Chulin 11

Today's D is and we are 23 lines from the bottom of today's being learned as a before. So I feel like we've been saying this a lot lately but today's daf requires an asterisk. We mentioned it on d on dav on dess. It's equally if not more true for as a matter of fact is in the conversation of the most distin what's the topic it's the laws of kazok and the laws of rife. Now why are we talking about and so if you take a look at Rashi Rashi says it's based on the fact that some of the that we mentioned over the last two daffin relied very much on specifically ones the Gmorra brought Rapuna's memor which said This was for plus it's predicated on the concept of as a matter of fact you see in that we rely on both and there's something called [snorts] there's something called Kazaka Lula. Obviously, this is not the only place in Shast that you find the idea of Kazak, but at the same time, it featured prominently right here in the last two. And it's for that reason Zashi feels this is a good place to digress a little bit, take a few steps back and discuss a little bit. Now, that explains why the Gumar is going to talk about. But as we're going to see, it's two lines from the top of in the middle of the is going to say we're talking about because that was a major part of the last two specifically meas didn't seem to be featured disproportionately in these last than it is in so many other places. So I understand why we're discussing why we talking about. So Rashi addresses the question on the top of and Rashi says once we're talking about what's the we might as well talk a little bit about what's the Mart as well. According to Rashi this epic suga's memoras was very much neg to talk about what is the mart once we mention what the mart is very much but we also talk a little bit about what the marty is now rashi's mahalak in terms of explaining why we're discussing R that it's all [clears throat] of is a little because it's true R and Kazak very much are bound by the hip but there are other very important ideas that come to the party that Ro and Kazaka attend for example there's an idea called ko there's a concept of mig What's the of all the affformentioned? These are all of us. So you want to tell me because we're going to mention which has some to the beginning of we're also going to mention well why stop after why didn't say by the way is a big deal. There's a whole basket which one is or why don't we say that there's a concept of migu right all these ideas come together what rash is saying although it's the is a little bit darker if you take a look at the kadushy theran says differently the ran says that just like in rafuna's mera we saw the idea of kazak in rafuna's memor we saw the idea of Why? What did say that's so if you have a suffic right now in it's that the behemoth is going to be awesome. Why? Because before the be was awesome. Is it the or is it the but at the end of the day it was thus you see the concept of what was the once you do the meaning once there was a if now it was maybe the animal was a tra so the animals considered to be that it wasn't a trai where's the that it wasn't a traer. Maybe it was a tra and if it was a tra was never really mid and if that's the case what does it mean what's the terret is because being that therefore once you do the the animals that it's and therefore if it's suffic now you're going to have but at the end of the day that is rooted in [snorts] the fact that animals are not. If that's the case in you see the concept of and you see the concept of that's why we're going to have a whole here on again with the we're going back to but it's not just that we see you see and hence we're going to have the Okay. So the as we'll see is going to be made up of two parts not two equal parts. The first part is going to be okay. The second is going to be so we have to be mocked a little bit. This is the second introduction to the idea of Khazaka and then is when we get up to the part of the we'll do a tiny bit of an introduction to as well. When we talk about the word it can mean many different things. The Kazak of Rafuna was where something was established to be a certain way based on facts. Now it was no suffic that maybe that changed. There's a concept of the last time I knew for sure what the status of this was. It was a certain way. We assume the status quo and as a result there's an idea of if I'm not sure what's going on just assume that it is the way it always was. That's a concept of that's known as and this idea of by the way you find it from a a physical perspective and you find it from a perspective. So there's a that we assume that if the mikvah had 40 it still has 40 or there's a that if a person physically was of a certain way then probably that didn't change. There's also a concept of as it relates to if something was or if something was or we are allowed to assume the status quo that's the concept of but the bottom line is the first category of is what's known as the second is what's known as is also referred to as but it's a completely different [snorts] is that we assume certain we assume people behave a certain way and that's something that is so for example that has nothing to do with there's no in this case we have absolutely no idea no information but there's a certain norm that use the word to describe and based on that norm there's this concept of Another concept of that you find is if something happens repeatedly it establishes a so for example three times goes from being to how many times this pattern would have to repeat itself in order to be established holds holds that it's but that's also a word that is referred to as but it's again it's not it's either there's something called right for example is nickname that's a completely different but again you find the word when you learn the third paras so the word gets thrown all over the place that's akas the bottom line is there are a lot of different types of kazoka as it relates to our that we're about to learn the kazoka that we're focusing on is the khaz that rahun was talking about enough to ask and that is the concept of that is we know for sure this animal was last time we verified now we have a suffic is it still or is it not there's a concept of leave it the way he was and that's something that works it's something that works it's that type of that is going to zero in right now and focus on over the years we've mentioned several times a very important march it's in It's right here in where talks about different types of a lot of this tiny introduction that we just mentioned comes from that maramokim. It's uh top 10 maramokim really for people that learn all the yeshiva sugas in terms of really in a very very clear way crystallizing the differences between the different types of ideas that we find described as a either way we already had two introductions to today's so without further ado what is the that Okay, it's interesting. You find very often and just this idea or right that said this very often there's a does that mean that this is a or could be I think this is a that the word doesn't necessarily mean that it's their creation and that it's rabbitic in nature. It could be the we're just telling you but is not a this is a what is the in the to the idea of by the way says even the words of the just leave it as it was meaning we're discussing here which type of it's learned out from the following PK. And if you didn't know this, this may come as a shock because really if you were going to guess, this might be the last place in the you would go to to find the to the concept of it says in the so the context over here is where the bias had. So we know a person can be a mitz, a beet can become a mitz and a bias can become a mitzvah as well. The cayenne is of course the authority of all