When Wine Becomes Stam Yeinam - Rav Zev Smith

Okay, let's go. >> Look at my boy in the shame of shame. Shame again to like to welcome everyone to today's share from Harvey of Muslim leader on Israel I must say Israel has many of them. When wine becomes many of them. I was raised by sponsoring a share colleague in Terrace 718-851 8651 or email [email protected] or go to our website and our website share a day.com. Like to be a guest at after of small rents for sponsoring today's share leading in all of them. Russia Zalka small field of shame and small sister of the time. I'm Smith. >> After the man is mad and we had a sign on the sea where the bottom left some wine. Not the whistle wine. And it was in the refrigerator and they left it over the man is mad and the question was there were times that only the guy in the cleaning the building and the question is there a problem of many of them. The guy had access to the wine. And there was no access. So you guys had no meetings. The truth is in many homes this is a a daily problem. People go to work and leave the guy to with just the wine. In a hall or in a catering hall sometimes after the same goes over the bottom goes home and says he leaves the few guys to clean up and there's bottles of wine. So you notice there are different scenarios where the question is is this does this become many of them when the guy is left alone with the wine? >> [clears throat] >> Now the man is mad and there's a lot to say about the Khumra of Stam Yayinam Yayin Nesekh. I think it would be suffice to quote with the Khakham Adam in in Ayin Hey Aleph, it says talk about Stam Yayinam, we'll soon see it's not even a De'oraita. But even though he says people think it's not such a serious issue, but it is a Khumra De'oraita Stam Yayinam Okin Shmu'sai Mimkom Shinishres Boi Kedusha. Unbelievable, like the terrible terrible prognosis for someone that that is is not careful in Stam Yayinam. And he says the Ein Chelek L'Olam Haba. And he says the Mekubalim are are Ma'irakh in the terrible Sakana of Stam Yayinam. But let's be more positive. He ends off with Ein Kol Adam Yizhar B'Zeh Me'od Nafsho B'Yiskol Sodas L'Fi Ha'Osain L'Yayin Mashuma. So definitely it's something that needs attention and as we'll soon see it's for many it's a daily problem and the question is what are the Halakhas of this issue of Stam Yayinam? So the Am Ha'Aretz says as important as it is to realize the Khumra issue I have to mention the Ramah in Darkei Moshe Kuf Khuf Daled Khes he says I'm I'm a Toma'ani Toma'a on some people that are Makhmir too much, they throw out Yayin thinking it's Stam Yayinam, it's not even Assur. Because there are there are certain Halakhas when something becomes Stam Yayinam. So you can't be Makhmir as well Tashmis, you can't be Meikel. No good. The only Eitzah to learn Halakha and know the Halakhas properly. >> [clears throat] >> Now the Am Ha'Aretz says there are 17 Simanim in Shulchan Arukh Hilchos Stam Yayinam from Kuf Khuf Gimel all the way to Kuf Lamed Tes. And we can't do it in in one Shiur, but I think we'll give the Sod of what it means Stam Yayinam when it applies and hopefully we'll have a good start. The Am Ha'Aretz says we we sometimes hear the word Yayin Nesekh, it's Yayin Nesekh. That's the wrong word because probably we will never have real Yayin Nesekh. Why? The Mishna says in the Rabbi Dessler of Khuf Tes Mem Tes there are certain things that a Goi possessed the Issur and Issur Hana'ah. And the first one is like Mishnah is Hayay. A issue wine is also banned on For [clears throat] a big tomorrow, what's wrong with the issue wine? So tomorrow it's a possuk. All my crowd the possuk says Hazenu. >> [clears throat] >> As you say love the same you you say love. Used to yay in the sicha. >> [clears throat] >> The possuk puts together what the sacrifices to his avoid desire the meat of the of the sacrifice. I don't want to give it the name carbon. Just like the wine that the pours for his avoid desire. In other words, just like we know that and the the meat of a of of a carb of of a sacrifice avoid desire is to crave his avoid desire and also me the riser. So the the possuk is reminding us that so who I did wine that the poured to his avoid desire is also to crave his avoid desire. And the Rambam says in my sewers you base. Yayin shin avoid desire also banned on the same menu culture like in a tire. There's definitely malcus. It's one of the tire mitzvahs the issue of to crave his avoid desire. Now when he says the word culture it's really based on the Mishnah I and I in avoid desire that I and I would then others the there's no dinner bitter when it comes to yayin nesekh. But again, yayin nesekh is when the poured wine to his avoid desire. I hope we'll never have such a scenario. Especially in our times as the you know the ancient day was valid that the we should lose the yet survive desire even by You know see the the fallacy the farce of it. We know the the Shulchan Aruch speaks about that just in avoid desire as many of saying be a day of. It's more of a ceremony you have to have a Santa Claus and they have a Christmas week and they have a holiday. But it's not real avoid desire. They're not going to pour wine for that. So that's why the Derek Cloud we are not faced with real yayin nesekh question. So what then is the whole Sugya? What's the problem then? >> [clears throat] >> So, this we have what's called Stam Yainam. The word Stam Yainam with my knowledge is not in Shas. It's the Rishonim, it's Shulchan Aruch. What does that mean? So, [clears throat] let me give you a a good understanding. But, as Hashem once we have the understanding, we could go through many Shailos. Let's say you have a Goyish neighbor, very respectful, very trustworthy. And he says, "I baked you bread, and I'm telling you I had Hashgacha to me this we we zip in the mail and I'm a cook in the house. High end and it's it's Yoshon, everything is great." And Taka, he had a Mashgiach watching the bread that he baked. And he gives it to you. Are you allowed to eat the bread? There's no doubt about it, it's Kosher. This we all know, it's in Machaber Shulchan Aruch Kufid Bais Alef, based on a Mishna by Avodah Zarah. The Chazal Asur Pas Akum. A a bakes bread, it's an Issur d'Rabbanan for you to eat it. I there's no problem with the Kashrus. The Tairutz is Zoch the Machaber als Chashash because bread cause brings a certain relationship, a certain friendship, and Chashash may come to intermarriage. So, Pas Akum, which as opposed to Pas Palter that that some are Maikel, but Pas Akum is an Issur d'Rabbanan because of the concern of Chashash. Now, I'll ask you a very practical question. If you worry by bread that it might create a relationship, isn't there much more of Chashash by drinking his wine? Wine is more of a Mekarev Levavos. And this is one of the main reasons why Stam Yainam was Asur. You're right. There's not you're not worried about Avodah Zarah. But, a is he is. And as as the Gemara says in Shabbos Yutzai Num Bais, they were Gozer Yainam Mishum Benois Sayah. In other words, wine is Mekarev Levavos perhaps more than bread. And that's the Issur of Stam Yainam a Chashash Chashash. Nothing to do with Avodah Zarah. But, the problem with this understanding is there's something that's obviously missing. Because had it been a concern of hasness, why do we know that stam yaynam is assur b'no? Why should be assur b'no? Pass akum is not assur b'no. But the bigger kasha is I'm going to get there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, good, good. But the bigger kasha we have there too. The bigger kasha is that when I talk you about the giving us wine, the takes my bottle wine and he touches it, it becomes stam yaynam. But what does that