When Does The Kos Shel Bracha Become Pogum? - Rabbi Yakov Zev Smith

[clears throat] same like to welcome everyone to today's >> [clears throat] >> When does the become sponsoring call at 7188518651 or email is.com Smith. Someone asked me, he was just married and he had his first guest and he know he didn't know what to do with the should he drink it first and give it to the guest and I thought it was a good idea to discuss that especially like we say in the coming you have guests and you have to give out the but then I looked into a little more and it said brings us to the suga the [clears throat] very big suga of wine that's pum which every day byris shabas pes. So it's another one of those sugas that are timeless and timely. What does it mean pum and how does that affect the ka? [clears throat] So the emmes pum is in two places in sh at least four places in big and a very beautiful. So let's seemed bays says a scenario someone comes home it's and he only has one of wine. So for us what's the shila makeah and have but in those days as the gammor said they were very mak to bench they would not bench without a so what do you do you only have one k and you have to have two mitzvah you have to make and you have to of course bench so says an unbelievable and that's the way also spelled this out that the is telling us an unbelievable because we don't want to bench without a what you should do is eat mala before then you'll bench and after benching you'll add the havda [clears throat] frag the obvious question why don't you make havdalis drink a And then have you have to eat before if you're going to make Abdullah first and drink even a little bit of it. So you would have enough to make a benching and pum which expands our sug today much in a much greater way. is for kids. It's benching. It's any the next is not only it's any again even so we see the importance of pum in a very extreme way allowed a person to eat before but don't use a that's [clears throat] there's actually a second gamar and that's in where the gar says that they had a problem of pumar that's why they didn't bench they didn't make abdah before the suda zar but there's one exception the tom >> [clears throat] >> What does that mean? The only time it's pum is when you drink from the so the remaining is pum. If you pour it off before you drink it either now either you pour it into your hand which we don't do but pour it into a cup that's not pugle. So what does pug mean? Not that it's missing from the kis. Pum means that someone drank from the and now it is pum it's tainted. Now spells out pum is not awesome. If you want to drink it during the suda fine you want to drink it on a Tuesday morning you can make a on it. It's not it is lacking aash. So we'll use the word pum versus mud but it's not. What's the reason why pum is awesome? So that's simple ais. It's basically it's used wine. It's secondhand wine. Someone drank from it. And you're not very keen drinking someone else's wine. You know that you should not drink from a from a and give it to someone else because he might be embarrassed to refuse. He might drink it and it comes to sak Mr. quotes of never drink from what someone else drank from. Okay? And we need a little of a of an issue why we're not mb. But the point is it's understandable. Wine that was that was drunk by somebody else is is inferior wine. Okay. If you get from no we we overlook it. But drinking of someone else and this is basically a mal the beginning per the gives strong mus that they used to bring that were inferior. They would bring an animal that was lame that was blind and the gave them. Would you give that animal to your to your minister? You think he would be appeased by that? And the in two places in uses, for example, says wine that has a very bad smell, you can use for I it's not spoiled. Would you give a minister wine that has a bad odor? And this is the reason why is because it is inferior and in our today most of the time our sim is that the of is like a in a for a carbon that's one reason there is a second reason and And that and our Simmons says this just like a misbehold if it's missing the isle so too a is like a misbeh We'll soon see what that means and therefore it has to be perfect. If it's not perfect now this says it pretty briefly but you look in the ones he was one of the and he always has something very precious to say you'll notice a very interesting safer. It's a small safer but he always has something very interesting to say and on there theor says that you have to make a bra on a even during the week you have a roll a bagel keep it for so he says you'll notice that our eating is very it's we have salt on the table we don't put children on the let don't allow children to climb on the table The olive of is it has to be. So a bread that's not is incomplete. And then he says I think this is also the why is possible for kdesh or any because not [clears throat] someone drank from it. Not because not only because it's missing but it's not complete. It's tainted. You know, it's always good to hear, you know, in a world that makes so little of people. You know, we some people love to believe that we came from monkeys. Again, just to make a person no longer. So, you could do what you want, but you have to know what we do is