Chulin 118

Today's is and we are at the first wide line eight lines from the top of so yesterday we began the ninth and as mentioned yesterday deals primarily with the of and it begins with a very specific a that's discussed in and that is that we know that food can become tom food can also transmit to. In order for food to become tom or transmit to it has to have a the isa even though ordinarily is but when it comes to the question is what happens with regards to appendages of food. So for example, you have a fruit. A fruit has a stem. The stem of the fruit, how do you look at that as it relates to the fruit with regards to a perspective? Is it to the is it notif? If the stem of a fruit touches, does that make the fruit to? If the fruit is and something to touches the stem of the fruit, does that thing now become? What about the peel of a fruit or the hide of an animal? Is that mitar? is a nitar. Does that have the ability to be mighty to does that have the ability to be macho? What about here fuzz that fruit sometimes has? How do you look at that? And as we saw yesterday, there really three categories when you talk about appendages of food. The first is called a yad. The second is called a shy. And the third one is neither a yad or a shy. A yad is an appendage to food whose purpose is to help you grasp the food. The perfect example of that is the stem of the fruit. Another example would be the bone of meat. So a bone that has marrow inside it is treated a little bit differently. But a bone for example that has no marrow inside. So what's the purpose of the bone? You use the t-bone to be able to to carry the piece of meat. So that would be considered a of is that it's notarif to the but at the same time it's which means that if something touches the yad of a through the will go out it will be the tummy will be through it. The same as in the reverse. If the yad of this do would touch a dom, it would have the ability to suck in the toma. It would have ability to be mus. That's the second category. That's something that isn't just an appendage in the sense that it's used to grasp the food, but it actually protects the food because it protects the food. So, hal treats it a little bit more like the fruit. And therefore, not only does it have an ability to be into the food, but it also is to the of the food itself. Something that's not a and something that's not a sh that is certainly not mitarif to the shir with regards to to it doesn't also doesn't have the ability to be and again that's a little bit of what we saw yesterday and the gar is going to go into this in a lot more detail. One other thing that we need as far as an introduction goes and that is the Mishna immediately compared and contrasted to so is when you have a piece of food that it comes in contact with it becomes and has an ability to transmit to is it is it is it these are all familiar all that we're somewhat familiar with but there's another type of toma that relates to food that's a very different type of And that's so a that's the primary difference between a and a and a both but a being that it didn't have a oso is tomas is different than the main difference is that is ne is another difference as it relates to our is that we As we mentioned briefly and we'll see it in much better detail in today's d that the of isar to the sheer of the of is notar to the kaz as it relates to neo. So again, we're dealing with the of Tomas and Tomas. We're dealing with the of and these are appendages of how they relate to the itself and to the itself from the perspective of you have to look at it from the perspective. Doesn't it have an ability to be mitzy? Does it have an ability to be macho? a lot of we're going to see in today's is going to mention many additionally we're going to have we're going to have we're going to have it's just it's not an easy these that are coming now require real just one says that they're also says that the correspond to the he goes so far as to say that if you if you count the 1 through3 they correspond to a specific [clears throat] one through says the second of the isale he says as say that when Miriam was a when Miriam was the says that invoked the shame the mida of kale because kale is the mid of kale is the mid with which this morning's staff and the li the very difficult li of on that note. We learned in a Mishna where's this Mishna? So if it's not familiar, it's because it's the first. So we're familiar with a lot of the first Mishnas of of many anything that is a yad. So it's an appendage to food. It's a yad but it's not a it could become it's meaning if the yad of food that's touches it will now become additionally if the yad of food that's touches it's mame to means it's machn that's a term that is going to use a lot means it's like means It's means it's but it's not to something's an appendage to a food but it's also a to the food. protects the food. Even if it's not it's more than it's even what if something's not a it's not it's not certainly it's not going to be says the so what's the so we discuss what's the this is the other so either way this is it's a this is In the end of paras the says so the over there is discussing and the says that in order for food to become it first has to check off the box. So you have to make sure that it's how does food become it becomes wet. The owner of the food either is the one who made it wet or at the very least he saw it become wet and he was happy there was with the fact that it was wet. The point is it first has to become what it says. This may is going to be on zer on food. And afterwards the of one of the will land on this food they will be but the says what does mean the you see from here that the doesn't necessarily have to fall on the food itself but meaning any part of the food that you use would be included in the definition of food being that of food is something that's part of the food in the practical usage sense. You carry the food sometimes by its yad. So for that reason it's included in this passing and that's how you know that the yad of food is included in the definition of food as it relates to thus