have to do with hasness? So the simple teretz will say is this is reinforcing the barrier to protect us from the is from from hasness. In other words, if the knows this year he's a funny person, I touch his wine, he doesn't drink it. I don't want such a machuten. So if you can make all these takanas what he touches, what he pours, the will say forget it. I don't need this shidduch, you know. Under the chuppah what am I going to do? I give the chasan a His wine is yayin nesach. Can't give to the kallah. Very complicated. So the whole issur of stam yaynam, touching, pouring is part of the deterrent to avoid any hasness. Oh. So that could be true. But l'maaseh there's a different yesod and that's really the yesod that we need today. And that basically is that l'maaseh there even by a regular you don't know if it's assur. You don't know. Maybe he's pouring wine in a void disora house and he gives you some of the wine. Maybe in front of your face he's pouring wine to you and he has a mind of void disora. There are certain void disoras you could do long distance. So besides the chashash of hasness, there's always the chashash of avoid disora. Now, if a pours wine of void disora, that's the yayin nesach. But say you have a a who's a cleaning lady or a who's a waiter, you don't know if it's assur. He might say I'm not religious, but maybe deep down he is. And you know what, if he does something that's suspicious, we have to be worried about that. So besides the issur of hasness, there's also the concern maybe this became a yayin nesach mamesh. Now, it's not a vadai and therefore wouldn't be assur mid'Oraisa, but this would answer both kashas. Besides khashash, there's also the concern of Yayin Nesekh. So, therefore, it's assur by number one and number two, when he pours it or does something suspicious, he touches it, he shakes it, oh, that's a red flag. We start thinking maybe he had a mind of avodah zarah. Now, if you know for sure that he pours for avodah zarah, even today, that's Yayin Nesekh. But minimally, a who is a worker, a who is a waiter, and he does something that's suspicious, that is stam yaynam. Again, stam means we don't know exactly where he's coming from. You look in the Shulchan Aruch in Orach Chaim kuf kuf gimel aleph, stam yaynam shall um um um um um ovdei avodah zarah l'eilam, assur b'hana'ah, v'hu hadin l'maggid b'Yayin Shel Anashim. So, after all, why is it assur? Because besides khashash, there's a concern of avodah zarah. The Taz says mil'Oraisa, and the Shach adds d'Rabbanan is also al tiyuvin Nesekh. So, now it's a full picture. You look in the Tur, he gives a little more heshbon. Yayin that that that a poured, the ta'am, keivan she'Yayin Nesekh gam assur b'hana'ah, also stam yaynam, keilu vadai nesekh. In other words, when you see a doing something suspicious and you don't know if he's religious or not, but that's enough of a reason to rely on the Rabbanan to say this is stam yaynam. Assur mid'Rabbanan, but it washes and is very pronounced. Keilu vadai nosekh. Very interesting. The Chazal said stam yaynam is an issur d'Rabbanan as if you know he did it for avodah zarah. Okay. Now, so oy bazoi, we have some very major concerns. If a gives me a bottle of wine l'chayim, that should be assur b'hana'ah. After all that we see, that's that's stam yaynam, it was made in a goy's factory, goy's hands touched it. But not so fast. Listen to the Rama on this seif, and the Rama quoting the Torah as by Mordecai and Rush. Bism has there as you would say to say any shkiah so men ask him about his kahavim. Today it's not so common that they have all these the nourish guide and again the way the Zara the yet to be Zara was very much diminished. But today who pours wine of a Zara even by going his own house? Yes I'm in the Magam Akum is taka also bash kiah. But any also bano. So the so the Rama is cutting the Eastern half. That a vadis tam yanam to is to drink and go issue wine is also but doctor Rama there's no issue of bano. Now the question is where do you get such a spouse spelt? But the mice of the Rama continues. Let's say the guy owes you money and you know he's not going to pay you. But he he'll give you a case of his stamyana wine. That's that or nothing. Take it or leave it. You're allowed to take it because stamyana is mana is there like the most motive ano. Well soon see if he gives you a gift you could re-gift it but here this is very surprising. Why is it motive ano? So the truth is the shakh and if you place with the Rama himself says it's not motive ano like a khila. You can't open a store and sell stamyana but if you got stamyana he paid up a or maybe gave you a gift then you're allowed to have ano. But the question is why do we have such a the such spelt? Manasha if there's a hepta and it's allowed to drink the wine why is it hepta ano? But more than that cuz the makes no mention of this hepta of ano is mana is there. It's only Rama. And taka the hold and that's what the Spanish can go with and the shai and all say the hold there's no such hepta of ano is mana is there. And the Rama is right. Because if they make a takana you can't just change it unless you're a godly man but have a minyan. The Hakadosh made an issue of stam yayin that includes how do you say today is different? And that's why again for Sefardim, stam yayin is mad as that is the same in the same in effect it's the drinking and it's an old law. However, the Rama was makel when makem hefsed. Now it's not hefsed but makem hefsed. The svara obviously is he felt that if there's no avoda zara, why ask about it? Why do things exist in the world in the first place? A good example would be again this is a soon to be the season the holiday season and sometimes a person gets a nice expensive bottle of wine from a co-worker, a boss, a client, a customer. And it's a nice bottle it's worth a nice $100. He wouldn't drink it besides it's treif it's stam yayin. So can he give it to someone that he has to give a gift? He has to give a gift anyhow to some fellow co-worker or boss or client. So it's a great idea. He'll take the wine and give it as a gift. So for Sefardim it's absolutely awesome. That's having an old law. An old law is not after drinking an old law is this is like basar b'chalav. But for Ashkenazim it's mutar. I will say why is that a makem hefsed? He lose a gift he lose a gift but you're not losing anything that's not true. Because the oldest truth is in this world no one gives you anything for free. If someone gives you a gift either it's a loss it he's he's comforting you for the future or it's it's a gedola avar with hope for the future. But there's always going to be something he's doing because he feels beholden to you. He owes you something. Ah. Oy ba zoy his gift is like prius ba'al chov. He's paying you back not with money with a token of appreciation. But the maiseh it seems that this would be included in the heter. Now the Mashgiach in the teshuvah in chelek gimmel siman kuf nun was asked here that this is someone that said the Rav the Rav threw out wine and really it was mutar ba'al no why so machmis ba'al tashchis. So the Mashgiach said listen if you want to use and you have to on their more, it's fine. You can't taste about toss it or out. The Mahaba holds it's awesome. And even what's considered the what's considered hefsid, you're talking about something very, very common. >> [clears throat] >> So, the mice said this is the introduction to our Sugya. Now, let's talk a lot of mice. Let's start with a simple shiner. You saw a guy, a stammer guy, you don't know if he's religious or not. You're not sure if he touched it. Suffolk stam yay num, how would you say the law case for that? So, if it's a stam a Suffolk in the Yayin Nesek, so we could