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Yet another shocking video from inside United Talmudical Academy in Curious Joel. Anti-abuse activists leaking the surveillance tape showing the same office, the same man who police describe as the principal again with a young boy between his legs appearing to kiss him. According to some on social media, this time also giving the boy candy at the end of their encounter. Actions that have prompted a joint sex abuse investigation. However, others within the extremely religious and private hidic community are now defending the principal who's also a rabbi. You know this rabbi and you do not feel as though there's anything inappropriate in these videos. He's not going to hurt the kids. His life is for the kids. Joseph Waldman says the rabbi seen on tape is well known and respected within the ultraorththodox community for having what he calls a fatherly approach with kids. This person is such a loving person that instead of taking out the belt and beating up the child rather give an extra kiss for an extra show of love. It's not just as soon as as I was able to locate the video and see it, I looked it up, okay, again and again and again and I made many inquiries into my mind as experienced member of this community for so many years and uh as a a father of many kids and grandkids. kids and great grandkids very involved and knowing a lot of the members and knowing specifically that principle that you were talking about. So I I went through it with a fine tooth com and I looked at it again and again after hearing all the reports which the streets in Uendo which goes around and uh which I saw a lot of um speculations going around. I came to the conclusion not as Bor Deutsch said or the other man who said it because they are they are just for revenge. They are uh people who went off out of the schools, who went out of our communities, and in every opportunity they have, they're trying to to black our eyes in the in the secular world. It's not an uncommon issue for teachers to sort of be navigating how much physical contact is okay, what's acceptable, what crosses lines because you don't know what a child brings to the table in terms of their own history with regard to touch and boundaries. And what I was thinking is important to communicate is okay, we don't know what happened in that situation, but what can parents do? have conversations with their children so that they can effectively communicate about what's going on with them if they feel uncomfortable with physical touch or someone sort of overstepping a boundary. And for parents to be really open if your child does come to you, listen, you know, make them feel comfortable and secure having the conversation and then follow up and be relentless in following up if you think that there's something going on that isn't appropriate. Okay. All right. You saw the first video, right? Yes. Okay. So, now here's the second video. Can I get a copy of this? Sure. Yeah. I'll forward it to you. I spoke with Bory uh Bory Duch Dutch. I don't know how to pronounce his last name. the whistleblower on all this originally. And he said at the end of this video, it looks as though the uh rabbi uh puts his hand down the boy's pants. That's what they That's what you say. That's what Bory is saying. You know, I looked at it. I mean, it appears to be inappropriate closeness certainly. U but you know, I don't see him specifically touching the boy's genitals or I don't see the boy touching his genitals. um you know definitely is questionable with the closeness. So for whom did you get it? Do did they tell you who it was? Uh yeah, it's someone from within the acidic community concerned a concerned member of the community. U staff members reportedly leaked it from inside the school and they've reportedly been fired. He gets closer to the boy. This one's a threem minute video, so it's almost over now. Let me give some candy. And this is where uh Borie says to look Is this Mr. Felbomb you're talking about? Right. Um Klein. No, I fel the teacher who gave you the clip. Oh, I I don't I can't release who specifically gave me the the information. Mhm. Did the DA look at it already? This one? I don't know. I don't know if the other one did they Yeah, they that one they have. They did have Yeah. Well, that's what's prompted the sex abuse investigation. And did did they clear him? Not yet. It's just under investigation as of yesterday. How long did they get the DA get? Who knows how long how long it'll take them? They reportedly got a complaint. I'd like to do the interview over here. So, we're not shooting. Sure. Is that possible? Do you mind? Yeah, I could do it. Swap sides. So, that's it now. And then the boy leaves. Okay. Do me a favor. Yep. You have WhatsApp? I do. I'll forward it to you. What can I, you know, Um just as a a long time long a long time member of the community which I was u for many years I was a distant leader in the community. Um just going to mic you up real quick. Okay. Do you have an inside pocket? Yes. Thank you. So longtime leader and activist. Yes. So Joseph, what I'll ask for him, just make sure we don't see that wire. What I'll ask you uh first is if you could just talk to us about the videos. So if you can give us your