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Today's is
and we will begin from the Mishna on the
last line of Zion. So we know that not
all parts of a kosher animal is kosher.
There's the certain fats of the animal
that are not kosher. The dam of a kosher
animal is not kosher. The ganosho is not
kosher. the and the dam are unique that
in addition to to them being
they carry the of so if somebody eats of
a kosher animal or if somebody eats dam
of a kosher animal if he does a
if he does a like
he would have to bring aas so and dam of
a kosher animal are similar in that they
both areus and they both are stating
that says the that although are very
similar, they're not the same.
has a that doesn't have and has a
doesn't have
if somebody would have the the
of the of a that's he would violate the
which means if he did a bash he would
have to bring the special
with the
et
of a that's subject to the laws of pigle
to the laws of noiser and to the laws of
which means that if you have a carbon
that's pigle where is if somebody eats
it even if someone would eat the you
would beg if you have a carbon that's
if somebody eats the he'd be over and if
somebody's and he eats the of a carbon
he would be for that as well as opposed
to by there's
And is not subject to the laws of
it's
whether they're kosher animals or
non-cos animals
opposed to which is only
so again even though very similar but
they each have their own over the other
has that subject to the laws
these are real fa
They all relate to the of a carbon as
opposed to dam has a dam is
by doesn't matter if it's a kosher
doesn't matter if it's a non-coosher as
opposed to which is only and even that
only by a kosher says the
first that was mentioned in this was a
over and that is that this by and the
question is that it's mash that the of
all are subject to the laws of not only
and the truth is that the when it talks
about the refers to the asmal
understood to mean
stating that from the it sounds like the
laws of relate to all even the of now is
not a why not zashi says because kachum
is which sounds a little bit like
throughout who holds that is but
regardless the question is how do you
know that even
which is note
has the of the
says
the context is the power that's the
special that the had to bring if he did
an
And the Torah says that he has to bring
a power. And then the Torah says that
when he brings this power, you take the
and there's a bunch of that have to be
burnt on the right. Some of it is eaten
by the and some of it had to be burnt on
the and then the says that you should be
just like of so you should be and asks
what are we learning from the what does
the mean when it says that beim of the
just like you're being of if it's coming
to tell me which amim is supposed to be
macked the already said that if you go
through the pik the pik says exactly ly
what you're supposed to be and then the
says just like you of the so you should
be the of the what is that coming to be
to tell me which the already specified
which says the even though the simple
reading the seems to be saying that is
teaching something to really it's
[clears throat] in the reverse the
reason the mentioned
is to teach me regarding that there's
something in that you would have thought
does not relate to does relate to what
is that
just
because it's
for sure
subject to
so
even though it's
still it's going to be subject to so the
question was immediately how do you know
that which is
subject of to the terra
that talks about the
relates of the imm which really teaches
me nothing must be
instead of learning something about the
mashiach from the we learned something
about the from the mashiach specifically
the mashia is subject to the laws of the
is going to establish
very nice but is there something wrong
with the that said it says in the and we
learn from
is extra and it's coming to teach me
even of what do you need this
to tell me that such as subject to the
laws of it's a re in the par of that
says that even
we only had that second I would have
thought
I would have thought
of
go on despite the subject despite the
fact that it's but what about the that
are not meaning there were that were
included in the im that went but in
addition to the there were other parts
of the animal that also went on the misb
for example theas
theeras which is the diaphragm
the two kidneys which also went on you
can't be that
is being of the included in the but what
about the are that's why to tell me that
all the of the apply to the as well not
only the
I mean I would have thought
alo the less of the the of the of the
tail which is not existent by the I
would have thought that being that it
does not go on the so it shouldn't go on
either
to tell me that even these two to teach
me that
of the
of
the why do I need both the why I need
both. If I only had one, I wouldn't know
the if I only had the other one, I would
not know the between the two, I know
that all the whether it's the whether
it's the of the whether it's the
any part of the of the are subject to
the laws of
says the
if you're telling me that is coming to
the of the that's what the came out in
the so if that's the case then the of
the of the should be included in the as
well which says that if somebody eats
certain
and we know that you're allowed to eat
the
so the answer is it says
the only type of that is
that the and the all have of is only by
the you don't have it by the that's why
even though we're being
to the
but at the same time as relates to the
included is at a different
is called but it's called it has the
surname it's not called when the talks
about the [clears throat] talks about
is not called
That doesn't make sense because if
you're telling me that can't be included
in the because it's called and it's not
called then how are you being from the
that says
is also
so
if you can't be
to the then how could it be
to the says
to tell me that there's going to be an
evil
by
must be you have to say the ter is like
either way that concludes the first part
of the ds again the mishna was
discussing the [snorts] differences
between and are very similar they're
both parts of a kosher animal that
you're not allowed to eat you have to do
nikor to remove the you have to do malik
to remove the d they both carry a harsh
punishment of
if you would eat either one of them
you'd have to bring a that's why
throughout you find
etc stating that
the first
is it sounded like that all every
whether it's or whether it's whether
it's which is or whether it's according
to is if somebody would have
he would be subject to the laws of
how do you know that the
at the end of the day it boils down to
two. One is a compassion where the talks
about the says take all day.
And then it says
which is teaching me nothing must be
that just like the of the
subject to the so the of the subject as
well. Additionally, we have a
rabbi is not only
but even to be what do you need two
forms gave that either way. So the said
that
has that we just discussed
and the subject to the laws of
how do you know that is not subject to
the laws of how do you know that is not
subject to
first
my brother says says
it says
that's a real
learn
from this
that come out of this. But for now what
we need is the refers to the carbon and
says
what does mean it's yours?
It's yours. meaning there's no way that
if you would have from the you wouldn't
be over to the typical
which you would have if you would be
from
it says
that this is something that
isap and it's only with regards to that
it has the beer and the Joshua but as it
relates to doesn't have kadusha the
whole kadusha is manifest as it relates
to being but as it relates to anything
else even
who who
It says
who means it's always the same
he was a Russian
says right so who
just like after you do this reco if
somebody would have enough from the dam
he wouldn't be
so too if somebody would have no from
the dam before he did this there
wouldn't be either says
why don't you say that d is no different
than any other part of the carbon
Therefore, it's subject to the laws of
it says who maybe who in the reverse
meaning you're assuming for sure
there's no thus if you have who if
there's no there can't be either because
who means it's consistent how do you
know how do you know for sure that
there's no
maybe there is if that's the case maybe
D hasap
and it's consistently that way because
Even this says that can't be because
there's a principle in that says that
any of anything that's hectish that is
hectish for a purpose and you fulfill
the purpose with it, it loses it at that
point or at the very least it loses its
kadoo as relates to. So
is to be brought once it's loses its
from the perspective. You can't be in
after it was already
there's no who tells me that has to be
consistent whatever is to be
for sure there's no
there's not going to be a but is that
true is what true that
is going to digress for a little Sorry.
You find that even after you do the
mitzvah of still on the dash itself. So
what was that? That was the first that
was done every single day in the B would
go up the ramp. They make a who should
do the sadash. He would go up he would
take a like a scoop full of dash and put
it next to the he would remove all the
dash. That would be a big job. But he
take a little bit of dash and he put it
next to the and say that thera says
that was yesterday's and we learn from
there
and and we learn from there but that has
to remain there remain there meaning you
can't benefit from it personally.