important. We're not eating. We're we're being the bread has to be whole. We have to have salt. And now we understand this is has to be perfect because we are what we do is very important. Okay. So these are the two reasons for pu [clears throat] it's two goras two reasons as we'll see it's all over but what's important for now the rabb in points out that the problem of pum is if you want to use this as a you want to act as you're not going to get a from pum it's inferior it's lacking so has to be Perfect pum is imperfect understandably as we said earlier it's not only a kdish the spells it out it's any but it's even because the is nothing to do with kdishul is if you want a to have an effect it has to be a better quality wine and pub is not a better quality wine Right. And you'll notice that this is inf and we'll soon see in the mercy of all these cases we see has to be not has to be [clears throat] the question is if you only have pugum. Is it better to make kdish on pugum or no? You're not y if you made kdish and found out it was pugum. Do you have to repeat the kdish? So you think that's an that it's a funny shila but it's not. The makaba says in B a person make kdish on on wine that had a bad smell. Even though the wine is drinkable he's not ydish has to repeat the kdish it just like he didn't make he made kdish and it was water so the kdish is no good. If the wine is ple then the kdish is ple [clears throat] and mr explains why is a bad smelling wine. So it's definitely that the wine that's problematic will pass. So now the sh is can we say that regarding that's so it's told two reasons if the reason for pum is that it's lacking it's not like a very very important but you can't say it's a lacking is lacking but if you learn that we find in it's absorbed And the he says look at the copied. He was not to use the word sounds like only on earth quotes and he says it can't be if the allows us to drink and eat before. Imagine that you're going to have before because to avoid using a pugum. So how could it be is not sole? But then he does something interesting. He defers to the says it's and that's the end of but says a bigger not only if you made on and you found out it's pum that it's okay but let's say you're on a desert island you only have pugum should you make kesish or forget about you're allowed to make. So it's sort of like a in other words not just if you did it it's okay but it's so much that if you have nothing else better make kdish than no kdish in other if you only have spoiled wine or water then better nothing can make nothing but this not nothing so that's how much the accepted and concession that's okay in act we also see how much you should try to avoid pug and olives gimmel he says if someone has pugum it's probably better he said but it's probably better to make kdes on the pass Friday night even though we avoid making kdish on pass Friday night but if you have no other choice kesh on pass is better than yay I am pum maybe a bigishd says if someone only has pum so it's probably better he says in that case to make on the pum than to make on kamarina kamarina is like a substitute for wine but here you have wine so why using kamarina so make on wine so rum seems to hold if you only have pum it's better pum than so here he's saying this that that is better than pum sorry the said that you should make on pum and the says that says better make not make on pum that's how much pum is a problem so he saw two okay let me tell you that's going to lead us to a very important. Someone made kiddish Friday night, drank the wine, and as soon as he finished, his son mama shrieked. Oh, I can't believe I'm sorry. It seemed that a younger child took the bottle of grape juice. Grand took the bottle of grape juice and drank from it and put it back in the refrigerator. The older son saw that and he realized this is Misha. But he forgot to tell his father and his father made kdesh on what would you suggest to this person? He was very unhappy with that turn of events. You can imagine [clears throat] what would you tell him? Was he? Yeah. Okay. Is there any now? Maybe there is. Let me tell you [clears throat] the the truth is that we can say this that in there are really two different. You want to sound lish that's but it's literally one den that we associate with is you can't make kdish on if the boy drank the wine so it's not you could have a suda but don't drink don't make of a kdish but there's another they say more often than the first let's say I make kdish it's not pum I drink from it I pour into another cup and I give it to someone else so it's pugum for him. He's not making kdish the territories in pugum. There are two make kdish on pum non pugum and the have to drink wine that's not pug. Why [clears throat] zil you want to get a y pum doesn't do the trick. So there are two in yen pum. Don't make kdish or any mitzvah on. And even if you're not making the kdish, don't drink wine. That's pugum. That's why they'll talk about when they give the kala. It's interesting. They give the mixed up wine. Both of them are pug, right? One drank from each one was drank from. And olive and all spelled this out. that in pum means don't make on pum and if you're a you want make sure it's not pum oh it's the same raja you want the brah it has to be