Kosher Gelatin? Coca Cola Part 3

Yesterday in a raid bite that we refer to as Coca-Cola part two, we discussed the history of the kashras of gelatin and to a much lesser degree glycerin. At first glance, gelatin and glycerin, which are in that they're both animal non-coosher animal byproducts, you would think would be problematic because there's a general principle to anything that comes from a non-cooser animal is non-cooser. And based on that very very broad 20,000 ft view this whole discussion should really be dead on arrival. Stating that we mentioned that there are two very strong to potentially be make. Number one, the Raama inv [snorts] discusses a case where somebody took the cave of the abism of an animal that was salted to the point that it got completely dried out. At this point, it's it's something that a person would not eat. says the Rama that it's to go and be together with and you're not going to be of the Rama is but this is something that's brought down in the by the Rama it would seem then that there's an idea that if you have that come to the point where right now they're in that in of itself would be a to say that maybe it would be M. Now we mentioned that the ina said a very important caveat the not such fine print in terms of understanding this Rama the said that the raka with regards to and the reason is because that ka that's being now with the that's creating the woke up in the morning it was really regular kosher food which means then that at the time that it's becoming it's already in a state where it's could be it's then and only then that is it's not going to be a problem. If however you would have something that came literally from something that's which woke up in the morning it was already a problem. Now it became could be the fact that it later became any is not enough to be from its is a says that it could prevent it from becoming but it's not as to say that if it's already it's not going to be the is also in the world of inact Anduda went to prove that we pus like that ra we puscan like that. And it's for that reason said that this Ram is a very important Ram but you have to use it responsibly. You can only invoke this to the extent that the that is maybe becoming is in a state of but if you have something that was for sure and now it became at that point at that point you wouldn't say that now it's going to be but we mentioned that despite the fact that and issued the that he issued But [snorts] it goes down amongst the as a and is definitely to be number one because the Mishna believe that the is not like that based his whole cha on in but rather like the ra which is the raj and the both pasant like and you find already that predates ate the such as the was a contemporary of the night and later a lot of held that as much as the said what he said but as it relates it's not something that we necessarily have to take on but here's the point the point is there is an idea based on be it with a whole that says that it could be once becomes at that point this is not something that's going to be an issue anymore well if that's the case as it relates to gelatin And as it relates to glycerin, these are foods that were for sure once part of a non-cooser animal, but in the process of becoming gelatin and glycerin, in the process of becoming commercially viable, they certainly go through a phase where they're and based on the there would be a That's the first to say that even though you would think what do you mean it's made of pig skins why are we even having this conversation the terret is because is to potentially say that it's going to be the second is the rush and parates quotes who said uh with regards to something that was commercially very much used back in the day and that is there was a certain product called musk. Some people ate it, some people used it as an odor, a fragrance, a cologne, but musk was something that was very popular and it came from a non-coosher animal, the musk deer, but it came from a a non-coosher animal. And there was a big tuml whether or not you're allowed to eat, you're allowed to even smell this musk or maybe not. And Rabina issued a very important sack. He said that it's okay. And the reason is because from the time that the musk becomes commercially viable, it goes through a complete alteration to the point that it doesn't anymore resemble what it was when it was inside the gof of the non-coosher animal. and said there's a concept of where we have a right to say that if something came from but it was altered to the point that it no longer resembles it somehow it's it uproots itself from its and we're no longer going to look at it as that and it's for that reason this musk is something that's going to be we mentioned shock value we mentioned that if you take a look at the in the para of The shaman amishka in parasisa where one of the simon of the shaman amishka was the murderer. It was also one of the 11 that was inside the rab brings that what was the of murderer? It was musk. And then he brings from that said what? They put musk on the misbehad. If a person in his basement would go and try to replicate the so how in the world could you tell me that included in that was this musk that comes from a a non-coosher animal, a proverbial gelatin? It's not even something you can fathom. How could it be? And the Rambam gives a little bit of an but we mentioned that really this of included in that is the Rambam himself quotes that it's the Rambam and one of the people that had a major issue with this was on that he's based on the he doesn't but he essentially says the and even though it's true it originated from but right now it's already kosher and if that's the case there's no reason there's no reason for this to be problem. The