Chulin 36

Today's and we are about 20 lines from the top of the two dots. Today's being learned as today's also being learned. So today's daf is another tom of daf stating that it's way way lighter not light but way way lighter than the previous two and a half doen. The topic of today's daf is one of the more obscure areas of the laws of and that is the idea of so what's makiran? It's actually the name of a maka. One of the makas in say the tyros is called mir. The premise of makiran is that although we're familiar hopefully by this morning with the basic ideas of stating that the says that in order for food to become it first needs to be prepped. It has to be how does food become prepped to now be subject to becoming tame in the event that some liquid falls on top of the food that is considered the preop that it requires. Once that happens at that point if it comes in contact with an avail if it comes in contact with a mace if it comes in contact with a person that's tame aishi that's when all these has fall into place. So the only time food can become tame is if first the food was wet in the event that the food did not become wet then it's not yet in a state where it's able to be all the laws of don't apply. Now there are obviously additional that relate to how exactly the food becomes even when it is wet. Hence there's a whole that deals with those laws but super duper high level which is believe it or not where we can leave it for this morning. In order for food to become even to being it has to be and that would mean it came in contact with a liquid. Now the source to this is the Pik says and this is infidel any food where fell on it it's now able to become pretty straightforward several later this is if water is going to fall on top of zer meaning seeds something that grows the and now a little bit of from is going to fall on top of the zer it should be treated as so the says that in the event that food comes in contact with it's only in if first then it's then if however it did not come in contact yet with water then the is it will not be subject to being able to be Tommy. Now what's the behind the the is that something becomes tummy when it's complete. When something is incomplete it's not in a state yet where it's able to become tummy. Food is deemed complete when it first became wet. If it wasn't wet it's incomplete. Something incomplete can't become tommy. very similar to the idea of Mess's ka which deals with different kalin utensils when are they considered complete so that now if they come in contact with they could become but it's the completeness of the that there's an idea that if it became wet like the Tyra says in two different places it's able to become otherwise it won't be able to become now as it relates to this morning's daf we're going to be discussing one of the mash kins that are in fact said there are seven mashkin seven beverages that are food so that it could be one of those beverages is actually not a beverage at all not something you're supposed to drink is blood is considered one of the mashkins that is now it's a little bit of aesh that blood would be considered a mashka First of all, just the physical nature of blood is it's a little more viscous, right? It's a little thicker than regular mashka. But besides, it's not really something that anybody drinks. But we'll see in today's daf that kazal derived the fact that we treat dam as a mashka with regards to being from a in the is a that's very much tucked away. It's in par's balum is talking. So the uses the word in the context of and that's where you see that dam literally a is someone that was killed a corpse be it a person be it an animal but oh you see the idea of regarding dam that's how you know dam is considered one of the mashkin stating that the theme of the first part of today's daf is going to be that not all blood was created equally So there are certain bloods that are makabma. There are certain bloods that are not kabat. And this is really the background that we needed for this morning's stuff. Now why are we talking about blood whether it's or not? Same reason we were talking about the last few days. It goes back to the Mishna. If you remember the Mishna discussed somebody that and no blood came out and the Mishna gave a how you treat it. Mishna said number one kasher you don't need blood when it comes to that we saw in the gar you need blood because there you need to do a but when it comes to no blood that's fine additionally the Mishna said if you want to eat the meat with hands that are that's going to be okay because being that there was no dam the bus never became and that it never became no there's no issue there's no way for to go from your hands onto the boss was he said I disagree even if there's no blood still the itself this is a lumpus the isi said what's the it's a not the migu but this is what we always refer to as the other MIGO sense meaning being being that you find that this had the ability to take something from being in a state of and now making it so that it's so too this has the ability to be as well meaning the is such a that it could take it from being where if somebody ate it would his it would take away his like talks about right the ability of this when it's wow and now all of a sudden it can't do that to the contrary now if you eat it with you could be so now all of a sudden think about what took place so if the was so powerful that it was able to alter the spiritual DNA of this buser so too the has to be powerful in order for it to be able to be. So here's the question that we're going to