nonp so now believe it or not if this person would be thinking you know what he should really do he make kdesh on a cup of grape juice that his child drank this is pug [clears throat] but he also put on the table before kdesh a bottle of wine and he likes to drink that wine by the suda. So is the the gen and the kdish goes on the grape juice and also the wine on the table that he's willing to drink during the sie. Look at the end of who says I made kish of wine and before I drank it I dropped it on the floor spilled out. So you'd have to make another guffin unless you had wine on the table. The guffin went on the wine. So it's considered kdish wine. Drink that without anra. So now it comes out an interesting if he made kdish on the so he was but if you want to make is a simple take from that bottle of wine on the table that's not pum and drink from it. I was the brah on that the brah on the kdesh I saw this in a new safe a wonderful Yeshua who says this and he's right now I know this exact story is not so common but you know what is common we have to hear this is one has to be and number two the have to make sure that they get and as we proceed we will see more about that. The [clears throat] next big suga in pum is is there any way to rectify? Let's say the child taka drank from the bottle of wine or grape juice. Is there any remedy to the problem? So the is that leisa it's not in bavi and the question is why do people do it? I think most common it's interesting most common when you see people what's called tick we'll soon explain that means with people rectify that's pum is by abdah see during chabas they don't mind drinking extra wine they'll finish it but with shabas the person already had enough wine and come drinks the the wine of abdullah so what do people do they pour the wine into good wine into into the pum pour it back in the bottle and it somehow became tick now where that come But I want to say before I forget to say it later, it always always was a little bit of a surprise to me. People take the kabdullah and they maken it and put it back in the bottle and what's that for next week? The kdish. I theim of frightened to death from drinking wine from Abdullah and this wine from Abdullah. So I never found this mafurish until I saw a discipler in he says this was from he once saw a stip he says but what about the women oh you mean about the grow a beard don't worry he goes no it's not the beard growing a beard he told the it's the women should not drink wine because squeeze wine and that was made you know it's made a problem with so he goes yeah okay but is it's not an isa and if and if tickling helps if bit helps it helps to the beard also so after they finished talking disciples took the wine and pour it back in the bottle in other words he wasn't a problem he explained it's so if you know better please tell me but I guess the women have their own they would not go for that but it seemed that if you want to be mess in the wine it helps even for the problem of the okay now now the question is where did that come from so again in the end of the seventh parag a half a line and that's why the word is the right word so who did it first that what's he made the wine and then he used it for so says number one you could be making it with wine or water and number two a kosh now the rush inim and that arab I'm very good in your the Russian in B and the boy olive all say all you need they say one lu or mashu but all you need a little bit unpum wine or water and it's msuk okay [clears throat] it's a little of of of a of a steer you look in the rush one place he says water first as if water is better but more often than not the say and even water works. So we definitely see the the source of tick is a shalomi la there are those that hold tick doesn't work and they learn the totally different way in bra has already explained that ya was not msak and pug he put in water to make it drinkable don't forget their water in those their y in those days were too strong so the rush says there is a way of learning that there's No of the B and Sim quotes from Mikas that they did not rely on Yim if it's pum it's finished but says I guess he broke party lines but the Ashkanaz is to rely on tick and that's our minig so even go with the the tick helps the go but And the newer was not. Now this is all this. Again we have so does accept the tick but he does say wine is better than water. [clears throat] So leisa again don't feel guilty most pisk say that tick does work and that's the minica oil. The next question is exactly what does that mean? What what is the procedure? Pour a little bit wine or water. So the is a little bit should work. And that's why I saw that Yeshua he suggest that take the wine that spilled over if you if the wine spilled over into the t into the tray and use that as your msakin because that wine spilled over before you drank. So it's not it's not so so it's convenient especially it's a it's it's a so it's okay fine how much do you need to be in it so it's a now this is a little of a question because if the analogy of pum is like the so if the is missing a kaz you can't eat a drop and be maken it and some hold you have to msaken it with the amount that it's missing not just a a drop but the pis says a little bit's enough but I did