things saras. You don't go to a doctor if you had saras. You went to the cayenne if you had saras. Specifically in this case the cen entered the house and he saw that there was a nega and based on what the terror says he has to do. He has to close up the house for a week. He's going to inspect it in a week. You may have to close it for another week. And at some point if doesn't play out well it's going to go from being a musker to now a the bottom line is we're discussing where the enter the house and he sees that there's a talk to he leaves the house he goes to the habas and then he literally rashi says closes the door keeps it lock and when he's outside the bay thera continues and says he declares it as being in a state It's not a state of it's a state of but the bottom line is on some level it's going to be how do you understand this maybe by the time the left the house at that point the she of the was minimized a little bit we saw what the shar is last week it's a gris but maybe it's not the same shear anymore and if that's the case it's not in a situation where it should become tame. So how is it possible that the way the house becomes uh mits quote unquote is when the cen leaves the house closes the door and then determines it. It could be from the time that he saw it until he executed on it the situation changed. Must be it must be because since the last time he saw it was a she of a gris. So there's something called and as a result we leave it the way it is. Just explain this a little bit better. If the was able to establish it as being a while he's in the house. Okay. So he's looking it between the eyes. He sees it. He not shrinking as a result. So he knows exactly what he needs to do. But being that the says [laughter] he has to first leave. Well if that's the case maybe by that point it's not this year anymore. must be there's a concept of but says and the names matter I don't understand the maybe the way this works is is the walks out with his back leading the way so that he's able to see everything that's going on. Meaning it sounds like this raya presupposes that this cyan is going to leave the house the way people usually leave rooms. He's going to turn his back to the house and he's going to walk outside. But that's what's happening. Maybe he's going to be like this isn't be able to see. But if he doesn't see it, he won't be able to establish it as it being. And the reason is because I have two problems with what you just said. The number one the says and it has to mean that you're going in the regular way. We always speak out from that whenever the says something the is to do it in the normal way right that's why if somebody eats it's not because when it says it means a regular it means in the regular way somebody would leave besides at the end of the day he's going to have to close the door right so when he closes the door he could be going out this way or that way it doesn't matter how he's going go sideways but once he closes the door to the extent that it's behind the door. How is he going to see it? Now, if it's not behind the door, maybe you'll tell me he'll see it through a window. I don't know. But if it's behind the door, the door for sure is closed off, right? So, how's he going to see it if it's there's no question in the world that you see from here that there must be a a concept of continued tell in a situation where the nega is behind the door before the co's going to leave he's going to make a window inside the door. Meaning usually the door shouldn't have a window but in this situation in order for him to be able to execute it that's what he's going to do. So like this he'll see it meaning the only time you're ever going to be able to establish a bias as being is in the event that he sees it I what happens if it's in that situation you're going to open a little bit of window but that's not possible but tonight it's a in the event that there's a dark house and when the walks in he can't see it right this is before the light bulbs now open up any windows near says to see the rashi says it's learned from the kga nearly But the bottom line is he's seeing now to open up windows. So that can't be the so number one you're asking. Maybe he's going out backwards in that way is not. And besides it wouldn't even help you in the event that it's and don't tell me you're going to open a window because we know it's a that's not an option. turned to and he told that I'm not asking to either one this that you're saying is not called it's not true [snorts] you see from the it says by him the word it says it's talking about when he was leaving that tonight we learned the way the kali used to walk out is the and walk out of you don't turn your back to the is not turning his back to the so you see clearly it says in the yet for sure say he went which means he went and regarding the other and that is that even if he went what are you going to do if it's and don't tell me he's going to open up a window why not because the Mishna says That's not although it's true. You're tining that there such a true that's if you don't know if there was ever a if there was not a such but to the extent that we know that at one point there was for sure a nega and now we're just trying to determine whether it went away or whether it spread or it didn't spread. The bottom line is Yakov had a cash on the mur of khaz being from the parish of Abaya had stayed shu on the kash of ra knocked out which means that he's really reinvigorating right so that's what we're holding where we're holding is knocked it out so at the end of the day what do we have what we have is said what's the concept of it's learned out from right that's essentially where we are stating that we have not say and what's the say now from fact that it says you would think that the person should go all the way to his own house and then he can do it. No, he can't go home, right? When he leaves, can't go home, have lunch, and then No, you leave. That's what this happens. You would think he should literally be underneath the mash, right? He should literally be in the doorway. It says, "So, what is it?" Meaning, it's a little bit tricky just from reading the PK. It says which means he leaves the entire house but then it says he goes off sounds like he's still somewhat in the house at the very least he's in the says let me tell you how this works he stands right next to the and then he goes and he does the so you want to know the real way of how this is supposed to take place it's supposed to be as mentioned that in the event that he went to his house and then he did the or if he stood in the bias or some have the he stood underneath the how do you know in all these cases that it works the says the words after it says the word again that's how the that's an extra word to teach me that doesn't matter where he did it at the end of the day it's going to be okay but what do you see from here What's the t the You see the footage that if he would go home and he would do it, it would be okay. Said maybe we don't go and maybe he has to see it. How's he going to see it? He's going to go backwards. What if you'll make a window? I the Mishna that says you can't do it. That's when you don't know if there was ever a negative. But once you know there's a negative, maybe at that point you let open up a window. Yeah. What are you going to do with this Bri? This Bri says he could be home. And what if he lives on the other side of the neighborhood? It's going to be okay. How's he going to answer this? maybe maybe with the knows for a fact that it's okay. There's going to be a whole assembly line of people that are going to say it's still good. It's still good. It's still good. I'm going to call him on the phone. I'm going to whatever. We'll figure out a way to make sure he