point is as it relates to gelatin and again glycerin, there's no question they go through such rigorous chemical and acidic treatment that it would be extremely highly reasonable and rational to assume that the ofen as it relates to musk would apply to this as well. So it's true it comes from but at the end of the day right now it's kados and if right now it's kadosh is based on that you would think that would be a very to be so we have two that we talked about yesterday that would lend itself to have maybe a conversation of a that at least allows us to sit at the table and have an intellectually honest debate whether or not maybe there's mock to today that [snorts] what we thought is dead on arrival gelatin and glycerin t on arrival maybe really is is not as posh as we thought number one because even if you look at it as and even if you look at it as a but at the end of the day it's and if it's well that in of itself would be a reason for it to be additionally it could be that we don't even see it as because being that is. So we look at it as a new entity the fact that it originated from and even though but once it's at that point we're going to view it already different that was really yesterday's sh a tiny recap to segue [snorts] into today's another big that the can talk about if you go through the in specifically of gelatin is that a lot of gelatin was made from the bones of animals. And there's a big shaw in the poin whether or not of a non-coosher animal or not meaning are you also not eat how do we view the that we know [laughter] but the question is as it relates to the are or are the truth is that if you take a look in the and this is in this test these are literally the sug that we were learning in the last couple of weeks. So this is says if you have a that has meat on it and there's also bones that fell into a hater says when you put them on the balance sheet you put them on the side goes without saying says A says the as relates to the the inside that already of that is the what about the but says that as it relates to that is not only don't they count as in the world of but to the contrary we put them on the other side they actually count as says the There are those that are there people that are not to be together with the stating because really the is what the said and that is that of are really at first glance it would seem to be an that of are not even user there's no is in the world to go ahead and to eat the of an stating that it's really really not so and the reason is because the in I'm sorry the rails peralid says that it goes through the different parts of an animal that are in the event that this animal is and he says as follows va Right? If somebody eats or you eat from a be a non-cultural animal says false is in all those situations even though what you did is you're not going to get malus because they're not. So it says to Raam, I have a list of body parts of non-coosher animals. Be it a veil trait, which is a kosher animal bot, or be it a legitimate bonafide non-coser animal, pun intended, bonafide as it relates to a non-coosher animal where all these things are not included in the Iser as it relates to malus, but at the same time they're going to beer. Again, what's the list? the all these things says the even THOUGH THEY'RE NOT GOING to get malus it's the says it's awesome for a person to go ahead and really ask at first glance it seems to be a stereo which usually follows the of the where the says that when it comes to of the are on the side and they're actually put all the inside to go ahead and be which would imply that of are if they count as that means they're 100% muts that when it comes to but at the same time it's going to be which by the way could mean but for sure means how could the on the one hand who goes say that that is yet at the same time yet at the same time there's a that says that if somebody would go ahead and eat that at that point it would be us. So if you go through the there are two mahal to answer this kasha there's more than two but there's two one that the said is that not all at were created equally there [snorts] are that are mut 100% to eat even if it comes from a non-coser animal or from ano where but at the same time it's going to be what's the Are these of the or if they completely dry they have nothing in them they're just a dry bone [snorts] and it's that the test was referring to when the Ram says that but he's talking about that are soft atoms that are on some level a little bit edible and because they're somewhat edible so it's for that reason those are going to be also and that's what Ram was referring to it's not a steer the other primary mahal in the to answer this is that from the fact that says that the even of the count on the side that's a that when the saidur the it did not include the samus. So what then does the rama mean? The ra held the rael that the reasons are considered mut is because nobody eats and because nobody eats them it doesn't have a kash of so therefore if you drop it in a kad I don't see it as I just see it as something that has the ability to absorb. So therefore I count it on the heter side. However if a person takes an he bites into it I enjoy the bone right if you're that kind of guy. Oh, so if you enjoy the bone by you going ahead and biting into it, you're gave it of right that's the buzz word. So to the extent that you go ahead and you're recognizing this as something that it's really not that's something that in very often you have the power you have the ability to do and it's for that reason in that case if you go ahead and eat it it's going to be so in the case where it just fell into a there was never an if there was never an a so then is and therefore it counts on the hector side