see and this is interesting thing the bach quotes and other quotes from met that he felt could be it was a drop you have to it has to come from a ra you have a ra of wine so you pour a drop into the pum it works or you have a a water bottle and don't forget if you drink from the water bottle so the water is is pumish you have the sack in with water that's not pugle. So you have a fresh water bottle of a raas you could pour from the water bottle into the so if it comes from a raas that's more that's the not is not quote this but that's what they the says I saw an interesting can you open the faucet and put a a drop of water from the faucet into the pum if you want to be for the for the ramets has to come from raz how do you look at a faucet Because if you look at the fossil what comes out it's only a drop. If you look at the water supply in the mountains it's billions of gallons. But what how do you look at the piping? So which of course understandably so. How do you look at this is like a out of our range but no doubt I must tell you that although held it has to come from from Mr. does not mention this and I think the hebra on the that you're allowed to make tick he asked the obvious but he asked how does tick work if the iron is inferior it's lacking quality so he had a drop says a very interesting and he basically says in it because pen is not a it's only so anything you do is good enough come that stand but that's what he seemed to say. So once he's going with that attitude, it's not really Absul. So the tick could be with a drop of water. You don't need a reve whatever you do is good because the tick is really not so necessary. It's kasha without the tick. Okay. So this is basically a sort of introduction into the whole concept of in fact I should mention also that the say that you notice minist I don't know if notices or knows why they do it but people have this interesting minig that they pour a little bit from the good wine into the pum and then they take the kum and pour it into the bottle. Now some people do back and forth back and forth that I don't think has any you know but this what people do and I'll tell you why because the is the following let's say someone absent mindedly he was not thinking he took his pogum wine and he poured that right into the wine bar wine bottle. So what he did is he made the whole wine bottle pum right about not true. If you poured in if you poured seem I'm sorry if you poured from pug of wine into a bottle of wine guess what it was both if you because there's more wine in the bottle than the pugle of course you have to make sure there's more wine in the bottle than the pugle but what's shot that regular ble you could have tapers that is bottle right. So I told this person, guess what? You did better than you thought because this person poured the pug of wine into the wine bottle. He wasn't making it. You know what he did? A better remedy. BL all agree works. So he what he did was he forgot to make but he made BL. >> Oh very good. Excellent question. So you can't do but he did it. So in this case that he did it he came out ahead but here's what I think and the word says I think that's what it means to say but I'm saying but it's that explains the first we make tick to make right put in some some drop of wine now to now I somehold tick doesn't work so I do is say I pour it into the wine bottle so I have a tick and a ble I aim about But I rely on the that tick works. So I have I have a double remedy. Now I have a little of here. If you believe tick works, so why are you wasting your time? Tell your whole doesn't work. So but it's not true because accepts tick as a valid. So the whether you realize or not is we first make and then we make which works the holidays. You see look at Mr. Burton. I believe that's what he means to say Mr. Bur and the so that's the mini do both. [clears throat] Next question wine versus water. So says both are good. I must mention on the page in the new print he says that w water only works in times of that the w the water complimented the wine. It made it drinkable. But how does it work in you put not you don't if you put instead of putting you put does it help him how does wine how does water he says it work because it was but but he says that it's takes a very bold accept an argu says water works nothing doing it doesn't work it makes no sense now this is again is not mentioned now probably he didn't see it because this is not this in the or could be like I told you earlier he held me is not a problem so we don't have to go to all the but I would do would say if you're an you can't be the with water. Now, yay works, but water doesn't seem to work. I saw a the quote which is much all says not to use water to make a but again even if you use water don't overdo the tick because if you add too much water to wine it loses the chem so you have to do things with first of all of course try to avoid using water but if you use water it's you have to make sure it's not pogum don't drink don't take your your water bottle that you take with you when you go to cuz you drink from it. That's pugum and that's a problem. Next question probably never thought of but it's a good question. Let's say you want to your Friday night someone made the wine pumak it can youaken pum on shabas