thoughts, you know, about the videos and then we'll go from there. any concerns or you may have Well, I I um I got concerned when I found out there's a video and I was very anxious to to find it and see it. So as soon as as I was able to locate the video and it I looked it up again and again and again and I made many inquiries into my mind as experienced member of this community for so many years and uh as a a father of many kids and grandkids and great grandkids uh very involved and knowing a lot of the members and knowing specifically that principle that you were talking about. So I I went through it with a fine tooth comb and I looked through it again and again after hearing all the reports which the streets in the endo which goes around and uh which I saw a lot of um speculations going around. I came to the conclusion not as Bor Deutsch said or the other man who said it because they are they are just for revenge. They are uh people who went off out of the schools who went out of our communities and in every opportunity they have they're trying to to black our eyes in the in the secular world. And so I disregarded what I said. I did hear what they said. I did exactly hear and and look through every details of the film and every details of the story. Though the interaction between the rabbi and the students is inapprop is appropriate. Well um see see let me tell you something. When I grew up and my kids grew up, when a kid was in a situation that's they had they had um done something bad. What used to be done is they used to take us into the principal and the principal took out a good stick and gave us a lesson that this will never happen again. And this was one of the lessons. Other lesson was expelling the student for a week, a few days, or having the per the parents uh come down. What's a good stick? A stick. They used to have a uh a belt to to to like corpal punishment. But you do understand that that's not appropriate. But this has been done away a long time ago. And they realized that this going in in in a in a positive manner is is more effective effective. So you feel going so what approach his teach so this this this rabbi as I know for many years that this school will not do harm to my kids. Are you comfortable with his interaction with the children you've seen in the so now I want to come to that particular point the particular point which I have asked many around in the school I contacted many teachers in that school I counted many parents uh many uh students who already graduated and got married discussing this his kind of behavior all explained to me that this person is such a loving person that instead of taking out the palatin, beating up the child, he'd rather give an extra kiss or an extra show of love to feel that the kid that he's not there to as an enemy of the kid. He is there as a as a a uh a friendly um responsible parents who want the kid to behave. What about the child in the first video who appears to be very uncomfortable being in that close proximity and tries to pull away multiple times? It's pos it's probably true. It's probably true that the kid has been uncomfortable, but when the the teacher kids took out a belt and beat him up, they're a lot worse comfortable. Was very uncomfortable. Of course, when I take my kids and I take them to me and I start to to give them a earful of what they did, how bad they did, of course, they're going to be uncomfortable listening to that. This is not unusual. And a kid is very uncomfortable listening again and again tell them you beat up that kid, you ruined the kid's life and you ruined your parents. Your parents is going to be sorry. Of course, the kid is going to try to shy away because it's uncomfortable. None of the places that I saw that which in this time of world it's very very obvious when somebody is doing something bad what their hands movements are and what their body movements are. None of that was in there. So you don't feel as though sexually driven whatsoever. Absolutely not. I feel that this person deserves credit under his authority. They don't beat up the kids anymore. It used to be they used to beat up everyday kids more again and again for everything they did bad and that's how they tried to threaten the kids. But by going in that direction that this rabbi is doing, we have a very good future that none of the kids are going to be be um traumatized from these beatings and this abuse. Rather, the kids will always remember that this teacher loved him even though he did bad things and he did it to him in a nice way after explaining to them and warned him time again for 10 minutes. Do you feel it's inappropriate to have a child between your legs to be kissing them when they don't want to be kissed? The only the only time that I feel a thing which is inappropriate is when you do when you do something with that closeness. But if you do in the right thing the closeness like you are talking into his heart explaining to him the worst thing which could happen to his family by his behavior and showing him an affection and showing him love by giving him I don't know if I don't I don't know for sure if he really kissed him or not but even though if they would have kissed him this is not an inappropriate thing for a person who has