have a nice little comment or doubt about it. But since only a Suffolk there are bottom of the after shock and cook of Dallas you've got an almond gimbal and he says it he brings him his memory. Suffolk stam yay num is treated as a Suffolk there are bottom. Now, I want to add, really in a certain sense the whole stam yay num is also a Suffolk. The guy is pouring, he's touching it, he's shaking it. You don't know if it's the right dessert or not. So, you see that stam yay num is also be Suffolk, but that's not true. I said earlier, the Torah is not shiny as chazzal acid stam yay num as if it's a valid because you see the guy in the door. And that's this, but if you have a Suffolk if the guy did it or not, so a Suffolk guy in the door, there's no acid. But stam yay num is treated as a valid is Next question is extremely the guy. I wish I had more clarity, but my question is is grape juice included in the acid of stam yay num? Now, by the way, I forgot to mention this. Today we're talking about every shiner is if it's not Mevushal. If it's Mevushal, like most places can there's no acid of stam yay num. We're talking about a non Mevushal grape juice. Is it the acid? So, you're wondering why not? I don't know. Grape juice is the guy in the door. You make a government on it. The mice in the attic guy in the maze, you got to make kids shine in the hot killer. So, what's the Suffolk? True. But there's one point. Why indeed is Yayin Mevushal not included in the acid of stam yay num? I don't know. It's It's what's bush will help you. And even this is the issue of yayin nesek. The Torah says, one of the s'varos is that l'maaseh, wine that's cooked, the quality is affected. It's definitely an inferior quality. And the don't use cooked wine for dessert. You know, how you can learn from the how they do things properly. They would never use yayin mevushal for their service. So, what do we say? If it's an inferior wine, there's no issue of stam yayin. No b'nei sayanim either, because he doesn't want a cheap wine. He gives me this cheap wine. So, there's no problem. So, my question is, grape juice is definitely a cheaper wine cheaper than wine. You give a cup of grape juice on Purim, you get a mishaberach, right? It's not wine. So, here the question is, why indeed is grape juice included? It should be like like maybe it should be like bishul yayin yayin mevushal plus. But l'maaseh, it can't be because in gimel sif the mechaber says yayin smoked raisin wine is because of the issue of stam yayin. I raisin wine is a cheap wine. More so, look in the Mishnah and the mechaber brings it, yayin in the gas, not not the street. Gas I mean the press. This yayin nesek begins even when wine's in the grape juice in the in the press. Grape juice yayin in the gas is always never fermented. And Rav Zalman in a teshuvah in came out before us that there is an issue of stam yayin by grape juice. I looked and looked, I did not find any posek that holds that grape juice is not because of the issue. I have a kasha, it's not I would guess the answer is lay plug. Once we know grape juice is yayin l'chatchila, it got to be the bracha, it got to be kiddush. So, it's yayin. Chazal asur. You're going to tell me, no, but it's grape juice. Okay, so how about a wine that's only 3% alcohol alcohol? So, I'm making chalukah and we set it ready for the tour. The tour said it's it's it's hot I made an issue. So, it's not making it up so like plug doesn't seem correct. And that's why the mice are it seems that grape juice is included in the issue. If someone has a better suggestion, I'd love to hear it. Next question has a very big impact into our sugia. A gar toshav is someone that was mikabel do the seven mitzvos noach. Basically, he's a that doesn't do avodah zarah and other of the issue that that a is mitzulav. You ever wonder wine of an of a gar tzedek is it mutar for you to drink or have an offer? Again, I'm a gar toshav, sorry, gar toshav. So, this is in a shachta avodah zarah of samach dalet bet and the machaber quotes it in kuf chaf dalet bet. And the machaber says that the gar toshav's wine is assur bishtiya but mutar bana'ah. Question is a mona shachin. If it's an issue, it's a package deal. Why are you making this chillik? >> [clears throat] >> So, for us it's mamesh masik midrasha. Because a gar toshav will not do avodah zarah, no doubt about it. So, therefore, there's no chashash of issur hana'ah. I so why don't you drink it? Be a sport and drink it. The answer is you still can marry his daughter. There's still an issue with the say'ah. So, we see an interesting concept. If you are certain on on a that doesn't do avodah zarah, there shouldn't be an issue of hana'ah. Now, why is there an issue of drinking? That's because of the say'ah. That's chashash. And the machaber says this in kuf chaf dalet zayin bet. Another source I want to mention and that is a katan. Machaber says it also in kuf chaf dalet where the machaber the the where I got to be a katan kuf chaf dalet regarding a katan, a katan doesn't know the avodah of avodah zarah how to do it. His yayin you can't drink, but you could have an offer of his wine. So, here we see again the same issue with that a situation that there's no chashash of avodah zarah, there's an issue of shtiya, but there's a heter of hana'ah. Come to gain the machaber, please underline it. The machaber. In kuf chof daled, seif alef, kol she'eino oved avodah zarah, yeino assur b'stia u'mutar b'hana'ah. The machaber is talking about a and he's saying that if he doesn't do avodah zarah, you you can't drink his wine, but you can have hana'ah. What is he talking about? What is the situation that he's talking about? So, l'ma'aseh, we would think about, comes to mind, an atheist. Yeah. American, he he serves one god, the almighty dollar. That's it, you know. But there's no god in his life. What also is up to Taz? Muslims. Muslims don't do avodah zarah. They're very intolerant to avodah zarah. So, the machaber is saying, a like an atheist or a Muslim is a reduce this. Can't drink his wine, but no, you're allowed to have. Now, here, interestingly enough, the Taz adds this muscle, but the question is, why machaber does not make compromise? We saw the machaber says on the almost first halacha, in kuf chof gimmel, that a that doesn't do avodah zarah is still assur hana'ah. So, why all of a sudden here he's maikel? There it's not even a kasha. If you have a stam you don't know what's told by him, so the most maikel, but machaber is machmir. You can't change his zayrus. That's that's stam yeinam. But if you know he's from either an atheist or a Muslim, so why assur? So, when you know there's no chashash of avodah zarah because of his personality, because of his affiliation, then an achana'i, even the machaber is moider, there's no issue of hana'ah. A beautiful insight that the chelek between someone stam or a that's not an oved avodah zarah under any situation. So, this is the halacha about a Muslim's wine is never assur hana'ah. Now, I just want to add, someone has a great idea, he wants to avoid stam yeinam by a chassid. He'll hire Arab workers, and there won't be a problem of desire. So there's two problems. First of all, they're dangerous, and that's number one. But number two, but there you go, if the Muslim pours, it's still in a circle. Why? Cuz when I say him, he's still a guy. So it's not going to help. Doesn't make a difference. The only thing you have to do is take away his honor. But no doubt about it, we see that all agree that when there's a guy, a person that does not have a we saw a guy a cotton, a Muslim, an atheist, then there is no problem. Now, the emphasis we love to say today is all the at all, but there's still those third world country I'm