So you see that even though you did
still it could be a problem.
We're assuming this.
What about
it's true
in it's true that is an example of where
you find but the problem is that there's
another place in the you also find
and counterintuitively if the tells you
something twice it means you can't learn
anything from it. Usually if the
terrorist says something you learn from
it. It's one of
it's called
but if the terrorist says something two
times then you have of
what's the second time? The second time
is regarding the big day love and that
the used to wear in your couldn't enter
the with the big days of
remind
of the so therefore before he entered
the he removed the big days of and he
entered with the big day. What happened
to the big day after yum? So the says
and is in whether means it had to be
left there forever. Nobody was ever
allowed to benefit from it or just means
that the himself couldn't use it for the
next couldn't wear the same k the same
big day loving that he wore the previous
year but if a wanted to use it he could
use it. So it says the according to the
that holds that no one was ever allowed
to use the big day once the gold means
it's going to be there forever. No one
can ever use it. [snorts] So if that's
the case, you see that you have
and if that's the case, you have
because you have
and now you have the big the big
that's only
then no one's ever allowed to wear it
again.
It's only the God himself that's not
allowed to wear it again. bit of a kind
[laughter] wants to wear it, he can then
vice vers
that he can't wear it a second time
meaning it's only one that
is if that's the case why don't we learn
from there that
says
This is another and that is elahufa
was also meaning the eagle itself after
the process of beheading the eagle was
done the says he can't have from the
eagle or from the everything is off
limits it doesn't make sense if there's
a principle of
so why is there an with the after the of
the eagle already took place now is
there
It really depends whether it's or it's
not we spoke about this but the point is
for now is so you see a concept of
and quote unquote
so it's
you can't learn from there now the ask
the always asks when it mentions
that says Again,
what's the cash? Why is it so that
I have two in the where you find
after the did the mitzvah with the
says is you can't touch it. You can't
have enough from it. And then you see it
again by the
or maybe you see it by the but the point
is is that if you hold
to learn from these two parades.
The reason is is because you can't learn
from any one of these parses.
as it relates to its
only here you have this ordinarily which
you only have here that even though it's
not
going to be but as relates to anywhere
else in
the rulers and
I mean that it says over there it's for
that reason that over there you're going
to have that same as well either way
says the gimar
We have three
to teach me the that there's no the
question was why is there no you can't
be in hectish there's nothing more
hectish than d in a way is the dam is
the right when you remember it's all
about the everything else is the is the
is the right everything is a to the is
the
that's that's the so if that's the case
How's it possible that there's no when
it comes to that? And the said three
said that the Torah says
you see the
I could I to benefit from it.
They said it says
that it's true that has but only forap
not for and finally said it says whoap
it's there's no because then it's going
to be ais
and any
what do you mean
but the bottom line is those are
exceptions to the rule as it relates to
the rule. The rule is
and who means it has to be consistent
means also it's going to be in a way
where there's no but now is
meaning all three seem to be very solid
you have you have and you have so three
different sources and the to tell me how
I know that there's no but the garra is
bothered by that the thinks that
and all acknowledge the other and if
that's the case why do we need three and
with that the is going to conclude it
discussions
you're right don't need three
so what I do with the other two I
learned the other of the said that
there's four critical sug and that don't
relate to the d you don't have m you
don't have pigle you don't have noer and
you don't have to now that I have three
we thought all three were coming to
explain one no we can reconcile it and
we can say that the three relate to the
three of the Mishna one is coming to
tell me that there's no one's coming to
tell me there's no nicer and the other
one's coming tell me there's no what's
the problem said four the said mah
pickle nicer and all you have is three
dashes so how do you know that there's
no piggle when it comes to this is 101.
We know that pigle is all about matter
and n the in that idea that we need for
this line in g is that the only part of
a carbon that's subject to the is a
pigle meaning if someone would eat from
a car that part of a carbon pickle would
be is only a part of a carbon that's it
needed something to be mate so for
example the buser of a carbon needs
something to be mate what's m
The
is the thus the is
so to speak it's something that is has
something being mate and as a result
it's subject to the laws of pigle theim
have something that's mim
until you do this so there too it's
thatim on the so any of that needs
something to be mate the
is m so anything that has something
being m it that has a has something
being mad
etc etc the point is is that nothing's
the dam doesn't need an to be mo to eat
you don't need it to go into doesn't
need anything to be mo to go into as a
result it's
and is not subject to the I'll need a
for that that's
101 so I have a for the fact that
there's no fact that there's no there's
no as it relates to piggle. I don't need
a Joshua. And on that note,
so the now is going to make one of the
great digressions of all time. And we're
going to turn our attention from the of
[laughter]
the
I mean if you want to look at the the
broader context of school we're learning
about and
what are we going to learn about now the
next 12 or so do are going to be
hardcore sis with regards to tumra
But either way, [laughter]
actually a little bit of an introduction
that is so we're familiar with the basic
concept of
and to the extent we're not we'll become
a lot more familiar with it over the
next uh two or so weeks but just as a to
this Mishna we know that food can become
to food can also transmit to it's what's
known as
in order for food to become to or to
transmit to it has to A proper the as it
relates to is a
even though usually but as it relates to
this is
the also has to aur
in a sense in that it's a source of toma
right there are different sources of
toma a mace is a source of toma a sheret
is a a source of toma a zava zava a need
These are all they're sources of
also. It's one of the big differences
between a and a tra and a trava both
they're both the significant difference
being a and is that in addition to aa
being it's also so we you learn about
when you learn and you also learn a lot
about when you go through sugis of
because na is something that really
straddles two worlds it straddles the
worlds of of sassur and of as opposed to
a tra had a kish in the sense that it
was
the
but as relates to there's no but the
point is that what's the as relates to
so the
that the first sug
is going to discuss is what if you have
food that has something attached to it
something naturally attached attached to
it. So for example, the pit of a fruit.
So the pit is it part of the fruit or is
it not part of the fruit as it relates
to
and really you have to look at it from
three perspectives. Is a part of the
fruit
says
number two what happens if the pit
touches do
the fruit now become if it's part of the
fruit the fruit touch the dot. If it's
not part of the fruit then the fruit did
not touch a dom. What if the fruit was
tame and the pit of the tummy fruit
touch something that was tar? Does that
do to now become to did it come in
contact with the data to depends if the
pit is part of the fruit that it came in
contact with the data to if it's not
part it didn't become part of the that's
one thing that's going to be discussed
another be discussed is what about the
peel but the peel of a fruit or let's
say the skin of baser the skin of an aa
for that matter the so how do you look
at the do you look at the as being part
of the baser or do you not look at it
part of again three as it relates to the
shir as it relates to if the buser was
to and now the came in contact with Tom
does it now become to or in reverse if
the buser was to and came in contact
with the would it be to or not what
about the here let's say there's a
little fuzz on the on the fruit but
let's say well let's say the hear of the
of of an how does that relate as it
relates to
as we'll see there are three categories
when you talk about things that are
attached
The first such as a pit is what's
referred to as a yad. The yad is
something that's used just to be able to
handle to handle the fruit. So a pit is
part of the fruit in the sense that you
can carry the fruit by holding not the
pit the right by by the stem. I keep
saying the pit it's the stem. You can
car you can carry the fruit by carrying
it by holding on to the stem. It's
considered a y the of buser for example
is considered part of it because it's a
meaning it's a y you can carry obviously
the bus by holding the but it's also a
in the sense that it protects it and
then something like here it's not really
a yad it doesn't really protect it so
it's really going to be three categories
when you talk about things that are
with regards to the threeas that we just
mentioned so you have you have to look
at what that thing is does it fall into
the category of yad it's merely
something that's there for convenience
purposes to help you handle it. Is it a
a sh it's it's protecting it like the
peel, like the skin, or is it none of
the above? Regardless, on that note,
the of
the
we know what that is.