talk about right now. Theim clearly disagree with the say if there's dam it's if there's no dam it's not says even if there's no dam it's when said that the is also saying that I don't think is he going that far or is just saying you don't have to come on to the dam the itself does the trick meaning even if there's no dam it's going to be fine. But you want to know if the dam would be masher. Yes, certainly for sure the the dam would be what would be if somebody an animal dam came out and it landed on a watermelon and then a fell on top of it. If holds it the is like the when it comes to you don't have to come onto it because when it comes to the itself was m so at the very least in this situation we not discussing the buser that you shed but rather you're discussing the watermelon. So over there the dam would be the watermelon. If however is telling you that it's only the that's however when it comes to the dam itself the dam of the is not well then when it falls on the watermelon the watermelon is not falls on top of it afterwards it's not gonna be okay. Now first glance he would say why would you even entertain such a said was is that if you he never said that d is not like where would you even come from so the truth is that if all we have is the information of the it feels a little bit like but by the end of the beginning of today's daf oxymoron but by the end of the beginning of today's d we'll see that rib shim has a lot of interesting in the world of and there's a lot of different bloods there doesn't count when it comes to being remember the fact that is in itself it's learned that from a really which opens up the possibility to what we said earlier not all blood was created equally so that not all blood is maybe when it comes It's the same thing. And by the way, not to give it away, but this is not just going to be a it's actually be a mas. And really at the end of the day the of is going to be that the of is actually not it's a more reading in the you would think but again it's more based on shims that are mentioned elsewhere in the either way after that what turned out to be longer than expected introduction zakumar shim says that in the event that somebody went ahead and checked the no came out is that you still can't eat it because the buser is there was no dam said right what's the difference between just this is what says or so in Yiddish this is something he used to often say so he met in the street so even though We tell you all the desire says you want to hear something of but you should know the dam is not if the dam would fall on the watermelon then the it wouldn't be says the from the said in the event that there was a and no dam came out the is the itself is my doesn't it sound like for that it's only the not so says no way why would you say that if anything if you look in the they struggle a little bit what was even the but the bottom line is no just said that if there was no blood it's still he never said that if it falls on a watermelon it's not going to be match but the sense I have another this maybe is so this comes from a which is always wordier And at this price is talking straight to the turns to the and he says, "Oh, this sounds already a little bit like the D maybe doesn't have the ability to be but there's no right that means that either because could be what was saying was not the do you have to come onto the dam in order to be the itself is and therefore Even if there was no dam it would be you want to know if the dam itself is maker when it falls on our proverbial watermelon could be for sure that would be the case. Bottom line is strike two. So we had two but at first glance seemed like maybe ras to raasi. The first one was a little more uh kish. Second one felt like it had a little bit more teeth but at the end of the day both of them the gar knocked out. Now the Gumar is going to flip the script. Says I'll bring you maybe not like said now this is a it's so we're going from Mishnas and Tyrus that was the last few days to shim said the dam of an animal that dies on its own is not that's statement. Rab says that even though dam is one of the but if the animal dies on its own then what's the reason it's because we said earlier that what's the dam is even considered a mashka is a a wounded corpse meaning it's dead but it died from some sort of gunshot right or something along those lines so says oh where it was that's when that's when we treat it like a mashka Now my love says the it sounds like telling you what type of dam is he's telling you that the dam of an animal that died on his own is not going to be but let's say you went ahead and you the animal in that instance it sounds like it it sounds like it would be that's a raasi says that according to the dam of is not it sounds like told you it's not dam is not but says like could be even dam is not a so why do you say dam it sounds like dam not but something else yeah isn't that something else no the something yeah is the says you're telling me that is really included in dam so just like dam is not so dam is not but the says if that's the case we should have mentioned damita Dam and I certainly wouldn't have known damame. Now what's the behind that? Why if I would tell you damashita would I know for sure not dam but if I tell you dam I'm not sure about damita. So really rashi says that in order to understand this we have to know a garra that's coming up on the bottom of the we'll just speak it out very briefly the gum is talking that if somebody so the p says if you so the dam is not regular because you can't put it on right