Jack Langer | The Deal W/ Nissim Black

[Music] ladies and gentlemen thank you for tuning in to the to the deal today i have the privilege of speaking to the host of a brand new podcast inspiration for the nation on his very own living lehigh podcast network before his latest show he was a co-host of the meaningful people podcast among a number of other jewish jewish creative endeavors and that's right everyone i have with me jack lingard today and now jack i want to i want to tell you first it's a pleasure to have you on the other thing i want to ask you is do you prefer jack or do you prefer yaakov i know which one i prefer but i'm not you so i don't want to i don't want to yeah i think i prefer yaakov only because that's how i've always been gone going uh jack is my legal name so in the business world i go by jack but either one is fine but i i feel like my close friends call me yakko so i want you to call me out okay i'll call you yaakov thank you very much so that's my my first born is uh my first boy at least uh is also yaakov so oh no way yeah yeah i always feel connected to anyone named yaakov i feel like we have an extra it's interesting yeah i can't understand it i totally understand i totally understand it and jacob look at that look at that it's a big name so listen i'm gonna i'm gonna shoot straight i'm gonna ask you the first question okay uh you and i touched on it before you spoiled it for me before anyway meaningful people talk to me you know obviously this podcast in my mind is like you know blowing up everybody's listening to everybody knows about it and know about it so much that like whenever people coming to me is like i really enjoyed your podcast i'm like man so many people listening to the deal it's like crazy i'm like what was your favorite episode it's like all the meaningful people right oh oh oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so so uh many people you know for whatever reason is mistaking it but you know obviously amazing show so many people watch it so many people get inspiration i get inspiration my wife is like always sending me different episodes also so uh i wanna know what's going on why why the move sure it's it's you know for me meaningful people we started two years ago it was a dream come true you know naki i knew a little um from high school a little older than him and he approached me like hey i want to do a podcast let's figure this out and it actually took us a very long time to come up with the name meaningful people and um yeah we went into it and to be honest we didn't anticipate we knew it would like blow up somewhat because we were filling this hole in at least in the orthodox community there hasn't been really a show where people could talk and and and get to know them really well we have books about good oil and great sages that pass away after they pass away and you get to know them but like why wait until they die let's talk to awesome people and not just great sages there's awesome people out there doing amazing things living their best life so we really didn't think that this would go as big or as long as it would be and you know as nahi spends a lot of time building out his brand with meaningful minute um i too have a brand i have living like i am and just logistically it's to get knocking myself in the same room with a guest you know how complicated it is like we reached out to you right in the beginning like it took i don't know obviously covert was in there but it took a year and a half um so just logistically um we thought it was the smartest move for naki to continue and um i think he already made the announcement he got a new cause he's continuing full people meaningful people still continuing uh but and i'm continuing to do podcasts and i have something called inspiration for the nation we're very similar um i just me being my authentic self going to places maybe trying to get a little deeper i'm a little grittier and talk to maybe a little more diverse kinds of people get to know them and get the world to know more awesome people so listen it would be one thing if inspiration from the nation was just another podcast but it looks like it's a podcast coming out on the l'chaim network right living lakhai network so that's your network so it's much bigger than just like oh i just got another podcast you have a podcast network so talk to me about that like what inspired you to to to make this network yeah so so living like i am it's blown up way bigger than i ever could have imagined um i started it a year ago obviously with the success of meaningful people it was like okay this is great we're talking to people but there's so many different subjects that i personally wish i had growing up as an orthodox jew i i think i learned a lot myself from you know i grew up in a from home but i had a lot of access to tv it wasn't netflix at the time but i was the youngest of four um a little break in between my brother the one above me and myself so i got away with anything and everything so consuming content i cartoon network nickelodeon disney channel i watched a lot and i always wish there was like better content for myself growing up from the jewish angle right so it came out with this idea actually we we interviewed naftali horowitz on meaningful people right he's he's this you know rabbis last hasidic person who went into the finance world and did phenomenally well and he now speaks to tons of people about what's the real value like why do we make money like what's the point of it and is there something more in life and after i spoke to him i'm like i am fascinated by him this guy needs his own show right and that's that's where the birth of kosher money came where it's everything to do with uh finances and how an orthodox person could you know travel through life with this mindset of like i need money to live and it's important but that's not the goal of my existence right so i said okay let me create a network because this is the other amazing amazing podcast by the way i i benefit from it a lot i really i just want to tell you that thank you i i really