Using a Vessel Before Tevila; When Is It Permissible? - Rabbi Yakov Zev Smith

I'd like to welcome everyone to today's using a vessel before one is it permissible is sponsoring call email istanet.com a while ago we learned to suggest that you're allowed to use a hammer to crack a nut Someone asked me an innocent question. Okay. So there's no problem. The ma no one tossles their hammer. How is a mut to use a hammer to prepare the food? Now this is really part of a difference here. But the pim all agree a nutcracker is even though it doesn't touch the nut but touches the shell which is part of the food and according to some pkim you make a when you nut crack but all agree a nut crack is. So now the question is since the hammer is functioning as a temporary nutcracker why doesn't it need feel I thought it was a good joke and I started to look into it but before long we had a full share and I'll tell you another a few more of the shows that are in a gaya [clears throat] someone that just bought a glass turntable for his microwave so they make either plastic or glass but it's the it's you know it's the plate that you put in the center and it spins around and typically we don't to it because you don't put food directly onto the tray but this person puts on raw potatoes other foods and he wants to know does he have to it so you notice a common denominator here usually it's not but this case a potato is touching the turntable another question which is someone just asked me grad he always makes baked potatoes in the oven. Some he puts kala to defrost in the oven onto the actual oven tray racks which is metal. You have to t that doesn't sound right but then again he's using it as a cle. Then I saw and Rafael deafa he said Bakam asked him probably they're on one of these um dreaded um road trips when everything happens they had they nothing to eat and they they wanted to buy eggs that you don't need and eggs and cook it the eggs in their metal neglas cup a metal cup so they that they have a fire and they cooked it up in a metal cup so now using a cup that wasn't t for food that wasn't titled. So I said this once someone said nah that's that's that's nothing. He said he heard a real shila someone wanted to warm his pizza but he didn't have a micro he didn't have a toaster oven so he used the iron that you iron shirts someone else really they mixed up their drink with a screwdriver. I was wondering why can't you use a spoon but probably in today's drinks 44 ouncez big gulp that the spoon doesn't fit to the bottom. So anyhow we have a an agenda 20 more shas and they're all very much. So the is that we can't take this lightly because besides the fact that the says it's a so noting when you have to is a mitzvah but beside that there's an of using so it's not just a simple sh so I think it really boils down to is one simple question if you like to say it with that word we know that the is only for food items. What does that mean exactly? I can give you two choice. They both sound reasonable. Does it mean it has to be a cle a for example a a knife, a plate or is it a clay that's used in conjunction with food? The namina is a m a iron is is warming a pizza. That's true. But in no stretch imagination is it cleo. So is it a cle or anything that's used together with food. So if you look at the gmor I think you get a nice guidance where to go. The learns that the of the is based on the by [clears throat] besides they also had to to it. If you cash it, it's no longer tra. Why do you have to cash it? What are you doing with cash? Why do you have to it? What are you doing with more than so in the beginning of other words? It's not a question of because even a new ki needs but is not a we don't eat. We don't press we eat. We have a we have to get it ready for our [clears throat] so now we understand a regular hammer even if you're a cop and then use it all day is not I but explains it's only because of Israel I who told you maybe a carpent is also kadushas Israel so this question since you tell me even a new so why do you have to tell who told you that's and for look again what's the story of talking about they took pots pans the only of isuda That's why a hammer doesn't need now we would add the real kaduca we always need and everything but the is by food not by other utensils. So now we understand and it makes a lot of sense to say that if you cook your your you warm your pizza in the toaster oven you have to the the rack at least but you're using an iron that's not a suda but then again if you are preparing the food with that and it's warming up the food maybe that's enough in other words typically suda is what's but if you tell me your and you mix your your drink with a a screwdriver. So you're using it for suda. So this is our sh do we say it has to be a suda and for food or once it's for food it doesn't have to be suda. So you look at you'll find an unbelievable parallel for our sha. Let me ask you this. Let's say I buy a steak knife. I'm just choosing that. But that's a very clear cleuda. But I'm not I'm not using it for steak. I'm not. But let's say I sell leather. So I the best knife to cut leather is a steak knife. So I buy a steak knife that was made for a steak knife to cut leather. Do I have to this steak knife? but not used for. So this is in that a cle which means it's made to it's used to cut leather doesn't need even if you took a regular knife and made it aim it is from what's the very you're not