going to mention and not it's only a partial list, but the Asians and the Jamaicans and the Indians and the Philippines, they are they some of them steeped in they even do sometimes the incense etc. The Americans, that's the that follow Christianity, pardon me, but that would be considered a desire. Catholics are even more more more into desire. But those that are nominal Christians and they don't believe, that might be included in that. You have to know, you know, the groupings without. But one thing I want to point out and it'll make you more pleasurable when you learn the you find some inconsistencies. The says in our book Listen, find something very unique. Call even leave them. Yeah, I want to learn that. That's not why why why is it called guy that's over the limit? The source that he is the you look up the guy says that called guy in my guy over the limit. Why the say a double option? >> [clears throat] >> And the embassy says in the new prince in the in the freedom it called guy like the guy. But in any prince I saw that on his and even the boy here they take the old prince but not logical over the limit. She ain't over a little. What's that? [clears throat] The terrorists is this is one of the examples I would say the good old senses, but they were the bad old senses that were they were very worried about what we write about them. And one thing that bothered them is why do we consider them subhumans that they touch the wine it's wrong. You know, they're not they're not the first person that had that lashon hara about us eating. You know who's the first one that said that? Haman. Megillah you have Megillah base. Haman [clears throat] told the Achashverosh if they if a fly falls into into their wine, they drink it. But if that any of them touch touch touches the wine, probably it does say touches the the kais, but probably means touches the wine, they attack it's awesome. So, look what look what they think of you. So, the senses could not be so evil that a is something wrong with him. So, therefore they changed it to over Kohanim. You know what that the old-fashioned Mr. they bow down to Mr. the Kohanim. But that's why you find inconsistencies in the new print, the old print. I'll give you another muscle. And this had an impact in Halacha. Beginning of kuf yud base Halachos pas akum also Halacha pas amamim over the avodah zarah. So, the Shach and and Mat Yeden said one thing and let's say there's no chashash avodah zarah. Pas pas akum is mutar. There it says no, avodah zarah. But the senses put that in. Amamim like Kohanim. But for us I would like to use that to save time. To say don't believe avodah zarah, do believe avodah zarah, it takes too long. The word akum is a stam that maybe has a shichus avodah zarah. The word will use a means he's just a non-Jew, but he has no affiliation avodah zarah. Maybe he's a Muslim, maybe he's a again anybody that's atheist, but no shichus avodah zarah at all. Okay, now let's move on because now we'll see we'll have the fruit of our labor. First question is a terribly painful question for me and that is the status of an interreligious Jew. I'm not talking about the shaila on a chicken, we're talking about shabbos chain of shabbos. What is the status of a fryer yid? Is he a In many different ways. You have a fryer worker, a fryer waiter, a fryer cleaning lady. You have a a frum person, baal teshuvah going to his parents who are not religious. Is their wine yayin nesech? His father pours him a cup of wine, he can't drink it. But these are the shailos that we hear. And many other shailos about is there wine a problem of stam yayin? And worse yet to me, but we have to do that, we have to group them together with the atheists and the Muslims. Because the embassy is past this. A yid A yid is a million times better than than a than a than a atheist or a Muslim. The Gemara says the meya says whether he's a ten year old or not a a yid remains bottom of the makom. Bonim, even bonim sichlum bottom of the makom. So the muskol mission is a yid remains a yid and don't ever compare him to a Muslim or or a atheist. But then again this is even worse than that. If the problem is chashash of avodah zarah, stam yayin, a yid there's no no chashash. However, we do know there's a term in halacha, I'll give you one muscle in siman peh heh seif gimmel that a that that has a reshus together with other yidden, so it makes it much more difficult to make an eruv chatzeiros. And the Machaber says how about a fryer yid if he's mechallel shabbos befarhesia? And the Machaber says it very point blank. A fryer person makes complications with the eruv just like a So once we find his halachic status like a so maybe who I did regarding stam yayin. >> [clears throat] >> And maybe there's a makor for this. The Machaber in kuf chof daled seif says Mumar, even though he's a Mohel, but he makes Yayin Nesekh. No, it was Stum Yayinam. No. Mu- Mumar sound like a fryer person. It's not true. You look at the Be'er Hagolah, he sends you to the Gemara in in in Chulin Daled Daled Amud Beis. That's the Makor of the Machabe Mumar. Look up the Gemara, who's Mumar talking about? Achav Harasha. Achav, but the question how did Yoash Hamelach eat from Achav's meat? I he was a Mumar. Now, Achav was an real of Avodah Zarah. So, he not only did Avodah Zarah, but he could be he had he had Takanah the light the light he Takanah had Yayin Nesekh. But, who said a fryer person is included in the Yayin Nesekh? But, then again, if we said all the Halachas of like Plug, and here we said grape juice Yayin Halacha, the Chiyura in Halacha, a fryer is like Akum Halacha. But, the Pele is there is no Gemara besides Mumar that speaks about a fryer person. And Ramash Nachum Chelek Gimmel Siman Zayin of Guf Ches, why not he says, "You know why? Maybe Taka there's no Issur by fryer person. Because there's no Issur Chasanus, if his daughter becomes Frum, you can marry his daughter. And the average fryer person, I mean, come on, all of them, none of them are into Avodah Zarah. So, why should you ask them? No reason applies." Ramash takes the Chiyura to say, "Maybe it's only a Minhag that we treat the fryer person like Avodah Zarah Stum Yayin like a Goy." Now, the Chasam Sofer in Yoreh De'ah Siman Kuf Kuf, says a little more. He says, "You're right. There's no real Issur, but it's a Kanas. They Kanas said the fryer person that the Yayin the his Yayin is Yayin like Yayin like Stum Yayin. Now, the Kasha that someone once he asked me is, "I don't get it. If you don't drink his wine, so that's a Kanas for him. But, if the fryer person pours my wine, it's Assur for me, it's a Kanas for me." But, the Terutz is by the Lay Plug. In Taka I saw in a wonderful Sefer about wine and schnapps and and whiskey in Halacha, he points out that he Ezer says this in Chelek Daled Siman Nun Mem Zayin, he says that maybe there's a light plug that even though L'maaseh right, in this case you cannot sing us, but that's light plug. Chazal treated a friar person like a akum like I'll be this Alacha. Now L'maaseh again I tell you Al Pi Svara we could definitely think we could be meikel, but again as I told you, no one is meikel L'maaseh. The mainstream poskim all agree that that if he's a friar person, we treat him like a Rachmana Litzlan. I don't want to put him in the same category like a Muslim and an atheist, but it's the same idea. It's not a chashash of Avodah Zarah, but an Avodah Zarah of Chashashnus. Now a tinok shenishba might take away the status of a friar person, that's a whole different Sugya, but unfortunately it seems that L'maaseh stam yeinam the issur applies by a friar person only regarding the issur of drinking his wine. Regarding the issur of Hana'ah of a friar person, there's no issur