or y what's the problem? What else do I do it right? I mean Abdullah okayd is already easier but it says So it if you tell me you're being maken it you just ruined it for yourself because you can't mak it on chabas. So is that it doesn't work. When does tick work during the week? But he says it doesn't work because however the infr says the wine and or so for us it's because if it's to If you added like we say obviously it's not so when do we say is when you make from I'll give you an example if you have a that has too many berries so it's ple but you take off the berries the isa but you can't do it on on chabas or y because of tick there I stamp because it's ple you're being in it but here the wine is crash anyhow so that's why in the end of I don't understand the the ishu he throws in maybe went with the that pum is ple even don't forget that was of the of and I was very relieved I found the shabh Okay. He says almond the same even the only if you hold because he held according to the I should say that is posit then the is a real is someone asked me he heard about he said I'm also yeah what what do you He said in my family the minute is that before you make kdesish you pour three drops of water into the bottle of wine. So I explained to him very gently you're making a mistake because if you have a bottle of wine presumably there's no pugle. We don't have nerv everything's pugle. So why even what's not what's not pugle. So BMA says this is a bay cotton bay that the says that to add three drops to the wine before the says that the in says from a from the that's even So the three drafts is nothing to do with pum. If it is pum why three and we don't have ner and everything's pum it's basically so if you do it good if you don't do it's not good question when does something become pum so it's interesting says even though the is overflowing but if you drink a drop it's already pum I is still mole says pa means you drank from this is this That's the inferior quality of it. Mr. Gmorra says tommo pogy. Now why do I stress that? Because as we will see that if the only pug pum is if you drank from the from told you earlier a child drank from the bottle. So then it's pug. How about if the child stuck his finger into the wine and licked it to taste the wine? So to us it sounds terrible, but it's not terrible. It's not pum. He didn't put his mouth to the lip of the cup. So that wouldn't be pum. He didn't drink from the Okay, it's missing a drop, but it's not pum. And we have a that sticking a finger into wine does not make it pum. In fact, we do it 16 times. No, who says this? Not me. This is what the piskim say is a ray that a finger in wine. Maybe it's not so fine, but it's not pum. In fact, the big day in the end of ku bay, he points to Abujah. We'll get to soon. The Bujam says that a finger in wine does not make it pogum. And what's his from the bris the moy sticks his finger into the wine puts in the baby's mouth twice is pum is a finger the wine is not puma. Why does it have to go to bris? Why don't you bring a from we do it 16 times. So we have two ry that pum is when you drink not when you put the finger into the wine that's mentioned he says that they the person the puts his finger into the wine and then into the baby's mouth and that's not pog. Now the only difference is that by the bris there's a little more of a kadesh because the baby drinks drinks it and the baby's saliva goes back into the of of of but the answer to that is what's you pour back it's bottle you know baby's microscopic drop is now but by the the that no one drinks. I mean the that they take that that wine that was that was dipped in and they spill it in the street is it's everything. So that's one thing we don't drink. So but that's why in a certain sense the ma is a bigish but someone asked me an interesting question. What's the problem by the mil? If the baby drinks or not drinks when does the mo stick the fing his finger into the to give to the baby after the bra. So what's the problem? I said the problem is the real problem like I said earlier there's a has to be perfect and don't drink that's ple this is a ple so I don't send the asked this for a kasha but the ter is it's a problem on on the and on the drinking okay there is a bay he says says if you drink from the it's pugle but anytime you pour out of the it's also how learn that you're pour out is a different but the says to be for this that pouring out is but makes no mention of it the is mentions that if you pour out it's okay so we go with that pum is you drank from the k nothing less Pouring out, pouring into a kais and drink from the second kis. It does not make the first kis at all pug. Interesting question. Someone was in interesting mood and he took the kis and poured it into his mouth but didn't put it to lip to his lips. Does that make it pug? So the raval the rav says the end of the day he drank from the k even though he didn't put his mouth to the lip of the k but it went from the k to his mouth. That's enough that makes a pugle. But the Ra himself of course agrees to the gum. Now how could that be? If you pour it out, it's okay. If you stick your finger, it's okay. Pouring into the mouth is a problem. But the heads are very posh. What does it mean? Your mouth took from the K. In this case, when