The Shabbos Bris - Rabbi Yakov Zev Snith

Welcome everyone to today's sh from sponsoring call 718 851-8651 or email istd.com >> someone had a baby born with shabas bris and he had a few questions you know he's not used to having a shabas bris firstly want to know there's some of the minute that they put the the isa the ma knife which you know is maha they put it in the baby's crib or under the baby's head and the mattress whatever it is the meaning is and he want to know that when you have a shabas have to do after all it's enough of a reason to be shabas the shabas someone had a shil about handing the minus to hand the the ma knife so make shabas but a really interesting shil the aen wanted to make the he wanted to do the first part of the ma and have have a take over on the second part that's the priya which needs more skill and he was thinking to do it even though it's shabas but someone said why why should you have two people shabas you could do it with the mo and only one's shabas and these and many other questions I'd like to discuss today as you notice the common denominator is not questions of how the does his job the are doing very well they're very qualified they know what they're doing the question is for the rest of us how do we look at a shabas regarding all the various shas So the emmesis that I should mention when a person's have a baby on Shabasal tell us it's a the child has here and I've seen this in my own experience. So it's definitely a also a shabas has a certain element of to it because don't forget the minute the is to have a suda but to have the children saying krishma the father staying up I should mention told that he thinks the reason why americana children don't grow up as good as the European is because the fathers stop making the allnight bakn so mafan the father the night before the brit should stay up learning and she'll say Krishna yet some feel on Shabas if you have a Shabas bris there's no reason for the on Shabas because tell us that Shabas is we don't say we say obviously the Shabas is a now regarding that I should mention that many say what's the you have a you stay up and learn the children say Krishma you don't have to have a suda anyhow you have a typically so that question that's a that's a different tim also I should mention regarding the sham that takes place on the shabas before the bris the prima writes and he writes it in pretty long usually it's very makata but in tough cut says that if you have a shabas brisk and you could make the the the night when the child was born in the first shabas that's Because why do you make a shalom? The child was saved. So it's sort of like a no when is it more noticeable the of a child the first shabas but it's not done I think it's practical it's come out impossible that the the baby's born on chabas the father's in the hospital typically with with the yis and the baby how's he going to make a sh so typically I think it's done the second shabas but one thing we could say that there's definitely mileas in the shabas bris the question is how do Do you deal with all of our Shilas? So I think that leisa we could pose a simple question that will give us enough information the whole we know regarding a person ask for a whole actually if I'm sorry if or it's either it's like there's no or is suspended then is do you have to avoid doing what's not necessary. If Shabas is you could do whatever's you know even if it's not necessary as long as it's it's related to the if it's you have to be more careful. The question is how do we look at a shabas bris? Do we say that during the bris as if shabas is suspended no shabas then you could put the the isel next to the baby then you could do have two people involved with the ma or maybe it's only it's only what's necessary so this is for itself but one thing I will tell you that in in in every there are at least three is to involve Of course, the actual cause the baby to bleed. That's the is of the some say it's also is of cutting off a piece of a skin. Cutting a piece of the actual of a person is an is of some call it after all you're making from an oral into a [clears throat] mole. A very big difference. And it's don't forget it's not just he's making a a a a destruction he's making it very constructive. So there's definitely a lot of involved but the according to many that like we look at it like seems to say that is different is only it's only what's necessary and the say this clearly that even if you hold me as hutra but I would say put it bluntly it might be but it's not and the biggest is that all agree it's a it's that even though but it's only for the actual mitzvah itself are not what that means is very simple The say let's say the did his homework he did everything right of shabas he brought the sakma we call the ismal he brought it to the baby's house he put it in a safe place he comes shabas morning he can't find it he looks he looks he looks he's frantic he cannot find it is mosha maybe someone took it maybe someone stole it he's living in a little dful there's no other is shab this morning he has to he's ready the baby's healthy he's ready there's knife zishna and that's the the says it's as clear as can be in that even though it's anus he did everything before shabas but a cannot carry even in a small which are only and better push off the Sunday but is not for because the getting the knife is not the it's Asan explains in Zion he says true ma is a great mitzvah it's associated with the is of butal wanted to keep a control on chabas so look had to extent how