appreciate that and yeah i i'm not on it it's my brother ellie langer who he's he's phenomenal he's great at asking questions and he worked at cnbc and it was supposed to be enough tully but naftali is like i'm too way too busy i'd be a guest on your show and um we started this living lehigh's first show was kosher money and we since we've had other shows i'm happy to talk about it but i i created a youtube channel and i created it for orthodox jews little did we realize that the content that we're giving over is like talking about money and its value um it really pertains to anyone so all of a sudden tons of non-jews um and non-religious jews started following living lachey because they're like i really like this kosher money and as of today that we're recording you know i started at zero subscribers as of today it's been less than a year we're at 70 000 youtube subscribers wow amazing amazing i mean listen i mean somewhat i don't know did you not think about it from a marketing perspective i mean you're a marketing guy come on you know that's what i do i do marketing i do marketing okay can you imagine with all the different stereotypes about jews with money and then of course the of course everybody's gonna sign up once they see that you were talking about how to make more money anything that has to do with money i mean it was like sort of like a uh you know it's like you set up the pins you for sure you're going to know you're going to hit a strike there's definitely clickbaity episodes i listen i i thought it would go do well i just didn't i thought maybe we'd get 5 000 subscribers but like yeah obviously there's certain episodes like we have a hasidish man who lost i don't remember it was like hundreds of millions of dollars and gained it back so like i knew that episode would do well but like even just the practical episodes of like how to budget i i don't know there's there's so many there's dave ramsey out there who's doing a great job who right we're we're in talks to hopefully maybe i don't want to jinx it we're getting there but but um yeah there's people are just eating it up so it's amazing to be on that's big man that's so big so tell me like out of all these different projects right because you're involved in a lot of stuff you create a content for social media like you with a sign or different things like that right so tell me which and i know it's hard because some people ask me this you know in a different form obviously what's your favorite song what's it like what's your favorite project like you know when you say when you strip away everything it's like that's my thing right so i had to develop over the last i would say year and a half two years especially when i had corona i was in the hospital i did a lot of thinking over that right over that over that time and when you're when a person's sick and with all the everything else that's going around it wasn't as bad as the the news reported but it never really is so but i was i had a lot of thinking and reflection to do i was in the hospital six days and the bed was very tough for me so i i did a lot of thinking and stripping away during that time of what's the most important thing to me right i had a very powerful thing earlier um earlier today i was listening to a shiro from rabbi weinberger and one of the things they said what you had on your show as well so one of the things that that he said over there is when it talks about when we talk about uh you know living life you know living life and living living your best life or um forget the term exactly uh that a person has to you know live life to its fullest or whatever that can mean different things for different people you know for a person you know today who's who's who's lived a fairly okay life and everything that means you know to to take care of all your perception or to be grateful for life or and not to forget like so at that point when a person doesn't have anything or they're barely making it through life and when a person is terminally ill god god forbid you know kasper shalom at that point the person has a whole different meaning about the value of life and what what's most valuable to them and then at that point i think it's the realest right when it's when is this if you can imagine you know not being sick at least but if you can imagine that if i stripped away everything what's my thing out of everything that i did this is my thing i love that question well first of all i'm happy you didn't die that's i just want to get that out there i'm very glad i'm very glad you thank god you're better yeah um that's a great question like you said it's definitely very hard to answer there's i think there's like different components for i guess each of these podcasts and even yid would sign you the sign is like and which i do together with uh aim humor um it's like my fun side but i think the core of it if i have to answer this honestly i think the core of it for me right now i think inspiration for the nation my new show is my passion i i sincerely believe as of right now you know our missions in life change but i think this is what i meant to do and i think it's a blessing to have that um just discovery within oneself like i love talking to people i love i don't think i'm personally very inspirational and i'm not just being humble like there's no story here but like i love talking to people like when i had you on the show and just or moshe weinberger or whoever it is like i love having that conversation and people hearing it and just going like what's my mission in life and right and i i i you know i lived in israel um as a baker uh by rabbi i went to yeshiva there i was by rabbi center i was there for four years i thought i'm going for one year i didn't was there yeah yeah so this is the best so i was there for four years as a bachelor and something that i didn't realize at the time i loved going to shabbos meals and it didn't make a difference whether i knew the person well or not i went it was obviously great food good varatora but i loved the conversation i loved whether we were going somewhere with it