knows but if he doesn't know about it's not going to be okay. Meaning all the is being is he doesn't have to be literally if he's in the bay it's fine. If he's underneath the mashk, but the evidence's fine. If he's in his own bias, but the evidence's fine. Ah, you have a cash. If he's in his own bias, he doesn't know what's going on. NO, NO, WE'LL MAKE UP A mush the There's a row of people and they're telling him exactly what happened. But at the end of the day, from we're definitely not going to knock out by. It's interesting if you think about what we just learned which by the way concludes the Kazak part of today's dav until the raid that is but if you think about what we just learned so we had a a to the idea of kazak it's learned out from the parish of natim came and he asked a sakasha abaya tried defending it ra says I don't agree with your defense nothing over a bisa that was not like but the gummor seem to reject that as well meaning is still standing which really would leave us with Adam right doesn't it sound that way if you learn the garra just p it sounds like we had a of a but at the end of the day seemed to have knocked it out stating that at the end of the day the is it is the para of it's these words as much as in the you don't see it necessarily but this is the way it is. There's another takeaway that's very very important that needs to be mentioned and that is if you take a look at Rashi it's four lines from the bottom of who said what who said what who asked on who had a problem with this being the Rashi says very sharp Rashi who says that we don't rely on sounds a little bit from Rashi that Rashi is saying that the takeaway of the is hold of now it only sounds a little bit that way it's not because you could say what Rashi means to say is say that there's no that the way the parish of works is with but if you take a look on the side of the gum says does not hold of the concept of that's as a matter of fact if you take a look at on the top of the it's the second over there we'll speak out to later but in it's that according to who didn't agree with the source of that we learn from he's going to have to hold that to is but don't walk away from the thinking the doesn't hold and really at first glance it sounds like there's a right here on the page we even go to the here but right here on the page today's it sounds [laughter] like there's a whether or not is that you learn from somewhere else or it could be there's an in the whose name is his name is who holds that there's no such thing as it's very that way not that way by the way if you want to see it a little bit better but the bottom line is this is something that we need to get back to and we will either way we now turn our attention to the second and uh somewhat longer part of today's daf and that is So another one of the is the concept of and just like the word means different things in different suggest so for example there's a concept of roy which says that if I have a suffic so you know I could always assume that the roy is correct for example if you have a bezden and some dion see it this way other dion yet another way. So we have a right to assume that whatever the majority believes that's probably the way it is. Similarly, if I have something in front of me, I don't know where it came from. I have a right to assume that it probably came from the what's known as called the parish may rub. So there's an idea of where I have a suffic in front of me right now. So if I know the is a certain way that gives me a to assume that way that idea of by the way comes in two forms. It could wear two hats. It could be a or it could be a rub is where I see the I'm looking at it. I see the beds in I see Ruven Shimud. I'm looking at each one and I see the ones that are saying zak I see the ones that are saying but whoever the is I'm looking at them or the classic case of chas that we'll be introduced to in one second and that is I find a piece of meat and it's the annoying it's in the store that sold kosher meat and one of them that sells non-coosher meat where I'm allowed to assume that this meat came from one of the not from the one based on the concept of kapar m rub again that's a situation where I see all And as a result that's a ruba is this type of could also come in the flavor of a ruba. So for example if there's a child and we have a suffic is this child a sus if he's a boy or an islandist or if she's a girl most people are notisim or islandistes. Thus there's an idea of going bus. Now over there you don't see the rubma that are notim or they're not islandist but there's an idea that you go even when I don't have the in front of me. That's what's known as ruban. But the two are really one and the same. And that is there's an idea that I'm allowed to assume. There is a huge nuance between where the issuer falls into falls into. So there's an idea. The dam is bottled to the dar. how many sug do I have to do all of it or as long as is there if I have shisha must follow him so to speak that would be ku I have the entire thing so again just like kaz There are many different types of the now is going to ask which are we discussing? We're discussing not that we're going to get to. We're discussing not that's primarily from all places. What we're discussing over here is the idea that when there's a suffic when in doubt we're fake based on assuming that whatever happened is in line and consistent with the majority it's the idea of being and again without further ado what is this that fake [snorts] Seriously, did I hear right? Did I hear right? You're not sure what the it says. When we learn was a little bit of a doesn't say anymore, but is a basin conven. But the point is it's the where the is in front of me. I can steer at the like the case of that we mentioned a second ago it's coming but the sh of the was what it's going that's the case that we mentioned earlier and it's specifically whether a cotton could do or what be the reason not because a can't do and an islandist can't do yum which means that in the event that aar being and if that's the case that would be a very very har and it's for that reason whether it's for a to do or not bottom line is we know that we'll see more about this later but the is that a cotton could do and could be miss and the reason is because you go that most are not going to be and most are not going to grow up to be an island. Thus you see even though the fact is fake is when I could see the and really before the words it should say simmons. So what's this sim? Believe it or not it's a sim for 10. It's 10 letters 10. And these 10 are going to be the 10 answers to this. So whereas related to there was one mar but a kasha no less on that mar that didn't seem like we really got out of too smoothly. When it comes to now the gar is going to bring like from 10 m which by the way is the reason that the part of the is longer than the part of the is but the reason the part of the is longer is simply we have more sources. We have 10 mus to this idea of again we're not having this conversation that's a either way is the first he's the you want to know what the is we learn it out from the head of the carbon says we know that the carbon was unique we'll try to do this quickly in that the carbon had a special mitzvah called what's had to be chopped up in a certain way. Now said one of the is in the mitzvah is you cut it once but you can't dice it. You can't make it into very very small pieces. Now part of the mitzvah of was to sever the head of the carbon being that when you sever the head and there's a of that means you can't cut the head a second time's a little bit of a problem with that one of the tra that are discussed in is that if there's a hole in the membrane surrounding the brain that would make the animal into a