you have to be careful with it's better push off a [clears throat] now the says Even more in the end of he says even though might be in other words it's really not you have to try to minimize as much as possible. So we have as we know is a mitzvah it's not an if it's better not and most important shabas even if it's not now let's talk as we should know there are two parts of the what we call the the the mil actually the the and that's cutting off the foreskin that's the uses special is a special knife knife and then I would say the word the finishing touches but it's not really accurate. Then he has cuts off another part of the skin and also whatever is left that he uses his tip and his sharp fingernail and that's typically referred to as the Priya. There's the and the Priya. Now the Priya is not finishing touches because tell us so it's more than just finishing touches. It's part two of the mil. Now, typically most mo and most situations do both. He does the and then he starts with the prayer. But there are times that you have two uncles or people and you one with the and one with the pria or more commonly if the father want realizes that the is on the father to make the don't forget the mo is a the father but the real is on the father. So he he wants to do the himself. Now the truth is if he has a certain skill it's not that hard. The moy makes it in a way that he can't cut too much. He puts on a a clamp that he shouldn't go too far. So we do have it that the father wants to do it. I would say is fine. But on your child, make sure you know what you're doing. And I saw I know told me he once saw a father after the I could tell you the child was not was not come out. The father didn't know what he's doing. So you have to make sure you know what you're doing. But here we have two attempts is that you would like to have one either two people two uncles and pri or the father and does the priya. [clears throat] Now I'll ask you a question very very intriguing. Is this mut on chabas to have one and one? [clears throat] So you're wondering why not both are mitzvah both shabas. So will say what's the problem? In fact, someone want to suggest if you have two people as a because then each one is doing half the the half the so it's like so but then again that doesn't make sense. each one is doing a full why is so maybe we'll say if one person give me why get two involved plus we could also say if one's going to one mo going to do the ma he's not doing a mitzvah yet mo per mo so how can it's not even a mitzvah a regular ma he does a full ma mitzvah at the end of the today here he's doing half of it and this is the of the he says to break it up each one's doing half a what's the justification so it's interesting it's it you could hear both because a miser when the moy does half the does the the ma it's a full it's a mitzvah when the second one does the pri it's a mitzvah you're not I'll give you imagine I'm just making of the mus Imagine in Shabas you need in a mil on Shabas you need a pound of of of of right I'm just quantifying it so when I do the whole thing I do the full pound and I get a mitzvah if two people do it how much do they do of of of shabas the same pound no one's doing extra mala so instead of I doing a pound of mala two people doing a half a pound where's the mo of shabas Maybe it's totally in versus if we hold. So who said you have right to do? I have two getting involved in doing it. But here's the catch. Even if Shabas is but what's the problem? You're not doing more shabas. And this is why many say in the end of now don't forget this the same in the same who says even though don't do more than you need be careful and he himself says you could divide it you know this is very positive there are two parts of miler either I will do the mil and the priya or I'll do the mil and you'll do the pri Where is the increase in? So it's something very interesting that we can look at it. We can say what's the problem. Now after we feel very comfortable to say it's the same in the end of he quotes from a source in that you should not have don't divide the meal into two. in in he says what's the problem and he quotes from which we don't have but the writes that the the is one could be and one could be and there's no problem in he says it again but then he adds since the to keep to one mile and that's it. The all say we stay with and it's now after all this was aim. They both write the same thing. even though you could have two people involved. So it seems when it comes the are skeptical but one thing I will say that the he says if the wants to do the mil and he can't do the pri so he has to get someone else that is more to be because he wants to do his mitzvah let him do it he can't do the rest of it get someone else so the ma I did see that all agree shabas is not hu they have It seems that the meaning is not to do it even though but he ends in when the father wants to do it there's much more sympathy to allow him to do it that is part one part two is a group of questions to the actual is the knife of the a little background I would like to tell you and that's the says there are certain types of and that even you can't move it. What's the example what's a regular you use it to to cut babies but it's even better than that. Cutting babies on job is not cutting babies. It's the mitzvah. So maybe it's but it's you know why because there is no you're very mocked not to use it for anything but the let's say you have a parabas. So even on chabas parishes you're not going to give it to your your to the