That's the little bit of buster that
falls to the bottom of the pot.
Thear is going to discuss what is
and the bones
and the horns.
So if you have an and you want to know
whether this has
you want to know if it has a sheer so
the and the
but if you want to know if you have the
another difference between
somebody and he does
and it's still alive
it's going to
is going to discuss this.
There's no veils until it actually dies.
If it's says there'll be
and what you see from these two cases
mentioned in the is that it's easier for
something to become
than it is. The first is you see all the
things mentioned the etc are to
and then the second which we don't know
what that means now you see also it
relates to
the point is that's what we need to know
is
another says as it relates to the says
if it's gathered together
then it's possible that you will be
Everything will be discussed in the
Gmorra. But the first which is going to
be the topic of the beginning of the par
and that is
that
for the so if you have and this or
attached to it or this keepa that was
cooked with it and now it's on it or the
horns the hooves of the so you want to
know if you have the bay for
but if you want to know if you have the
is not
This Mishna supports something that's
what does it say in a
something that's a
is for the of
is considered
but it's not for it's not to the of
which is considered to incidentally why
is considered a and why is Na considered
to so this easy answer is is because Na
is a source source of toma. It's a tom
is like anita. It's a source of toma.
It's like a it's like a mace. That's
what it is. It's dead that animal. It's
like a mace. The point is is that it's a
source of toma is never a source of how
does food become. How has an apple
become to? It would come in contact with
so it would have to be wet first and
then afterwards it would become but
either way. So
in general is you see from our that the
iso
it's not for now which parts of the
Mishna is are considered. So the say the
two things in the Mishna the is
the skin protects the food and are
considered as well. So the fact that
you see
how do you know that's a ton of
so sounds a little wordy. It is and were
bothered by it right
means something that grows. What is
coming to teach me? Now this says to
how's the possible
the context of the
are when they're dead. So the of one of
the fell on
I mean how's it possible that it's going
to be? What's the answer? Or wet.
In order for food to become, it has to
first be wet. The bum has to be okay
with it.
See, it has to be okay with it. But the
point is is that if it wasn't wet then
is but either way bothered with the
wordiness of this
you know it's coming to tell me it's
coming to tell me that when you look at
the food from a perspective as this is
discussing you look at the food in the
way that it's sewed in the way that it's
planted in the way that it's put in the
ground and
if you're planting you'll do it together
with its husk
meaning when you eat you remove its husk
then you're going to eat it you're not
going to eat it together with the kipa
you're not going to eat the dashim
together with it but when you're you
will be you don't care you'll together
with it what the is saying is that when
you look at the
from a perspective you look at it what's
what would you consider the if you were
being not if you were eating it even
though we're discussing
But it doesn't matter. How would I look
at this? What would be the what would be
part of the if I was if I was being the
would be part of the I'm not going to
remove the before I plant this. It's
part of it. If it's part of it with
regard that's
the the WHAT DEFINES THE AS it relates
to the
and therefore we say that these three
these the clipus which are the and the
anyway. So [laughter]
is is that for this year now we're
discussing that's what the is talking
about where one of the fell on it that's
good oldfashioned.
So you see the clear
how do you know that
it says regarding the
so that's the disc discusses not the
but rather [snorts] the of and the says
of as opposed to if somebody would touch
the that doesn't have a baser and it
sounds like even if the is
But if you don't have a buser and you
come in contact with the no you have to
touch the actual not touching the
I would think if somebody touches
[snorts] the animal
sounds like you're not touching the
buser I would think you're not
so at the same time you have a boy that
says
So
is the say how do you just how do you
read this price
you read the price [snorts]
of
the first B is coming to say that if
somebody would touch an he would touch a
but it's only with meaning there's no
together with you have a [snorts]
no that is coming to
What about if you had a and you now
touched the
I would think that being that you
touched the you didn't touch the buser
itself you shouldn't be
mean you shouldn't even look at the as a
handle of this say that through touching
the earth it's as if I touched the
as it relates to that it is going to be
considered as if you touched the bosser
in other words what the B is saying is
two very important which which is going
to segue very much into tomorrow's duff
and that is is that the of an aa on the
one hand is not considered part of the
noa with regards to tum on the other
hand it is considered part of the as it
regard as it relates to in the sense
that it's not to the kazay it's not
considered part of the bos has a has a
shir so the shar of na is a kaz what if
I have less than a kaza but is
that is you're not going to have too
much. So the is not considered part of
the NA as it relates to being mitarif to
the kaz but at the same time it is
considered part of the na in the sense
that if I have a kazer anyways and I
don't need the to be mitarif because it
can't be mistarif but the question is
did I touch the bus or not touch the bus
or if I touch it via the it's as if I
touch the bus so the first first part of
the race is coming to tell me that the
is not mitarif the second part of the is
coming to tell me that even though it's
not mitarif it's considered part of the
in terms that if I touch the without
making direct contact to the buser is as
if I touch the bus. Bottom line is is we
had a we have two bry. One bri is a that
formal
is that the isar and I have another that
tells me that as it relates to the ve
the is not the says I'll call
I'll call
that teaches me that when you're looking
at what's the is what would be
considered if you were coming to plant
it being that you plant it together with
it together with it the kipa is the at
the same time as it relates
It says
that it can't bear. Either way, this is
very much a segue into tomorrow's stuff.
So, as it relates to raid, yesterday
in a raid bite that we refer to as
Coca-Cola part two, we discussed
the history of the kashras of gelatin
and to a much lesser degree glycerin.
At first glance, gelatin and glycerin,
which are
in that they're both animal non-coosher
animal byproducts,
you would think would be problematic
because there's a general principle
to anything that comes from a
non-coosher animal is non-coosher. And
based on that very very broad 20,000 ft
view this whole discussion should really
be dead on arrival. stating that we
mention that there are two very strong
to potentially be make number one inb
in sim
discusses a case where somebody took the
ka the abism of an animal that was
salted to the point that it got
completely dried out at this point it's
it's something that a person would not
eat says that It's to go and be together
with and you're not going to be over the
is but this is something that's brought
down in the
by the Rama. It would seem then that
there's an idea that if you have
that come to the point where right now
they're in
that in it of itself would be a to say
that maybe it would be mutter. Now we
mentioned that the ina
said a very important caveat the not
such fine print in terms of
understanding this Ram theuda said that
the raka
with regards to and the reason is
because that ka that's being now with
the that's creating the woke up in the
morning
it was really regular kosher food which
means then that at the time that it's
becoming it's already in a state where
it's
could be it's then and only then that
is it's not going to be a problem. If
however you would have
something that came literally from
something that's also which woke up in
the morning it was already a problem.