using it for food I it's a suda says you made it suda okay so that simple Okay. In other words, even if it was a suda, you made it. No. Now, please pass in the next shame me with my with my steak knife that's now become a I used it the whole the whole winter paste a few minutes for this month. I realize I have to cut up I have to cut slice the steak made a roast. I have no steak knife. Can I take this cleafim which is also a steak knife and cut up my roast? What do you say to that? [clears throat] I'm using only once. It's an official fullfledged cleaf. I'm using once to cut up my roast masa. So we don't have to go far. This is on the that says that if you're making the if you want to use it even once to cut a roast you have to it no question about it no one argues. [clears throat] So this is music that wears. This is what we're looking for. Here we have a situation. It's not a suda. I'm using only once and tak. Now let me add a little more. Let's say someone buys it off me and makes it into a suda. That's pit cuz now it's a suda. But this is remaining. This will remain a cle. But if wants to use it, you're not allowed to without what do we see from this? That's that's you don't look at the this is aim. So is not you want to use it once once. Now this is a beautiful listen to this. There's a sug of which is in of course in but in the says as follows the general cl of of of kashing is the way it became that's we have to cash it. So if you use the flesh pot to cook milk you have to boil water. If you use on the fire, you took a milk fork and roasted a frank on the fire. You have to use fire to get out the bleak. Let's say you have a vessel that needs catching, but you're not you're not sure. You don't remember what you did that you use on the fire or boiling or zaba. You go bust a tmish. Whatever you generally do, you more often cook than roast. So it's enough to boil the water. Nothing doing you don't go bust. So what do you see in holds no and there's a beautiful in you don't say well there's a you don't and indeed you have to now the it's more than that because what's in the that you're allowed to you to it you're allowed to it maybe use it for fire. So the Raj explains because since you waited after 24 hours it's an so at most it's so to do the full-fledged casting it's enough with with with um boiling water but there are more tak ignore that but here there are more pure it because if you're using this to eat with food with it or prepare food what's the so this is says you don't go even once is I should mention it's aim people say it as if it came straight from that if you have a You didn't yet you didn't get a chance to go to mikah you're allowed to use it once without no such thing even situation even a thing that's not a clea now where did it come from probably because most po on disposable pen you don't have to to it only use it once so once once but that is not Why is one of the good? Yeah. So now we see and this is a little scary according to the he once you have to to it. Does that lead us to the very difficult masa that you have to to the screwdriver and the iron and the um the the the washing cup the hammer it's even though it's once but you know how to use it once so it makes a little more exciting who wrote a whole pist on in four places he disagrees with this And he says, you can't be one time. I mean if you have a cle that's once enough but if you take a cle that's and use it just once it's not what's what's the what's the I think it's cuz the the says is there's not a suda this is an iron this is the the the to the to iron your shirt not to make food but what's interesting is that he says this again in four places and he gives an interesting in the contrast two different sh both of them are very a tripod this which is a tripod it has three three legs and you put the pot on top of it and the fire is on the bottom and that's where you cook food so says this tripod is ah you're cooking the food in this So why is so so why is the doesn't touch the food you don't touch the pot a different type of ki and I I verified this is what we have today in a certain sense a grill cover you have a grill you have a barbecue so you have the the the coals in the bottom you have a metal tray and you put the food on top of the tray so says That's why cuz the food is touching it. So the contrast is if you have a tripod that have no time to touch the food. But a grill cover does need let's say sometimes you use a tripod as is. you put a a frankf on the tripod because a tripod is not a a and he said this in so in four places he says even if you're using it for food and it's touching now how do you explain this I think it's because the says What's a tripod is not a suda period. An iron is not a suda period. So there's no you're using it with food but clay suda and the yak in a sim has a similar sha about a interesting he cooks water for the heating system. Sometimes you take out water for tea. Soviet he lived on 80 years after the but there's a say for who says however there is one p you have to deal with [clears throat] when do we find go milk fell into meat uhohish but we never do something relying on in his preto He wrote a whole safer on the which the says the greatest to the that and they printed together in a safer how could the how could the s you're taking you're taking a a tripod putting a piece of meat on it cooking the meat what's he had to And there it can't be. You can't use a a ki