to cut up the the cantalopes for the you to only use it for and that's why the first is considered and you can't move it even you'll be alarmed in you'll say I I figured it all out I'm not going going to touch the is I'm going to put it in a little pouch or a little uh satchel whatever you keep it in it and I'll pick it up holding the bag but that's wrong because if you have that bag or satchel or whatever it is that pouch to hold the is so that pouch is is a boss and tak the in he talks about the the status of the milite he says it won't help putting it in a pouch cuz that's become becomes a a bosses for the so here we have to figure out if you can't move it before or after the mil because it's so what's the head to move it during the so it's not a big question because the terrors might be simple that if you're allowed to do of and and so you can't do of it's unthinkable you'll say but I'm picking up the knife is only but that's not true that's the way to do it so if you're allowed to do multiple is tora for the mil so what's so hard to understand you're allowed to move the me I it's but it's part of the of doing on chabas that's the simple approach but maybe we'll suggest maybe a little more farreaching you're Right. And it's maybe since when Shab's comes and you're having a shab and you have D, you know, you must use the is why can it be that on Shabas Parish when you have a Shabas brisk the knife is now MT just like you could take the ultimate stones and we'll soon see you take off of Shabas to put the oral or into the dirt I dirt is but helps. So why can it be that the mah the knife on par's shabas par's boy when you have a brisma is not mah it and that's tak cantalopes so it must be that even if it doesn't work for the rest of shabas so you know when it's mut for the ma after the mah it goes back to ma v Friday night you're not going to use it to cut up the melons after you're not going to let your children play with it. And that's probably why the inhog page in the new print he says. So seems to say taketh immediately [clears throat] after the the makes the put it down. And he says I should mention once and for all the is any other that he has that that is that's seems to be saying right after the mitzvah of it's all over put it down and don't move it [clears throat] and the is even though you're going to use it you don't use of anything but however was one of the and the is quoting the inv of also quotes it. [clears throat] So it seems to be that if the knife after the is or not the big is can you put it in a safe place or you have to put it down take it now in quotes but then he says I saw and therefore we have nothing to worry about but if you notice both the and this is important both You're allowed to put it in a safe place. You knew you're having a shabas and therefore you could put it back wherever you want. So it seems that it's if it's m on shabas or not. The the Mariel said take it and it put it down. But what did say if you notice he did not say once did not say once put it do whatever you want with it the whole shabas you're allowed to put it back in the right place what's the so I think it's very posh let's talk about shabas par Friday night you're looking forward to a beautiful bris the next morning will you play with the knife Friday night will you give your knife to the caterer to cut up the cantalopes are you said your Max free-for-all you're still it's still and your max I'm going to use it for the but here's my catch the Mar held it's a very limited it's mut to use the knife like it's m to cut the baby and and and but once the meal is over the mitz is over put it down the held that's illogical you You have d to use it for the it does not mean that once you finish the meal you have to drop it cuz then it's going to get ruined and you have you have d to use it for the entire even the part of it because you know it's practical we'll soon see you know you're careful your whole life to keep the ma knife protected and you make a meal shabas what do you do with it drop it on the table with the blood on it so the whole shabas is going to get all full of germs Is that logical? So the the the the held you have d to use it. Whatever you do on a regular weekday bris you clean it up you put it away that's fine to cut up melons you don't do on a weekday br either. So shabas are not different. So it's very logical to say that the and the held you allowed to do anything that's associated with the the was more and of course but the fact that you will never use it for anything else indicates that like says you can't stop move it but whatever is needed for the actual bris would be mut. So now we have a very good sat to be after he finish the the after the mo finishes the mama he should not just drop it down like Mariel says put it in a safe place but there is a problem if if you're not a you might not realize this but the moy that knows what he's doing goes right from the to the pria if you know it's like it looks like a little of a rush and he tries to do it right away what's the shot Because after the understandably, it's going to start to bleed. Once it's bleeding heavily, it's very hard to make a Priya. You don't see what you're doing. But a skilled Moy will make the and and drop the knife down in haste because he wants to get it out of his hand. So his hands could then quickly start the Priya. And once he starts the Priya before the bleeding, he could do it efficiently. And it saves of course s for the baby. And of course it makes it much easier to work work with the actual