or not i just love that and i think that has helped me train me be able to interview people because like people say like all the time you know is there a trick is there anything i'm no pro i just definitely have a little experience and and you know what we said this before we came on it's just about being authentic just being curious asking questions right i i think that's me in my nature and i i think that's i don't know in 10 years if it's gonna be my same mission or what i have to do but i really sincerely believe like that's what hashem wants for me right now and i'm going full force interviewing as many people as i can that's amazing that's amazing so when you put together you know podcasts um i don't necessarily think it's a michael because it just depends on how the listener wants to listen some people are more into audio some people are more individual um you yourself do both um yeah so the question is is like do you have a favorite i i i come to the realization for me that obviously the visual for me is a little bit more of my thing um the reason being is because i don't uh as much as audio i'm not such an an audio guy i'm a visual guy everybody you're not an audio guy you're you're you're a music guy i know i know but i prefer to if if i could even with you know releasing music and releasing songs and i love the the audio obviously uh because i'm an audio guy but if i could release every song with a video i would and and i would do it to the max like i would create you know they used to release some people every once in a while they'll release like a visual album i would love to do a visual album to really go in and have that serious like visual to what it is that i'm doing will be like next level will be next level so um i i stand on the visual side and i feel like at least with the visual people are getting both you know i can hear this but i can also see this you know like i always think about like you know i put together a grill yesterday you know i got my handyman on i got tired of calling my handyman every five seconds i need to change a light or something i call it you know uh and i get in the studio i'm doing all this complex stuff when it comes to anything else i can't do it right so i put together my grill last night and i'm looking at these instructions on hebrew my my modern hebrews for sure not that great but i'm reading through the whole thing trying to go through and i thank god i'm just going through looking for the pictures ah the pictures the pictures the pictures and i started thinking what if things actually came with the video i want to watch somebody put this together and i'm sure if i would have had internet or something like that i could have went to youtube and found somebody putting together the same grill but you know that's the thing is sort of like once i have the visual it really helps me so and your favorite you know show me tell me what your favorite is out of the two so i i differ in opinion i i mean i think from a music video standpoint i think i'd also like to consume content like that but in terms of creating the content at least podcasts i for me the audio is like the main thing and that's what i tell people like even if the video doesn't work as long as people could hear the messages because i think that's the root of at least the shows that i'm doing i want people to hear the messages don't get me wrong i think i do everything with video because a lot of people like consuming content with video you know let's see you like a niece and black would love watching a conversation between you know ellie lingard and um aaron eisenberger who or whoever it is um but for me the root of it is what are we saying why are we saying it it's more a speech thing and it's in the torah it's it's called yaakov so i'm a little biased but right for me i think that's that's the root of that so tell me more about uh inspiration for the nation go deeper take me in deeper what it is i mean because everybody go follow it by the way um thank you but what inspired you um beyond the shabbos tables we talked about the shopping center i want to go deeper into the inspiration because it's a real big thing and i and what one thing is for me is when i hear um inspiration a lot of times people are inspired inspired by something and then they don't really the inspiration lasts just for a little bit right right um and the awesome thing about creating content is you get to replenish and you you get to give them the inspiration over and over and over and over again so take me deeper into into inspiration for the nation yeah sure so first off i'm not gonna like i'm not making a i'm not swearing by this but like making a schwa about it i i want to do for the next three years every single musta shabbas i want to release an episode so hopefully even if the inspiration wears off by the next week you're getting another person another person another person there are so many fascinating people in the jewish world and even i think i'm gonna go even outside the jewish world there's so much inspiration out there and you know what you look around at least for me i think living life it's so easy to be hard on ourselves and be like what am i doing what am i like am i really accomplishing anything and listen i'm sure you get this all the time you're a popular very popular guy and you might feel that sometimes people are like how could you how could you feel down you're so popular you have millions of views on youtube everyone loves your music but you're human we're human right and as long as we're here we are here for a reason and we are so different all of us i mean you can find identical twins each of them are their own person they obviously have similarities but there's they're really so different so i love this idea that you know the first episode of inspiration for the nation i sat down with rabbi daniel kalish he's the menal of waterbury he might be i don't know people told that to me before and then after i sat down with him i'm like he might be he might be he's awesome um i get it i get why people love him so talking to someone