of the wine of a friar person. I'll give you a mashal, it only happened here at Tzl, somebody asked about Yasha's printed Ashrei Ha'ish Omed Ayin Aleph, that he had a geneiva during the night, and he woke up, he was very upset about the geneiva, but he also was sad there was some bottles of wine on the table. How do I know that the ganavim didn't take a coffee break and drink from the wine from the bottle? He said it's only Yidden, stam ganvei Yisrael, Yidden don't do Avodah Zarah. And so he was not You don't have to worry about that that any any doing anything, but just the fact that L'maaseh that they took a drink. Now here's a little bit of an issue here, because if they drank from it, and that that becomes stam yeinam. So could be he assumed that it was just a chashash of drinking from it, or could be stam if they poured out from the bottle and into the cup of wine to drink a cup of wine, that will soon see it's not assur. But L'maaseh this is a clear yesod, it seems that it definitely is a minag or knas that the Yid a Yid a friar Yid's wine does become stam yeinam regarding his shteiyah and not regarding Hana'ah. L'maaseh we have to be careful not to not not to let him know that. If he if he's if he hears that we consider him like a that's really going to finish him off. I mean, he's in bad enough shape. Got to be very careful how to, you know, convey this message. Interesting Halacha regarding Goyish wine is based on a S'la, which is not in quoted in the Poskim except the Macha'im, but it's a minig by many people are very madakdik. The S'la and you want to find it easily in the in the new print it's Chelek Aleph Siman Mem Vav. The S'la in it's in Kedushas Achila Ois Tes Vav. And he found from a Nachman Bavli that one should not use wine that a looked at. >> [clears throat] >> Very interesting lesson. Even though he didn't touch it. He didn't pour it. He looked at it. He shouldn't use it for Kiddush. Kiddush Kos Shel Bracha. Again, as we said, it's not quoted in Shulchan Aruch Poskim. The Macha'im, the Chavas Yair in Kupa Gimmel quotes it and it says it's not just a problem with Kiddush, who are then any Kos Shel Bracha. And some extend it not to make a Bracha Bechlall on wine that a saw, even a Gafen. So, people would not Some people wouldn't use it for Kiddush. Some people wouldn't use it at all. What's the reason? So, the S'la explains when a sees wine he gets excited and he thinks about the Avoda Zara. And Machshavtei is right away Avoda Zara. So, therefore, it has a a trace of Avoda Zara. And of course, the S'la says there something that people He says that he's surprised people are not madik about it. But in Mashama Be'einav, he says you got to be careful that it shouldn't be this Chashash. Now, this could be a chelek a chelek for itself, but very briefly Pashtus is only Kiddush. Again, as it says, the Macha'im says Kos Shel Bracha and some say not to make a Gafen Bechlall. Number two. Pashtus from the Loshon of the S'la is Mashma, it's only when the wine is in the Kos and you could see it. Cuz the S'la says when you smell the smells it. And that also gets him excited about Avoda Zara. No, in a bottle you can't smell it. However, some are madik even in the bottle. In fact, some are makpid even if it's not transparent bottle, some are makpid even if the bottle is sealed, not to use it. That's a pillow, because even the eye of an essa is never also in a sealed bottle. But then again, some are makpid when the sees it even by mevushal. So obviously you're talking about a chumra that's you know, as very people are sensitive to. So we're not going to get into that point now, but I did I hear someone they were makpid everything, so how do you have wine that's not not a shush? He goes down to Kedem and they only have goys who work is he does the work, I'm sorry, producing the wine. He buys a closed box and carries it out. No one sees his wine until it gets to his house. Fine. [clears throat] Now, but the one question I think is a mitzvah to farsem. Let's say you have a frier person by your table. It could be the shabbos table, a simcha, it could be a seder night, it could be a frier a baal teshuvah going to his his parents home that are religious. >> [clears throat] >> Do you have to also be makpid that the frier person shouldn't see the wine? Whatever you Whatever your minig is, if your minig is only seeing the wine, whatever it is, but does that same halacha apply to a frier person? So until [clears throat] now we just proved that legabe stam yaynam, a frier person is like a So lechora the same thing should apply. But avada that's wrong. Because as the shulchan aruch says befeirus, the the the real problem is because when he sees wine he gets excited and he thinks about his desire. Avada a yid, no matter how how strong he is, is not going to think of a desire. So here the point is, you have a relative, you can have your own you have your your own parents, a frier frier parents, and he comes to the seder, he comes to the shabbos with a black bag. His parents say, "What is that?" "Well, I don't want you to see the wine." "What's wrong with seeing the wine?" "Well, it might be stam yaynam." I mean, how how how terrible of a mess that might be. So lema'aseh, the what I found interesting enough, the Ben Ish Chai in Sonei Beis Balak, he says that he quotes this meaning of the Shulchan Aruch, Maggid Mesharim, he says, but Medina it's mutar bavada, but what about but if a is not a but he's an atheist or a Muslim, then there's no problem with them seeing the wine. So, if a if he's not even a Muslim or an atheist, but a Yid, even though he's not frum, I will say, what is the hurt if I am machmir? It hurts a lot. The the person the frier person will get the impression that he's so bad, he can't look at the wine. And I found something I think is noteworthy. The Ba'al HaMa'or in Hilchos Shabbos says he's one of the square of the Yidden in Montreal. He says he heard from Ahavas Shalom that someone came to the Alter Rebbe's tish and he was a frier person. So, the chassidim got nervous, they wanted to take the wine and take it off the table. Rebbe said, "No, no, no, leave it. Leave it right there." And he says the Rebbe had very many peiros and he was makpid on everything and he was makpid on everything. But this he said, "No, no, no. Don't give the impression for one second that he's a A Yid by a Yid. But it's not just the the eidelkeit, it's possible a terrible message to the that the frier person might hear. The next group of questions is so hopefully simple and that is when the something becomes stam yayin. So, here we see that the Rama said people throw out wine for no reason. Because it's not easy to become stam yayin and I'll explain. When something is sealed, sealed I mean was never opened, whether it's a safety seal or even a regular cap, but you could tell if it was opened or not, but it was never opened, is never ever shayach stam yayin. The could shake it and juggle it and touch it, it never becomes stam yayin. Even though as we'll see shaking it shukshuk is a form of desire, but as the Mechaber says, there's not derech nisaich by a closed bottle. It's lav davka sealed, by the way. Any closed bottle, even if it was opened, you poured out, closed it with a white cap, that's also closed and that's Mechaber in Kuntres Hei Tes, a closed the is never shy any for sure of stam yayin. So, when you have a sealed or recap, it's not a problem. In fact, the talks about the guy is carrying a barrel of wine and there's a cover on top of it. Not even a plastic cover that fits nicely. It's covered. As long as you watch that it stayed covered the whole time, it can never be stam yayin. So, this is something interesting that people the guy took out of the