m of the mil. So he can't hold on to it and go and put it in the in the on top of the brake front. They'll hide it someplace. He can't do that. He doesn't have the time. See if you have two people working. One does the mil and next. So the moy has the option of first cleaning it off and then putting it away in a safe place. But the mo usually if it's only one mo he has to slam it down to to save time. So there are other sodom than three the in in sorry and he've cut in hay. He sends us to a and shin gimble that for us very familiar we spoke about a few weeks ago. You're allowed to use a hammer to crack a coconut but what do you do with the hammer after to crack the coconut? You don't have to put it down right where where you are. You put it you to take it and put it to the right place. That's the the if he has the opportunity of doing this. Let's say there's another one doing the pri when he finishes the let him go and put it in a safe place. Are you walking with unnecessarily? But is of course the obvious question on that is that we only say not but evidently the held that since you are involved in a mitzvah it's not that time you're allowed to put it back wherever you want. see if hay he caught hay he says let's say the moy is doing the pria he can't put it back on top of the brake frr he has to drop it right away so he says a better a would be give it to someone and you have to point someone before your associate or whatever someone that you trust stand right by the m as soon as I cut the make the I'm going to give it to you in haste so be careful take it safely and you don't be a batlin since now It's you put it back in the safe place. Tell him where to put it. And the ali seems to hold as long as you didn't put it down. It's so the moy gives it to his to his associate or his nephew, whatever it is, who's going to do the right thing and put it right where it belongs and you avoid all issues. Now the shekel says, "Wait a minute. Where'd you get that license to give it to someone else to make it of someone else? You have to drop it down not put it in someone else's hand but the pim explained I guess we could understand it also since this is part of the mil he wants to give it to someone else and that someone else will put it back in the right place and the the again as I told you the questions it both it's in the quote you could be on So again, if you have two people doing the mil one and one pri the should make the and put it back in the safe place. If you have one person doing it, so he can't do it, he has to give it to someone close to him who will be able to put it back in the right place in I'm sorry. And I must mention and and the troops will soon see. But he says he has another the should not put down the meal knife on the table. Put it on a tray or a little bag that has jewelry or something of of value in on the tray or in the bag. What's the because even though as we know the is on chabas because of burning fire and it makes the tray and the table a bosses but if you put kal on the table before shabas and there so the table is a bosses for and for is and you move the table after the fire burns out. So mash wants to create the same by a to put it on the table. So now the tables are bosses for the for the knife and also the knife is muka. Why don't you put into a bag into a satchel into a into a uh whatever it may be a pouch and put some jewelry in it and then the bag is mut. It's not a bus only for is like we said earlier like says it's a bus as well and the same says if you put something of value into the bag then it's a bus and is and you can move the is away to a safe place and also now in he has a problem quoting almond that even though you put some in the in a bag but when you want to move the bag you're supposed you're supposed to be the because you don't want to move if you could avoid it. So how does this help? So I saw the the very strongly favored this and he says that since we have that hold like the origin like I said you allow to put it away after the so it's really not after the so with another an extra you're good. So that's number two. If you can't do the put it in a that has a you're moving and that's fine. The and all these are are independently. He wants to say a different which if you're a you understand it were very careful that a person does a mitzvah should not get quote burnt. You go to help someone to save someone's life, you allow to come back even though it's a bit out of the a person shouldn't lose from doing a mitzvah. If you're going to have is that you have to leave on the table and it's going to end up getting lost or broken or stolen. So it becomes a two of an expensive mitzvah to do and you will have a policy I don't do shabas and that's going to be problematic. So the marshag and taz I should mention and the marshag in the same truth said the same with if you're not not going to provide a for the he will be mima and he won't do the meal again give him the of putting it back in its place so this is another I should mention the yet another he says but he has arrived to it once you're allowed to do the you're allowed to complete the again not that you could play around with it you're allowed to complete the and that would be mut because of that itself now I I think it's understood that it's not again heav it's whatever is needed for the ma now let's say in the worst scenario the moyel put the knife down there was no associate and it's a while later what do you do with the ma now that's lying around in an unsafe place. So that's if you have a