like him right who's like a master mechanic and he hates that term so if he's listening to this or watching this i'm sorry ravi kalish but talking to him about you know how do you deal with with guys who are just not sure who they are or how to find themselves and just having conversation about like being authentic and finding ourselves and being honest and really listening to others that's one conversation and then i'll talk to you know uh senator joe lieberman about his political experience in america and almost becoming vice president i think that's a beautiful thing i i i think we're at a time in life where we finally are like wait a second being different is a good thing i meant right i i don't know if i could bring this up but i think to you and oliver shalom mentioned to you something along the lines of that no right they're like right right right right what do you say remind me what what do you tell you right right right so rev rockham was very very uh um it was it was his look in his eyes was like fire right i was obviously having issues at the time with my kids getting into school i went to ravcheim just i'm i'm there just for rough time but when he said to me most powerful thing forget what all the everything that came afterwards he said your color is your myla not your own your color is your virtue this is not the thing that's wrong this is not where you have a lacking this is your very virtue right i've got a goosebumps by the way this isn't blown away this is from good old door this is what he told me there were people in the room that was there they anywhere you know unfortunate when you go and you're in this business you get a photo opt and everything so there were plenty of people there that heard it and it was a it was very very powerful very very powerful um somebody had the audacity to ask me he's like you think maybe he was joking you know sometimes oh my god he's gonna inspire people know how to always ruin things you always know how to ruin things no always oh it's so easy to ruin things but yeah you're right you're right i think it's important because also like you said we all get to those places uh me myself i'm looking for inspiration all the time i need inspiration all the time but people don't understand like you know some people when they come up to me there's people that come up to me and they're like they want a selfie on the picture i get it right i get i was that kid i used to run into you know famous baseball i remember running into alex rodriguez and and then nothing against him but he was a jerk but anyway i remember running into the guy as a kid you know and like no time of day or whatever i never wanted to be that person so when is your fight in this limelight i want to give everybody but the thing that's most powerful is when people give to you from their heart and that inspires me and inspires me and it helps me to continue going and it gives me so much inspiration so inspiration is everybody needs everyone needs it's it's like it's like blood you know like right you can't you can't function life without it and and there's this idea i'm gonna botch it up i think it's in the gemara somewhere i don't know where it is my mashiach rabbi stark mentioned this idea of like someone could literally die if they don't get the proper attention and appreciation and like there's re there's really something there and like scientific even you know what i'm saying not to time yeah anything higher than the gemara i definitely would put it down a few madrigas but you know this has been proven by people who you know who who don't even believe in gama understand this is especially right and it's crazy like you know we live in a time where you know we're we get it we're part of that generation where like we know technology is so useful to connect us but we also know like this is a very isolating times like you know i we i wish i could go back 300 years ago before all of this and like be on a farm and be connected to the people that i'm with like there's that certain lack of distraction and and right now we're all connected but we're also so alone like i'll whatsapp thousands of people but at the same time that like real human connection like i'm looking for and if there's any technological way with podcasts or you would sign if i could put that out there and try to help people really authentically be connected in some way i'm in that's what's important it's so funny you said that i always think about all all the time my my my my favorite time is two three hundred years ago when you had baal shimatov's you had the villenegon you had you know rabbi nachman like i want to go back to the bin shkai and and the only thing that always stops me when i think about this is the bathrooms bro i i just started thinking about like like i you know like i want to go back to that time but man can you imagine have to use the bathroom you don't got tissue kleenex like what's the situation i've been to ukraine i go to ukraine every year some of those stop offs are crazy you know they're like living back in time you understand what i'm saying so i'm just yeah no i just well be careful with what you wish for you know what i'm saying listen if i wish this and like poof it happened i don't know it'd be kind of cool but yeah i agree with you listen i think it's it's nice it's an idea like i love the idea of shabbos not using technology don't get me wrong the second shabbos is over i'm back on but like there is that appreciation of like being in that zone but yeah not having fresh wipes yeah would be a very big challenge for myself as well right right right so you you've explained to me a few different guests and other people that you have um that you've had on and that you've had on even from meaningful people um give me some power points like give me something that was like really life-changing um that either content-wise or was a person that was that was like very polarized like what give me some experience left with like yeah like i'm just i'm on a high right now i i have i you know what this is something that didn't get fully eared um