says there's another and that is actually the very next and it's also in the end of and the there is discussing and there too the uses the word in the context of and we learn from two words of and two different that say the word which we're saying means so to be what do I do with those two so I could be one to tell me that the has an ability to be so if you have a food which is and to comes in contact with the yad the yad will allow the food that it's attached to to become y has an ability to be mak it also has an ability to be moy if you have the yad of food that's already and now it touches something else through the it will transmit to so again how do I have two of two words of from two different okay as it relates to that has an ability to be for that I don't need a I could learn which doesn't have the ability to began think more than so which doesn't protect has an ability to be mus certainly a which does protect should have the ability to be if that's the case the continues we'll explain all this so why then did the tra even mention a p about chime now when did the mention a p about that was yesterday's d that was on the bottom of where the Gumar brought a from the it says with regards to food that one of the that of one of the fell on it but it wasn't wet yet. So the over there said it's going to be the was why is it what do you mean then a veil of one of the fell on it the say because it wasn't wet afterwards the Torah says then but if it wasn't wet then it's going to be and the was very wordy it says and we learned from the words that the way we look at food from a from from a tumas perspective is how would you plant this food not how would you eat the food how would you plant this food and if you were going to take a stalk of wheat and you were going to plant it you would plant it in its husk you would plant it with its around it so you see that the is considered part of the food so now bother with a question if I have a pik that tells me that the yad of food is included in the definition of food both then why do I need that on the bottom of why do I need to tell me that a is considered food. If a is considered food, certainly a is considered food. Didn't we just say that I know from the you know what that must be coming to teach me? It's coming to teach me that has even more than a is considered food as relates to being but a is considered food even for more than that. It's even considered food to be midf. So pause not period and certainly not exhale but just pause for one moment. So we started with a right today's started with aishna is the first theishna said as follows that anything that's an appendage to food. If it's a yad is it's considered part and parcel of the food as relates to bringing to into the food and taking to out of the food. However, it's not it's not. So, if you don't have a without the stem or without the bone, it wouldn't be it's also and the question is how do you know all this? I'll tell you how you know all this. It's all it's based really on I have two that tell me that has is considered part of food as it relates to I have another what do I need two for one to tell me that it could be one to tell me that it could be okay so that's how I know if I know then I know that is also because is more a part of food than y is the fact that the protects that makes it more a part of the food. Thus once I know I know as well stating that I have a third the more yesterday I'll call a z and from that you learn that is considered part of food. What's that coming to tell me? It's not coming to tell me that it's I know that from so what then is it coming to tell me it's coming to tell me that it's to the so I therefore then have a to tell me that yad is food once I know with regards to I know I also have a to tell me that has been starve I don't have a pos that tells me y is starve I can't learn yad from because is more than yad I can learn from yad but I can't learn yad from so this is but it's it's pretty straightforward at this point and therefore says the gam everything I know that is if that's the case I know that is I have an extra of is probably coming to tell me that it's I don't have a telling me that is that is the biblical source to the first Mishna and but the gar has a problem and the gumar is going to discuss its problem with this really all the way till the bottom of the thing. Maybe Yad only has an ability to be musy. Now, didn't we just say and if you have that one is telling me that it's one is telling me that it's how could the now suggest Rashi asks and Rashi says that but one of the were regarding the second was which is discussing we already saw in the very briefly that and are not one and the same they're different and being that and are not one and the same maybe I don't have an extra p maybe I have one by I have one by Thomas so if I only have one by Tomas so which is what the first mission is discussing it's not discussing Thomas it's discussing Tomas so maybe the one that I have is teaching me machning me if that's the case I know that a is also mach and I know is machn I'll also know that is because I have an extra by the said I'll a but if that's the case I don't have a to because which that the mentioned do I not know of I don't have a to tell me that could be because I now only have one for and I use it to bear I also don't have an extra of to tell me that could bear to because the extra of I just used to tell me that could be says So the says it's a nice attempt but really it doesn't work because it's not possible to say that would be able to be mus but not be able to be why it's just in doesn't work if I know that could be m it certainly should be able to bear is assuming in that it's easier to be mighty than it is to be m it's a bigish that something could bring to in than to say that something can bring to out and as a result says the if I had one and it's teaching me then I would know so if I would know I would know I would know which means that I would use to tell me that it's but the asks the obvious comeback and that is okay so it's true if I have one and I used it to to teach me that y could