dangerous thorn that someone might get hurt in it even though it's you have to move it. So I saw the they say points out that having a knife lying around is dangerous it's tempting for children. It's exciting. It's something new but it's it's razor sharp. So you can't leave it around. then you have no choice but to pick it up to prevent any dangerous situation. Now after all this give to someone else the cotton olive he says but it's and the but the taz seems to go with the of the that If after the meal you have to put it down. So after all that work the taz comes out how do we ask again if the if the was skeptical to ask what do we say so we have a and the way did a masterful job is stunning in shin he discusses on chabas exactly what to do so first he quotes the taz that la there's no head to remove the the saken after the ma like the mariel take it, put it down. So then he adds that it's and then he adds even though you're going to use it for the mil. So it's not Yeah. But only for the whole protection is for the so for the m is fine. But what's to move it further that he quotes the would be a so if it's put it down that's the preferable way to do it but says the misha if the is working by himself he doesn't have there's not one mo and one he can't put it in the right place he has to quickly finish the ma then we rely on the of the alaba give it to someone else If for some reason he said this wasn't we go back to like the that holds that it's until the mitzvah is completed because again we go with that it's not a issue at all. So is taken to try to honor the tazita but once if there's any type of problem we can be on all of our coolers. Now by the way as the po can point out this is the any instrument that's used during the meal that's kiss should be the same. Now, let's apply this to the sha we began with. There's a there's a minn it's a schooler to put the ma knife either under the baby's mattress on the other baby's head whatever the mic is. But somehow the shme of the knife being in the baby's vicinity is a sh for the next morning's me. The question is is that due Friday night? Don't forget it's before the there's no there's no it's it's a schooler. So maybe a bigger school and then then putting a knife down would be to keep shabas. So the the there's a theris that's from one of the earlier he says who what's the to do a school is very nice but not at the expense of shabas and we can understand that you wouldn't give it Friday night for someone to to cut up a cantaloupe. So who said first school is mut as we say if you understand like we explained earlier the is that it's not the entire shabas that's unthinkable it's m to do whatever you do by regular bris you cut the cut the earl off you wash it you put it away so if on a regular Tuesday morning bris you give the meal knife to the to the via Ben to put it next to the maybe. So you're not mocked for that. So why can it be that that the begins Friday night? And I think that's why he says if that's the many to do it and that's done and I guess you're not mid to give away the knife. So it's back to the saying that the on is to do and there's no concern of whatever is done typically by a bris. So for those that do want to put it down, you have to be the best to avoid child is to have the real school of shabas is shabas right before you can put down the knife. Some have a better service. They have an old ism that they give out and put it by the baby's head. They don't want to give out maybe on the on the real is so if you could do that that's a better idea. But what's interesting is to me someone told me and I I s found in a safa that what's the meaning of putting the ism sha in the baby's crib or under the baby's mattress why is that done so the he says the earlier say because when there's a shabas brisk we want to make sure that everything is ready for the brris so you put the isma in the baby's crib it's there waiting you don't have to go tomorrow where you going to find it you're gonna call a guy to carry it so the whole is the whole mig is so it's somewhat you know counterproductive to get involved with a with a with a with a question. Now the misa as far as the have been handing the milife to the now why is this done because the mitzvah the on the but he's not qualified so he wants to make the so by by telling him they feel it's not enough he also gives the knife to the picks it up gives it to the who right away starts the so that's more involvement by the father so again if you go strictly with says they but it's not part of the it's a okay who said it justifies the father picking up a a knife that's really mut but again as we said there's a to be I understand why that if this is step one of the making the number two and that's rabbi's m for a different reason it's part of the the moy to pick it So what's the difference if he picks it up or you pick them and give it to him? It's getting the ma on the on the on the way. So are much more sympathetic that if the wants to do it, he could be make but again if he just wants to be extra from he could be appoint the with his words and not touch the knife. So here we could say there are definitely hug him that allow the father to give it. If someone wants to be more careful, let him just tell them I'm making please pick it up on my behalf. What's interesting which is an unavoidable issue is after the meal was done [clears throat] and assuming whether he has two or one, it's irrelevant. Is there a to wash the m knife from the blood on top of the ma knife? Picking up the the knife is mah. Now