of the ledger. If however you took a bite into it, that's what the Ram's talking about. So now you were just oh to the extent that you went ahead and you so in that situation it's going to be different in that situation it's it's going to be a in these two would be gelatin. So gelatin as we said very often was made from our meaning forget about everything else. FORGET FORGET LET'S GO BACK TO ITS ORIGIN. LET'S GO BACK TO ITS ORIGIN. the underlying these are they user or are these it's really in this [snorts] if you hold that the reason that says that is because the and the were not talking about the same so when the says he meant and when the passing he was talking about well if that's the case gelatin was made from and by the way even though the gelatin was made from could be originated as rais but once it becomes at that point it's for sure and for sure it would be included in the test but the bottom line is so It's evous is going to be M. If however the between the is not versus but the is was it an or was it not an so then there's a mim to say that if I'm taking these and I'm manufacturing them I'm pulling out the collagen I'm literally processing them in a way because I want to use them. So could be or at the very least that's an and to the extent that that would be considered an so then alapon would be but the bottom line is that this was another huge talking point in the specifically of gelatin which very often was made from the and there there's an an additional a third reason in terms of the way we're keeping score for why maybe the gelatin would be motor and that is forget forget the fact of it could be there's a a new time a new reason why and that is because if it's made from assuming these have had no buser on them no skin on them and they're they're 100% dry when it comes to is a special and being that there's a special when it comes to again totally in a little bit of raid but at the very least you can always turn to the simic that says it's going to be okay. So again, what seemed like a conversation that should be done then on arrival and I'm pretty confident that if you ask the man on the street is gelatin kosher or not kosher he's going to say right he's going to he's not even going to want to have a conversation with you but really really there's three that you can go to to at the very least have an open honest intellectual conversation number one Number two as quoted by the rash in number three and also to an extent ina and that is that [snorts] are going to be mut okay so what's what's the bottom line I think we did a lot of leg work did a lot of so what's the bottom when the piskim started seeing this shila surface back in the day, how exactly did they go about it? So really every good schmoo on the topic of gelatin has to start with. So the great great villager aliv all the yeshivas and all the whole litfisher world literally relied on 100% wrote several truas on the topic of gelatin and you may be shocked to hear this was a very vocal a very adamant make when it came to gelatin no strings attached no bishakm He held it was 100% m just to get a little bit of a feel of the way went about the sugatan. So one of the chas is in gimmel it's in simil it's oer was asked about this new patent gelatin that's being made from and he has a whole opening paragraph in terms of the chemical processing [snorts] that it's going through and the sh the person who sent the shil to he thought it should be mut so writes back to him he says but He says that what you said I agree with 100%. So what did he say? He right away made a beline to the and he said what do you mean it's based on that it should be and writes back to him again this is all what the is saying but he has the likes it he says to the added he said I think that when it comes to the ones that are made from that because that's what was described over here which I know they are then for sure there's no right there's no question in the world that in that case it's going to be okay that as it relates to making it from there's no question in the world that this in of itself is is not going to be an issue one of the that addresses in this cha he says maybe there should be a of maybe once you decide that you want these maybe it should be okay is not getting involved in the this between the and the but at the end of the day throws out just as a unto itself maybe there should be enough said he says that even though there is a concept of that's if you eat it as it is. But if you're going to just take a little component of it and put it into a and even then you're not putting it because you want to eat it. Gelatin doesn't taste like anything. You're using it because you want it to gel. That's literally what it's for. It's a in a situation like that. It doesn't even fall into says to you 100%. There's another This one's in also in this is in in now this is already a little bit different because over here the gelatin quote unquote wasn't being made from ats. It was being made from art. Even though that Rambam through threw and together but is actually a little bit more than is but the bottom line is this was being made from in which case it would be even a little bit more either way. So the again talks to and it's he seems to know that is a big in fact [snorts] writes to him he says he says I see that you already saw my say for and you know my take and my opinion as it relates to as it relates to this whole of gelatin. Now one of the things that brings up in this chuva that he doesn't mention in the previous chuva is that there's a rate if you take a look at the shock on that the shock says to me you shouldn't be on that it's a so based on that the whole might be on arrival because there's a shock again the shock doesn't say it doesn't