Now it became
could be the fact that it later became
any is not enough to be from its soil is
a says that it could prevent it from
becoming but it's not as to say that if
it's already it's not going to be the is
also in the world of
inact
And went to prove that we paskin like
that rakin like that. And it's for that
reason said that this ram is a very
important ra but you have to use it
responsibly. You can only invoke this
to the extent that the
that is maybe becoming is in a state of
but if you have something that was for
sure and now it became
at that point at that point you wouldn't
say that now it's going to be but we
mentioned that despite the fact that and
issued the that he issued
But it goes down amongst the as a
and is definitely
number one because the Mishna believe
that the is not like that
based his whole on in
but rather like the ra which is the raj
and the both pasant like and you find
already
that predates
such as the who was a contemporary of
the and later the
held that as much as the said what he
said but as it relates it's not
something that we necessarily have to
take on but here's the point the point
is there is an idea based on be with a
whole that says that it could be once
becomes
at that point this is not something
that's going to be an issue anymore well
if that's the case as it relates to
gelatin And as it relates to glycerin,
these are foods that were for sure once
part of a non-coosher animal, but in the
process of becoming gelatin and
glycerin, in the process of becoming
commercially viable, they [snorts]
certainly go through a phase where
they're
and based on the
there would be a
That's the first to say that even though
you would think what do you mean it's
made of pig skins why are we even having
this conversation the terret is because
is to potentially say that it's going to
be m the second [snorts]
is the rush and paricates
quotes
who said uh
with regards to something that was
commercially very much used back in the
day and that is there was a certain
product called musk. Some people ate it,
some people used it as an odor, a
fragrance, a cologne, but musk was
something that was very popular and it
came from a non-coosher animal, the musk
deer, but it came from a a non-coosher
animal. And there was a big tuml whether
or not you're allowed to eat, you're
allowed to even smell this musk or maybe
not. And Rabina issued a very important
sack. He said that it's okay. And the
reason is because from the time that the
musk becomes commercially viable, it
goes through a complete alteration to
the point that it doesn't anymore
resemble what it was when it was inside
the gof of the non- kosher animal and
said there's a concept of
where we have a right to say that if
something came from a raser but it was
altered to the point that it no longer
resembles it somehow. Now it's
it uproots itself from its and we're no
longer going to look at it as that and
it's for that reason this mosque is
something that's going to be we
mentioned shock value we mentioned that
if you take a look at the
para of the
where one of the sim of the shamishka
was the murderer it was also one of the
11 that was inside the karus and brings
that his
what was the of it was musk. And then he
brings from Davidzra that said what?
They put musk on them as the
if a person in his basement would go and
try to replicate the
so how in the world could you tell me
that included in that was this musk that
comes from a a non-coosher animal a
proverbial gelatin it's not even
something you can fathom how could it be
and Ramb gives a little bit of an but we
mentioned that really this of his
mafarian included in that is the raaman
himself quotes it's Raom and one of the
people that had a major issue with this
was derive on that
he's based on the he doesn't but he
essentially says there's a
and even though it's true it originated
from but right now it's already kosher
and if that's the case there's no reason
there's no reason for this to be a
problem the point is as it relates to
gelatin and again
glycerin there's no question they go
through such rigorous
chemical and acidic treatment that it
would be extremely highly reasonable and
rational to assume that the ofen as it
relates to musk would apply to this as
well.
So it's true it comes from a but at the
end of the day right now it's kados and
if right now it's kadosh is based on
that you would think that would be a
very to be so we have two
that we talked about yesterday that
would lend itself to have maybe a
conversation of a
that at least allows us to sit at the
table and have an intellectually honest
debate whether or not maybe there's
mohamm to today that [snorts] what we
thought is dead on arrival, gelatin and
glycerin tra on arrival maybe really is
is not as posh as we thought number one
because even if you look at it as and
even if you look at it as a but at the
end of the day it's and if it's
well that in of itself would be a reason
for it to be additionally it could be
that we don't even see it as
because being that is. So we look at it
as a new
entity the fact that it originated from
and even though
but once it's
at that point we're going to view it
already different that was really
yesterday's share a tiny recap to segue
[snorts] into today's
another big that the pim talk about if
you go through the Indian specifically
of gelatin is that a lot of gelatin was
made from the bones of animals. And
there's a big shaw in the pkin whether
or not that of a non-coosher animal
or not meaning
are you also not eat
how do we view the
that we know but the question is as it
relates to the
or are
the truth is that if you take a look in
the and this is in this in these are
literally the sugis that we were
learning in the last couple of weeks. So
this is says
if you have a that has meat on it and
there's also bones
there that fell into a hat there
says the
When you put them on the balance sheet,
you put them on the side.
It goes without saying
as relates to the
the [clears throat] marrow that's inside
that already of that. So is the what
about the
But the says that as it relates to that
of not only don't they count as in the
world of but to the contrary we put them
on the other side they actually count as
says
there are those that are
there people that are not to be
together with the
stating
because really the is what the And
[snorts] that is that
of
are really at first glance it would seem
to be an that
are not even there's no is in the world
to go ahead and to eat of an stating
that it's really really not so and the
reason is because the
in I'm sorry the inasur's
perical says says that
he goes through the different parts of
an animal that are
in the event that this animal is and he
says as follows
right so if somebody eats not let or you
eat from a
non-cultur animal says follow
is in all those situations
even though what you did is
you're not going to get malus
because they're not royal.
So says to Raam, I have a list of body
parts of non-coosher animals. Being a
veil trait which is a kosher animal bot
or be it a legitimate bonafide non-coser
animal pun intended bonafide as it
relates to a non-coser animal where all
these things are not included in the
iser as it relates to malus but at the
same time they're going to be again
what's the list the
all these things says the
EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE
NOT going to get malus it's the raom
says It's awesome for a person to go
ahead and really ask at first glance it
seems to be a stereo
which usually follows the of the where
the says that when it comes to
the are on the side and they're actually
for all the inside to go ahead and be
which would imply that of are mut
if they count as that means they're 100%
mut says that when it comes to but at
the same time it's going to be which by
the way could mean but for sure means
how could the on the one hand who goes
say that that is
yet at the same time yet at the same
time there's a that says that if
somebody would go ahead and eat
At that point it would be us. So if you
go through the
there are two to answer this kasha
there's more than two but there's two
one mahalik that the said is that not
all were created equally. There [snorts]
are
that are mut 100%
to eat even if it comes from a
non-coosher animal or from an af. And
then there are where
at the same time it's going to be what's
the difference
of the or
if they completely dry they have nothing
in them. They're just a dry bone.
And it's those that
was referring to when the says that but
it's he's talking about that are soft
that are on some level a little bit
edible and because they're somewhat
edible. So it's for that reason those
are going to be also and that's what Ra
was referring to. It's not a steer. The
other primary mahalik in the to answer
this
is that from the fact that
says that the even of the insert count
on the side that's a that when the
[snorts] said it did not include the so
what then does the rama mean the raam
held the rael that the reasons are
considered mut is because nobody eats
and because nobody eats them it doesn't
have a kashiv of so therefore if you
drop it in a kad I don't see it as I
just see it as something that has the
ability to absorb is so therefore I
count it on the side however if a person
takes an he bites into it I enjoy the
bone right if you're that kind of guy oh
so if you enjoy the bone by you going
ahead and biting into it you're gave it
of right that's the buzz word so to the
extent that you go ahead and you're
recognizing this as something that it's
really not that's something something
that in very often you have the power
you have the ability to do and it's for
that reason in that case if you go ahead
and eat it it's going to be so in the
case where it just fell into there was
never an if there was never an so then
and therefore it counts on the side of
the ledger if however you took a bite
into it that's what the Ram's talking
about
so now you were just oh to the extent
that you went ahead and you so in that
situation it's going to be different in
that situation it's it's going to be
awesome
in these two stardom would be gelatin.
