into the m the m is the doorpost and it's just telling us the doorpost standing up so the door also has to be in an upright position but why a door what's the what's the idea of a door here there's several ideas here several ideas what a door represents one of them is that this guy believes that the door to why does he want to stay why would he want to stay on as for all this time the master is supporting him and if he's got a wife and children supporting his man he's got a wife and children because he's married to this canite women also so he's in a situation where he doesn't have to pay bills he doesn't have to do he has zero responsibility and he's being supported all he's got to do is work but he doesn't have any it's like living on keep buts right all you got to do is work and you're being supported around you he believes at some level he may very well believe that he can't make it on his own he believes the door to perosa the door to a livelihood is closed to him otherwise you'd be willing to go out on your own he believes the door he said I can't I can't make it and the Torah is telling you listen that's just a lack of that's a lack of faith you know go out and work for a living like everybody else there's a God in the world and God will help you number one number two when he was stealing he probably broke doors down he broke doors down to get how did he get into the house well there was probably a break in entry you probably broke in number three I saw a very interesting I saw very interesting one of the commentary says there's what happens if the guy run let's say he runs away let's say he runs away for the master event at some point he says listen I've had about enough he runs away how do we identify that he was truly This Guy's in what's it called indentured slave how do you how do you bre well there's only one guy who's got a door where there's a hole in the door exactly at ear level so we bring him over and put him up against the door yeah that's him right that's the guy and not only that it prevents the master from claiming someone else's slave to Jews are coming over claiming a slave and saying hey he's my slave I'm the one who drilled him oh yeah take him up to the door let's see where the where the ear comes up to the door okay now I'm going to hit you with one that you're going to be a little bit surprised about possibly upset but then you'll see again how the Torah is very practical take a look at when a man sells his daughter as a maid servant anything bother you about that nothing bother you whole thing anything about that at all just those very words when a man sells his daughter nothing bother you about that everything everything yeah which part the man selling his daughter as a as a maid servant yeah why does that bother you seems like a bad thing to do it seems like a b what which part to sell your daughter anybody want to buy my daughter so we're talk about a girl as a minor when she's when she's adult you can't man when she's a Nar you can't sell her talk about a girl as a minor I once said this to my daughter my daughter was giving me a hard time she's about 7 years old and she's giv me some she give me some lip EST Lea she's giving me some lip so at certain point I said did you know according to Al I could sell you if I want to and she looked at me with hands on she goes yeah but you won't which wasn't in the script she was supposed to throw herself down and plead and gravel at my feet yeah that's okay that's okay I married her off I told you every time my son-in-law turns his back on me you got her so so what the T says man okay so it what what do we talk about the what's it called child uh uh dealing in children what's going on here the answer is anytime the torel says something why would a guy sell his daughter remember when a Torah says he can't do something you always ask yourself why you would why you would want to do it the Torah says you're not allowed to you're not allowed to uh to worship Idol why would I want to there's obviously a reason why people would want to worship idols if a Torah says you're not you're allowed to sell your daughter why why would I sell my daughter that the Torah is allowing me to do something which runs against all of our all of our instincts the answer is what kind of father would sell a daughter only if you're so destitute that you can't support her well now what what's the best thing for her at this point you're so you can't even and feed her what's the best thing for her you sell her to a master who ideally will then either marry her or have his son marry her well what's the best thing for your daughter it's not the Torah talking about two guys after schola by the way you got to tip on the market two guys are smoing about the stock market say yeah my daughter's for sale if you want yeah we're not talking about that we're talking about a guy who's got to the point where he has no choice he wants his daughter to be fed it's a better thing the best thing for her is to go and to sell her and there are many rules over it she's going to get out she's going to get out by the time she's an adult she not going to stay there for too long in the meantime you're giving her it's almost what we call nowadays you're still giving her to a foster family because if for her benefit not because you're stop selling her it's for her benefit so the Torah allows such a thing okay that's I told you it sounds the Torah sounds a lot of things St sounds strange but here now what happens let's say the guy marries her the guy wants to marry her or he gives her marries her off to a son so page 418 two lines from the bottom let's say the son marries her then he marries another woman now he may think well listen I married the servant girl she's second rate wife she's Jewish and a man's L to Mar he thinks well she's second rate because she was a servant girl says the Torah he is not allowed to deprive her of either her clothing her her food her clothing or her marital rights he's not allowed to deprive