that wasn't even once. Even if it's not a suda cuz you're using it for food. So what's the is I think is beautiful. The held it has to be. So you have to identify the kali says is always that it's but this is you're roasting a frank what's your but you're roasting a frank understood it's a suda suda understood if you're using it with food even that's enough but according to this we're in big trouble the hammer the screwdriver driver and the iron. But the good news is if you learn a little further in the same he discusses what he discusses earlier and that is the the a case of a scissors. Now it's hard to know the exact mats but that word we do know it's it's either peeling or or or preparing vegetables. So again, I can't say it was different, but they had a certain type of scissor that was not a cle, but occasionally used it to be kind of the because you're using the food. He says, "No, because nobody uses this scissor for those. You want to do it. You want to be different because don't they be different? Butler died to what's he saying because you're peculiar. You don't make suda. So we see that even though holds if something is unusual it's not a suda aud good go. Now this what says according to that he says if no one use a tripod for me for putting on food in it would be like like the like the but before I tell you what is I want to give you another beautiful insight speak about someone that wants to broil liver you know what that means anymore but you have to cast a liver so he did an interesting way there's a fire burning and he took a stoker. A stoker is the the like a metal piece and he put the liver on the stoer held it over the fire and it cast the liver. Good idea, but he didn't it. You're using it for food broiling meat. liver since it's not made to do that then now it's interesting this is the that even if you don't go bus but has to be normal I don't know why he doesn't bring the pto but we see this something that is not done doesn't become a period so we have the pritoy case of this the now we have the case of a stoker so where do we go from here how do we pass so first of all there are the as I mentioned quotes it quoted that go toesh was the but the does not hold like the and and don't so the say we have to accept the of the that if you're using it for food it needs and the and the and the together so says this says this in other words we have to understand again argued and the defend but it's a pretty clear that we have to for the but here's the says so in practical it so now coming back to original what is the is it of or is it using it in food That's so let's apply the when something is even once is awesome. That's our a that's sometimes used for it's somewhat normal examples that's the you go but a very strange I'm to use an iron for pizza all agree is put good now let's talk the sh began with the hammer that you want to use to crack a nut you have to it so this is the holiday because a hammer Hammer is not made to open nut crack nuts. Now, one question I I don't know the answer to. What about using a hammer to crack a coconut? See, I asked around I'm not familiar with coconut so much. And I asked people, "How do you open a coconut? There's no coconut cracker." So, what do you mean you have to use a hammer? So, maybe for a hammer for a coconut maybe is is normal. I'll leave it as a but one thing I do know a hammer to crack a a not even the ptoya even more holes is m [clears throat] a beautiful mushul unfortunately today we don't have it that often is a different a different social life but it's a good mul of our suga is a pocketk knife now that used to be a status symbol some has a pocket knife but basically it has different different features it has a a knife knife to cut something. It has nail scissors. It has a filer, whatever. Do you have to to it? Because it's made to be handy when you when you need it. You might need it to cut a box, a string. You might need it to cut food. How do you look at a pocket knife? And if it's ice, it's a it's a metal blade. So, I looked in the P. It's interesting. You find a certain tendency to pasin based on the normal social habits of your country. The safer is the first safer, the first kid to say that ever came out came out. He says a pocket knife is with because it's made to cut food. So maybe the the filer is not k but the knife you cut food. So a later one of one of the later who got American the he writes to the say how can you say that don't you don't you know we go bash and you use it for other things. So he responded very you know politely look at the bottom I said beginning of the and there I said if it's for food you have to it here it's a pocket knife is made to cut food so obviously if you tell me in America the der is that it's used to cut non food so it's not that in the and what what the use is he speaks about this this exact case of he says because it's not food question I know this was asked to the a guess a woman I guess but was was making a cake with icing and they want they wanted to put the whip the the icing on the cake and they just bought a metal ruler. True story. And you want to use the metal ruler to smear the cake, the icing onto the cake. Do you have to that metal ruler? See, if it's wood is for the answer is this is our it's no one buys a ruler to put on icing. Now, similar to that, I saw question about it's pretty more common. People like to make a design or lines in icing. So they use a pin, a push pin, a