a history and People will witness all the kids who grow up for there's thousands of kids that graduated under him all will tell you that this person is a loving person and never ever that any of the thousands of kids I was I am between the the people I have a lot of WhatsApp groups I have a lot of people involved I'm a very social media type and we want to hear both sides so it's you know if there are people that feel as know that this the question is if the question is if if the media is trying to jump to conclusion by listening to someone who was have an agenda against us has a agenda against the fac and the other one. Do you do you have a responsibility to place the stories on both sides? Borid never was in this community and never was in the village of Kir and nothing to do with the village of Kir. My kids will graduate from this rabbi and I have all my kids and my grandkids. I have already 50 grandkids and I have all the families which is surrounding to the community and let me tell you something. I'm not a f rabbi of this rabbi. I fought against them in the courts. I wanted a conviction against this rabbi and I'm not a fant. But when he's right, you have to give them the credit. here is 100% right. The teacher the teachers 99% of the teachers admire this dispensible. Of course, I could I could tell you in my own feeling, in my own investigations that there was a rabbi who was troubled and as in all the secular schools when there's a teacher, the principal has a problem with and the principal wants to get rid of him, that teacher will have an agenda against the principal to try to tear him down whatever he could. Do you feel as though he's being targeted? I feel being targeted in Definitely he is being this this person who put on this video had an agenda. It didn't have any interest for the children. Absolutely not. Because if he would have had it an agenda it wouldn't have an agenda. The first thing if I would be in his place I would go immediately to the rabbi. There is a responsible rabbi here. responsible principles and principal um uh alumi and responsible authorization the community who who are worrying about this things he would have had he would have done I would have done that going to those responsible and showing this film look as soon as I put a hands on such a films I would immediately contact go over to the rabbi and go over to the head princ they're claiming that they did go to within you know the the secular community and that they felt as though it was swept under the rug within the religious community. Well then because number one I I the way I I understood it the way I found out this is not true. I did not go first to the rabbitical to the religious community to alert them. This is not true. I verify that this is not true. Number two, if the religious communities understand and they saw which I believe I saw and they realized and the history of this person of this principle and by investigating their side came out that this was nothing wrong. He should have shut his mouth out and say maybe I was wrong. So again, you know this rabbi and you do not feel as though there's anything inappropriate in these videos. I know this rabbi for 50 years. I know him personally. I know his parents as in-laws. I know his wife. I know his kids. I have kids who went to the school under his authority. There is no way in the world that this person to be others than he is a respectful person. Okay. Thank you. I'm glad to be back with you. Thank you very much. I'm just going to get one rehearsal and then we're good. You don't mind? So, I mean it certainly is very interesting, you know, and I'm glad that we were at least able to, you know, share that part of the story because I mean it could be valid. We don't know. We have to let authorities judge. Your job is to air every side. That's right. If you're adding every side, right, then you're doing the right thing. Of course, the only concern that anyone to talk with us. So, it's it's wonderful. You know, we wouldn't uh have that opportunity to share this side if you weren't willing to speak with us. Okay. So, that's the reason that's the reason I when you called me, I I changed my mind and I said, "Yes, I will speak to you." Great. I'm out of politics. I'm in business and I'm I'm I'm not in politics but I am involved. I am involved. I have everyday people coming to me for issues. I have a committee which is committee for the well-being of Kol. I don't know if you remember that I went to the Supreme Court. I gave to the Supreme Court and the Mikkeis brief under my organization and I'm involved every day with issues which a lot of people having. Sure. And have seeking out my advice and help but I'm not going above the radar over here. I figured you called me. I did not call you. you called me and I figured I'm going to have to do it because people to be able to have a right to know both sides of the story. And I appreciate that you're giving the opportunity for the people to hear both sides rather than to smear them up and just hearing from people who who is trying to take the revenge course of their own families and own community which I grew up because they always share any side of the story if someone's willing to talk with me. Thank you so much. Thank you.