work but the shock says don't be so good don't be so find kosher jello or kosher marshmallows or kosher ice cream. I don't know. But based on that, maybe it's not something that's going to be okay. But says that don't worry about that shak don't worry about that shak. He says, you know why? Cuz take a look at the chuva and the piska brings from and from that the only reason the shak said it should be something that you should be nisarin is because he was worried what would be if the ca wasn't 100% dried out. So then it would come but said in all these gelatin cases it would anyways never be because it's always going to be bottle bats and being that it's never going to come. So already had that caveat on the that said you don't have to be worried and based on that this is not something that I'm going to worry about says last paragraph he says what about you're probably wondering I'm in all my trous referring to that and I'm even getting ADDED A SHOCK BUT WHAT ABOUT SAID IT ONLY WORKED BY WHERE THE CA was mut so once it's Gary can't become awesome. But if something was awesome that we spoke about for a half hour yesterday was already brought from other. And he says besides by other even but he says besides over here we already had [laughter] chemically it was already altered. I think in this situation even the is going to be you know why because it's So I'm telling you is kosher. So really the mak as it relates to being on the kulas of gelatin was none other than the great liter po and that is another one of the very important m in the sugatin was the guy of London Talmud brisker another one of the great great litfisher the author author of the on theft labski he too wrote a chuva now it's interesting the chuva that abramsky wrote was written to rebel of valdenber the alazar and it's printed in the of now he starts off as follows it's very interesting he says it's bured to me that the gelatin that is made from is not a new creation that you could say that it's right that it's something completely new. The gelatin because the way I see gelatin said is that really it's included in the originally all these chemicals that are added to it. I don't think this is part of says because in my opinion the way I see the gelatin is is that whatever is there the collagen it was always in the atoms and really all the chemicals are doing is just separating. They're not transforming. They're not creating. They're not physically or chemically altering. What they're doing is just separating. They're taking something that was bel to speak and being m with it. So now all of a sudden it's not going to be part and parcel says stating that stating that I think it's anyways and he goes ahead and he writes a whole says even though I don't think the is over here he didn't get involved in the but as it relates to that one of the three that we mentioned I don't think is a but at the same time as far as I know the gelatin being made from now again not all gelatin was made from but a lot of it was and the ones that are made for and the reason is because and then he writes a whole langu and the upshot of the tru is is that it's that again he has a whole pimple but the way he answers the cash is it's not fair because talking about and was talking about and is made from and based it's an it's going to be and don't and he has again a whole tr on this but the bottom line is he comes out. Then at the end he says that you know I'm just a little bit nervous because I'm hearing that you know a lot of people think that it's really and they can't fathom they just don't understand how something like this could possibly be mut and they're making a big tommo. This was going on in America big time and these rabbis they're corrupt and they're on the take and someone's paying them all. Right? was a lot of this stuff that was going on back in the day or don't be sham [laughter] but the bottom line is he says so based on that it could be there's like a to be m he says but you want to know what I think as far as gelatin goes it's 100% there's no question in the world I think that this is something that's going to be m another chuva that I think that's worth referencing is a chuva that was written by hagod the gid of yushlayi pesak frank and this is printed in shuva It's ina it's in Siml. The name of the chuva is gelatin. So this is ice cream that they mix together with gelatin and the if you go through his chuva made by the way listen to the shil that was even asked. So talking about different ice creams that are sold and these ice creams are made with the dust a gelatin. right this where does it come from the skeleton it comes from literally I mean this is the question that was presented it comes from the and he goes on to explain how they convert it from a literally literally a pork chop all of a sudden to suddenly going into your kosher ice cream it's mindboggling but this is the way the the goes ahead and he sets it up and says darvi To me, I'm going to tell you what it's this is the way I see the To me there's a in he talks about the became 100% and he says it's even though the says I'm not worried about that but the bottom line is that's TO ME WHAT IT'S my promise is the hell that you can't be on that cuz said it's only true by the which is so now that it's maybe you can't become a something that was like the so maybe has no way of becoming even if later becomes said really it's up to you. you want to be I'm not so comfortable saying that because really it COMES DOWN TO THIS are you going to take on or you going to go like many other by the way one of the pkim that a lot of the pkim held was they had a from we didn't talk about that yesterday but it could be the is also on the ledger of which would bolster that other side big time