sewing needle. They have to it sounds modern. There it says, "No, it's not. A pin is not a suda. You have a good idea." So, but it's and the does not need another true story. Someone wanted to make a mat. That's a the excuse everything that people do that makes no sense. So, he bought a glass f and he filled it from top to bottom with jelly beans. And it's a good idea to show how great he is. Eat as much as you want. Problem is he didn't it. Okay. this a glass but it's still so the answer hopefully is it's still not normal to do that to him. So it's not even though it's touching the food is touching the kali this would be from if you every party you make you use it for serving bowl then you have to t it why not but it's not a suda chicken scissors poultry scissors is an interesting question I'll tell you why they call it poultry for a reason because it seemed that the real design the reason Why it's they sell this product is to cut raw chicken. Raw chicken is much tougher than cooked chicken. So what's the sh it's still chicken the says in a sak of some say doesn't have to have I it's but since after the you can't eat the chicken as it is. So it's not a food that's royal [clears throat] says. So the learned from this that a food that that touch the food if you can't eat the food as it is it's at most what would be a good example today poultry shears chicken scissors as we call it if it's only used to cut raw chicken it would be at post. [clears throat] The only question is if you want to use it once to cut chicken. So we did more. So hopefully you tal it before because but this would be a good example of if for some reason you didn't it now you have to it because according to the you you you according to the you don't look at and you have to go right now take it and to it. We had a we I saw interesting shil they have these dip holders another the right word for it a metal container you put the dips in it so it doesn't touch the actual food it touch the container a a charger plate also doesn't touch the actual food those things are going to be the himself says when you sometimes put the food onto the tripod It's still because you go you see the this would be you go bes a potato peeler interesting I stress that not we'll soon talk about a apple a regular vegetable peeler but a specially designed potato peeler would not need because the potato that you peel is raw so it's like the case of the of but more often than not it's one and the same. There's one peeler for potatoes and and vegetables and cucumbers. So that would be a question of but more is if it's made for all. So it's not it's made for both. So you have to it like like a regular because it's made for both. And according to most pkim if you peel an apple or or any edible fruit or vegetable that's edible as it is you have you would have to make a on of a peeler cuz it's the only is a potato peeler maybe is different if you take a peeler and you want to shred chocolate like some people do. So that's also question that we began with you have a metal washing cup metal and you want to use it. So the truth is most people don't use to cook eggs and Balbas told me recently he decided that he couldn't find a pot for an egg. He was a little lazy. He took the washing cup a nice design cup put water in it and egg and cooked it over the stove top and it ruined the cup. that had a very beautiful design, a very expensive design. The whole thing was was ruined. In other words, metal cups are not made to cook eggs. That's a road trip mentality. It's not made to cook eggs. But you know what's more common? This must be an old minute cuz everybody does it. You warm the baby bottle, you put it into a a hot water in it, and warms the bottle. is or some people do it. They take the metal cup and they put water in it and they put water from the urn into the or they put water from the sink into the urn. They use the metal cup. Now personally I think in in that should not be done. The sink is dirty. You don't know what's going on the sink. You know there's germs says in in ce you shouldn't put money in your mouth you shouldn't do that might token it because of germs. So a cup in a public place who knows what's going on that people will spit out it just but some people do it. They take the the metal cup they f put water in cold water and they put it into the urn. Oh, that's a that's a but then again you don't buy a washing cup to fill the urn. So one thing I'll say the good news is using a metal cup to warm a baby bottle is not it's doesn't touch the food and that's even if you have a specially designed bottle warmer it's not [clears throat] >> no nut crack the shell is part of the nut until after you crack it that's why it's not mah we're looking at the nut as one but this is not touching the food. Now the ki inf says that you should to the washing cup cuz it's used to fill up an earn. I guess in his time his country that was done so it's pit that the egg is not a problem. Cooking an egg is not a problem even like the ra and the ptoya using it to fill up the urn. If you do it that should be a reasonable may. Next question is a beautiful question also and that comes up in different forms. A toaster oven that today they sell does not need what do you have to the racks. Why? Cuz the rack touch the food is just holding up the food. What's the difference? It's like the tripod in now the question is a I'm sorry it's like the other case in of the grill the grill