usually you do [snorts] but this being you don't the says what do you do with the you could just let it uh pour [snorts] on the ground can't drink it either. Right? So you just [snorts] from the fact that the comp that's a little bit of a to maybe say that would also be considered that has the ability to be but the point the Gmorra says is that if you're going to tell me that is also not then that's for sure a big the reason it's a big is because it's a hab to learn out from a different that maybe it should. So wouldn't it make more sense tell me is not if you tell me is not so I'm going to know it's because it has to be even is not enough and if is not included in certainly is not included in but the says that [snorts] it's not true it's I'll tell you why the felt he had to say and it doesn't necessarily preclude I could have thought you could have made the argument that an animal that dies on its own is very similar to an animal that was killed. When an animal is killed, you killed it. When an animal dies on its own, the Malikov has killed it. When an animal is slaughtered, it's considered completely different. Rashi says that's already dam that's considered that the animal was which is its own class in the world of how you can kill an animal. It's not just it's not but rather that's considered to have been done in a completely different way. The bottom line is it could be reb holds that damita is not just like dam is not I why did he say dam shouldn't he have said damita I would think damita is a bigger kadesh why is it a bigger kesh because there's another limo to maybe mean the answer is no it's actually true that damita has its unique over dam but dam also has a kdesh over damita because dam is more similar to dam kal I mean that it's more similar to dam and was you could have thought that dam is also why they similar because and it's for that reason we mentioned but just because he said dam is not ma doesn't in of itself mean that is not and there's no said one interesting sidebar related rate is it sounds like from the when an animal dies it dies Right. Maliki who? Mali Kot Malikov. Now we know about the angel of death [snorts] the Malikov and you know he does his thing but I don't know you would expect that the Malikov goes after people. He goes after animals also sounds like from the garalik unless you'll tell me this is just hyperbole right it's not meant to be taken literally. Truth is is another gumar guml that's better known than this. The gumar talks about who was with an animal and the animal ended up dying and the says right so there's an idea you find in the kazal said that when an animal is killed he's killed we have a rabbit bite on this it starts with actually earlier in the but either way return to our regular program again that is not So this is also mentioned over there and he said the dam of a wound. So if somebody wounds an animal that dam is not what does it sound like? It sounds like d of a wound where the animal didn't die then it's but if it died. Yeah. And again it all goes back to the defines what type of dam has the ability to be. What's damal? An animal that was killed not slaughtered didn't die on its own with the also not wounded. It sounds like when it's wounded only that dam is not but if it's more similar to obvious and as a result maybe there yet says my love says the only you can make from there is as opposed to but is like it's not going to be but the say I understand tell me it's not wouldn't it make more sense to tell Damita and I'll know for sure and again why is that more of a so in this context number one because more similar to and besides you even have a lim to maybe so it would make more sense says no felt that it needed to I mean I would have thought I actually would think that if somebody hits an animal wounds it and blood comes out it's more similar to killing it because you find this If somebody wounds somebody, he killed them a little bit, right? It's like a So you would think that's more similar to as opposed to is a different class than therefore you would have thought you would have thought that maybe but from the fact that I told us that doesn't mean bottom line is what is according to is that Not only in our sug but at the same time this is what and it's sort of in line with some of these others that we just mentioned in the world of where holds that is not is not dam is also not going to be but says I don't understand why Is it that it's based on a right we mentioned this before we said is going to bring it brings it says when you don't have to worry about the dam there's no what do you do with the but the bottom line is we're comparing to we're comparing also so if that's a tok for it to be able to be why don't we say the same over here. So the says now because this although it's a good and it could technically theoretically be used for this but it's taken already. It's not available because it's coming to teach me that the is why would you think it's being that is meaning even though this doesn't have anymore and it has a lot of cool because of the fact that it's but you find that you're not let she wool and you're not allowed to do work with it. So I would have thought maybe Maybe it's blood require we should treat it as that's the that is not available. It's for that reason we can't learn anything from it. Another very much related we learn from there that is not. So what exactly is? So again for this we have to be or it would help be helpful to be a veterinarian. But if you look at says two lines from the top if somebody causes blood to come out of a