refrigerator and cleaned the refrigerator and put back the wine and moved it both ways. So, what? The guy moved the took the whole case of wine, carried it to the car. So, what? If it's closed, it's never shy to be a problem of stam yayin. A guy had someone tell me the side that the guy is a waiter, carried all the the carried the box after the same guy carried the box of wine and put that box of wine that was open. It was just closed with a white seal. Carried it to the car. Is it a problem? It's not a problem. It's not a problem. Because if it's closed or sealed, but even love that any even love that because sealed, there is no of stam yayin. Someone asked me that the baby of the he had a firm guy. The guy came on Shabbos morning and opened all the safety seals from the wine because he knows he doesn't do it. And he said, "Oh, what did you do?" He's all upset. But if it's still closed and it's still especially if it's corked, then there's no shy. Now, a guy took off the cork. That's a little bit issue because if he really if he does it right, so he doesn't really shake it. Just a little bit moving is not that be matter. If you shook it afterwards, then you got a problem. But basically, it's very pretty rare to have a case when any when something is closed or sealed, I love that there is no shy. Now, I saw this in shy where a guy and a was sitting and they're drinking wine and I thought it was yayin it was kosher wine, but the guy drank from his wine so his yayin is so. Then he said, "Let's make a toast." And they clunked the two cups together. Like the guy said, you know, "Toast." Question is if the Yiddish wine became also. Why? So, the guy was yayin is so and the guy banged into his car, that was six. So, I saw in the wonderful safer he says that that's ready I consider I don't have a car. He didn't do it directly, it's indirectly to his car. And the guy was holding on to his car anyhow, that would not be a problem of standing up six. A guy that had a had a bottle of wine, and if he touched the wine anyway, that is taco a problem. That the guy had a car accident. The guy had a car accident with a finger or leg or to the wine itself is awesome. That was a accident. They used to mix the wine or touch the wine or pour the wine. But this is clearly if he drank from a bottle directly from the bottle, so that the guy says in that I feel a little bit that's also as if he touched it. So, if the guy drank from the bottle, or he touched the wine itself, or he shook the open bottle of wine, that is the problem of standing up. That's basically that's the more or less the extent of it. Now, but when it is when he pours it, it's also awesome. That's also a form of but here you have to look at the we'll use it soon in the guy poured the wine and is awesome because even though it's awesome, he didn't touch the wine only but the guy is awesome. So, in other words, pouring is awesome, touching is awesome, drinking is awesome. Those are the of standing up. Good, let's move on and we'll come back to that soon. That's why it's a problem that somebody has to have and you're he sees by a there are waiters pouring the wine. And the only thing he could think of is they had they're wearing gloves. But how does gloves take off the and was very stuck. You have to be you have to be the whole time there's no such a thing. They had to have a Who said it applies to standing up? And he says it's wrong. Now, of course, if you ever see a guy pouring wine by by our simchas, hopefully it's done right. It's only mevushal. Mevushal can't be assur. But a vadem and the ches of Efrat also a chele gimmel siman hey, someone said he heard the up grayish waiter is pouring was not true. The grayish waiters are carrying closed boxes. That's okay. But a grayish waiter that pours the wine, that would be stam yayin because of the pouring kocha is enough to assur. But now, lema'aseh, we had a shaila once when a guy tried to be helpful and after the simcha there were non-mevushal wine and a few of them. So, instead of taking six bottles, he poured some into the others. So, he reduced the amount of bottles he left home. That's stam yayin. The guy poured. No doubt about it. Agav, it's always good to die by a simcha if you have a grayish waiter only have yayin mevushal. Not because of that, but yayin mevushal is not a heder legabe a kiddush. True. But having stam yayin is also not a heder. So, if you have a guy around unless you're watching him the whole all time. Now, most halls, I think all halls today don't allow bringing wine into the hall because it the guy might touch it. Now, someone said, "But do you have to listen? Who who are they to ask of me?" Says, "You have to listen. You're causing me a just precious problems. And also you're ruining the reputation. If you see a guy you see a a bottle of non-mevushal on a table as the waiter moves it, and if it's open, that's stam yayin. Where's the Where's the hashgacha? And the hashgacha said, "Don't bring such wines." So, avada when you have a mevushal, it alleviates the problem. But when the guy actually poured, that's the issue that we're concerned about. Now, also, if the guy carried an open cup, so then if you if you see unless you're watching him like the Machaber, maybe he touched it, maybe he put his finger in, maybe he shook it. So, that would also be a problem. You have to watch him be chill about save when he's carrying it. I heard a true story. Someone invested extra money and he hired only Yiddish waiters by his Shabbos simcha. Fine. And everything's going great. By kiddush, the women said, "We need wine." So, he said, "Okay, no problem." Then he made kiddush, put four cups in front of them, made kiddush, and poured the wine to all of them. And he said, "Here, give this to the lady section." Good. They give this to the ladies, brought the cups of wine to the lady section. Who was there? A goyisha waitress. He didn't think about making a making a waitress also Jewish. So, a few goyisha waitresses were carrying the wine in the open cup to give it to the heimisha women that think they're having mahj and mahj. So, only eight says like the mahj and mahj. If there are people watching these goyishas when they were carrying the wine and it was open, so and they didn't put their finger in or shook it, and that is not them. though there is incidental shaking when you carry it, but that's not what we're concerned about. So, knowing the shach would have saved the day there as well. Now, la maiseh, this is the concept that we have to understand about a pouring the wine. Now, I'll tell you a maiseh so I saw this in that sefer that I mentioned earlier. Beautiful shiva. There was a a an upscale chasuna and they wanted to have by by the chuppah real wine ainam mevushal good quality. So, that you can't go wrong. We'll just, you know, drink drink it and the rest we'll throw out. Fine. Right before the shabbos was about to start, the chuppah, a irreligious photographer decided to be helpful and poured the wine from this expensive bottle of wine into the cup. And the rov now was faced with a terrible problem. A frier yid poured nesach nesach. Poured not not just you know, not just looked at it, he poured it. What should he do? To spill it out? The people are going to wonder, what is it? They think he's a There's going to be photographers, there's going to be pictures, there's going to be videos. But then again, it's a problem. Well, let me say a more a more simple shiva. A someone goes a a baal teshuvah goes to his parents home for for shabbos and they're very very respectful, everything is mahj and mahj and the kashrus. His father wants to pour him a cup of wine. He says, "No, you can't." But the chiyus is a problem. So, here we come to the chiyus