but the bottom line is it's really it's a big and it's not something that I'm so comfortable getting involved in and then at the end he says but I would just look into one more thing and that is you know this whole of is where it's to the extent that it becomes that's then it's already less he says to me it sounds like this goes through a phase where it's not even and to the extent that it's not even going to be [snorts] you know at that point I think it's going to be even more kitic. So he says I don't know I'm not in a position now to have the time to look into this but he tells the find out and he says you can do it with orv go ahead and find out see if a dog would eat it. If a dog would not eat it then it would be and then even this is a whole another angle that even would be bottom line is again was approaching it with again assuming you're willing to go away from the but the bottom line is again the idea is just to get a little bit of a time what's going on was all in all incl Brms be mitad the was his big to be which would only help you for the gelatin that's made from [snorts] thought that you know if you're willing to go to that would be a and in his mind it's this is in which case this is 100% going to be m but the bottom line is we just mentioned three of the biggest of all time that for sure had a as it related to the entire Sugya of gelatin. The truth is if you go through all the piskim you'll be shocked you'll be stunned at how many pkim held that gelatin was mut. It's [snorts] a hall of fame list of you know fast forward to more contemporary times the definitive tru that was written on this topic was written by and that's the we referenced yesterday it's in anyone that's interested in being on this topic should go through that from the first word until the very last word and one thing that you're going to see over there is is that was and the way he sets up the chu is really the way we set up these raid bites. We plagiarize it's the way we set up these rape bites and that is there's three to go ahead and to be number one there's the Ramon number two this and number three this and in the world of it was check check he held that all three were 100% m everything is m he held we don't pass in like four pages proving that we don't go like this is no the world he brought from that all went with this and as far as goes it was to him that is not a problem by the way one of the ters that says that's so sharp he says that you know as it relates to there are people that say how could you be based on the test it's says awesome how in the world could you be make on that it's that says that it's awesome right it's a remember somebody said two different and maybe that's says he says it's to me he said I don't think the right is there anyone who understood the psychology of the better than in the last uh 100 years I don't think anybody so says let me tell you what the was doing he wasn't passing like the ra he knew the ra's not like him he was passing like the rajba he says the raj says that are always mutur but the but the rabb says yeah he says everybody made a choice because everybody thought that the always goes with the rama was a ste and nobody wanted to take on this without recognizing there's a ra and that's why there were so many and a lot of these ended up and based on that you're going to have a problem all these different HEIST THE ra never the never meant the rabb the and then he has in parentheses a whole we're ready the knew that very often the meant the not the is not just a gelatin this is all the but the bottom line is he never meant the meta and he said if that's THE CASE IT'S AN I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT so you're going to go connect it the bottom line is goes he's make all over the place and this is the last line of the Now he says of Valdenberg that Alzar he was also and there's a Gillian here that was written by this is a little number and the last line of the tru this writing who's the Evan Who's Evan Israel? It's he was also make. So you have in more contemporary times and you have the titer in contemporary times and you have Dian Fisher in contemporary times and they will all make an incredible and ka is a flatout. It's an all-encompassing all-inclusive under so it's it's a it's a dappella right because no one in the world there's no mainstream cautious organization that would even entertain giving a hash there's no in the world of controversial kash topics this is the a voiceky [snorts] pes I mean for sure because that's an all-encompassing and then there's again there's a whole list of of who's who of that held with and fast forward to and they all went ahead and were so what's going on of it? How did gelatin become such a problem? Where did it come from? Where did it come from? So the short answer is the short answer is you know where it came from? It came from two American that were very very gelatin it was fee and it was and they held very very strongly that gelatin is aer and it's because of that that the went ahead and they were and by the way these of go back are 1950s 1960s they go back a very very long time I mean this is uh you know early stage American jewelry in terms of you know the way it developed to where it is today and already at that time at that time you know when Mosha was writing chas that people said he didn't really mean but he was only doing it because you know of the American Jews it was at that kufa that was being machma on on gelatin and raarin was machelin and it's really based on that that the American cautious organizations go full stop and say that it's but the question is why right I mean how you make sense of it at the end of the day there's three very compelling arguments to be made to say that it