beginning there's one or two drops of blood that come out and then afterwards it starts streaming. It starts pouring and then the blood starts changing colors. It goes from red and it turns black. This comes from is the soul of the animal to depart. It's it's from when the blood starts turning black moving forward which is before it turned black. That's the original bloods that are coming out is not considered. What's the bottom line? The is not the dam that the nephesh departs with. It's for that reason it's not included in. And it's for that reason it's The bottom line is this is another example where is not let's just hit the pause button exhale because this really concludes the first third of the DA and that is said in our if somebody and there was no D say this bus is not as a result if you want to touch the bus even if it's etc it's going to be okay says no that took it from being to make it kosher meat that in it of itself has the ability to be walks into he says I'm going to tell you something said not only don't you need the dam to be to be the dam of doesn't have the ability to be why would you say that it's not in any way related to what shim is saying the answer as we see now is really related to in the world of because the fact that blood is aesh it [snorts] says and that's where we learn that dam is but it's only or something that's eerily similar to what's a that's an animal that was killed. So when the dam is that's when it's and that's why holds if an animal dies on its own it died it's not where it came out of a wound it's not it's not by the way there's a time that says is also not because that's not considered but either way in the world of shim holds dam is also not because it's not the same thing and as a result that is really the basis that is the so that one is holds that is because if it's enough to be met from so to the second is is not and that's more related to other but that is what essentially at the end of the day is saying and again more based on paragraph moving along very much we learned in somebody shucked in an animal an animal of they hit this at the last and then blood squirted it's very bloodish and some of it landed on a dalas. So it landed on some sort of uh vegetable [snorts] and the dalas Rashi says this is very important was number one. It was detached from the ground so it's able to become to additionally it was truma. It was also truma. Now if you have truma that is tame is you can't eat it. You have to burn it. If you have truma that's not because you have to eat it, you can't burn it, right? So whenever you see a setup of in the world of truma, the stakes are very very hot. But we're getting a little ahead of ourselves. If somebody again and landed on the says this becomes the max says, what does mean? So we'll see tomorrow but for now it means uh I don't know being that said that it's what should we do tell you what we should do I think we should bring into the conversation used to say that it's the that's not the right this is Raasi's understanding of Rabim in our Mishna [snorts] and it's for that reason said Rabia I think we bring into the fold and that's the way we're going to be mak the situation so a very cryptic bra with a follow-up statement for Rabia we're looping in shim to this discussion what exactly is going on that's going to be the next third of today's da let's just take in this price a little bit better somebody blooded on the dalas of truma We have a whether this is or not says it's the landed was cryptic but it sounds like is saying that for sure not that it's so said like this I don't know what to do said it's like not sure is saying something you know what I'm going to do I'm going to bring holds that dam is not. So it's not sounds like from the words we're going to put on the side of and we're going to end up being like will be whatever that even means and we're not going to say that this dalas is now clearly this has a lot to do with the first part of the d because you see over here we're bringing in the where the dam is where the dam is not again the whole damita That's why if you then there's no dam it's not then there is the bosser is we had a discussion of whether he holds said that holds that is not is clearly of the opinion as well but we have it here in the context of someone who landed on a dalas of again very thear is going to bring two first fora and then for aashi rightashi second not first but first fora then for aashi to try to uh navigate what's going on over here. Papa said very he said how come everybody agrees in the event that the dam that landed on the trum would be on the of meaning from the beginning of the till the end of the from when you the first until you completed the second in that situation everybody would agree that it would be there's no sh in the world and the reason is because you have and there's no they both agree that is like the light corruption keep where the blood got cleaned in between holds that starts when you start doing the and it ends when you end doing the right sounds familiar and if that's the case so that even though you cleaned up the dam in between the two but the dam that was on the dalas before you cleaned it was why was it because when you first it was already considered a doesn't happen until the end and if that's the case It's not it's and you ready for this even is like said is not and it's for that reason says by the time you finish the second there was no there anymore which means that the dam was never until you the second what is it then it's for sure doesn't have the ability to be. Okay. What