and whatever it just it just didn't work out loud what was the best stuff yeah yeah no it wasn't because it was controversial but i'll tell you what happened one of my last episodes i think is the last episode i actually recorded with naki um we had jake turks we we released them out of order but jake turks he's um you know he's in the white house he's corresponding like he's talking to presidents and interviewing all them and he's very interesting person we asked at that point probably 80 to 85 people um if you could spend one time uh one hour with someone in history it could be anyone it could be admiration it could be moshe it could be the the ariza whoever who would you spend it with and he said an answer so for me it made me cry when he said it and it was it's ironic for me it was like the last time that question was asked it was also my favorite answer anyone gave and again that's just personal i know people appreciate and like different answers but to me it really hit home um he said two answers his first part was a joke which i love humor i love comedy so i was all down for and the second part was heartwarming which i'm anything to warm a heart i'm in for so he first said if he could meet one person in history he'd meet adolf hitler and he said i would go to hitler when he's a kid and say adolf i'm from the future one day you will be the biggest most popular artist continue with your painting i think he used to paint when he was younger you're gonna be the best painter ever and the world's going to love you like only focus on the art of painting you have a lot of energy go for it and then you know you know the holocaust wouldn't have happened he was like half joking half serious i'm like that's kind of actually brilliant saved right six million people that's actually really smart uh but then he's like you know what another person if you give another answer is he would want to sit with he had a baby and unfortunately i think it was a son his son died uh within a day of being born and he said he's like i just i'm not getting terri now he's like i would just want to sit for an hour holding my son's hand and i just like i like i'm tearing that like i you know like you think of the amazing people we had in our life and and like you know people had like the here's here's you know he had a baby like you know obviously it's nine months but like there was barely any real relationship there but it was his son and if he could sit for an hour and just just put his hand over his baby's hand i'm like there's something so deep there that like really moved me and and you know i i had a son recently um no my wife and i thank you thank you i was going to ask you about that because like as you're telling me the story i'm thinking like i know you were going through the fertility thing yeah and you know for years i was going to ask you about that like that had to really hit a place for you yeah no for five years we we you know we didn't have a baby until we did thank god thank you hashem everything from hashem but like when he said that in that moment i'm just like we gotta be so grateful for everything we have and and i don't know it was just such a beautiful moment and like yeah that really got to me and and it's funny like i never would have imagined that was the line from jake turks a very funny guy like right no just that's just life you know that's it's powerful um that that probably is i you know i mask him to that i answered that too i'm very masculine to that being the best answer yeah yeah it's just just powerful so with social media um i mean i think you're fighting a good fight right also too and that's as one who fights a good fight i i participate in in rap music right which is a genre that's more noted for its you know it's bad points and the gangster rap and the this and that and whatever i'm more known uh um as as not that but that's my thing and i'm participating participating in what i would say maybe as an uphill battle to be able to release content that sort of goes away from that type of negativity um but that's the world i'm in right now i recently just did a deal with hbo for a tv series right i just saw that on twitter i don't know for a lot of talk about that yeah yeah yeah i'm okay it's okay i'm so excited because it's about you i'm here interviewing you that's the reason yeah but you're my friend so it's about so okay so that which is something that's very exciting but if i didn't i going through everything to find you know fred tajik who's probably one of the best lawyers so i probably need to have on anyway because i think it's like one of the only froome guys in the land uh in the in the business um and he's one of the top at least top five entertainment lawyers i mean from games of thrones to the harry potter so what i mean he he's the man um he sounds like he's an inspiration for the nation he's an inspiration for the nation i don't know why he has not been on all these pockets and and not only that he's such a sign me up about him such a mention and and to be able to work with him and him to go to bed because think about it i'm going into a world where you know they put out content that is you know a lot of it is in all the entertainment all the hollywood right is anti-yiddish guy anti-torah anti-value the value system that we have you know so it's very very hard to function in that type of in that type of way so um you fighting this uphill battle and i went through everything i had to find somebody that can that that doesn't know just the halal because i need somebody that knows hashikafa knows everything right so i had to go and navigate through these type of things in order to be able to do that you are in a world of social media and content where everything is like just garbage it's trash there's so much negativity everybody wants to be negative um even you can post so many trollers even online that how do you feel because sometimes the stuff it bothers me affects me sometimes in a light way i really look past it but i barely am even looking at everything that's going on but every once in a while i'll go