So gelatin as we said very often was
made from our
meaning forget about everything else.
FORGET
FORGET LET'S GO BACK TO ITS ORIGIN.
LET'S GO BACK TO ITS ORIGIN. the
underlying
these are they user or these
it's really in this [snorts]
if you hold that the reason
that
says
that
is because the and the were not talking
about the same. So when the Ram says he
meant
and when the passing he was talking
about well if that's the case gelatin
was made from and by the way even though
the
gelatin was made from could be
originated as rais but once it becomes
at that point it's for sure and for sure
it would be included in the test
but the bottom line is so it's evasious
is going to be if however the between
the
is not versus but the is was it an or
was it not an so then there's a mock to
say that if I'm taking these and I'm
manufacturing them I'm pulling out the
collagen I'm literally processing them
in a way because I want to use them so
could be
or at the very least that's an and to
the extent that that would could send it
and so then that summap would be but the
bottom line is that this was another
huge talking point in the sugo
specifically of gelatin which very often
was made from the and there there's an
an additional
a third reason in terms of the way we're
keeping score for why maybe the gelatin
would be motor and that is forget the
fact
forget
of
it could be there's a a new time a new
reason why and that is because if it's
made from assuming these have no buser
on them no skin on them and they're
they're 100% dry when it comes to is a
special
and being that there's a special when it
comes to again totally in a little bit
of raid but at the very least you can
always turn to the sim
that says If I'm going to be okay. So
again, what seemed like a conversation
that should be done then on arrival and
I'm pretty confident that if you ask the
man on the street is gelatin kosher or
not kosher he's going to say
right he's going to he's not even going
to want to have a conversation with you
but really really
there's three that you can go to to at
the very least have an open honest
intellectual conversation. Number one in
number two as quoted by the inad
and number three the
also to an extent ina
and that is that
are going to be m okay so what's what's
the bottom line I think we did a lot of
leg work did a lot of hakma and
So what's the bottom line?
When the started seeing this shah
surface back in the day, how exactly did
they go about it? So really every good
smoo on the topic of gelatin has to
start with. So [clears throat]
the great great villager
aliv all the yeshivas and all the whole
litfisher world literally relied on 100%
wrote several truas on the topic of
gelatin and you may be shocked to hear
this
was a very vocal a very adamant make
when it came to gelatin no strings
attached no bishakm He held it was 100%
m just to get a little bit of a feel of
the way went about the sugatan. So one
of the chas is in giml
it's in siml
it's oer
[snorts]
was asked about this new patent gelatin
that's being made from and he has a
whole opening paragraph in terms of the
chemical processing [snorts] that it's
going through and the sh the person who
sent the shil to he thought it should be
mut so writes back to him he says but
He says that what you said I agree with
100%. So what did he say?
He right away made a beline to the Ramon
and he said what do you mean it's
based on that it should be and writes
back to him again this is all what the
is saying but he has the
likes it he says
to the
added he said I think
that when it comes to the ones that are
made from because that's what was
described over here assuming which I
know they are
then for sure there's no
right there's no question in the world
that in that case it's going to be OKAY
that as it relates to making it from
there's no question in the world that
this in of itself is is not going to be
an issue one of the
that addresses in this cha he says maybe
there should be a of maybe
once you decide that you want these
maybe it should be okay is not getting
involved in how of the this between the
and the but at the end of the day throws
out just as a unto itself maybe there
should be enough said
he says that even though there is a
concept of
that's if you eat it as it is.
But if you're going to just take a
little component of it and put it into a
and even then you're not putting it
there because you want to eat it.
Gelatin doesn't taste like anything.
You're using it because you want it to
gel. That's literally what it's for.
It's a in a situation like that.
It doesn't even fall into
says to you 100%. There's another truth,
but this one's in also in this is in in
now this is already a little bit
different because over here the gelatin
quote unquote wasn't being made from
ats. It was being made from art. Even
though that raam threw and atom
together, but is actually a little bit
more than atomus is. But the bottom line
is this was being made from art in which
case it would be even a little bit more
either way. So the again talks to and
it's he seems to know that is a big in
fact writes to him. He says he says I
see that you already saw my
and you know my take and my opinion as
it relates to as it relates to this
whole Indian of gelatin. Now one of the
things that
brings up in this cha that he doesn't
mention in the previous chuva is that
there's a
rate if you take a look at the shock on
that the shock says to me you shouldn't
be on that it's enough so really based
on that the whole might be dead on
arrival because it's a shock again the
shock doesn't say it doesn't work but
the shock says don't be so good don't be
so
find kosher jello or kosher marshmallows
or kosher ice cream. I don't know. But
based on that, maybe it's not something
that's going to be okay. But says that
don't worry about that shak don't worry
about that shak. He says, you know what,
cuz take a look at the chuva and the
chuva brings from and from that the only
reason the shak said it should be
something that you should be nisarin is
because he was worried what would be if
the ca wasn't 100% dried out. So then it
would come
but said in all these gelatin cases it
would anyways never be because it's
always going to be bottle bats and being
that it's never going to come.
So already had that caveat on the that
said you don't have to be worried and
based on that this is not something that
I'm going to worry about says
last paragraph
he says what about you're probably
wondering I'm in all my tru is referring
to that
and I'm even getting ADDED A SHOCK BUT
WHAT ABOUT
said it only worked BY WHERE THE CA was
mut so once it's ready
can't become awesome. But if something
was based on
that we spoke about for a half hour
yesterday
[laughter]
was already
brought from other
and he says besides by other Even
but he says besides over here we already
had
chemically it was already altered.
I think in this situation even the night
is going to be my you know why because
it's
so I'm telling you
is kosher so really
as it relates to being on the kulas
of gelatin was none other than the great
litfisher gan POK had and that is Moisa.
Another one of the very important Min in
the Sugi of Jelatin was the G of London
Talmud Brisker. Another one of the great
great liter the author of the
onaK
he too wrote a truva. Now it's
interesting the trua that wrote was
written to rebel valdenberg about and
it's printed
of now he starts off as follows. It's
very interesting he says
it's borrowed to me that the gelatin
that
is made from is not a new creation.
that you could say that it's right
that it's something completely new. The
gelatin
because the way I see gelatin said is
that really it's included in the
originally
all these chemicals that are added to
it.