cover need fa so we have a toaster oven rack like the grill which is a inal now let's talk some people only use the oven rack for pots pots and pans but never put food directly onto the oven rack. So for them there's no sha but many people they would put in raw potatoes baked potatoes in it put defrost it toast it [clears throat] you have two ovens and oven what's so what's so hard to believe people put food onto the rack so the shil is does that lead us to the conclusion you have to the oven rack don't forget it's metal you're talking about so if you never put food directly on it there's no sh but many People do put food on it. So says if you put food on it, it's no different than a grill. Same thing that's asked this question and he had a very big finish. We'll soon see where it's coming from. But since it's part of the oven and the oven is not is not a kali oven is oas it's stationary it's heavy even not heavy attached to the house even if not it's a heavy item not moved so an oven is not a kali and therefore feels kali so the the oven rack is part of the oven even though it's totally independent it could be taken in and out but this what he says this what he says It's like the oven and laa another ti make would be because no one they don't design the the oven rack to put on it or potatoes you're doing it okay it's not modern but it's still so it's for that reason is a new reason it's part of the oven and if someone does it new but I tell you something which is a concerning to me. Raasha says that a toaster oven is not enough to just to the rack because you can't cook it on a rack. You need the the the a pot cover something to keep the heat. What is the pot and what is the pot cover of a toaster oven? The toaster oven itself. So it's not like an oven where the heat is is so intense it could cook as it is. you have to contain the heat. So he he felt that not only the rack has to be toled of the of the toaster oven but even the toaster oven itself. Now it's not done obviously but at least the rack should be we should understand that the rack of a of a toaster oven and even of a regular oven is not so outlandish to say if you use it on a pretty constant basis to cook food directly on the rack that rack should be that rack should be toled says the is we don't to these even even the small ones because not looked at as a kay it's still lice and oven another another question which again you see how how it's totally in people's relationship to it the in America the shila is people like to roast marshmallows they put it on the stove top grate now moving up till now was the oven now was the the stove top that black grate which was almost always used just for pots but he put on his marshmallow Hello. In this is more common. They rosem um eggplant on the great. They have to the great a great is is is is something that that never touches food except for these cases. So these are the different ways of doing it. But this would not be the case of the grill. This would be a case of is not to put food on it. It's not made for it. and marshmallows is tak unusual. So that we saw the py if you'll tell me that the style has become people use that the great to rose then you have then you have a trouble that according to the and you would have to to it you go bus you don't go bus and if it's normal enough next question which again is also challenging and that is some people have this many meaning they they practice is the right word that occasionally do put food directly onto the ble. Now Shabas, you have the issue with Shabas. But let's say he puts to warm on the side of the BL or a piece of kgle onto the BL on the side. We're talking about there's no issue of Shabas. But he puts food onto the BL directly. Do you have to travel a BL? Again, it doesn't sound right, but that's not the answer. Why should there be not of a if you put food directly on it? So if you like this like most people we don't put food on the black straight no sh but if you put a potato a sweet potato to to get a little warm does that means so again this is probably the same approach we don't have a to put food on it the is to keep pots on it if you're talking using it to put food directly on it so he said that can't be better than the original versus that we now some people use a not practicality and there you can have it more commonly people put food onto the so you have to know your use of the but it's not so outlandish to have to ach If it's used just with the food directly on it. Next question. A a fruit bowl which you put on the table people take fruit from it is ah it's you're not cooking in it but you're taking food from it. That's like a regular. So again you're not taking it to your seat but it's in the center. It doesn't make a difference. You take out food you eat it. Now we'll soon it's a different really about a storage container but this is a is brought to the table in that in his time this was the matas the fruit bins in the refrigerator they had a special draw for the fruit either was made of glass or metal either one is why we noting those refrigerator bins that keep the fruit in it. See, if you have a shelf of a refrigerator that doesn't that touches the the the food but doesn't touch the actual food. Everything's in in pots in in in containers in jars. So, shelves, but the fruit bin, many people put the fruit the way it is. In fact, someone told me you keep fruit in bags, fruits and vegetables in bags, it doesn't last