and check and i like to respond to people and you just get people that just say awful things horrible things and it's just almost like they they wake up in the morning and they're looking to say the most negative thing that they can and it's like the social media is being flooded with all of this so my question is for you fighting this uphill battle that you are does it ever affect you when people are have people ever you know said anything it could be just me but i i i'm i'm almost sure that there's a lot of people yeah no once you're you put yourself out there like it just opens up people to be critical um a lot of times they're not even trying to be mean but they could be so easily mean especially behind the computer like no one can really see who they are it's so easy um you know similarly to like what you're saying um with what you're doing with hbo which i'm literally so excited for i did a sign um on yid with sign uh about i think it's like netflix leave us alone this is like when they came out with like their latest show about like just negative like look at the orthodox world so i'm very excited for you to like thank you do it and be yourself because the world more of the world needs to know who you are and what you're doing and why you're doing it but i think like i think yeah i'd be lying if if like negative comments didn't get me down i do think thank god there's a lot more positive comments coming in and i think the best mindset is like listen anyone who says something nasty or mean or critical like it's usually coming from a place that like they themselves are hurt and like i really started to come to this realization like i really feel bad anyone who says like something very mean i'm just like what's happening in their lives that they need to come on and like say something negative about like you know hey we're just trying to make a show that's inspiring people like all these shows you're trying to make your life easier if you're having anything negative to say like i feel bad for you like i really i'm so sorry but like i just try to be like the the opposite of just like i think creating is the best outlet like i don't have time to like go through all the comments like i'm doing five shows i'm doing it with sign i want to do another five shows in the coming two years like i don't have time for all the all the and the talking like i'm just focused on creating and creating and i think that's just the best mindset that's amazing that's amazing mindset i mean you got to have it in this world and and people don't understand uh sometimes some people understand and they're very aware of how negative comments can affect people a lot of people don't understand as you're going up that these things do hurt a little bit like or a lot of it one of the things that has bothered me um in my career has been the amount of and this has only happened obviously and it's been very out there so i don't think oh i hope you're not going to be like uh mates yahoo and you're not going to be like this you know how many comments and different things like that which is i met matas and i have a different take on that than a lot of other people but after being in a position of being um you could call it whatever famous well-known you know i hate to like say those things after myself whatever the case is you're in that spotlight you got people trying to rip you down all day long and and unless you have a great support system and unless a person's really planted in hashem like honestly like really think about it like there are people who are involved in in social media or are political figures or people like that you know who are literally dealing with death threats you know what i'm saying look at a guy like benjamin pills he's literally dealing with death threats people that are that are are out there and they're saying things that are but they're just trying to say truth they're trying to say things that they feel are very very true and honest to themselves and you know how much that even sometimes the people that you're defending and the things that you stand for your values are ripping you down non-stop trying to put you down telling you you're not jewish enough or are you this you're that you're that it's very very hard to go on when when you think you're fighting a good fight and people are mama putting you down non-stop non-stop and thinking like oh wow you know what what happened to that guy he's like do you know what he's going through you know what he has to live to you know how much he has to go through i get on boss i get it from black people i get it from you know jewish people whether they're from or not from i even get people from who are uh uh white supremacist you know i get death threats also you know so it's not one it's one of those things where people don't understand how much you have to go through the more and more that you put yourself out there that more and more people are and you're just trying to help you you're making that platform you yourself are doing something that you're trying to help people right so do you ever feel like um you all also get from within maybe even from in within the community people that are saying oh this is it's such this is garbage it's uh you know what are you what are you wasting your time for do you also get that as well you know it's funny a lot of people before they listen to any podcasts or anything i do it usually comes with like i don't know is this different is this kosher what are you doing right and i'm like just just listen just listen to one episode and then and then when they listen they're like oh okay but like a lot of times a lot of hate just comes from lack of knowledge like it's not yeah they just don't know they're they're not trying to be malicious i think people by nature are good and i have this argument with a lot of people a lot of times like especially people in business they see the worst sides of people and i'm always like people are good people are good they just are you know sometimes they're selfish sometimes they're misguided sometimes they don't know and they're