you poured it, your mouth took from the eye. There's a heic in between, but nothing of substance in between. when you poured it into a cup and drank in the second cup or put your finger in and took it out, you're not taking directly from the so says this. But one thing I will tell you, if you take a spoon full of wine and drink it, it still because you didn't put your mouth to the that's better than pouring into your mouth because there went from the into your mouth. A spoon, it went from the kis to the spoon and then to your mouth. Question, if you take a second spoonful, is it pug? Because the remainder of your of your saliva went on the first and the first spoon. The answer is that is bottle. Good. A a beautiful chuva about the question if you use a straw. So we would think if you use a straw to drink and on our that's but you look at the he's more to say that it's not pum the only problem is because the is why is a straw different than any other k like than a spoon it's going from the from the from the cup into the straw into your mouth. >> Oh so that's what I'm going to say. He's only talking if you're careful that there's only a one-way street. Some people up goes back. If we take a quick slurp up and it doesn't go back seems to be making he has another problem again of the fact that it's but basically you're right more often than not it goes back to that that makes it a fascinating question. A person tasted wine. Now I heard this from a wine connoisseur. If you want to taste wine to know the taste, you can't swallow it. Doesn't work. He's supposed to taste it and spit it out. But anyhow, he tasted wine. He took from the taste it a little bit, put his mouth and it does that become does the wine become. So in in the you could say on could be more and that's he says that if it's not it's not but I would have thought differently because the problem is you put your mouth to the so again your saliva the the fact that it's it's so even though it's never it should be a problem of the fact that and it's called [clears throat] and last but not least the group of question that we began with [clears throat] specifically how do you use the I drank from the and I have family I have guests how do I give out the that's question number one [clears throat] the I want to ask you is now some people have a minute after every they rinse out the clean it out and start again you don't need to rinse the k except maybe after the suda. So my question, let's say you have 2 ounces from the first k on p night and why waste it? So you pour in extra wine. Is that okay or is that wine pum? Because it's the of the first k theasha is an interesting scenario. This happens quite often by Abdullah like I told you earlier no one wants to drink their wine. They're not in the mood. So really someone should drink at least of wine. But let's see no one wants to drink and so you have no other you drink half of half of and I'll drink it and that's it. So really we don't it's two but says you could rely on two drinkers to make the my question is the second person that's drinking the second half he's drinking bonafide no is listen to this I wonder if you if I ever noticed this by so there are two there's a And the so typically the one that bench makes a gaff on his k and a lot of places the one that made the braa drinks his what do they do then they take these two pums they mix it up and they give it to soala get a double dosage of pum on a night on a day on a week they need you give them a fullblown How did that work? I said, so I said what? >> Yeah. How did that work? So I was thinking, but maybe they're maybe not. You know, it's like the old child, if you can't have eggs left overnight or onions, you have to add something. Can you make eggs and onions and two negatives make a positive? And some make them rather. But that's not a good riot. But maybe a better riot. It says in the it's a from the that and should not go alone in the street. So the has a sha and when the ka goes she has a sh. So how does it work and ka go alone terret is maybe two negative. So maybe here also two ps add up to one but it's not true because the other is not to go alone like don't have eggs left alone. So if you have two it's not alone but here you're telling me p is is just an intensified pug. So to answer the fear I'm tell you the fifth and everything will the p you notice the is whether you believe it or not tough test they lived in poverty in those days they didn't have much because they had one big for people that's all they had. So says as long as each one has a raas you could use the same fill it up to four rain and drink the obvious question is why isn't that problem the first person no but the last three why is that so says a few words it's all like the first one what does that mean so here we come to the mr says it at least in three places aid in that's the answer all the [clears throat] pum means wine that was used and is no longer functional as as for example have dollar wine you have it in a cup what do you do with it so you put it in another cup you put in a little bottle you want to use it for kdish next week no it's but if you make kdesh out of and it's still in the z wine of that's still in that k is immune from becoming pugum. If it's the same wine in the same k it's not