traa. Now, [snorts] you can't go and chop up the head and cut through the skull to see whether or not there's a neative in the chrome of the as it relates to this carbon. And the reason is because it's a den of and if that's the case, that poses a big problem because you know you can't put a tra how do you know this animal's not a tra? Let's explain this a little bit better. when you have an animal. So you have to be bite one of the you have to make sure there's no neck in the chrome of the but when it comes to the and is to cut off the head which means you can't cut the head a second TIME YOU HAVE NO WAY OF DOING THIS. SO HOW DO you have a right to put it on the maybe it's said what's the animals are not bottom line is you see over here that is a now those animals that are not are they all in front of you are you looking at them of course not that's the that's not like the hedge that's not like the so you see clearly that you go bust says I don't think there's a maybe what Cen would do is after he severed the head of the he would cut it again and cut it in a way that he'd be able to see. What's the problem? I thought you're not allowed to cut it a second time. Could be maybe that's only an issue if you're going to sever it 100%. But in the event that it's still going to be attached a little bit less at that point it's not going to be an issue. I mean that at that point it's not going to be that would be the what's the you go you learn it out from the of the how do you know that it's not a tra you can't cut it that's what you would usually do oh must be the animals are not being tra but was it could be you can cut it I isn't that a violation of doing a double that's only but it's not going to be initial that's the me He said, "You learn it out from the not break the bone of a carbon, but that's the case. You have the same exact issue. It says, but you can't just go ahead and break. You can't crack the skull of the carbon pes." Now, if that's the case, you have no way of doing the on the to make sure there's no nev. So, how do you have a right to go be mocked in now the carbon pes? Maybe it's a again it's the same but it's not from the head of the it's from the head of the carbon but the bottom line is you see that animals are not even though it's says maybe you do do an inspection there is some diagnostic that's done on the animal to make sure that nothing happened to the of the I how you going to do it you're not going to break the bones how you going to get into the answer is you're going to put a burning coal there. You're going to burn the bone and that's okay. I can't break it but I can burn it. Yes. The time you learn to if somebody is not of the but or that's what we need. If somebody goes ahead and he burns that somebody there's no problem with the bottom line is there is in this is the I have a third it's learned out from the tale says of the says the theory says that when it comes to the sheep right the or the of So part and parcel of what went on the misbeh as part of the was the right it was the the tail that was all included in it. Now it says that it had to be tim which means that you couldn't just break it. What's the problem? One of the has to do when he an animal is he has to go through the and he has to make sure that there's no issues. Now thera is the spine. It goes all across the back of the animal and it goes all the way into the aly that's how far it goes. Now if you not let it break the area of the aly so that area that's the is going to have a you're not going to know whether there's a a tra or not. Let him put it on the miss. You're being macked there without doing the full must be what's the again animals are not it's at the end of the day you see it's something that you're allowed to do but say you'll be tell maybe what you're going to do is when you cut the you're going to cut it all the way on the bottom of the explains this that we're going to see in perfus thera is divided into three groups the lowest group is the most kadic as it relates to the laws So as long as you're going to cut it all the way on the bottom. So over there you're not going to have to worry about there being an issue. But the says it's not an anyways. And the reason is because it says in the regarding the that it has to be that's the area that it has to be. And what does that mean? It means next to the need next to the kidneys, right? the kidneys and kazal are yoyat. So it has to be in that area that's supposed to knock out from the bottom line is a little higher up. A little higher up a neck of it already is going to knock it out. So the bottom line is that's not going to be in. So the says this is my makar is I learned it from the of the how you let it put on the it has to be you're not doing any to make sure that there's nothing wrong with and don't tell me you cut it all the way on the bottom where there's no issue anyways because it has to be says the says I don't know if that's an issue maybe you're going to open up the and you're going to look at the you're going to make So there's no problem over there. Why do you think it's not an option? Because of maybe that's only initial that's only like we mentioned earlier that to the extent that it's life to the extent it's going to be a little bit of attach at that point it won't be an issue. Either way this concludes the first of the three words that we used in our simmons. By the way, if you take a look at the right here in he makes a big deal of that the reason the sim was divided into three words because even though it's 10 mus but it's three groups of mus but the first three it's pretty obvious what they have in common they're allus the first one was we learn it from the of the carbon the second one is we learn it from the of the carbon the third one was we learn it from the of the and the and notice by the way we would all At the end of the day, there's no real riot from the What was the riot? You're not going to be able to chop it up a second time. How do you know that there's no issue with the of the Maybe you'll open it a little bit, but it'll still be attached. How do you know that there's no issue with the of the of the carbon? Maybe you're going to put a burning hot coal. And we know if somebody that's not an issue, how do you know there's no problem with the all the way on the bottom? Again, maybe even though it says Tamima, but you'll keep it attached, but at the same time, you'll open it enough that you'll be able to look inside. The bottom line is the three makers were all caught from and all three of them were second group of we learned it from the one of the says it says in the way Rashi learns this is that the animal after it's has to be the same and just like the egglo had to be a shin so do after that b aside for the fact that it's uh right beheaded right I mean other than that it's but again teaches me that it has to be what's the problem for you that means you're not doing any to figure out whether or not it'sn't that a problem you can tell me who one second I understand why tra was a when you were dealing with the head of the head of the the or the of the but the rufus who is not to be a trauma says no it has to be because it says and we learn from there a lot of what is is that it has to be like meaning it's not let the bottom line is from there you have is the next he said it's learned out from the passing says says regarding the parad and then he went ahead and he burned it. And we learn from the juxiposition between the just had to be done when it was so had to be done when it was. Now if that's the case that means if it has to be you're not doing any diagnostics how do you know it's not a must you're going to tell me again we're dealing with the parad we're not dealing with a carbon so if you're not dealing with a carbon who