not like evil there are evil people out there but i think most people are not and you know it's funny to say this this uh rabbi eton finer um who's my rav of the white shield he was on the first episode of meaningful people he he's a legend he's gone through so much in his life and he i just spoke to him today he whatever he was i there's there's he might have the biggest heart in claudius like i've seen it from a personal level and just from everything he does whatever he can to help people and there was there was like a year or two ago a big commotion about like the whole hectare and the five towns and he literally was doing whatever he can to help everyone and and just people didn't understand the situation he's like i i do everything and anything to help anyone i never ask of anything i'm just trying to help and unfortunately there's a few dumb people out there being like i don't know he's uh and and and i told him this and i maybe this is gonna be my ticket into omaha it's not that he didn't know this but hopefully i i like maybe brought out this point i told him i said i'm like listen moshe rabbenu the the leader of khloe saw someone who hashem was going to destroy all of the jewish people after they served the void of zara after they they served uh you know an idol and moshe said hashem if you're going to destroy them you have to destroy me and hashem wanted to just take moshe and continue and say oh we're going to make a new jewish nation through you said i'm with them through thick and thin no matter what those same people that moshe put his life on the line and gave up everything for them those same people kept on complaining to moshe you took it out us out of mitzrayim which they were being tortured in and they complained to complain to complain and to me that gives me the most physique like one of no not one of them the greatest leader of the jewish people ever had to go through so much garbage with so many people and he kept on saying i don't care i'm doing the right thing and i know i'm doing the right thing and it doesn't make a difference and like you know that same level i i think all of us should tap into that ability that mosh rabbeinu had of saying i'm doing the right thing people are haters are going to who's going to hate it's fine right haters always going to hate right so let me just do my thing and hashem will help it's amazing amazing you said that because not only does that happen um on a bigger scale than coming from the outside sometimes those things like you mentioned before they have they happen from within and and even the person's internal battles that he has to fight within himself so um just to go back to this a little bit because i want to talk to you a little deeper about the fertility issue and dealing with that i broke hashem i i've never had to deal with it uh you know um i have dealt with you know sending a lot of prayers to hashem saying hashem please can you slow this down a little bit you know what i mean um my bank account as uh anyway so i you know but it's those are my two feelers those each person has his own challenge right can i know our book hashem i'm happy for every single thing hashem gives me but i couldn't imagine being on that on on the other end of that of you know five years and not knowing and all the things that you would have to go through in order to fight through so what kept you through that like me i'm a governor right i'll spend my if i if i'm in i'll stop everything i'll spend the whole day in te filo i literally will throw everything out and go like that's that's i just for me i i understand i think that it's a yiddish thing anyway but i'm just saying that's my thing like is there any one thing that you had to hold on to to be able to pull you through um those five years sure so it's it's like you know obviously my wife gets very uncomfortable whenever i talk about any of this so i'll talk about it from a little afar but um you know i i think i think obviously daviding is always helpful for sure uh but for me personally like those five years they were like beautiful there's always like worry and like who knows what's gonna be but like i got to really get to know my wife my wife really got to know me like we're like you know in retrospect like you know everything's a blessing and it's always a little easier to see it at the end and you know thank god we're able to say that like we're at the end and we have a little you know cutie monster and not a monster nevada you're like running around like right before this he's like running and like ripping everything down and like you know i look back and be like you know what like my wife and i really had an amazing time getting to know each other and i think for me personally it's like you know i think it's relationships that really helped me out obviously relationship me and hashem but like there's also the relationship you know me and my wife and also like me my friends me and my rabbi him like i i don't i really don't know how people navigate life without a mentor without a leader without a rabbi and i have i have i'm uh i go after if i could make anyone my rebbe like i go after them have noah victor review sorely bursting ramaki newburger ravitan finer uh ripped molly wiener robbie center literally that's like one rough gap that's like one percent of my rebate i have so many and i speak i spoke to them all the time and not just about hardships just about like other things navigation life just like trying to they they really helped me focus on like what i should do what we should be doing and um yeah i think i think that's that's a good lesson for anyone in life like like there's people out there that everyone like there's what to learn from everyone that's for sure but people who really care about you and want what's best for you like go to those people like there's enough haters out there go to the people who love you and support you and want to help you like it's it's it's the only way to exist i don't know how people exist otherwise and and there's there's always people out there you can find them you can find it