should uh it should be mut so why have such a surah right I mean where's where's it coming from so let's see I mean as it relates to the in so you could always argue that there's right you could always say there's and being that there's so based on that based [snorts] on that we're going to suggest we're going to argue that it's not so posit so That's that was they held that they didn't want to go to lakehuda that was willing to go to lakehud the marsh was willing to go to lakehuda pes is open to the possibility of going to lakehuda fisher this willing to go to lakehuda and this is what it boiled down to no jello for you because I'm not willing to go to lakehuda is that what's going on over here is that what's going on over the nemesis if you go through the truth for raosha and by the [snorts] Right. Ramosa never wrote a full chuvang gelatin. There's some hack on this, but Raosha never you have to speak to the Ramos never wrote a proper chuva. He throws it in and I saw three places where he just like oh by the way but you would have thought that I mean we have chuvas on cherry cask and mish everything that was very important at that time. There was a reason the y claimed did not want to write a chuva against gelatin. Again this is be way beyond the scope of this year but the bottom line is is that but in those tru there was a said and really in his spoke about this truth as well. is a very very big. The story is that the whole premise of the in is that if you have that becomes there's mo to say that now it's going to be mut. What happens if that goes from now it's again? What happens if whatever had happened to it that caused it to be was suddenly undone? Would that change anything or would that not change anything? So the truth is with said that it's still going to be mut of Aaron has a whole they didn't want to be and based on that it could be this whole doesn't really start because even though it's true it started being but now it's an ingredient. So now it is so right now it's so it could be based on that it would be you would have to treat it like in fact adds one I'll read it inside and this is in if you would have that became and now it's going to be used as an ingredient. I wouldn't be mate. Why not? So he'll say maybe no it doesn't say because why does it become it's you're making any it's not because it's sat in your backyard you know through a a boiling hot summer June July August and now all of a sudden no one's going to eat it. No, YOU DID IT. YOU DID IT CUZ YOU WANTED it to be. So now you should be able to use it in a way where it's going to be in a situation like that. This was Ramosh's greatest far and and really and they both felt very stark that even though at one point it was only but now all of a sudden it became again and being that it became once it's that it becomes at that point it's not what about what about right that's maybe already a different thing has to do with right we spoke about the distinction between those two what about at this point it's a it's a kadash so shati I didn't see this inside but that the said that it could be not because was talking about a case where the kadash was into a mut went from being a a to like the baser that fell into dash so it started off baser and now it's dvash but to the extent that this new thing that it became is not an inherently dut it's I don't know it's the same nervous it's it looks different it was chemically altered but it didn't proactively murish become a dam. So maybe in that situation it's uh still going to retain its sister. Maybe you're not going to say we had who said his reason why he doesn't think this by the way we mentioned that is in the titzer has he says he doesn't hear it at all. He says I can't imagine that the chemicals and the acid that's added to gelatin is any less than whatever happened to the musk in the case of but there is maybe and as it relates to that as it relates to that here the the held very very strongly they held very strongly to be just read to you from this is also in this is the last paragraph Fore and being that it's got and everything is going to bear and his mister felt very strongly that way. It's actually interesting where Ysef says that he believes that the was coming that the was coming not from the Rambl but it was coming from the he actually quotes and he says that you know if you go through his ch it's inarvis very long not easy so it's very very long and hard but the rub of the tru is busy with the And is the he's referring to and then he brings all the very often does that. So with very often does that but upon him when said what he said he was he was talking to he said he wrote two long he never mentioned his tan and it was push that's what he was going like but here's the bottom line the bottom line is is that gelatin it starts off dead on arrival or like we said on arrival but really it shouldn't be so pit that it's tra because you have three maybe to be number one you have d that once it's at that point there's a you have that says and to the extent it's made from you have the test that says of go on the on the ledger and really it's based on these three that there was a lot of toml amongst and a lot of seem to invoke all three of these kulas [snorts] and really fast forward 50 years later did the same thing. You go through the ch from some invoked all three, some invoked some, some invoked one. But at the end of the day, there was a tremendous on something that you would think should be on arrival. Frankfolder you had over here that had stating that really there's on everything as it relates to the I mean number one number two the says this is not something that you should be and then there's the grace of that it could be that even though it was but now that It's