did mean when he said toilet, right? Rebi said that the dam falls under the trum. And again, we're saying that you cleaned it in between the two. Why? Because therefore it's doesn't have the ability to be mash. Okay. Didn't say. What do you mean when he said he meant what he was talking about was in real time when it landed on the first simmon he says oh now we got to wait around and we have to see what happens if the d is still going to be by the end of the it's going to be because then it's going to be if it's not going to be because then it's going to be meaning the d landed right now on the first uh on the dalas after you the first point I don't care what happens later right you don't have to Watch it. Yeah, watch it. I don't care what happens. Either way, this is he says, "No, wait and see." Suspense. If somebody comes quickly and he cleans the watermelon, then no. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, that's we have to we have to be. Okay. What did mean when he said that? Let's bring in and let says and well says it in a little bit of a wordy way meaning what's bring because it sounds like is going to support does really support he doesn't support does not at all it is right he just holds says the It's true that are not really saying the same thing is not like but so that unless you finish the dam is not considered considered which is not the says that's all true but at the same time in the event that you went ahead and You cleaned it, you wiped it off, then they're going to be in the same position. Is going to say that if you wiped it in between, it's not because even if you didn't wipe it in between, it wouldn't be because can't be going to say that if you wiped it in between, it's not going to be because it's not doesn't have to be. But here's the bottom line right now. Now, if you went ahead and you wiped it, I can tell you two reasons why it shouldn't be okay. According to the it's not okay cuz it's and according to even if you it's not going to be because is never rebi who says it's going up AGAINST TWO IDEAS. HE'S GOING UP against the holds of which is in the and he's going up against that is but here's the point how ends up being the is one against two and one against two you're going to lose. That's interesting. Usually when you think of one against two the other two are saying the same thing and the one is saying something else. This is a different type of one against two right because really and are saying anything but the same is saying but is saying is not it's even more than that shim even if you weren't it wouldn't be acc. But at the end of the day when you war there's two that hold that it shouldn't be those two because truth is is this considered when you talk about one against two if two people have two completely different opinions that's you would think this way two people see the same the world the same way and I see it differently okay so obviously they must be right that two people everybody's driving one way and you're driving the other way, there's a good chance you're the guy uh in the wrong lane, not everybody else. Even though that person will never see it that way, but that's probably the way it is. But that's how he got in that lane in the first place. But whatever psychoanalysis for another day. The bottom line is this. The bottom line is is that is this considered right? So we have a rabbit bite on this. The rabbite is from Margolus. We spoke it out in the super majorities in talks about where everybody struggles what does it mean couldn't figure out what it means and he had this whole uh sometimes literally and this is one of those examples we came up with a hope in what it means that one bezdon is from the other this is the idea regardless That's what's going on over here in this price. Again, let's take it again from the top. Somebody shed and dam landed on the dalas was says hold. What does mean now holds but is not also hold. So we have to wait and see if the second simmon is going to be or if you're not going to be before you go ahead and you uh the second because then and only then will it actually be so doesn't matter if you're not it's automatically it's only if you're not and that's what means said what should we do for sure it's not this dam is not even a beverage. This is one of the bloods that were not created equally to this dam is not at all for sure it's not so bottom line it's not it's only speak with both So the bottom line is that's why that's why said I think at the end of the day it's not going to be this wasa's understanding of what's going on over here specifically what meant when he said that's really the big as we'll see said I don't like you know why because the way is means let's sit around let's just wait a few seconds if then no if he's not. Yeah. Sounds like a so says well if that's the case you have to say you have to say that himself was what would be in the event that you went ahead and you were and what was his suffix his suffic was the same lumbus like in his Then even if you know inash he's not sure whether okay what do you mean according to meant let's just wait see if he's doesn't matter even if he gonna have a suffic according to mean that we're dealing with truma so truma You're not let you're not let her burn as a result because it might be to means that this trauma now is going to be in the twilight zone. It's neither here nor there. Nothing you can do about it. But at the same time, okay, what did he mean when he said sets it up the way it set it up in right says true as it relates to whether or not you can burn it and