her now gentlemen you know we're always we're always accused of being uh male chauvinists and the Tor is chauvinistic and so on and so forth they're only two times in the Torah that the Torah mentions marriage obligations and guess what both are the husbands Torah mentions over here what the husband's marriage obligations are doesn't say a word about the wife's obligations that the gorah mentions the wife's obligations but in the written Torah you only find the husband's obligations her food clothing marital rights that's the husband's obligation and then later on in the Torah says that when a man gets married the first year the he must Gladden his wife doesn't say she's got to gladen him says he's got to Gladden her twice in the Torah it mentioned both times the obligation of the husband you even warned that if a woman is working you know they had a woman in Chicago once I remember years ago a woman won a lottery she want to I think about $5 million so they interviewed her on TV so the guy says her well Mrs Brown is there something you'd like to say so she looks at the camera she goes yes I would Sears Robuck in company I quit right there there she just want five million bucks a woman who's married a Jewish woman who's married and is working anytime she wants she could come home and say to her husband I got some good news and I got some bad news the good news is you're going to be seeing more of me around here the bad news is well the husband may say and the bad news is I'm going to be seeing more of you around here no no and and she said the bad news is I quit my job and the husband has zero halic recourse how do you like that she has zero obligation to work a man who comes home and says say to his wife I got some good news and I got some bad news a man does not have that halic recourse and there was a time and period we can't there's a period in there was a there's a period in time sorry there was there was a period in time we don't have that out that that that that that uh we're not allowed to do it nowadays if a man refused to work to support his family Basden would apply physical therapy and it would have to work how do you like that you took a stick or a whip and then you spoke to the guy a language that he understands you call him over hey zman you plan on working today I don't think so no kidding Z you want want to think about that again oh yeah work my favorite yeah yeah work here we go yeah they're playing around over oh guy guy just quit and let his family let his family uh uh they're G they're gonna starve today hey you got to work you got now you gave her a kuuba gentlemen you give a Cuba to a wife under the you get married what do you think theba says oh I love you hey what are your financial obligations get to work Buddy nowadays people say yeah but nowadays the women work they do the women work and the husbands learn in Colo and many wives work but that's by choice because they've chosen they want men who husbands who are going to learn Torah full-time that's their choice sometimes a couple in a in a in a in a good marriage the couple realizes that the wife needs to work because that's the financial reality of the 21st century is that you need two salaries in the house but she does not have an outout obligation you have to understand that it's she is not obligated according to the obligation is squarely on the shoulders of the husband that the feminists never complain about okay take a look at pest uh T talks about in par bed by the way you got all sorts of laws all sort to talks about hitting parents uh not that they could ever happen in our day and age and uh per 420 five lines from the top somebody who slugs his father or his mother is liable for the death penalty if he hits his father or his mother specifically if he draw blood specifically you draw blood even to go I I remember buddy Ryan buddy Ryden was the coach of the beers when they won the championship then he became the coach of the Eagles and they didn't and uh oh that felt good you you have no idea how good that I wasn't even planning that so he was the famous coach who designed the 46 to 46 defense and the Bears 85 won the Super Bowl and uh so buddy Ryan I remember reading you know he was tough and he was they they used to put they had a boxing ring and their their they they would box him and his brother would box I mean they they made a ring in the backyard they would be hitting each other and his father was in the was in the military and Buddy Ryan apparent you know was a teenager at the time he were boxing and apparently he was getting a little too big for his britches and his father came home one day and said let's box and he went into the ring with him so he said his father jumped up landed right on his feet pinning him to the ground and then just just beat him to a pulp which is uh you know my father and I we played chess but the uh that's I guess that's how some people play now to hit your father under those circuit is very dangerous to go and hit your father if you draw blood or bruise or bruise him so that if it's done intentionally bleeding or bruising is liable for the death penalty if there are witnesses that's why according to ha a son ideally should if he's a doctor should not give his parents injections that's brought down Hally the gamar talks about one of the am who didn't want his son to remove a splinter because when you remove a splinter you could draw blood and I think it's brought down in the name of the villain of goone that even a baby a one-year-old baby sometimes babies all a sudden they give you a scratch you're holding the baby and all a sudden the baby you know just it just give you a scratch or something that could all a sudden you and draw blood the villain go says that somebody who has a baby scratched his father when he becomes an adult he should do chuva for that obviously he's not liable for it but it's some spiritual level it's a good idea for him to do chuva so the Torah says somebody hits his parents somebody hits his