as long. It causes the fruit to lose its freshness. Take it out of the bag. It can last a while. So the held we shouldn't. It's glass or metal. You eat straight from you take out you take a fruit and eat it. It might be a new type of fruit. Fruit bowl even on the table. you're being it's not much to be that's what he says emphatically says a refrigerator is not a ki it's too big it's too heavy the fruit bin is part of the refrigerator so just like the the refrigerator itself The bin has the same what does hold you probably hold it's a separate ka you pull it out and in [clears throat] but I guess the and today they make all plastic but I should mention another point also discusses the fruit bin and he says an interesting the fruit the refrigerator the fruit bin and the refrigerator are not really preparing the apple. It's not like cutting it, peeling it, cracking it. The apple same apple a little. It keeps it cooler. It shouldn't spoil, but it's not doing a tick in the as opposed to a peeler peels it a nutcracker cracks the nut. This doesn't make a in the So even if it's not enough of a tick that requires a Mr. that says a similar he says it's he says it's like something like the the the the baskets that they keep vegetables in but it's not brought to the table or it says they have caterers yeshivas have these these these wagons they keep food in it transport but I think that at least we could we could understand why the belt dozen to these the fruit bins So if it's plastic, there's nothing to talk about. But even metal or glass, there is part of the refrigerator or it's not enough of a not a s that doesn't in any way prepare the food. Again, it's not as posh as we like it to be, but hopefully today it's all plastic, so it wouldn't be a problem. Next question. It sounds funny, but it it needs attention. Today they started making it's a very popular item. They have these tables either glass tables tempered glass of course should break and or metal tables. Now these the is supposed to have a very homey cozy feeling. You on a kitchen table you could put food directly onto the table. Not you could they do you put bread you put fruit you could put danishes. Of course, you you can't put hot soup on the table, but you do put food directly onto the table. The question is, do you have to table a table? Now, how do you table a table? So, you'll find a big mikvah. First of all, today they have these Olympic size mikvah. Anyhow, but besides that, someone told me one of these commercial manufacturers that make all these urns for the shoes, they have a huge huge mikvah that they lower kale into it with a crane. I mean of course it's a system they have but the hat is not big because I can't toler but the question is do you have to tle a table now let me just tell you no one ever to tables till now for a good reason most tables were wood number two most people didn't eat off a table you had a tablecloth plastic disposable but something but they want to make it a certain coziness on a glass table in a kitchen it's like a plate So if you tell me you eat off the t right off the table the food on the table, you can't say it it was never done because it was never done because this is different. So how do you find a precedent for a table like this? Again a wood table is pa a glass tablesp but this is a metal or glass. So the benes in paral speaks about a table but listen to where he's coming from that's connected with metal screws. So the metal screws is the is the soil he says but doesn't need a why because people don't put food onto the table itself. They have a mappa. So doesn't touch the food. So look what he's assuming. A a wooden table that has metal screws is enough to only have this cuz it doesn't touch the food. So it's based on this. If you have a metal or glass table and you don't use a tablecloth at all times and the food touch the table, it should reasonably be mas. Now again, I know it's a but you have to find the reason why you're not doing that. >> So the question if it's a big table, we're going to get that soon. We're talking about table that moves that's that's that's movable. But in he says if you know this table's quoted also as saying this so if you if you if you say it's too big so find it or don't buy it or buy a plastic one but it's much moreish and again not my all the tell us too In a different context is saying that the Mishna says in mikvo about a and about a table is a tray is there and this both say what's talking about by what it can't be by because a table is not a suda. So both of learning that is that a table is not a suda. What is it? A table. Now, it's hard to know if they put food on or not, but both of them say that a table, but the I looked it up myself in the beginning of B and both say a table that's used for food on it is so now where do we go from here? So there's a beautiful discussion in the it's the and he he sent me to this tis but at the end he says something that's godless and he says in the times of the tus they didn't eat on one big table you remember to save the night you have a little save a battle and you have a little table and his like a tray they're talking about a daresh a tray oh a small tray that's metal and the food touches it so why not to it but a big table if it doesn't it's not moved around so he says it's that would be reason to the fact is not not a ki so it seems it's enough to be especially if you use it with a table occasionally something