right again maybe it changes and certainly being that your intent was you know to make it right what about so if you go through the scheme number one mention the rush was so there are those that say that even though you know his all the maybe is not 100% it's not so clear you have the other that we said that maybe only when it's to something That's as opposed to it's it's the same thing. It just was altered and it's and as it relates to the even in the case of there is to say that at the end of the day the say and that's what said the end of the day is awesome maybe and maybe he's being and maybe it's totally and now you have the so because at the end of the day there was there was not so partial that that's the way it should be and Clearly the American PK of they held very much the Hakner and the Kashmus organizations go based on that. Either way, this is a little bit of a two-part synopsis of the suga of kosher or non-coosher jata. But what does that have to do with Coca-Cola? Right? I mean, today she has Coca-Cola part three. We haven't even mentioned Coca-Cola yet, I don't think. So, what does all of this have to do with uh Coca-Cola? So I'll tell you something very interesting. I was talking to Rabbi Benfeld last week and he told me that you know we spoke about how develop is under the impression that the first person to ever give a proper ashk on Coca-Cola was repin. In fact goes down in history as the Coca-Cola rabbi and in Atlanta Georgia 1935 he's the first person to go and to give this hashkah. But we mentioned that's not true because in 1931 Rabinfeld Za his namesake Rabbi Binfeld right was making it not only kosher but even kosher Pesak. So was Rabbi Binfeld the first person to ever give the hashk on Coca-Cola? The truth is before Rabbi Binaell gave the hashka there was another big RV that gave a hashkah on Coca-Cola and that is Aron Halevi Paradis. So who is Rafool Paradis? So Raful Parades was a European Goyan who came to America in 1924. When he came to America he settled on the Lori side. He was aroved there in the Montgomery street synagogue for 3 years and then in 1927 he left New York and he went to Chicago. Now, [snorts] Rashmul Parardis was a great uh European Goian, but he was famous for his circular his journal that he was the editor-in chief of and that was the Hapardes journal. Now, it's interesting the history of the Apares journal goes back already to Europe preworld war I a very young Rapardes was already uh you know very entrepreneurial in terms of going out and having this journal where there was a lot of back and forth. It was a good money maker too because there's a lot of advertisements in it. This was a good gash. But the bottom line is this was something that he was already doing preWorld War I. But then it came to a a crashing halt and it really it stopped circulation for over 10 years. But when he came to America and he settled in Chicago in 1927, he reinvigorated he brought it back to life and this time he did it with a whole new cast of Rabonim. It was all the the American Rabonim and the in America. They were all very very involved and very influential contributing articles and going back and forth and discussing different things in the aparades in the aparades journal. So I'm going to read to you from an advertisement in a hapares uh journal and this is from 1930 right showed me the original. I just took a picture of it. So this is how it starts. Sounds familiar. Trink is gazint Coca-Cola again. olive. Olive olive olive is a Coca-Cola in I'm not sure what means. Okay, I guess it gives you energy. I think that's what it means. Skipping the next line because I'm going to botch it. Coca-Cola is by the way. That's a good thing. And gained vine in candy stores and restaurants in drugstores. Not drug stores, but right, we're not going there. This is just gelatin. Drugstores food Coca-Cola. You walk into a drugstore or you walk into a restaurant or you walk into a candy store, you should ask for a cocoa. This is the advertisement. Then there's a little box and listen to what Rabbi Paradis writes. recently Coca-Cola Atlanta Shell Georgia. So I was I visited Coca-Cola in Atlanta Shell Georgia. Right. Atlanta Georgia and the chemist. He said they revealed to me all the secrets. This is one of the greatest puns of all time. is [laughter] the tarus of the soda. He writes a parenthesis secret right soda. [snorts] So the side of the soda paradis so paradise already wrote IN 1930 THAT 5 years before gan HE WAS ALREADY INSIDE the of Coca-Cola and they were mala the mgala to him exactly what's going on in the co-coola and HE SAYS YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT IT'S KOSHER BUT HERE'S THE KASHA IT WASN'T KOSHER THERE WAS GLYCERIN INSIDE CUZ THAT FOR SURE WE KNOW FROM RABBI GAFF. So how is he makuret? So what was going on over here? So what was going on over here? So said I don't know but it's very very possible and this I do have there's a safer it's called the abnish was written by he was a goal. He contributed heavily to his own journal and [snorts] we have a safer from him. It's called and inn there's a section called and it's gelatin. He writes a chuva and if you go through the chuva it feels like it feels so much like he goes with the and he says to him it's as a matter of fact in the back of this there's a whole it's called today took over the parades after ais was and he was very involved in and he wrote a whole kress with regards to gelatin And like Parades himself, he was a very very big M. As a matter of fact, [snorts] he has a collection of chuvas, a small collection of chu that wrote him. And one of these were written after Rafard sat down and he wrote his truel and he sent it to mo and wrote back to him and wrote back to it's