said it's not let it be a tra no because we all know we know calls the paradma the carbon and just like has to not be a traa so to the parad wouldn't be a tra either So the gumar now brought two additional mus up to five already if you're keeping score. The first one was raises beridi. He's the shin of he learned it from the next one was he's the b of what were the mus were from the aruf and the ad respectively. You take a look at typhus mas asks you asks I don't understand he says when the gumar asked the kasha from or when brought his from and when the gar brought a mar from the of the was because the gar said even though the of the let it cut but doesn't mean you can't do an inspection cuz not cutting MEANS YOU CAN'T SEVER IT you can't make it two pieces But maybe you could cut it lie the gar used right that was the maybe you have a way to look it and the same is true regarding Dalia and because that was like fake how come when the gar brings the from where again it has to be or when we learn from where it has to be why the same that what you're going to do is you're going to cut it and you'll make sure that there's no issues with the and you're just going to inspect it in that same why was it a decoy for the And for the of the not of the and it's not a parad says it's very simple [snorts] says that when it the says that you're not allowed to make the head of the not into what does it say? It says you're not allowed to cut it. So as long as it's attached it's not considered it's not considered cut. as it relates to the theor says it has to be as long as it's attached that's enough for it to be by the what was the after it's still has to be the ZELA EGL THAT AT THAT POINT wasn't hanging on on a thread it was a perfect egg so now would like to have to be a perfect egg when the of was mentioned what was it has to be exactly the way it was at the at the time of THE HAD TO BE PERFECT. OTHERWISE, IT'S uh it's about move. It's no sh. So there we're we're being to the way it was when it was alive. So you can't say that you're going to cut it and carve it up, but you you'll make sure it's still attached a little bit. No, no, no, no. That's fine to make it not. That's fine to make it that it's still considered. But if you want it to be if you wanted to be then you would need it to be literally the same. So that's why the wasn't able to be this in the same way that is the of and this is the same time we have second time we have in today's featured very prominently in the part of today's now we have him as one of the 10 in as well but either way what did he say from the says that the would take the two and we learned from that they had to be exactly the same, right? They had to be perfectly the same. Now, perfectly the same means the lashem had to be uh not a tra because it's going on the misbeha. But as it relates to the lazel, there's not going to be an opportunity to do a bad as we'll see in a second. And if that's the case, how do you know it's not a trade for must be that there's something called and we go therefore it's going to be tell you you're going to tell me who said that the star is not let now we just said I told you why it's because they have to be but the way the mafar explained the gamar kasha is that maybe when we say they have to be shva it doesn't mean in the traer sense maybe it has to be that Like the says, but maybe they don't have to be as it relates to this but the says I hear mean that would maybe be a plausible but [snorts] at the end of the day that the [laughter] had to be to be the and to the extent it was ever that it was a tra that would mean that it wasn't cautious to be the alo that's how you know it had to be the so it's maybe not from the fact that you could be but at the end of the day that's not something you could be you'll tell me okay what's the greatest problem maybe maybe you'll go ahead and you'll do there was no opportunity to do because by the time it was halfway down the mountain at that point it was completely completely whacked from all sides it was already you see from here that you go must go this concludes the second category of mirus of how you know you go by and these are all in the world of raid incredibly these are three types of carbonus ish that are not really carbon what are they they're the and the fascinating so we have the carbon the carbon and the was the first three and then we have their counterparts to a degree and that is we have the rufa we have the we have the either way we're up to the last group called zomor that's the manio you want to know what the is and this by the way needs a drum roll because this is by far the most famous of all the you want to know what the source is that you go we learn it we learn it from the fact that it says in Maybe his father is not really his father must be what's the right till now all the were there's a that an animal is not a every single one this is the first time we have a different that must be now all those you see clearly you go bust But the last maybe the only time a person could be is if when he was conceived his father and his mother were so over there there's no suffic that the father is the father but that wasn't the case even though maybe you don't go but even if the father and the mother were you'd still have to come on to the right and the reason is because at the You can never be to make sure there's no point because it's and you always have to be maybe it's the says maybe the gave to somebody else. The bottom line is that in of itself would not be an and it's for that reason says the told us that you want to know the go it's learned out from he's the of she learned it out from every say if somebody killed somebody maybe the person that he killed was How do you know that he killed a person? It's not somebody you're not. So, how can you ever give a person? Now, we're going back to the people are not right. A person is you'll tell me the maybe do a maybe do an autopsy. Now, this wine of Gumra, by the way, obviously today is not the for this, but this next wine of Gumra is from the grace and shar. Maybe you'll tell me you'll do a come. What do you mean? You can't do an autopsy. Maybe you're going to tell me. Maybe you'll tell me that. I understand ordinarily we don't do an autopsy, but over here if you do an autopsy and you find out that the person that was killed was a tra you're GOING TO SAVE A LIFE, so maybe for that you would do it. And it sounds a little bit it sounds a little bit like the Gmorra hears this, right? which is where this famous suga of maybe there being times where it's okay to do an autopsy plays itself out because the doesn't answer the kasha theor says even if you did that even if you did that you could always say that even if we would find out that the person was okay you did the opsy and as far as we know there was nothing there but maybe he really had a hole in a part of his body that would render him a traa I how come you don't see cuz it's in the muck of the neck P this guy went ahead. It was neck of bringing us back to Das. But the bottom line is maybe that's what happened. Eli why we maybe the ter must be because we go thus we see there's a concept of raim and you want to know what the is and this is the of it's learned from one of the successful. So what would be if you had two that said somebody killed somebody then they were found to be so what does it say in the last now they're going to be maybe the person they were saying about is obviously now maybe you're going to do a right so you're going to chop this guy up so that's not an option because said who's so either iron bites or just iron rashi is also good but either We know that the only time you say is if it was if the person was killed already where you can technically theoretically maybe do an autopsy it sounds