I don't think this is saysky
because in my opinion the way I see the
gelatin is is that whatever is there the
collagen it was always in the and really
all the chemicals are doing is just
separating they're not transforming
they're not creating they're not
physically or chemically altering what
they're doing is just separating taking
something that was so to speak and being
maf with it. So now all of a sudden it's
not going to be part and parcel
says
stating that
stating that I think it's anyways
and he goes ahead and he writes a whole
says even though I don't think the
is a is a over here he didn't get
involved in the but as it relates to
that one of the three saras that we
mentioned I don't think is a but at the
same time as far as I know the gelatin
being made from atamas now again not all
gelatin was made from but a [snorts] lot
of it was and the ones that I made for
and the reason is because and then he
writes a whole langu and the upshot of
the tru is is that it's in the mut
again he has a whole pimple but the way
he answers the cash is it's not fair
because talking about and
was talking about and gelatin is made
from and based it's an off that it's
going to be and don't and he has again a
whole tr on this but the bottom line is
he comes out
Then at the end he says that you know
I'm just a little bit nervous because
I'm hearing that you know a lot of
people think that it's really and they
can't fathom they just don't understand
how something like this could possibly
be mut and they're making a big tommo.
This was going on in America big time
and these rabbis they're corrupt and
they're on the take and someone's paying
them all. Right? There was a lot of this
stuff that was going on back in the day
and sham or don't be in sham. [laughter]
But the bottom line is he says so based
on that it could be there's like a to be
m he says but you want to know what I
think as far as gelatin goes 100%
there's no question in the world I think
that this is something that's going to
be m another chuva that I think that's
worth referencing is a chuva that was
written by hagod the g ofimi
pes frank and this is printed in it's in
siml the name of the
gelatin. So this is ice cream that they
mix together with gelatin and the if you
go through is
made by the way listen to the shil that
was even asked
gelatin. So I'm talking about different
ice creams that are sold and these ice
creams are made with the dust gelatin
the right this where does it come from
the gelatin
it comes from literally I mean this is
the question that was presented it comes
from the
and he goes on to explain how they
converted from a literally literally a
pork chop all of a sudden into suddenly
going into your kosher ice cream. It's
my bargain. But this is the way the goes
ahead and he sets it up and says to me
I'm going to tell you what it's this is
the way I see the to me it in
he talks about the became 100% and he
says it's even though the says I'm not
worried about that but the bottom line
is that's to ME WHAT IT'S STOLEN MY
PROMISE is because that you can't be on
that said it's only true by the which is
now that It's maybe it can't become if
it's something that was like so maybe it
has no way of becoming even if later
becomes
said really it's up to you you want to
be
I'm not so comfortable saying that
because really IT COMES DOWN TO THIS are
you going to take on
or you going to go like many other by
the way one of the pkim that a lot of
the pkim held was they had a riot from a
shakim we didn't talk about that
yesterday but it could be the shock is
also on the ledger of which would
bolster that other side big time. But
the bottom line is it's really it's a
big
and it's not something that I'm so
comfortable getting involved in. And
then at the end he says but I would just
look into one more thing and that is you
know this whole sh of is where
to the extent that it becomes
that's
then it's already less. He says to me it
sounds like this goes through a phase
where it's not even royal
and to the extent that it's not even
going to be royal
you know at that point I think it's
going to be even more kitic. So he says
I don't know I'm not in a position now
to have the time to look into this but
he tells the find out and he says you
can do it with orv
go ahead and find out see if a dog would
eat it. If a dog would not eat it then
it would be
and then even
this is a whole another angle that even
would be bottom line is again
was approaching it with
again assuming you're willing to go away
from the but the bottom line is again
the idea is just to get a little bit of
a time what's going on was all in all
incl Branson's bead
the was his big to be which would only
help you for the gelatin that's made
from [snorts]
thought that you know if you're willing
to go that would be a and in his mind
it's this is in which case this is 100%
going to be m but the bottom line is we
just mentioned three of the biggest of
all time that for sure had a as it
related to the entire sugatin.
The truth is if you go through all the
piskim you'll be shocked you'll be
stunned at how many pisk held that
gelatin was mut it's a hall of fame list
of gelkim
you know fast forward to more
contemporary times the definitive tru
that was written on this topic was
written by and that's the we referenced
yesterday it's in
anyone that's interested in being
on this topic should go through that
chuva from the first word until the very
last word and one thing that you're
going to see over there is is that was
and the way he sets up the chuva is
really the way we set up these raid
bites we plagiarize it's the way we set
up these raid bites and that is there's
three
to go ahead and to be number one there's
the ramon
number two there's raven and number
three there's and in the world of raf it
was check check He held that all three
tus were 100% m everything is m he held
we don't pass in like four pages proving
that we don't go like this
the world he brought from
that went
and as far as goes it was part to him
that is not a problem by the way one of
the ters that says that's so shar he
says that you know as it relates to
there are people that say how could you
is based on the test. It's
says how in the world could you be on
that
says that it's right. So he said two
different and maybe that's
says he says it's to me he said I don't
think the right is there anyone who
understood the psychology of the better
than in the last uh
100 years I don't think anybody so says
let me tell you what the was doing he
wasn't passing like the ra he knew the
ra's not like him he was passing like
the rajbah he says the raj says
that are always mut It's a
but says yeah. He says everybody made a
choice because [laughter] everybody
thought that the always goes with the
ram. Similarly was a STE AND NOBODY
WANTED TO TAKE ON THIS without
recognizing there's a ra and that's why
there was so many and a lot of these
ended up and based on that you're going
to have a problem ALL THESE DIFFERENT HE
GOES I HOLD IT'S A
never meant
and then he has in parenthesis a whole
we're ready the
knew that very often the meant the raja
not the ra this is not just a gelatin
this is nea
all the but the bottom line is he never
meant the
and he said if that's THE CASE IT'S AN I
DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT SO YOU'RE GOING TO go the bottom
line is goes he's make all over the
place and this is the last line of the
now
he says
that he was also and there's a gillion
here that was written by
this is a little number and the last
line of the trua
this writing who's the
who's
he was also so you have in more
contemporary times and you have the
titzer in contemporary times and you
have dian fisher in contemporary times
and they will all make an incredible and
is a flatout. It's an all-encompassing
all-inclusive under
so [snorts] it's it's a it's a double
right because no one in the world
there's no mainstream cautious
organization that would even entertain
giving a hashk there's no uh
in the world of controversial kash
topics this is the a voiceky [snorts]
pes I mean for sure because that's an
all-encompassing
and then there's again there's a whole
list of of who's who of that held with
and fast forward to
and
they all went ahead and were so what's
going on with it? How did gelatin become
such a problem? Where did it come from?