be machn I know for sure that it could be mitzy but how do you know the one yad is coming to teach me that It's maybe the one's teaching me that it's not. And if that's the case, I know I also know because the I'm going to use now to teach me that it's but I don't have a then to tell me because I only have one and I don't have a mar to tell me that could bear because how did I know could bear from the extra? I need the extra to tell me that it could be So the says I hear but at the same time even if you want to tell me even if you want to tell me that the two that we thought we had for really only one because that one is discussing and the other one is discussing I can't learn from as per the first in the but I still have an extra mention of I I still have a second and that's also a it's also discussing it says says it's discussing a such as one of the that falls into a tan into an oven tan with two different types of ovens that were common back in the day and the pik says that if one of the falls into a there's a special type of even if it only falls into the of the tanner that's enough for it to transmit But the point is the uses the magic word there again. It says what does mean? So again I have an extra of I have an extra one teaches me one teaches me once I know if that's the case what do I do with the actual is coming to tell me that so again all the is saying is is that we said we have a to the first what's the so we said it's made up of teach me this whole mission it's five but only three are needed based on so what's the it says once with regards to twice with regards to one teaches me one teaches me if I know could be if that's the case why the have to mention something about is probably coming to teach me that it could also be the question was where do you have two so one is one is that's not an extra there's no way You can learn one from the other. It says the I hear but I have another extra P. It says also in the context of why the mention and then again by which is of the or that are inside the Tanner must be one is extra again. So one of is going to be extra. But the Gomorrah says I disagree. There's nothing extra over here. Meaning if you do a little bit of a a recap, what you have is three mentions of one regarding good oldfashioned one regarding and then the third one with regards to is going to discuss now that none of these are extra because I can never learn one from the other. Each one has its own unique qualities that doesn't allow me to learn one from the other. Meaning which one do you want to say is extra? Why are we saying one is extra? If one is actually means you have two of one which is the busus that is the basis and the premise for everything that we're saying but the rest is none of them actually you want to mention meaning let it mention by and I learn from those two you can't cuz how so says Rashi it's because and food can become Tom even from a right food could be reveal can only become from an that's number one it's from that was the first and gave two examples of it so you certainly can't learn either or say and learn the other ones from Tanner even if it doesn't make contact. That's very big. You don't find such a concept by you don't find it by maybe learn the other two from the has a lot of number whereas can be also this it's a source of as opposed to became from something else became from something else. So as it relates to these three say I think I need all three. There's nothing extra. I don't have one to teach me the one to teach me. I need them all to teach me that by their respective unique types of you have but one not two but one it's true you can't learn one from one but maybe make not mention and learn from between what are you going to tell has the three but says he can't learn because the two together have that they don't have to become as opposed to food that does have to be so I can never learn from those two but said that's not a good because why is it that food needs to become wet And in order for it to become because the peri one of the basic rules of toma is that a something has to be complete in order for it to become when something's in an incomplete state it can't become fruit [snorts] is considered to be incomplete until it's wet when it gets wet that's the aer has the same of now by being that it's a utensil it's an oven it's not a food so the way it becomes complete is not by becoming wet but by being finishing the actual work. But the concept of relates to just as much as it relates to food. So you can't tell me that there's a that it doesn't require anything to make it. That's a full statement. It does require it's just not the same thing that has to become. It doesn't have to become what if that's not different those two they could become how so the of becomes even from it doesn't have to touch anything is the source of so you can never learn out one for one from either of you also can learn from the says I hear but maybe you know where the actual one is why can I learn from the veil and from I'll tell you what they have that they're both what's not clear but it's a unique quality that they both have is obviously is also as opposed to an oven is not food it's a it's you bake food you cook food but it's it's not food right so maybe the one that's extra is maybe let it not say and I'll learn from and from says if that's the case why have to say oh that's the extra one so if I don't need it for I'll use it for now why don't I need it for because I could have learned no from the other two so essentially I have an extra yad if I have an extra does a little for us nowades is so I have two mentions of what are the two theory mentions it by the mentions it by and then I have an extra one by extra because at this point in the I could learn from between and between if that's the case I know I know when the Torah mentions an a regarding yesterday's that must be and if so that's the at this point it sounds like we have the but immediately we're not even letting us come up for breath rejects this you can't learn from to say that it's extra to trigger the whole because you need a because I would