like again the entertaining the possibility of the autopsy. But the bottom line is is that then there would be no kash. So when you're doing kash and obviously the person's alive and if the person's alive then obviously you can it's interesting in today's day and age there is a mahalak of doing different diagnostics where uh you know through cat scans and MRIs and x-rays there are ways potentially to know whether a person's a tra which is interesting how it would impact all this but the bottom line is is the gamar says there's no way to do a pique on a live person and if that's the case obviously that's not going to be an it and then finally away up to the 10th shot. Right? Who said the second to last shot? The ninth shot. Ravino was the one that said it would have been if it was but it's Ravino, right? So Ravina said the ninth shot. Who says the 10th shot? It's who always gets the last word in said you learn it from the said maybe it happened. How do you know the was a good maybe happened in the maybe there was a ne in the VE YOU WENT AHEAD and you did a in that place you go right we're going to hit the pause we're not finished but we're going to hit the pause button for one second and this concludes [snorts] the last four of the which were who said about someone that was nephesh and then who said you learn that So the bottom line is [snorts] what is the go? Oh that's easy. That's a it's not the question. The question is what's the you go by when it comes to the less the answer is either it's learned out from the of the head of the carbon it's learned out from the head of the carbon it's learned out from the it's learned out from it's learned out from the fact it's learned out from someone That's why maybe the person was a tra from the fact that for being made on somebody that a person was afat why you're not concerned that maybe the animal was a tra but there's one postcript which is critical m because if you stopped right here we'd walk away from this just on the daf So we push need to read the next words of the because this is a very very important end of the story and that is not surprisingly I said over this by the way was so said some say that said he said to me now is the gear according into the second right if Raashi is relating what told he's saying he's saying but if Raashi is relating what I told and now what told me it's not for it would be if you take a look on the side of the change but either way how do you have a right to learn from not just even the Raashi is one that's talking but if you look in the all 10 of the how do you have a right to learn from any of these the idea of the in all of these situations if you're not going to go bas you're going to be stuck right if you're not going to go bas so you won't be able to be mba and you won't be able to be m the carbon pes and you won't be able to do the properly with the and you're going to have an issue with right Just go through each one. You're going to have a problem with the you'll never have a star the that's not something that's going to apply. You'll never be able to give somebody mis in the event that it was you have when it comes to that were made and you'll be vegan for the rest of your life. RIGHT? SO ALL OF THESE SITUATIONS with situations where there is no way out maybe where it's where you don't have to come to arrive maybe where there's a where there's another way to go about this maybe in such a situation you don't go bus and he followed up with a very sharp punch line the if you're going to tell me not that way we're waiting for this we know is by the way what does mean and hold of it's after learning the we understand a little bit better the lesson come on over there is are you going to tell me in Rome's world you're not let you'll say maybe maybe yeah maybe all were vegetarians and vegans but can't be there's a mitzvah from these are mitzvah they rise And there's no way can knock out those says what do you have to say. So Raashi said I told him over this whole and he said that there's no way there's from here because I could always tell you where in these cases you know he's asking where's okay so you have no okay so what's the then it's amazing you see how the roy ended the same way as it ended with a cliffhanger it ended with a kasha so then what is the mar so how then do you know that you go bus. We went through 10 mus. I think if you ask the man on the street, how do you know you go bus? He'll probably tell you, right? By the way, it's only one of but it doesn't even sound like that's the if you take a look at Rashi says it's the first narrow line on the top of alternatively it says in the at the end of the day. You want to know what the is the is either it's or it's learned out from the lesson and this that everyone always quotes is number one it's only right this nine other in terms of what is and even all 10 of the at the end of the day because all you see from there is okay. where it's ever it's but you would have no place where a mayor battled out the of whether we go and we don't go on hotish with at the end of the day and what really is the either it's learned out from or it's learned out or it's learned out from between and the to come on after further review is really overruled either way. So as it relates to raid and again this is obviously a daf that you know we've come back to over the years so many times but I think it's to speak out one and this is something that we've spoken about in the past and that is so the was made up of two parts right first part of the daf albeit the short shorter part of the daf was Okay, the second part of the D, the longer part of D was what emerged from the end of the second part of D, which is something that we already know is that not everybody even holds that you go bus the lesser is there's a here whereas discusses whether Is it or is only maybe we'll talk about that tomorrow but for now everyone knows that is that is the prim in his safer on right here on our days he makes the following observation he says we know kazal say so anytime there's a face off between the first part of today's daf and the second part of today's daf you have uh this mano between the idea of and the idea that we're the rule is always better than kazak if that's the case it should come out that raor who doesn't go bor At the very least he shouldn't go and that there should be a mayor in that doesn't go and he says that's what come because doesn't go so if he doesn't go you shouldn't go either over the years we've mentioned this from the Yeshua in in the first and the when he asks he doesn't just say that doesn't go he says it's where goes so you see does go and he's not to say that we shouldn't go for disgrace that how could it be that doesn't go yet he goes bazak If so he doesn't hold up the better one which is right that he holds up the lesser one which is says over the years we found that this is already mentioned in the end this that why is it that you don't find anywhere that there's a mayor holds you don't go but the bottom line is the bottom line is the is that if andor doesn't go bus that you come out there may or shouldn't go either. And I was thinking just well we learned we mentioned that from it's and from it's a little bit mash that there's a who holds that you don't go and we left it off with a gay first of all how could it be a mand that doesn't hold and fr how could it be that doesn't hold that you go bazok how many how many are predicated on the concept of kazok if there's a raor who holds that you don't go bazok from the prim if there would be such a well then would have a and if that's the case HE COULD ALWAYS SAY I hold like by the way this is a hel it's not under but the bottom line [laughter] is if you're going to tell me that from the fact that there's a in the WORLD IT'S