Where did it come from? So the short
answer is the short answer is you know
where it came from? It came from two
American
that were very very
it was mosha fee and it was and they
held very very strongly that gelatin is
and it's because of that that the
went ahead and they were and by the way
these of go back
are 1950s 1960s they go back a very very
long time I mean this is uh you know
early stage American jewelry in terms of
you know the way it developed to where
it is today and already at that time at
that time you know when Mosha was
writing chu that people said he didn't
really mean but he was only doing it
because you know of the American Jews it
was at that kufa that was being mach on
on gelatin and Rabarin was Makma gelatin
and it's really based on that that the
American cautious organizations go full
stop and say that it's problem but the
question is why right I mean how you
make sense of it at the end of the day
there's three very compelling arguments
to be made to say that it should uh it
should be mut so why have such a surah
right I mean where's where's it coming
from so let's see I mean as it relates
to the in
so you could always argue that there's
right you could always say there's and
being that there's so based on that
based on that we're going to suggest
we're going to argue that it's not so
that you could so That's that was they
held that they didn't want to go to
lakehuda
was willing to go to lake behud the
marsh was willing to go to lake behudah
is open to the possibility of going to
lakehuda
this willing to go to lakehuda and this
is what it boiled down to no jello for
you because I'm not willing to go to
lakehuda is that what's going on over
here is that what's going on over the
emphasis if you go through the truth for
raosha and by the [snorts] Right. Ramosa
never wrote a full chuv gelatin. There's
some hack on this but Ramosa never you
have to speak to the Ramos never wrote a
proper chuva. He throws it in and I saw
three places where he just like oh by
the way but you would have thought that
I mean we have chuvas on sher cask and
mish everything that was very important
at that time. There was a reason the de
claimed did not want to write a chuva
against gelatin. Again this is be way
beyond the scope of this share but the
bottom line is is that
but in those chas there was a said and
really in his spoke about this tru as
well this is a very very big theor is
that the whole premise of the in
is that [snorts] if you have that
becomes
there's mohamm to say that now it's
going to be what happens if that goes
from
now it's roy again. What happens if
whatever had happened to it that caused
it to be was suddenly undone. Would that
change anything or would that not change
anything? So the truth is with the said
that it's still going to be Abu of Aaron
has a whole they didn't want to be and
based on that it could be this whole
doesn't really start because even though
it's true it started being
but now it's an ingredient so now it is
so right now it's could be based on that
it would be you would have to treat it
like regular in fact adds
I'll read it inside. And this is in
if you would have
that became and now it's going to be
used as an ingredient. I wouldn't be Why
not? You'll say maybe. No, it doesn't
say
Because why does it become it's
you're making any it's not because it's
sat in your backyard you know through a
a boiling hot summer June July August
and now all of a sudden no one's going
to eat it. No, YOU DID IT. YOU DID IT
CUZ YOU WANTED it to be. SO NOW YOU
SHOULD BE able to use it in a way where
it's going to be in a situation like
that.
This was Ramosha's grace as far and and
really and they both felt very stark
that even though at one point it was
only but now all of a sudden it became
again and being that it became once it's
that it becomes at that point it's not
what about what right says that's maybe
already a different thing has to do with
any right we spoke about the distinction
between those two what about at this
point it's a it's a kadashi I didn't see
this inside but that the said that it
could be not because was talking about a
case where the kadash was into a do it
went from being a a to like the baser
that fell into dash so it started off
baser and now it's dash but to the
extent that this new thing that it
became is not an inherently dut it's I
don't know it's the same nervous it's it
looks different it was chemically
altered but it didn't proactively murish
become a dam. So maybe in that situation
it's uh still going to retain its maybe
you're not going to say padashes. We had
who said his reason why he doesn't eat
this kadash. By the way we mentioned
that from the
tital has
he says he doesn't hear it at all. He
says I can't imagine that the chemicals
and the acid that's added to gelatin is
any less than whatever happened to the
musk in the case of but there is maybe
and as it relates to that as it relates
to that here the the held very very
strongly they held very strongly to be
just read to you from this is also in
this is the last paragraph
And being that it's
gelatin and everything is going to bear
and his mister felt very strongly that
way. It's actually interesting where
says that he believes that the was
coming that the was coming not from the
Rambl but it was coming from the he
actually quotes
and he says that you know if you go
through his ch it's inarvis
very long not easy
so it's very very long and hard troub
[laughter]
is busy with the and
The he's referring to
And then he brings all the Rama very
often does that. So with the very often
does that but alon when said what he
said he was he was talking to he said he
wrote two long tr he never mentioned his
who's a tan republican and it was posh
me that's what he was going like but
here's the bottom line the bottom line
is is that gelatin it starts off dead on
arrival or like we said trafe on arrival
but really it shouldn't be so pushet
that it's trafe because you have threeus
maybe to be make number one you
that once it's at that point there's a
you have that says and to the extent
it's made from you have the test that
says of go on the on the ledger and
really it's based on these three
that there was a lot of toml amongst
and a lot of
seem to invoke all three of these koulas
and really fast forward Forward 50 years
later
did the same thing. You go through the
ch from
some invoked all three, some invoked
some, some invoked one. But at the end
of the day
is there was a tremendous on something
that you would think should be on
arrival.
Frankfolder
you had over here
that had
stating that really there's
on everything as it relates to the I
mean number one there's number two the
says this is not something that you
should be and then there's the grace of
that it could be that even though it
But now that it's again maybe it changes
and certainly being that your intent was
you know to make it what about
so if you go through the number one
mention the rush was
so there are those that say that even
though you know his
all the
maybe is not 100%
it's not so clear you have the
other that we said that maybe only when
to something that's as opposed to it's
it's the same thing. It just was altered
and it's and as it relates to the even
in the case of there is to say that at
the end of the day the says and that's
what said what do you want me to go
said
maybe
and maybe he's being and maybe it's
totally an and now you have the so
because at the end of the day there was
there was not so partial that that's the
way it should be and Clearly the
American PK
of they held very much the Hakmer and
the Kashmus organizations go based on
that. Either way, this is a little bit
of a two-part synopsis
of the suga of kosher or non-coosher
jatan. But what does that have to do
with Coca-Cola, right? I mean, today she
has Coca-Cola part three. We haven't
even mentioned Coca-Cola yet, I don't
think. So, what does all of this have to
do with uh Coca-Cola? So I'll tell you
something very interesting. I was
talking to Rabbi Benfeld last week and
he told me that you know we spoke about
how the belt is under the impression
that the first person to ever give a
proper ashk on Coca-Cola was Reptovy
Gaffin. In fact Geffen goes down in
history as the Coca-Cola rabbi and in
Atlanta Georgia 1935 he's the first
person to go and to give this hashkah.
But we mentioned that's not true because
in 1931 Rabinfeld Zeta his namesake
Rabbi Binfeld right
was making it not only kosher but even
kosher Pesak. So was Rabbi Binfeld the
first person to ever give the hashk on
Coca-Cola? The truth is before Rabbi
Binfeld gave the hashka
there was another big RV that gave a
hashkah on Coca-Cola and that is Aron
Halevi Paris. So who is Raful Parades?
So Raful Parades was a European Goen who
came to America in 1924. When he came to
America he settled on the Lori side. He
was aroved there in the Montgomery
street synagogue for 3 years and then in
he left New York and he went to Chicago.
Now [snorts] Rashul Parardis was a great
uh European Goian but he was famous for
his circular his journal that he was the
editor-in chief of and that was the
hapardes journal. Now it's interesting
the history of the apares journal goes
back already to Europe preworld war I a
very young rapardes was already uh you
know very entrepreneurial in terms of
going out and having this journal where
there was a lot of back and forth. It
was a good money maker too because
there's a lot of advertisements in it.
This was a good gashaft. But the bottom
line is this was something that he was
already doing preWorld War I. But then
it came to a a crashing halt and it
really it stopped circulation for over
10 years. But when he came to America
and he settled in Chicago in 1927, he
reinvigorated he brought it back to life
and this time he did it with a whole new
cast of Rabonim. It was all the the
American Rabonim and the in America.
They were all very very involved and
very influential contributing articles
and going back and forth and discussing
different things in the aparades in the
aparades journal. So I'm going to read
to you from an advertisement in a
hapard's uh journal and this is from
1930 right showed me the original I just
took a picture of it so this is how it
starts sounds familiar
drinking Coca-Cola again
olive is
I'm not sure what mter means Labig in
energish.