have thought meaning it's true to learn from and from that's true but at the same time if I would learn from says the I would know that has an ability to be but I would only know it as much as could be. Now could be right it's a source of toma but it can't be is a source of once it becomes but it doesn't have an ability to be could be how do I know that can be even for I can't learn that this is classic but the problem is there's a rule of love and if don't have the ability to be certainly their doesn't have an ability to so I have no way to learn that would be able to be so I need ya to teach me that the yad has an ability even to be so if that's the case I need if that's the case says So I don't have my I'll tell you there was one other that we didn't mention yet this morning that we had in yesterday's and that is the bottom of the top of so I'm sorry the ratio of the of the way the came out the mas teaches me that the is to the as per everything we're talking about this morning the first but of is notarif to the kaz of stating that there was a and the said that even though the is not to the but the does have an ability to be incidentally when you talk about there's no mus doesn't become you're only dealing with you're dealing with is it mighty is a m is a But when you're dealing with all you're dealing with is and so there was a that teaches me that is not and there was a that teaches me that is what do I need that for why the mention why doesn't it have to say because once I know and I know it's a you don't even have to learn it from anything it's Once I know because so if I know why have to mention this is where we found something told to me to tell me that he said it's not that was the ratio of that price to tell me that I if I don't need it to teach me. Let me use it for but I don't need it for either because I have a use for I know I have a for that I have one by I have one by what I needed for is to teach me a second. Why a second? If I only had one, I would think could be I wouldn't know the could be. Now that I have an extra I have so if I know I know why do I need the of it must be it's and that's how I know everything. But the Gumar says one sec I don't think this is good because why don't we say you have an extra of which I don't need to tell me that the has to be I know that from the fact that has an ability to be soar says what do I do with it if I have an extra that teaches me that a could be mighty So if I know now that could be because I already had one to it. Now I have a secondar then the is coming to teach me that it has an ability to bear. But there was one leap the gar said that I'm not so comfortable with had we go from an extra by to use it for wouldn't it make more sense. So if it's it's extra B I B I don't need a BA. See you're right. I have to now I have to place it somewhere. It's a displaced Russia. I don't know what to do with it. It's a it's a refugee. I I have to do something with it. So I don't know what to do with it. So it's that's the where the is why do I have a right to jump from what I should do with it is and say if that's the case so I have a to teach me that and to teach me that could be but and I could even learn how could I learn Because the Pik of Alzer zer a will still be extra with regards to I'll [snorts] know that a could be then I know from the one limit of if I know that a could be could be I have the extra of which because could only be and I know the could be so certainly the could be mighty. So this is an extra I'll apply it now to to tell me that it could also be mach. So if I'm using it for I can't use it for I have to move it somewhere else. So I'm going to use it now to tell me that could be so I know that could be if that's the case I know which means I still have that extra. So I have almost everything in the I have four out of the five but I don't have all five. What don't I have? How do I know that could be so says this didn't work. So at the end of the day we started off we thought we had a nice after going through and etc etc. We're really back to where we started. We're back to what is the Mishna. Okay, what's the Mishna? very first which says that the of could be and it could be but it's not to the could be it could be it could bear to what is the says the you know what the is here we go gives a very straightforward answer it's not even a full line and it's very simple as well we said said that the Tyra mentioned Yad by Toba. There was one mention of Yad, one with regards to classic, one with regards to the to one with regards to the however assumed that if I only have one mention of the word I would use it for the least. See, use it for the least. What's the least? That it could be mighty. It's easier it's more cal for it to be mighty then for it to be m so you use it for the smallest what's the smallest it could be mighty so I know that could be I don't know that could be mus and being that I don't know that could be mus it causes problems what do you mean three that tell me that could do something I need three to tell me it could be says no it's three distinct types of toas that the mentioned it by and they're all not the same and you can't even make so at the end of the day the said no the one that I have by the one that I have by it's coming to teach me. It's not coming to teach me. You can't say that. You know why? Cuz read the what does the say is talking about the what happened? You have food that's and then a veil fell on it. As long as it was you checked off the box now is going to be are we talking about food being we're talking about food being mas that we're talking about food that's beingness READ IT'S NOT THAT I have one I don't know what to do with this abstract esoteric druss let's use no no it's very clear what I'm what what The Tory is telling me, the Tory is telling me a has an ability to be if I know could be because that is in the beginning of the that is so if I know Yad could be I know could be m if I know could be m I know could be m is a double I know could be mighty could be m if y could be mighty or mness should be able to be mighty or mness if that's