THAT ALSO DOESN'T GO. SO WE FOUND we have a that doesn't hold that you go maybe that's a to understand the fact that there would be that would hold you don't go but either way I'm not happy with this and if that's the case it's how's it possible that mayor doesn't go yet he does go buster so maybe you could It's the second on the ask the said and the br and then the said once we establish that you gobba certainly you should goba Once I have a why do I need why don't we say that once I know so should work meaning is meaning I know for sure is better than okay so perfect once you know works you should know works as well I think it's says that's the we mentioned in the that question is that didn't have a [laughter] for what was his where the speaks out it's and we know so even though it's true if I know I know but there's a lot of limitations to one of them is you can learn from something that's for that reason it's not going to it's not going to be okay but according to the according to the is from and I know it from a the concept of and the reason is I know it from which by the way let's revisit what is the that's only one of came out that what [snorts] is it really? It's not even the one or any of the either it's or it's learned out from we have a over here tucked away on the top of it could be it's learned from [laughter] because once I know which means is not only the is also the another that I think is good to mention and that is we mentioned in the introduction to the [laughter] that a little bit why is it that we're even talking about this is a says first term because the whole question of it was only it was only from so once we mention who was very much a part of the tal oh I didn't know the savak You tell me who doesn't hold that there's any in the whole world that hasn't he must have a new could be the mention of that's his first ter second terrorist he brings from who said that the idea that is actually not learned out it's actually not learned out What then is the mar to it's learned that from the because the although there's a that the animal's not a tra as we saw in the but says that is really going and you see that you go a that's but the bottom line is without going too much into that of what is saying in the second is is that is not a if it was once I know I know if I goof from At this point the gar the gar doesn't know that after you learn if it could be at that point the gar wouldn't ask but the bottom line is in real time the gar doesn't know yet the doesn't know these are two in this is in also in it's says a parits to but I think it requires a tiny bit of an introduction and that is discusses the following case there was a woman that went together with her husband she comes back from without her husband and she says my husband died she's allowed to get married even is allowed to get her Why I thought of the kilo that is believed to say even a woman is believed to say and a woman's even believed to say about herself. If a woman would go with her husband and come back without her husband, she'd be believed to say that she's allowed to get married. This is right. So in the event that there was a her husband had a another wife so the would be a has always believed when it comes to the reason is because the back in the day didn't get along very well in fact that's the primary reason made his forbidding and answering polygamy but being that we're concerned that this woman doesn't like the Torah and maybe she wants to get back at us and maybe she's going and lying because she wants the Torah to get married have another family and they're going to all As a result, she's believed for herself, but she's not believed for the in the event that was a but the husband was a meaning she's someone that based on how she was born is not allowed to eat. She's a basis, but because she's married to she's allowed to eat, she's allowed to continue to eat. meaning Dr. Mishna we don't trust this woman that we assume that if she wants to continue eating truma that her husband's alive then himself is going to be okay. So the Mishna says that a woman that comes back from dinner and says my husband died [snorts] the way we treat it from perspective is very as it relates to herself is as it relates to the she's even says when the Mishna said that the isuma in the event that she was about Is it true? Is it true? In other words, the said, "I'm having a big problem with this Mishna." How do you go ahead and mish treat one woman as if she's the other one? I I can't fathom it. My I think what's going on over here is is that she has an ammonos. There's an idea that maybe she's trying to be. So it's for that reason we're going to be well when the Mishna says that she's allowed to eat truma it's only that she'd be allowed to eat because we're treating her as if she's married. But if she wants to eat there's no way in THE WORLD YOU CAN'T SAY THAT this woman's allowed TO GET MARRIED AND THIS WOMAN IS 100% not allowed to get married. You have to make up your mind. You can't have a disaster. You could say and you could even carve out the and say only being for one and not for the other. But as it relates to saying that she has an ammon for herself but she doesn't have an ammon for the mafular but then he says I'm not sure maybe. Yeah. So at first glance I think I have a and is from the famous case of what's the case? There were two roads. One of the roads had to there was so much to that road that if a person walked down that road it was inevitable not possible that it became to either way two people walked down the two roads and then they were both Isaac and Tyrus anymore is that in the event that the two people went to a and asked the shil but they didn't ask it at the same second they didn't ask it at the same time the is the is that each person is going to be considered to be tired why because each person was tired you have a suffic now whether something happened so YOU HAVE A EACH PERSON IS GOING TO BE OKAY. Don't you see from here? Even though it's impossible that they're both t one of them is special but as long as he didn't ask the cash in the same second they didn't come to the rub of so this person is going to walk out tar that person's going to walk out now over here and WAS SPLITTING THE BABY IN F and was saying that yeah you're going to be tired and you're going to be tired you see I don't care and if that's the case as it relates to this Mishna it COULD BE YEAH THIS WOMAN'S allowed to get married midday rice and this woman is ALLOWED TO EAT TRUMA THAT SHE'S STILL MARRIED. But then says, but I'm not sure. You know why? Because it's that when it comes to in the event you would have two people that have the same where it's inevitable, it's inevitable that one of these two people are it's that both of these people are over there. You wouldn't say they're both Tommy. So it's fake. But what if Ruben and Chim both have a suffix and we know for sure one of them is you can't say they're both because you know for sure them one says I'm very confused over here. I'm not sure what to do. I'm thinking that when it comes to you can't just go ahead and be and therefore that when we say if she was maybe it's only true with but then again I have on the one from I see that if they don't ask the question at the same time they're both going to be assumed to be but again from I see that even if they ask the question at different times being that one of them is you're not going to say it's so which one is it That was the resop that's why he wasn't sure what to do over here and Z says let me explain to you what's going on in this and let me tell you what the is that that's if wants to go ahead now and issue a they WANT TO SAY I'M TELLING YOU THIS IS the way it is they can't issue a mid where it's going to be a tart disaster for two