pugum. When is something pugum again? When you take it out of the k you pour it into the bottle whatever you do but in the k functioning is continually functioning as a therefore when you have a k for four of so it's still functioning as it was originally nothing changed. So if it was as long as it didn't come out of the it is still he says that don't forget is not only for the for the for the he says so you want to give someone else the a benching but don't give him when you poured it off give him the original kais why the original ka is not pum so even though you made benching braha You want to give it to someone else, keep it in the it's not in. He says those that listen to Kd should make sure to have to drink. And what's the he says if you keep it in the same it is notice says it in three place like I told you and I do know the raval says is not like that. The rav spells out if you if once the first person drank from the rest of the wine is pa and that's why we'll soon don't follow the mini I'm tell right now but this now we understand the two drinkers that are drinking the wine they could rely on the if you keep it in the k it's not pum so the first one drinks it's not pum because it's in the same this explains p also and that's Why the say according to wine in the is never pog I heard it's interesting shila someone was drinking pes at night and whatever came out he drank a little bit without a saber he was trying to get in position that make a say whatever and he drank a little bit of the wine without a saber so he got nervous maybe now the rest of it is pugle because he drank it was not but the ter is in the same That is not a problem of pum ever. And the truth is if you know the lumbness of it's not it's just missing. So that's not a problem. But I will tell you which is interesting. I saw this in say for Yeshua's a made the braha of course and then he was supposed to make the braha on the but he was a and after the gen he drank from the and why cuz he was afraid that the on the is a heik between the now the truth is you know he didn't invent he didn't invent you know we have been doing this for the is that the that the bra the guff is part of the but he made a mistake because now he's saying the with the not but it's missing it's missing what he should have done if he wants to be from is like do that a little bit wine on the finger that's spilled out when they made the girlfriend he lick it but the why do the whole it's a package deal why have but this be a new type of pum. Not that it's pum in because it's the same. It's pum in the fact that it's interesting. It has to be clarified. We have a problem a real problem of pum because you're giving to the anda wine that's pum and this love this maybe doesn't work two two pum don't add up to so I saw this in you have to find it it's page 363 it's hard to find but quotes from the problem it's so there are one or two eight wait so What you could do is after the each one drinks, mix the kises and then be massac it. If you really want, you could be massing it each before you mix. I don't see a difference. But if you really want, but it's not going to work cuz no one's going to go for this. You could tell the guffin, the one that made the guffin on the benching, give your and you made a bra on the give to the because that's the same and but people want the double bra. But if you want a double braha, do it right that it comes from a water that's not pugle. So you be mak either after you mix before you mix. But make sure that you don't have a yan pugle lea to add wine. Let's say you're preparing for the second k to add wine to the remainder of the first k is not a problem the holidays. Why not? Because that's tickling. You're pouring in 6 ounces of wine. That's tickling. But if you don't like tick, you should have a of original. I wondered one thing. If now it's a whole different that each k is separate mitzvah, maybe the fact that it was good for the first, how does it work for the second in the same physical, but it's a whole different mitzvah. So I couldn't find anybody speaks about this, but I found I'm happy I found at least one mat that hate me. He says piskim is muya that you don't have to you don't have to rinse the ka you finish the k or don't finish the k the second k add to the first k what about pum what do you mean pum it's not a problem because you maken it you add so much wine but he says he was an was not to make so we don't find that the go had a problem why wasn't a problem he says probably because he finished the whole and didn't have any any remaining wine. But the question is he says if someone does have leftover wine light that pum doesn't that that that tick doesn't work you can't use the remaining wine but so what I don't understand is that if it's in the same what's the problem unless he's from that a new is a new mitzvah but yeah but the guy did hold a no because you're pouring regularly you mean So I'd love to hear if you have more about that. But now to the last a simple question again to all of us. What do you do with the k of kdesh that you want to give out to people. So the emmes is very simple and easy to do. You give the k to your family members and they drink. Interesting records here drank the and that's regarding and he gave his wife the wine