the case what do I need the policy call it must be it's come to tell me that it's that is therefore the to the first according to the first of the [laughter] second one second we're not done yet but we're not up to the second but another okay let's go back now we had the of what do I need for? That's just we're just trying to reconcile everything now. I know everything by as well because if I know that is I know that I'm sorry I know it's a there is no so I know is I know anyways I have a for that. So when the Tory the safe of the Bryce at the end of yesterday's on the top of what what do we need that form and speaks if coming to tell me that is a misnomer right because is never it's always being says the you're right but even though you don't need it and it's but there's a concept that holds what's the next question if you're going to tell me as it relates to what does mean not of what was the that is because the wrote why the Torah have to write that I mean what's it coming to teach me I know everything how do I know it oh so maybe the T is just telling me something I already KNOW WHAT MAKES IT extra the premise was it's extra being that it's extra it must mean it's coming to teach me a new what's the new it's maybe there's something extra over here maybe it's just gives a simple answer. You don't just say that's like a last resort answer. So it works and if you have a with nothing to do with it. So then you could say but to the extent it's something that you can something so as it relates to where it's possible that is we'll use the actual to tell me it's but by you can't use it to tell me that the issu that tells me that it's not to the ratio of that price said in all of his clearly telling me that it's notar. So if it's not what's the pik for? I have nothing to do with it. Okay. No, no, there's nothing wrong with that. You could always say, but to the extent that there's something to from it, then certainly we're going to d either way. That is the first mahalak of the gumar. The second of the gum is a very short mahalakiba said different. He went back to one of the that the garra made earlier and that was that there was the was extra right essentially according to the first mahal and the garra there's one thing that's extra we were able to make sense of all the different and all the different tucked away in the end of able to make sense of every all the everything seems to work out the only thing that was extra is why the had mentioned that the event was mighty to and the had no choice but the felt that dart is the to the he thought that it's that extra that we learn everything from meaning is extra so what do you do with you know what you do with I use it to tell me that well how do I go from might see right which is hard to tell me that it could be what was problem with that in the when the Gmorra attempted to say that the Gmorra felt that like have a right to make such a jump the top line of right if anything How do you have a right to go? Very simple because is it really a or is it more treated like a in it's more treated like a because it's not to is also not. So we look at the and that's where you have the extra. So again the makus the first Mishna of Makusen is either made up of it says by which talking specifically about food being that was the first of the talking about food being once I know that a could be if a could be m if that's the case the I'll call which is talking about is extra I don't need it to tell me that it's I know that must mean he's coming to tell me that it's a have a that tells me specifically that is not to but either way that's the first it's really made up of it's made up of tukim that are in succession of each other incidentally the says that food that wasn't wet that becomes that an aa falls on is and the food that's and the that says that food that was wet and a fell on it becomes it's those that teach me all five is mentioned in the second is that it says in the par of we don't look at and say that is talking about no maybe means like the thought on the whole we're not we're not going there that that we're not looking at that We're saying there's one lim that's it makes sense to say that it's could be mighty. So I know yad could be mighty from there. There's a that says that a veil could be mighty which I don't need because of a could be mighty. I have a for that also. I know that could certainly bey how do you go from because like in the sense that it can't bear unique in that it can't bear could also not bear that is notar th I have what are the two one is the that it says three times in three different context that teaches me I have Now I know because I have two calls that teaches me I don't need it to teach me that's so again I would know that that would be the to teach me that exhale. So the bottom line is is that what was the that of could be we learned that from the of the over there teaches me that right the way you go ahead that's the definition of you take you don't eat a but you would be thus the definition of food as it relates to would be in that sense. So we all know what a pithm is according to that's what a pitma means. So we go that's the like the pithm of the aster. So the pumm of the that's like the fuzz around the pit area that's notif you'll tell me what do you mean it's the problem is like if the is the says that's the way you plant it. You don't plant a pomegranate by taking the pomegranate with it to pit them and putting it in the ground. Says another how do you know it's what's the the skin of the what? When you planter, right? So that what meat should grow in your backyard. You plant it together with your R. That's obviously not how this works, right? So if that's the point, so again, why is the R going to bear? So how could the is it just doesn't I mean it works for I mean there are examples of how it's going to work, but what about the pit or what about the skin that's on your meat? So the gar says you have to say to something else. It says I'll call the dog. It says the word zer three times in the ker one zer 2 three one one is coming to teach me this type of shr we will stop Snap.