people and THAT'S WHY THE RE SAID I here that this woman stands in front of a court and bezen is going to say you're a puya you can go ahead and get married you're married 100% you could even eat because how could be best issue that's going to affect two people in two contradictory ways I can't hear such and it's for that reason said what are you saying it's not True is not a because what happens by [gasps] what happens by is is that you have a suffic I'm not sure did the person come to me did the person not come to me what do we say here's the punch line it's what's I have no idea WHAT HAPPENED SO IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED YOU LEAVE it the way it is needs a car that you go bust to the status quo and being that I don't know what happened. I have no idea how it spilled how this whole story played itself out. So just leave it the way it is. But when Bezdon passins your tar because I have a suffic if you ever became tar your tar because I have a saf in those situations NOT PASING JUST SAYING I DON'T KNOW SO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS. THE FACT THAT BEZON would have a tit in terms of how it's going to play itself out, that doesn't bother me cuz it's not that's not in fact if you wanted I'm going to tell you what the is [laughter] that it's when it comes to you can have a toy WHEN YOU HAVE THE SAME CASE like but if it's you're not going to say what's the it's because that we Treat the person as if he's Tommy. And by the way, so you see that's what's going on in this on the one hand I have on the other hand I have the two cases. But the way the Schmita learns it up in that what was saying was that is not is the case OF because you don't find that ising a case of disastery and the reason is because all it is just leave it the way it is as opposed to you're allowed to get married or which that's a that's a ding that we're invoking and that we're using over there. You wouldn't be able to do it when it's and really is that is fundamentally different fundamentally different than a regular when Bezdon says and when they say let's leave this at it the gather of what Bezdon is doing is not that they're saying we're pasing this the way it is and even though it's means But the gather of the and the gather of the is not is not that we have a but rather there's a that when we don't know what to do what we do is we live it right you know in the real world if you don't know what to do you have to do something right the theoretical world but bez has to do something you know bez paid THE BIG BUCKS TO THEY GOT TO DO SOMETHING but they HAVE NO MAHALIK THERE'S THAT WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, JUST LEAVE IT AT THE status quo. But is not based on any it's not it's not a bearer of any sorts because how in the world is a just think about it for a second. Things change all day every day, right? So just because something was some away yesterday that means that's the way IT IS NOW. NONE OF us it's not being it's just a hug. I don't know what to do. YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA. YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA. TELL ME. I'm I'm WILLING TO LISTEN. BUT THE end of the day is if we don't have a better So then what we go ahead and what we do is we either way that says >> [snorts] >> the true is better than [laughter] you know why is better than Kazak the reason is better than Kazak is because the holy of is that WHEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO do but to the extent I have a I know what to do and being THAT I KNOW WHAT TO do so that's what I'm going to go ahead head and that's what I am going to do. The reason is is because only works but there's no bearer when there's a bearer there you go at the end of the day from what you see is that is a mav is not there's no way to learn from that would be mav [laughter] from kazaka you could learn if there's something called a kazak there would be something called a but at the end of the day when I have the re that I have works better than the kazaka because roy is mavar is not and I can't learn being AVAR that's why even though we know we still need you know why we need we need we need to know that has the ability to be mav we need to know that has ability to and by the way the reason is from the fact that I know that has ability to be once I know because the is is that is when I don't know what to do. I know there's a beer called so now I do know what to do. But here's the bottom line. The bottom line is not the beer of is better than the beer of if that's what it meant. If I know the I would know the bear of that was based on this that really that is that I only work with I have no beer and that's why when I have a and I have a bearer there's no for but at the end of the day and are fundamentally different one is a mav and the other one is not a mav It's for that reason even though I would know I would have no way of knowing because how could I learn that something is from something that in itself is not either way I think it's posit that I'll pe this and I'll pe this red it's the from the and from the in the beginning of and it's really from And that is that means doesn't go bus doesn't go bus either because she says that doesn't go the ter is the ter is two different things no says I don't go what is saying is I don't think has the ability to be to me there's a philosophic but the bottom line is at the end of the day I still SEE A SUFFIC BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT in Raa's world there's no kazaka well if there's no kazak WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO when you're not sure WHAT TO DO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO RA ALSO HAS TO HAVE A fallback option what mayor's court when they didn't know what to do they said I don't know go kill yourselves call I don't think that's what they did but and that you GO BOS IF I'm both and one is a better and you find doesn't hold the m you can't hold of the last two completely different tracks. It's true doesn't hold a deer of still has to have a parish of that's the of why even though he's but at the same time also holds a think it's posit which is based on we just mentioned the but there's other for this as well that you see this idea that are completely different so again what's the what's the takeaway today's dwas really a tale of two zilbased day even though come together how much they come together even says because how could you learn one without the other the two they're literally literally literally one and the same but at the end of the day as much as they're one and the same. They're fundamentally different because and says that when in doubt, this is the way you should go about it. BUT THERE'S ZERO bear taking place when you have a is they're both tools that were used by to go about and to tell what you're supposed to do, but at the end of the day, they're not one and the same. that doesn't go bus yet DOES GO A DESPITE THE FACT THAT IN THE WORLD of wins all day every day now the truth is does really win all day every day no there's one that is not better than that's but right but either way again this was just a a short the shortest version possible with a little bit of ra of olive as it relates to the rest of the raid. Again, every single line here is a by the way just to appreciate a little bit better. We had 10 m, right? 10 m. If you look at and they have cashes how come we have mentioned this, how can we mention that? So let me buy all the sugas that we spoke about just from going through the gamar. If you went through the gamar with tfis, you'd throw in another 25 gma and all the red and all the different permutations of of when you go and the Russian of this touches on all the but for now we are going to stop Yeah.