everybody needs a rebbe all right um yes that's my last question last but not least just because i could take your time you know all night long but i don't i i could google for 10 hours it's very enjoyable so my my last question is something that you and i discussed even before we started recording and even now i want to just get to it is authenticity authenticity is so um important um right now especially in a time where where you know i've always said that i've seen that a lot of young kids and this is maybe somewhat of a hot topic that i need to have a conversation about a speak about more later on um have a gravitation to secular music because they feel like the person is being real and they want to hear the deepest realest pain because they have that real pain our people you know get into inspirational speakers and start to like most of the things that people get into they're finding that there's a certain authenticity coming from and they're drawn after it right where sometimes we lack in the firm world just be straight up about it i was trying to start recently one most powerful things that i heard recently was there was a um there was a robinson um at one of the places i was staying i went to go do a shopatone i was speaking somewhere and um and in chicago recently um but it was a very very powerful thing she said to me she asked me do you know a a rabbi yoni fisher i said yeah of course i know i know rabbi fisher big on rabbi fisher um shout out to fishers by the way um but she said she said he's absolutely amazing he's my new review i'm like what was so powerful about rabbi fisher that like you know he has beautiful shirom online but she i think she tuned into one of his missing light yoshim that he gives in the path of the just and she said that he said over there that i take therapy you don't think i get therapy and she was like it was just so polarizing for her because it was like somebody's being real somebody's being real somebody's not you know sweeping things on the rug like we don't have things everybody and we don't understand how important it is for people to know that we all got stuff and and we need to be real about these things we don't gotta wear a t-shirt and and be happy about it but but we but once a person starts speaking you know why so many people spend time you know i start asking it's so crazy over the last few years i've been asked to so many people how did you learn that how did you learn that and you know how many people told me youtube i go to youtube youtube i go to youtube or whatever the case that's robbie youtube it's the best behind review anyway so and all the same coverage but i that's right but but but did he say he said something the hit is somebody's so being so real and so authentic with themselves it could be life-changing game-changing so my question is what do you have to say for young up-and-coming podcasters and different things on that just even on the subject of authenticity um what would you give over to other people who want to go in the same direction as yourself sure so it's funny you mentioned this on the first episode of inspiration for the nation i had rabbi daniel kalish and he he is king of being authentic he literally said on it he's like when i get a letter and it says mr daniel kalish he's like i wish it didn't bother me but it bothers me he's like i'm read by danielle kalish and like to hear him say that i'm like come on like who care and he's like no but like this is something that bothers me it shouldn't i want to be above it but like i'd be lying to myself if i didn't say it bothered me and i think this idea like he said this he's like the younger generation is calling out the saying like we are craving authenticity the older generation of just like you know whether they went you know their parents went through the holocaust or not like you got to just do everything in life because you got to just do it right now this younger generation all of us going on youtube and spotify and podcasts like we're craving that real authentic feeling so yeah if you're if you're trying to start a podcast or you're trying to get into music or whatever it is like just be yourself you don't like there's a path in life for you and you got to just find it and when you do it's the best thing ever and you don't need to fake it to you make it in that way like just be yourself and it takes some time like you know i know myself i'm impatient like we want to get there we want to figure things out it just takes some time and just just like try to talk to yourself and like what really makes me happy what really makes me tick and you know i i see that i i think you're you're you yourself are so authentic and i've been a guest on a few podcasts and i love this conversation because you are being yourself and i know i could be myself i know whenever i interview someone i tell them anything you don't want to talk about we don't need to talk about like i'm not like i'm here to make you feel comfortable and i think that makes a great interview because when we're comfortable we share the most and you got to do that with yourself when you're comfortable with yourself you share the most out of yourself the most potential with the world right amazing listen yaakov it was amazing having you on amazing speak to you now i got you back for getting me now i got you back so listen i wish you success in in living the time and inspiration from the nation and everything else that should come to follow you should only have more barack obama more barack obama and uh more children running around amazing because i'm seeing right now if you're at home it's looking just a little bit too neat right now so no it's still like a little after uh passover so i'm by my parents so this is my mother's doing my mother's garden she's watching my baby now but yeah yeah no i'm made to mess your homes with your man okay i wish you messier home for for all the right reasons and all the panasonic to have as many cleaners as you need to clean up after them thank you so much for coming on up thank you this is a real joy thank you [Music]