remaining in his which is very he held that tick doesn't work but there's not pugle like Mr. said it's the same k so fine now the only problem is if you have guests and guests don't want to drink for your mouth now the will say but it's a hidd from the but a big is they when he was dying what do we what's our and he responded his so to give someone a that you drank from do you know if he's monic maybe he's a listen it's not We saw this from the bless. So to give a guest and I would believe a child-in-law even though he's you love like your own son but they might be mafic. They didn't grow up in this family. So to give a a guest or a child-in-law or an in-law Mish is a problem. So how do you avoid the pogam issue? So you could pour off from the wine before you drink. You finish kish pour off in a cup and drink. I why not a half stick between the guff and and say is very much a that's so the way to do it is if you have no guest pour around pour pass around the if you have a guest then pour off first and give it to there is another eight when you have a guest and this you can use if you don't have a guest if you put wine on the table in a cup before kdish it says that the wine is like kdish wine. We had this bang for ankles and now it came from many summers and he made kdish and it was a big and everybody wanted to get from his wine probably they wanted but anyhow but officially and was getting dangerous there was a stampede to get it from his wine so they did this they put wine on every single table in the cup and no longer do you take from the rashiva's wine but this is an now this is all with the misha that the wine of in the k is not pu as I mentioned the rav and the taz has both say that the wine in the could be pug after he drank it. Now typically I imagine this was they typically go with the raita. So the person drinks then he's in the wine and he pours it into the bottle. The mile with that is that at least now you have a tick and a so again even though but there's a tick with a but the point is a person to do with and I'll leave you with says and this is he said how people are so busy with the and some people are to drink from the actual to get Even though some people when it comes to such a that it transcends all this and he says but he saw his own eyes was old enough to see this the was he says very very sensitive person but when he had once watched it it spilled out from the onto a plate of leftover food now don't ask why they use that but that was the And so wine spilled from the onto that used plate that wasn't his plate. But he had such a for he picked up his two hands and he relished it. Drank from the plate of he said this a man that was an but the love for transcended all concerns to you all in the voice. Hopefully Guess >> shame like give a big smith with today's shoring. Call 718851-8651 or emailst.com. Hello. I saw for the does not become so no need to rectify it like number eight and seek >> just like we learned today the importance of pum in a certain sense you're allowed to allowed you to eat before obviously there's a lot of a problem to pum but then again at the end of the day it's still wine you make a on it and if you have no other choice you're allowed to make a kdish or any on pugum why is pumle either it's an inferior wine or it's a pagam something like more of a lofty musel it applies not only to kish but benching bris but we see how we go hold that tick it's possible so therefore we should keep that in mind we did see that if a person became pum it's by adding a little bit wine or water pastas even a kosher was enough had a problem with using w water today but is make even with water but a little bit of wine or water does the trick there's a that it should come from of wine or water the original bottle should have a minute is to do tick and then do bit pouring it back into the wine bottle the we we did see that that some don't accept the of tick at all so then it wouldn't help to be maken it and bal aim So they would have to use the wine takuda for for baking or cooking. But if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. The three drops that people add of water to to a bottle of wine has nothing to do with tick or pam. It's a pikab. If someone stuck his finger into the wine, even if he licked his finger, the wine is not pum. We had two rays from lea and from the brris. The we did see also that if someone tasted just the taste and spit it out that's probably more of a problem of pogum but pouring into another cup is not a problem. Pouring into one's mouth directly is a problem. As we said taking a spoonful or even a straw pashis shouldn't be a problem. We had a big that if you have the wine in the original it never becomes pum. So that would be an for kdish. That's why a big and they'll say the works. That's why as we said two drinkers don't have a problem of but giving out the again you could give out the k and pass around the table. When someone had has guests he should not give a guest without asking first and people embarrassed to say so probably just pour it off first. The we said by you mix the you should be maken it either before you mix or after but you have to maken the wine of the that is both pum and as we saw the mitzvah the the wine even the of it is a special is by those that Drink.