I mentioned earlier. And that is the shach says a lotion that when a frier person pours, that when when when a pours, it's considered koichai. It's not the real issur, it's a take of the issur. The chiyus you'll see in hilchos yayin nesach is by a frier person, the issur goes down one notch. In other words, for a regular it's assur in shtiya and I know. For a year for a a year for a year it's also and also also also yeah. But it always go down a notch. Comes again the greatest shark and if you have it. And he says a guy that really has a big impact and he says if a fryer person pours so it's right away goes down a notch because of it. But by a fryer person there's never an issue of so what notches to go down? So and I quote when a fryer person pours wine it's because yeah. Because because always also also yeah. And this is the pillar of the shark which really is because you learn because the only issue is that they touch things. The dog and on the toes say the same thing they endorse the shark as other things and and the talking to the other guy. So you have a place where you are the name of the shark that when a fryer person pours wine it's because yeah. Now I have a life saver under the the just drink the wine period. The the father now I got a better idea the son pours for the father. First of all let's keep it off and also avoid problem. But let's say the father pours for the son not the end of the world. The problem why this is very not possible the toes that I mentioned also the cotton takes strong exception. You can't be what a fryer person poured. And the shark and I am base quotes to the bush the and the other is that you can't be on the shark if the toes argues and the shark argues. The other is also you can't be on the shark. But the mice of the shul was the shul. So, what do we say? We say what makes sense. A vada, one should avoid having a a fryer person pour the wine. In other words, it's not a good idea to hire fryer workers. The waiters, because the mice of the taz osis as many places. But the avid, especially in a situation that's very sticky situation, inside the kiddushin is momish being watched that they don't know what what's happening. So, if he no one's looking, he could spill it out and so the the wine remaining in the in the bottle, that's there's no dinner nitzik killer by a fryer person. But, you know, it's not like, you know, you could wash negel vasser, you could wash mayim acharonim under the table. You can't pour out a cup of wine under the chuppah. You know, it it it it will just be it will go viral, you know, what what he did, you know, what's he doing? Lema'aseh, but in the case of a shas at chak, we have this heter to be sameach on you could even drink the wine. Now, lema'aseh, this is why we understood by the chasan as well, it was something of pashut there's no other eitzah. You can rely on the shul in that situation. Consider the next question you may have never thought of, but it needs eeyan. Can I pour for a fryer person a cup of wine? Why not? It's me pouring for him. And so, here the question is like, the emes when the the the fryer person, when he gets the the wine, forget there's no problem. When he starts to drink it, so then it becomes stam yayin nom. Because it touched his mouth. So, here all the places can wonder, is that a heter now? Because by me pouring the wine, I'm giving him a chazanta doing a vera of drinking stam yayin nom. It's also lifnei ivar. If he pours for himself, that's his problem. But I am pouring for him, and by that, it's not even a problem because he could pour for himself because the fryer person pours no issur. But if I pour for him, it's my lifnei ivar. So, what's the heter? So, there's a beautiful letter from the Steipler, it's printed in my Adam Yitzchak chelek ches, sit it's amud tzadi aleph, you want to see it mikhtav beis and all about it. And the Steipler says that lema'aseh, he's he's only a he's considered a of course clappy others but not the himself cuz he's a Yid. And clappy himself so but therefore there's no problem of lifnei eiva because the Maisha clappy himself he's there's no issur of him making his own yayin nesach. The Staipel says that yesod and he likes that yesod. The Beis Shaul in Yoreh De'ah siman reish chof he says in Sneh Chah, he says why is Staam Yayin Maisha to keep a distance from the Well, you can't keep a distance from yourself. So, he can't drink his own wine because a distance for what? Rav Maisha we could really appreciate. Rav Maisha who says really his question was this question. Someone asked him how could you pull off a fraya lifnei eiva? So, Maisha after he proved that it's only a minig he says, "Oh, so the minig is only that the assuras Staam Yayin but not to the extent that it's even an issur of lifnei eiva." So, Maisha uses his yesod as only a minig to prevent for this this question as well. I must mention also the Staipel mentions it and then he retracts from it by Sdei B'Yasha the same thing. Maybe the Chashmona'im is possul. Either you treat him like a Yid or a But either way he could drink his own wine. If he's a Yid, he could drink his own wine. If he's a he could drink his own wine. You can't give him the worst of both worlds. He's like a Yid, like a make up your mind. So, Ma'aseh Rav Shaul said the Staipel even though he retracts from that but Rav Yasha said this yesod, he can't be on on both counts. Either he's a or a Yid, either way he could drink his own wine. Now we could say acharon chibed the question that we began with when wine is left alone, unattended and only a is there, a goyete is there, there's no difference or goyete. You left a person left his wine in the yeshiva over bein hazmanim or at home a cleaning lady and they go on vacation or even a day at work. The the various situations that a is left with wine. So, the Emes says if there's a nichnas v'yotzei, if people are coming, so there's no shaila. If there's a valid meertis for whatever reason, but I'm being careful, whatever reason, if there's a valid meertis, they won't touch the wine, fine. I'm talking about a yeshiva that was ben hazmanim and there's no nichnasim during the ben hazmanim. So, the are there alone. They know what they've They're every year they go through this. Pesach they're a few days alone. Or a cleaning lady knows that they're both husband and wife go to work a full day. No one comes home. On my old catering hall, all the yidden leave and the place to work is closed up and they're together with wine for a long time that there's no one coming. So, what's the problem? The shash is very serious. This is dam yayin they might drink from the bottle, the rest of the wine is ossur. They might pour pour wine to the other. What's How do you know what's going on? So, the emphasis True, today there's less avodah zarah in the world. But, one thing I want to tell you that this is a machaber, it's not nervin, it's a machaber, devotes two simanim. Yoreh De'ah kuf resh ches, kuf resh tes, wine that was left with the in hand of a and if there's no nichnasim, there's no meertis, the wine is ossur. The machaber says it as clear as can be. So, even though there is no concern of avodah zarah today as much, but you never know. And the same problem of course with the meat. I know I spoke to someone recently. He told me that he asked his rav Rav Chaim Kanievsky a while ago about this shaila. He goes, "I don't know if I had that. If you find out, then call me day or night." But, this year told him what he did was he was worried about also the meat, leaving the house with with with meat and with pots. He He in- in- invented He He invested big money. He has switched to close the oven and the gas range could not work. He locked the freezer and there's no