the the meal is all over. It was a wonderful meal, but it's all over. So to us it would seem simple but the inish on in the when he has about the you're not allowed to wash it off because of the of and the bay quotes. In other words, this is already way after the is this is this is it's done. in paid test and quotes part of his in I told you earlier and he wants to say the following he says the problem with washing the knife is not so much the mah and it seems he is is is inferring that since that's part of the miser no leaves a bloody blood stain the milife after the shabas it gets ruined so the problem is not so much the mukah the problem You're not if you have a second meal on Shabas. So you have to wash it, you have to sterilize, you have to make it very clean. But if there's no millennials after Shabas so why so the problem seems to be a problem of however for us that we understand that the washing is part of the quote the and you can't leave it like that and that's why there's no problem of so there's also no problem of we we mentioned this many times a brilliant he said let's say you left your your weekday jacket outside outside in the air but outside and and it's about to rain and you will not wear you're not going to wear jacket. Can you bring it in from the rain so it shouldn't get ruined into the house? What's the right it's not doesn't the only problem is you're not wearing the jacket until after but is allowed to move it to move it. mean you're allowed to move is only when you do something you're supposed to do a chabas but you want to save time so you do it on chabas for example washing dishes that you don't need making a bed that you don't need but if the time is now or never if you don't bring in the jacket it's going to get ruined in the rain it's not a that's the time to do it if you don't wash the meal and knife now it's going to get it's going to get rusty So it's not that you're trying to save time. You're trying to save the so it would be like a same like a and was also a he says how could you tell a mo leave the knife blood stain the whole shabas he says do he writes even the words rust which is dangerous for the baby and he says another thing also if you tell him they can't wash the meal knife on chabas he won't make it a meal Shabas, wait till Sunday. I'm not doing it. >> Steals doesn't run. >> Okay. I don't know. I'm just telling the >> But well, I'll tell you something interesting in a moment. But is that it's done. It has to you have to allow the oil to do it. Now the inva rinsing off the came when came and he said it's he says cuz that's the of the so again I think the main is that that's part of the you have das to use it you have no d to cut up cantaloupe part of using is normal use in fact that's that's part of the the thear and don't need the ma knife to accumulate st the the staining. Now leis like you said it's an interesting point if it doesn't get ruined what's the problem today but again many have said it's just a feeling they don't they're afraid they don't know what's going to be you know you might get it germs or whatever it is so I could say that I asked around it seems the do do rinse it off the again was that qualified and he said that's that what I what I never knew I guess that they have today mo have some of the designed it a disposable meal knife Now where did that come from? Why is that done? Because when you do a meal in the hospital and this talk Fisher from Muny who does many meals in adults in hospitals and you have to sterilize everything before you use anything in a hospital and the way he explained it is that if you sterilize it the intense heat it ruins the the meer knife push it. So he thought of a simple iter brilliant but simple. It's basically a razor like a razor regular razor. It's on a inexpensive metal and basically you do one ma and you throw away the the the razor so it's inexpensive and definitely satisfies the hospital's needs because this you don't have to sterilize this it's new. So the question is believe it or not let's say you have this let's say the mo and let's say making a meal on chabas and he has an ism one of these disposable is it also mut so the the razor of course again very inexpensive the k is also inexpensive but you don't use it to cut up cantaloupe so the kiss is not because it's a tremendous amount of money that value it's your you don't want to use it. So what's the difference? You know how much it's worth? If you don't let people play with it, it's kiss. But the mil is after the meal is done, you have no then taka, you have no problem of of of mah cuz you throw it in the garbage. So basically you avoid the mutzah on the on the on the end but in the the first part of it the mah it is still a problem of mah. Another question that people ask on the Shabas of course about bringing the baby to shul in a place where there's no of course having can carry a child to that you can't do even for for what's the sh the [clears throat] is to have a carry the baby in other words for to do it we saw the we better push off the carrying even but the question is to employ a so some ifi it's very distasteful having a guy be the first walks into shul proudly carrying a baby it's inappropriate especially if sometimes the the guy doesn't think and drives to to has someone drive into so gets out of a car walks into a shul we're talking about without those without those issues so why can you do it at home that's a but who said having audi light nus on neium kip when all the n is burnt out I it's pitch black and you don't