Okay, I guess it gives you energy. I
think that's what it means. Skipping the
next line because I'm going to botch it.
Nits Coca-Cola is by the way. That's a
good thing. And
vine in candy stores, restaurants, and
drugstores. Not drug stores, but right
without going there. This is just
gelatin. Drugstores food Coca-Cola. You
walk into a drugstore or you walk into a
restaurant or you walk into a candy
store, you should ask for a cocoa. This
is the advertisement. Then there's a
little box and listen to what Rabbi
Paradis writes. Pisman
recently
Coca-Cola Shell Georgia. So I was I was
I visited [gasps] Coca-Cola in Atlanta
Shell, Georgia. Right. Atlanta, Georgia.
the
and the chemist.
He said, "They revealed to me all the
secrets."
This is one of the greatest puns of all
time.
[laughter] The taras of the soda. He
writes a parenthesis secret, right?
Soda. So the of the soda,
I'll leave you paradise.
So paradis already wrote IN 1930 THAT 5
YEARS BEFORE gean he was already inside
the b of coca and they were mgala the of
the
mgala to him exactly what's going on in
the coca and he says YOU HAVE NOTHING TO
WORRY ABOUT IT'S KOSHER BUT HERE'S THE
KASHA IT WASN'T KOSHER THERE WAS
GLYCERIN INSIDE CUZ NOW FOR SURE WE KNOW
FROM RABBI GAFF so how is he so what was
going on over here so what was going on
over here so said I don't know but it's
very very possible
And this I do have there's a safer it's
called the safer was written by he was a
he contributed heavily to his own
journal and we have a safer from him
it's called and innish there's a section
called
and
it's gelatin he writes a gelatin and if
you go through the chuva it feels like
it feels so much like
he goes with the
and he says to him As a matter of fact,
in the back of this there's a whole it's
called
today
took over the parades after ais was and
he was very involved in and he wrote a
whole contress with regards to gelatin
and like parades himself he was a very
very big maker. As a matter of fact
to the
he has a collection of chu a small
collection of chu that wrote him and one
of these were written
[snorts]
after
sat down and he wrote his truth about
gelatin he sent it Moisa and Moisa wrote
back to him and Moiser wrote back to
it's printed here. This is not printed
in azer. This is printed in one place in
because it was a custom letter that was
sent by
and it was sent to and he tells him I
went through your whole uh shila. It's
actually interesting the way starts
gelatin.
This is talking.
But at the end of the day he says I'm
masking to your tru and when you went
ahead and you said that it's mut this is
something I'm mask him to 100%.
>> [snorts]
>> He said felt it's talking it's talking
that the reason that repardis was m
wasn't so much wasn't so much was based
on the fact that what's the issue
there's glycerin inside okay so there's
glycerin inside glycerin is like gelatin
now it's not mamish the same as gelatin
it's again I mean we have to make this
disclaimer over and over and over again
because uh you know I feel uh I feel uh
the blitz coming but at the same time
again obviously gelatin is different
gelatin very often was made from
this is made from baser this has a taste
gelatin doesn't have a taste there are
kilukim but at the end of the day if you
go to the core principles of the gelatin
the first two core principles which are
and so at the end of the day there's a
mali gelatin mal glycerin and based on
that IT'S SO CLEAR A PARADISEL GLYCERIN
was mut or at least gelatin was mutter
>> [laughter]
>> that it's not to say that the reason he
went ahead and he was m was based on the
fact that what you're dealing with over
here is something that's anyways if
you're dealing with something that's it
shouldn't be a problem. THIS WAS
THROUGHOUT his with he had on his trou
from
which was really the opinion of the
rubro back in the time and that is that
it's mut so if it's mut was basically he
said who cares I SAW THIS GLYCERIN SO
WHAT GLYCERIN IS MUT so if glycerin is
mut it's not going to be an issue in
other words just to come full circle
just to tie raid bites one two and three
of Coca-Cola together you know we
mention of gein came and he you know he
got access through Mr. Harold Hershka
through Ashkaha to the ingredients of
Coca-Cola and he said there's glycerin
over HERE ALAKULA THIS IS going to be a
huge problem and even though it's
1,000th of the entire but there's a raja
and even though the said but I DON'T
CARE YOU CAN'T GO AND BASED ON that
brings the raj and there was no way he
was allowing this to go through and
there was no way he was going to be but
we said that binfeld before him was and
now we're saying that p this Even BEFORE
HIM WAS WHERE WERE THEY COMING FROM?
Soel said that he had from his that it's
audition
even if it's dark and even though the
said there's no EVEN THOUGH
SAID THAT IT'S we asking like this but
at the same time said
and we spoke suffer from his
only brought this
over
sometimes even it's way more and it's
because of that he went so was the
was being when he was
where was Rapard is coming from he was
coming from a whole another angle could
be you're right as it relates to the and
it could be it's it's not to be on that
it could be you're right the the
sensitivity the sensitivity of saying
that if it's we're not going to go ahead
and be BUT WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH
BECAUSE at the end of the day we're
dealing with glycerin and glycerin like
gelatin there's mock and you know why
there's moh because you can go to lake
you and go not like the Nudo. But the
bottom line is see you had over here the
Coca-Cola rabbi who goes down as the
rabbi that was not the [snorts]
Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola was Mutter before
it was Mutter before before Gaffin. It
was Mutter
in 1931. We know for sure by Rabbi JB,
Rabbi Jacob Binfeld. We know that it was
mut in 1930 by parades as mentioned
not only is Coca-Cola gazint.
It's also something that's kosher and
it's something you can find in the candy
stores, the restaurants and the
drugstores wherever you go. This is
something that uh you're going to be
able to find. But the bottom line, this
is before it had real coke in it by
[laughter] the way. You were buying it
anyways but after I SHOULD SAY. BUT THE
BOTTOM line is uh that might have to be
edited. Here's the bottom line that
[laughter] we have over here sai rafeld
and we had sardis they were both being
but at the end of the day they weren't
being for the same reason was being he
was being glycerin to the end of the day
you know I think this just brings out
the legacy of gein that much more
because the end of the day when he went
ahead and he changed the recipe of of
Coca-Cola he was mamish making it that
Coca-Cola kof olive kuf olive kuf olive
lammed olive should Aluses he wanted it
should be Alusesh and there should be no
glycerin we shouldn't have to be and all
the chu that glycerin is culture and it
shouldn't even have to get involved with
and and bles at the end of the day why
should you have to be he wanted it
should be it should be 100%
which by the way wasn't just a gamecher
as far as Coca-Cola goes but it was a
gamecher in terms of the way American
rabbon we're going to view kashas you
know this is a young America where you
know things are evolving very very
quickly and there's going to be
commercial cas organizations and what is
the hashkafa going to be and repu geffen
set it on a path where it was going to
be 100% aesh in the 1930s in the the
spiritual world that America was at the
time it wouldn't have been so to be
from the
and it wouldn't have been
to be on a from the 150 years earlier
the great
on the other school
had this heres he had this sensitivity
lit at that point an elit living in
Atlanta Georgia and he says we're going
to make Coca-Cola
very much changed the landscape of how
kashas would be treated in the United
States of America either way. This
concludes CocaCola part