food touches it that would be I'll leave you with two interesting shas One question was the glass turntable of a a microwave. So if it's typically not typically a lot of times it's glass it's plastic. I'm sorry plastic is not but you could buy a glass turntable. So the turntable is basically turns around and helps in the process of preparing it. And if you never put food directly onto the turntable, there's no sha. But the question is people put raw potatoes, raw sweet potatoes, other foods onto the turntable. So this is again mameish. If a person knows he never puts food directly on it, there's no doesn't touch the food. If once in a blue moon he does it. So he should not do without he's using it. It's not not something or but if this the say this if he typically puts food directly onto the turntable he should with a not a question of this is what it's made for in his house. He there's no difference with touching food doesn't touch food because it's made for both. So this is why I saw the he also says he he concludes that if he put the food on it now I can't know for sure if he with a without a but I did see foraskin if you put food on it typically directly on it with a last but not least a question to think about I don't have the right answer yet but think about this question someone bought a steak knife for steak a Okay. He didn't have a chance to to yet. So still he puts it away. I should mention the says you can't you should not keep in your house. He might use it. That's how vit were concerned about a but he bought a steak knife Thursday. He didn't get around to it. Maybe he's going to take it to the mik for later Friday. But ma right now he didn't title it. His masle Friday morning he gets a delivery from the store. boxes all taped up and he can't find the razor when you need it. He can't find it. He wants to use his fake knife to open the boxes. Now listen closely. Can he use it without he didn't yet? So you're probably wondering like I did what's the cutting box is not is not right. We spoke about this before different shil similar. He bought glass to drink, but he didn't to it yet. And puncti needed some of these to light. Can he use it without and what's these two cases? A new scenario. If you have a cle that's a steak knife's cup now that it's can I use it for non purposes was till now we spoke just I'm taking a iron for that you can understand that's maybe because it's preparing food but not here it's you have a cle there's ofing that metal knife because it's a cle maybe once it's you can use without or maybe but if it's not in conjunction to food why is now do you have a either way I don't maybe since dresses and this is and once you bought it for that maybe have to before you use it. So Allah has written about I just saw the det quotes from a gins and who that is. He bought one of these pocket knives but has two blades. The smaller one is to cut nails. The big one's to cut fruit. So to use the big blade to cut nails your nails is also without since it's a suda and you didn't it is even for non purposes and he concludes. So before next look into this I couldn't talk to you all. >> [clears throat] >> Friday for today's call 718851-8651 email.com His father is my If you tal before the beginning of this year, you don't have to title before the seeker by just we learned today. First of all, the source of suda is a cle of of kale is suda. That's why besides the the is also an is of the question of is designation. If you take a steak knife and turn into aim to cut leather but once it's a it's to use even once this misconception has to be stopped. There's a of even once is there's a fundamental and versus a that has made for non purposes to use it just once or is there a special of that's the don't hold that's correct they hold it's not correct but all agree even the ptoya a use that is not normal the also using the iron to warm pizza is and that's not in other words there are two factors in there's the and there's that's only by the question is if you have without aud on this case of but we pass like that on a question of usage we did see the stoker that's used to li is abnormal use is not a hammer to crack nuts does not need we have a about cracking coconuts if that's the a pocketk knife depends on really what's what it's used for but if it's used is part of it use was to to for food with a using a a ruler on icing or a push pin and icing is a vase for for jelly beans would be to but if it's not done again a screwdriver is for mixing is chicken scissors that's used for raw chicken cut chicken is touching the food is a very important criterion if it doesn't touch the food the mashall as we said the A charging plate or a dip holder a potato peeler does not need with the but it peels other vegetables and fruits that's edible as is a metal washing cup does not need oven racks if you use it on a pretty you know pretty steady basis the oven rack unless you go with the sheet that's part of the oven a stove top grate is not used and therefore no a again If it's not used in a a normal way, it doesn't need file. A metal or glass fruit bin, fruit bowl needs. A fruit bin the meaning is not to it. A metal or glass table that's used directly on it without a tablecloth is a mum to say that it's because it's a table. It's not a ki. The glass microwave turntable that's used regularly with food on it should be toled with a if it's used regularly the for nonf foods opening with a knife opening a box