know the putin by heart better don't say put on kipa but don't now of course there is a here's but the sensitivity of had that who said it's to do to make all go with that there's no heta even if the guy carries in a caralis which is I should have mentioned this earlier the only sh is where when when you when it's not a big city when it's only a so the go is doing a and even that The say what's the do it in the do it at home. However, the rav is and the rav holds that that since there is a quality of a bris you could have a go only in a place. So if you live in a big city this will not work. Now some add other why it should be the slept to the house where the where the baby is is being held. I saw a nice maybe because in you have ups and downs in a house typically unless it's done well it ends up being so we're not getting into the again and that's typically the go but I would mention that that if you have a bringing the baby in so you feel a little mudden the baby the guy walks in with a baby you don't want to be a so you run over and as the as the is walking in, you take the babies out of the goy's hand. That's a shabas. Cuz if the was was still walking, did not make an did not stop walking or put the baby down taking out the babies of the is doing. So that's hardly in. So also got he adds when you're in the house, don't pick up the baby and put it into the guy's hand as the guy's walking out because that's that's making the ak. So if you do it, you have to do it right. You have to make sure you know what you're doing. It shouldn't be a big it shouldn't be a city. It shouldn't be. And if you do it at home, I would mention make a point making it that's it should be it should come for so then if you do it at home you don't have the that was concerned about another interesting question that the can discuss is there's a minute has a to have burning by a by the suda is there to light on shabas the answer is because lighting is It's not like carrying in a caramel is and there's no for so the eight like everything else in you buy two of them or you want to buy the more hish looking um thin tall candles that you they burn for a few days and light that shabas but not a fascinating question is the ora the skin the foreskin after the so the says the meaning is to put the into and that's the school for the child some also but anyhow shabis we have two problems with first of all is so that's easy to remedy you go before the backyard take out the the and I'm using it this is going to be for the and it's no problem the problem is with the is so if you put it where you ride into the the offer fine but as I told you very often the mo doing all of it together and he can't go and put it if it's not mamish within hands reach so let's say he put it down I have an earl on the table what do you do now so this was asked a beautiful chuva and he says there were among them that that it's you can't move the once he put it down. So says a brilliant and he says that part of the mitzvah and he proves this from from goes part of the mitz is putting in an offer. So just like the oral the actual is not because it's a mitzvah it's a mitzvah it's like the mitzvah only ended when you put it into the offer. So even though you put it down if you didn't complete the mitzvah the or is still a and you put pick it up and put it into the off and then he says which I enjoyed very much he says and the Marshall says once the or is in a kali then the kali and the become well I I thought it's mitzvah there is only mitzvah when you have to complete the mitzvah by putting it into the Once it's there so the becomes a bosses to the oral and that so he says even though the is over or over the oral don't forget is the end of the day is a ki but the end of the day is it's only a m if it's some type of mitz is being performed. So therefore he says that laa the ora is kah once in the earth keep it as it is. Now our question is still not settled because if you have the that is right there it's not pleasant. So say could be if it's stuck in a place that's it's people find it unpleasant then you can move the with the offer it's a of the who was a and he says even more than that he says that when you have one mo as doing both they can't put it in the offer all agree that there's no problem of picking up the putting it down and after picking it up because that's part of the mitzvah. And he says even those that were mir was only if you have a mo and then a then ideally do it right put the put the right into the offer. So the end of the day I did see takes a step further. He says there's a meaning supposed for the child is that chabas you're playing with a piece of and the mitzvah was done already to put it into the part of the so is also part of the ma and therefore that would be m as well. A few more questions about the actual meal itself. The minute always was to give the baby a little wine in the baby's mouth and typically they used to use fingers but since co everybody's worried so they started putting the a gauze pad into the wine and then they they they squeeze a little wine into the baby's mouth. So he baby has that school and you don't want to give too much wine baby should get shaker just a drop shabas you can squeeze that. So either you could put the embassifier into the wine and put that in the baby's mouth. Or you put the actual gauze into the baby's mouth as it is a little bit of course the tip of it. It gets a little wine. Don't keep it too long. The baby might suck up and get chicken. It's not a good idea. But a little bit wine, but