parents and therefore if the father from point A father when needs an injection or medical treatment and he says I want my son to do it there is room there is room for leniency a father who's let's say needs an inject let's say he's a diabetic and needs an injection there's nobody else to give it to him then for sure the son has to do it but ideally ideally it shouldn't be done it should be done by somebody else because of the severity of this of this okay take a look a good test then the Torah talks about two guys two guys who are fighting and somebody hits them hits him with a stone or he hits him and the guy does not die if you kill he hit somebody with a stone and he dies Then You're a murderer but let's say you hit let's say you hit somebody so the Torah says three lines from the bottom let's say the guy recovers and he ends up you hit him with a stone or you hit him with a fist by the way it happens you know you punch somebody what happens in h if you punch somebody so you hurt him V he doesn't die R you have to pay the bills if you've uh what's it called uh when you when somebody can't go to work anymore compensation for uh workman's comp workman's comp that sort of thing there's a there a halic Workman I told you the tour is very practical the guy the guy is is a professional of something or other say a professional musician and you broke your punch him and broke his fingers so now he can't play the piano so you have to pay for what what there are ways to calculate pain there ways to calculate uh Financial loss uh pain that you've inflicted there are ways to to to to calculate how much is that pain worth Vero yourap and you got to pay his medical bills now here the Torah says the gamar says what do we learn from Vero Mikan from here we see that a doctor has permission to heal people why would you think not why would you think not sometimes the healing process results in them experiencing more harm you mean doctor could mess up no it's like just the the process of like removing a splinter is going to cause some cause more pain okay but if he ask average person still would rather have the Cure even if it causes more pain if it's going to extend his life why does the why does the Torah need to give a doctor permission why does the Torah need need to give a doctor permission what did he say um maybe so that we don't confuse a doctor's role the role of God become Christian Scientists basically why what do the Christian Scientists do they don't go to doctors they just pray they're not allowed to go to doctor they're not allowed to go to doctors okay so so we might have thought not not because a Christian Scientist but we we we might have thought that well if God brought a disease so God doesn't want people interfering with with his with with with what he's doing if God if somebody got sick God OB he obviously got so that the Torah says no God brought the disease you're supposed to think about why but you also have the right to go to a doctor and doctor has the right to cure you now but one second first of all the double terminology toso says in bakama Vero you might have thought you might have thought that you could only go to a doctor to cure you from something that was inflicted by another human being let's say somebody punched punch ruen punched Shimon so now Shimon could go to the doctor because anyway he was inflicted the whole trouble started with the human being says to the double terminology is telling you that even a a a a a disease which obviously came from didn't come from a human being that you're allowed to go to a doctor too now there is a dispute here between the ramban and the rambam the ramban says ideally you shouldn't be going to doctors ideally a doctor could cure but ideally somebody's godfear should really have enough Faith to DAV to Hashem and not have to go to a doctor that's what the ramban says the ramban says no ROM says if a person's not well they should go to a doctor and that's how we pin if a person is not well we are not maybe maybe there are people who are somewhere somehow but most of us are not on the level that we have such faith that we could maybe we're chicken sometimes people sometimes people don't want to go to a doctor sometimes people don't want to go to the doctor because they're afraid of what the the diagnosis is going to be but responsible Jew responsibility is you go to a doctor and then you DAV you Davin before you go to the doctor and you Davin after you've been to the doctor but we go to doctors if a person is in pain if a person has an illness you go to a doctor that is responsible that's what the Torah says you do then you follow the doctor's directions to go to a doctor again we're talking about a a responsible qualified doctor but if a responsible qualified doctor tells the person to do something many gdolim when they were told by a doctor they followed a doctor's instructions to the letter if the doctor said you have to walk for 20 minutes a day they walk 20 minutes a day if the doctor says that you have to stop eating certain foods they would stop eating those foods but because they were're not playing around that's why did you go to the doctor he went to the doctor because the Torah says you have to go to a doctor for a person to fake for a person to say no I have faith don't confuse as Rabbi goly said don't conf face confuse trust in God with irresponsibility sometimes you say I trust a no no you don't you're just irresponsible you don't feel like going you don't feel like paying and a person has an obligation to go to doctors and to behave and to behave responsibly and we're not you know if theoretically there's somebody who was on such a high level of Faith that's something else but I don't know about you you know most of us I I could speak for myself uh you know don't feel well go to the doctor and then ask the doctor for the most powerful narcotics he's got you know to at least get something out of the [Laughter] deal I didn't say I was joking all right we'll continue tomorrow