printed here this is not printed in azar this is printed in one place in because it was a custom letter that was sent by and it was sent to a parades and he tells him I went through your whole uh shila it's actually interesting the way starts Jello is gelatin ice cream. This is talking but at the end of the day he says I'm masking to your and when you went ahead and you said that it's this is something I'm mask him to 100%. He said rabbin felt it's talking it's talking that the reason that repartis was m wasn't so much wasn't so much was based on the fact that what's the issue there's glycerin inside okay so there's glycerin inside glycerin is like gelatin now it's not mamish the same as gelatin so again I mean we have to make this disclaimer over and over and over again because uh you know I feel uh I feel uh the blitz coming but at the same time again obviously gelatin is different gelatin very often was made from this is made from baser this has a taste gelatin doesn't have a taste there areim but at the end of the day if you go to the core principles of the gelatin the first two core principles which are the and so at the end of the day there's a and there's a mali gelatin mallycerin and based on THAT IT'S SO CLEAR A PARADISEL GLYCERIN was mut or at least gelatin was mut that it's not to say that the reason he went ahead and he was m was based on the fact that what you're dealing with over here is something that's anyways if you're dealing with something that's it shouldn't be a problem. This was throughout his with he had on his ch from which was really the opinion of the rubro back in the time and that is that it's mut so if it's mut was basically he said WHO CARES I SAW THIS GLYCERIN SO WHAT GLYCERIN IS MUT SO IF GLYCERIN is mut it's not going to be an issue in other words just to come full circle just to tie rate bites one two and three of coca together you know we mentioned gein came and he you know he got access through Mr. Harold Hershka through Ashkaha to the ingredients of Coca-Cola and he said there's glycerin over here alakula this is going to be a huge problem and even though it's 1,000th of the entire but there's a rajb and even though the said but I DON'T CARE YOU CAN'T GOBB AND BASED ON that brings the and there was no way he was allowing this to go through and there was no way he was going to be but we said that binfeld before him was and now we're saying that par EVEN BEFORE HIM WAS WHERE WERE THEY COMING FROM? said that he had from his that he was being that says that if you have a little bit of inside where it's even if it's dark and even though the said where it's there's no hat AND EVEN THOUGH SAID THAT it's we like this but at the same time said and we spoke suffer from the Elizabeth that it could be the only brought this in like the sometimes even it's way more and it's because of that he went so was the was being when he where was coming from? He was coming from a whole another angle. Could be you're right as it relates to the and it could be it's it's not on that. It could be you're right the the sensitivity the sensitivity of saying that if it's we're not going to go ahead and be BUT WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH [laughter] BECAUSE AT THE end of the day we're dealing with glycerin and glycerin like gelatin there's muk and you know why this la because you can go to like you can go not like the but the bottom line is see you had over here the Coca-Cola rabbi who goes down as the rabbi that was not the Coca-Cola Coca-Cola MT before it was mutter before before Gaffin. It was Mut in 1931. We know for sure by Rabbi JB, Rabbi Jakob Binel. We know that it was Mut in 1930 by Ra Parades as mentioned. Not only is Coca-Cola gazint, it's also something that's kosher and it's something you can find in the candy stores, the restaurants, and the drugstores. Wherever you go, this is something that uh you're going to be able to find. But the bottom line, this is before it had real coke in it, by the [laughter] way. You were buying it anyways, but after I SHOULD SAY, BUT THE BOTTOM line is that might have to be edited. But here's the bottom line that [laughter] we have over here Sai Rab Beanfeld and we had Sai Rab Parardis. They were both being, but at the end of the day, they weren't being for the same reason. was being he was being the end of the day. You know, I think this just brings out the legacy of Geffin that much more because the end of the day when he went ahead and he changed the recipe of of Coca-Cola. He was mameish making it that Coca-Cola kuf olive kuf olive kuf olive lam olive should be alar and there should be no glycerin. We shouldn't have to be on all the chas that glycerin is kosher and it shouldn't even have to get involved with beudas and and bits at the end of the day. Why should you have to be? He wanted that should be rain. It should be 100% fashia kadas which by the way wasn't just a gamecher as far as Coca-Cola goes but it was a gamecher in terms of the way American rabbon and we're going to view cashas. you know, this is a young America where, you know, things are evolving very, very quickly and there's going to be commercial cautious organizations and what is the hashkafer going to be and repuan set it on a path where it was going to be 100% in the 1930s in the the spiritual world that America was at the time. It wouldn't have been so to be on from the And it wouldn't have been so to be on a from the 150 years earlier the great on the other school and had this herish he had this sensitivity at that point an elder litfish living in Atlanta Georgia and he says we're going to make Coca-Cola very much changed the landscape of how kashas would be treated in the United States of America. Either way, this concludes CocaCola part