don't be a the child's needs are like at least like and you have to try to do everything before Shabas. You put the the medicine onto the gauze, have everything ready. We try to do all before Shabas because this again is when avo when when avoidable one should avoid it. A very painful question. I'll just mention it. Ra was insistent. He has I think three or four chas if you have a me on chabas and you have an uncle or an aunt or relatives that are not religious and they're definitely going to drive to the mil better push it off till Sunday was shabas. Now most people say I didn't invite them they're coming but just to mention it's might be but it's not hu people ask about paying the mo for shabas bris. So we once spoke about it the meaning is to pay a but maybe so there two choose first of all we is that means you have to pay the the the worker has an issue maybe it's so it's his decision to defer taking payment but as a person hiring a waiter or a speaker whatever it is you have to pay the the the worker has to make a decision So, but that's why you have to pay. Number two, if he checks the baby before and or after, it makes it a more of a weekday job. And therefore, it's mut. And last but uh last but not least, I want to mention this point that I'm sorry, the point of the of drinking the wine. You see by a weekday bris you drink the wine. The one that gets the whatever the whoever gets the shab you need. So the says give it to a child which talk that's the meaning in many places but it's if the one that made the wants to be kish he makes the guffin drinks a raas and gets some cake so it's suda then he can contend tender the kdish if he doesn't want to eat cake but he wants for some reason to have the wine he could drink an extra raas the end of the day we should make simas I'll tell you just one more the is a beautiful schooler to pass on in the back of he based on a when the child was crying he says there's a great school as a davin for whatever one needs when the baby's crying out in pain from the pain of thee that is going on when when a child's crying out in pain. It's a school of is it to say that's on cuz we don't have a but all the can say when you have a special don't give it up so we should make I couldn't talk to you all >> shame you should tell I can smith of today's here for sponsoring a share call. You can share 718518651 email.com many years for many years would speak for a few minutes about the Moses of Stone in Barus and he's not available to come. So Jak and his aid will speak is not feeling so well the last few days he's in the home. 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We have probably thousands of Anybody that's listening from the outside could always call the number 7184389399. This foreign. Foreign speech. Foreign speech. Foreign speech. All right. >> Okay. I know it's Sunday, but we're seeking for Shabas. Okay. What we learned today? First of all, the the onabas is a the child has your the typically should be done at least by the learning and the suda the food pot with the sham is typically made the second shabas. In other words, the shab is the night before the not the night when the shabas that the baby is born. The mil like like like for is maybe but still all the agree it should not be overdone whatever could be avoided it's like hooch with a a great concern it shouldn't be hka the there is a reluctance that they have two people one doing the one doing the one doing the priya some are more but there definitely is reluctance but those that are there's definitely as we said because it's definitely The ismo is aar and kiss. Even let's say our group from it's even the pouch the case is a tuffle to the actual kali the to use it for the ma is because a person has a mind to use it but not across the board only what's needed for the miler. So it's sort of in between. It's not mut but it's definitely mutah whatever is not part of the actual miler. That's why you're allowed to move it afterwards to put it away to wash it. All these are because it's a in between is a to put it or give it to someone else that's again the same until it's in its final resting place. It is still part of the mitzvah. putting it into a kali that has a valuable item as another or he might lose the the use of it but at the end of the day it has to be done in a proper way with concern that it's not it's done with if there's a l moved in that's the goes with the taz but it goes with and putting it under the baby many people don't do it on chab is those that do feel It's part of the ma the ben could appoint without giving over the milite but those that give it overhaul that it's still part of the minig was is to wash the ismmell afterwards a disposal ismmell is if he's mak is taka of of of taking the ma knife should only be done what's needed for the actual ma knife itself the ora is mah but it's a mitzvah you don't finish the mitzvah you're allowed to put it into the offer then the offer is moved al the wine and the baby don't forget to avoid the of baby he needs the ra but it should be done whatever is possible before shabas whatever medical help is needed to be done before shabas the smearing and the opening the wrappers to keep it sterile of course make sure to keep it sterile paying the mo is the mo has the option I'll take it but you have to pay the someone should drink a little bit of the wine maybe the baby or the mic and he has to drink a raas and the time of davening is even on chabas when the baby's crying. >> Yes. 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