problem. Everything in the freezer I mean locked the refrigerator and freezer, meat, chicken, wine, everything was inaccessible. There was no cooking apparatus. But, that's regarding meat, which is a different story. But, regarding wine, if the chazal say it's ossur, what what should be the heter? Now, people say, "Yeah, what's the chance then? I know they're nice people." If you say that, you're probably not a rov, because every rov in those stories I heard this from rov last week, a woman walked in the house and he saw a frying meat. She said, "Rov, what what what what means that from?" Because I should He mentioned He mentioned the store in Flatbush, a kosher store. Or the other nation. But the fact that a took it cook meat that's as if Is it a bishul akum? Another story, and this a rov said he saw he's he's He swore he heard from the from the from the ba'al habos. They went on vacation for a week and they came They trusted the that they came home. And somehow they they went into the videos and they saw a party of all the local goy'im were having in this person's house. I guess a little bit of an akum also. We have to work with these people. It was mamish a party. Everybody brought their food and they're looking around like a bunch of different goy'im in this in his mishkan and they were having a party of of uh you know of a takrivos avodah zarah. So lema'aseh, again, it's not just an an erven issue. There's a problem here. So if a person is able to create a mirror this, he has a security camera that goes 24/7, it's all over. Or he only leaves bottles of wine that are sealed properly and chanam. Reb Elskin in Sefer Kodesh in Sha'ar Yayin she'einam mevushal, mogla anachri leshmirah, hareihu yayin nesach. And that's the posuk. So how do you avoid that? How do you go around that? So lema'aseh, the Mechaber does say this is halacha. Now someone told me that the Belzer Dayan, the Zayins Reb Eckstein, has a teshuvah in his sefer, which I didn't have, but I got it hold of it. In the sefer on Pesach, he has teshuvos in the end and he's meikel. So I wanted to see. So I looked it up in Amud Tav Daled. So he takke has a shaila where the left the hole with the goy'im and went home. Is the wine muttar? So he writes there, in my shiur, I say it's assur. But probably I say it's muttar. Why? Because the posuk is a very very very psak. Don't be meikel where it comes to some yayin. Now, why am I meikel? He says, because maybe today they they can't stick their finger into the wine bottle, it's too small. And maybe they won't drink the wine, it's only a safek and it goes with a safek will got to be stum and the safek is mutar. But he himself says that he's not same on the head there. And it's in the shear he says that it's also. But it's also a kodesh to say safek even though stum is is also is not also be safek but then again this is stum. The maiseh it's taka something that needs clarification. We do baruch hashem we raised the level of kashrus in America. It's unbelievable it's inspiring but this needs a ticket. I'll leave you with something a story that I heard from my rav but they have you over them. It was once a Sunday morning he was walking it was early in the morning and he saw a couple from his kehillah a husband and wife walking. And he got nervous why is a woman especially a woman up so so early Sunday morning because everything okay? He goes yeah yeah we're finally going on our long awaited vacation. So where are you going now? Well we're not leaving our valuables in our house and our jewelry everything we're putting in the safe deposit box. All right the rav says one second. Who's in your house now? The there. And the children. But here we just said you're not leaving your valuables with the there your jewelry. But your children and your kashrus and your wine them you do trust the there. It comes to the valuables you you don't you don't trust them. And it it was a tremendous lesson that our valuables our kashrus our of ourselves our children this is something that has to be addressed. If this taka the shulchan aruch asks this we have to find ways to do it but if it had that we can talk to you. >> Shamayim should return like to give a big shout out to our sponsors for today's shear we'd like to give a big shout out to our small ram for sponsoring today's shear in nishmas Avraham ben Moshe Zalman ben Shmuel Tzvi alav hashalom today's nishmas Tzvi ben Avraham. Have the greatest sponsoring a shear call shear at 718-851-8651. Or email [email protected] or or turn to our website sheeurnow.com and for any questions or comments >> May. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. >> All right. Okay, whoever wants to be here you say you go out of the ones we mentioned last week for the sake of shh. >> What we learned today Yayin Nesekh is hopefully not nigeya, that's an issur derabbanan of the craves of avodah zarah is a pasuk. The sugiyah today was stam yaynam, [clears throat] which means wine that a gave you or a that a wine that a has or he either touched it, touched the wine or shook it as a sort of avodah zarah that is that we don't know what's doing in his mind, that's not avodah zarah but Chazal instituted for two reasons. Number one, khashash avodah zarah, and number two, the issur um of khasnus to prevent any intermarriage between a Jew and a There are most khiddushim bizman hazeh that there are no avodah zarah, there's no issur hana'ah on any stam yaynam, the Mekhaber is makhmir and even the Rama says only makom hefsed you could rely on this. If a person got an expensive gift of wine, according to the Rama he could be gifted, that would be considered makom hefsed. Safek of stam yaynam is muttar, grape juice it seems all the poskim agree is included in the issur of of yaynam. An atheist, a Muslim, a have the dollars, a friar Yid is there's never an issur on their wine. The only issur is sh'tiyas of their wine because there's no problem of avodah zarah. There are today religious of that do have a problem of yayin nesek. You have to be careful about that. There is a as we said, the difference between the word and akum. means he doesn't have any affiliation. Akum means potential of avodah zarah and that will explain the Shulchan Aruch. Some of it has been tampered with. A friar person only asses in the sh'tiyah. His wine is assur b'sh'tiyah but muttar b'hana'ah. Looking at the wine, there are various levels of this chumra up until even even mayim mevushal in closed bottle. But l'ma'aseh, we are not machmir with that regarding a friar Yid cuz he's still our brother. A sealed or closed bottle can never have any issur of stam yaynum because there's no avodah when the bottle is closed. If a took off the safety seals or even opened the cork without shaking it, there shouldn't be a problem. Moved a closed or sealed bottle upstairs, downstairs, in the refrigerator, it's all fine. There can be a shaila. Shook a closed bottle is also muttar. It's also muttar because there's no issur when it's closed. A the the heiter that we had by a friar person is even if the friar person poured the wine, then there is no issur sh'tiyah on that. The Makom Torah gives that's the Shach's chiddush. You can rely on that. But Tshuvas his parents on or by a chuppah as we said, pour for a friar person is not assur for various reasons. As we said, leaving home with a a or goy'te and there's no nichnas l'yotzei, there's no me'ut is there is that serious problem and one should be careful either to leave the house, not leave the house at all times, you know, leaving it on the without any enter to the when he's leaving, but either they have yayin mevushal or sealed bottles or at least to have a security camera that will alleviate the problem. Yeah, what do you want to say?