are going to both agree that you can't burn it. According to you can't burn it because the dam was not at all. It's not Tommy. You can't burn Truma. That's not Tommy. And according to not going to be able to burn it because even though the dam is but this might not be might be because maybe what's going on over here at the end of the day comes out who you could burn it because again holds them. So comes and this is what he meant when he said what did that line add says nothing interesting it's a delight does that mean not supposed to be I [snorts] don't know but it's a delight says it's a new of something Garcino it's a gears it's a gear comes as news to me but the bottom line is how to understand this right that are eerily similar to each other right let's go back let's learn now the way raash it's like the same way just with one cage again [snorts] somebody and then squirted on says I don't care happens afterwards it's going to be no because I have a existential in the world of and therefore if you go ahead and right the case is you were not to see if you're going TO BE I'M NOT SURE I don't know I have to wait around says that's what usually means have tell me what to do with this pumpkin with this dalas I probably don't know what to do with it [laughter] because If then it was but it was said what we do we wait till he comes we need to act right now so he said I think that's what we need to do over here according to for sure you're not going to burn it right for sure you're not going to burn according to and That's what he meant that both because as much as not saying the same thing but at the end of the day they're both sharing in common this idea of this is going to be a situation of now could you eat it that's a different story but for sure because as it relates to that and for sure is saying the same things again the whole between and again it plays itself out mathematically a little different but really The whole was what it was just one thing. The whole was whether or not holds or whether was and from there we have enough. What does mean? Does mean wait and see whether or either way this is part three of the d. So part one and part two both dealt with in the world of which is that really starts from the last part of the daf is going to continue to discuss laws of but from a different angle. We'll see it's going to loop in tardaf but it's coming from a different angle and that is the so we actually saw he made a cameo appearance [snorts] on right after but it's something that we are more familiar with from the [snorts] basic concept of is that when it comes to the laws of don't apply so buser for example even if it was have a isab. So although we have tukim that talk about the idea of needing food to become wet in order for it to be that's all true in the world of when it comes to it's what's known as what's the we'll see in the discussion but for sure there's an underlying the underlying is because when food is not the way we view it is as if it's not. comes from some lack of is by definition and as a result it's right similar to that if makes it not for sure the fact that it's now for sure it's the idea of where this is going to tie into our and of being similar. They're both examples of where you have something that's even though it doesn't meet the requirements of what food needs to go through and how food needs to be prepped in order to be says a can do it. That's not what the says says, oh the love of makes us work. It's not what the says. So again, two examples of where you find that we're somehow overriding That's the between what we learned up until now and what's going to be the latter part of today's. And if this sounds a little bit familiar, we had this not so long ago. So we know the was but sometimes it was a part of the ma that was dry. So the dry part of the carbon for our purposes being that it's dry, it never came in contact with the oil. It was never going backwards now. But uh do we have the laws of rishi or do we not have the laws of what's the shashi explains the shslakish knows there's something called wants to know is does just mean that something that's not could become or does it mean that it could become to the point that it could actually transmit to meaning if it touches something that becomes a sheni like we're going down that road or no it's a that's very limited in its go the whole concept we said [laughter] it defies so the question is what is the extent of that was it said 100% regarding to said whatever you know about you can apply now or maybe no or maybe no maybe it's only true with regards to it itself becoming but to go already on that level that's not something you're going to be able to do that was his gracious and let's see it inside maybe there's no difference I'll bring you the says now this is one of the tim that we mentioned in the introduction to the one of the tips that says that needs to become needs to come in contact with in order to be said, "What do you see from here?" So you see it has to be through water in order for it to be taught. So the did a double take on what said what lessly but you think didn't know that knew the he knows that the conventional way of becoming is through wants to know that being that there is a concept of you also know that how far do we take what's saying it almost sounds like telling how that there's something The says so like doesn't even understand what was to ask from that. That's the we know there's another wants to know how far goes. In other words, the says that knows the idea of stating that says knew what knew that knew asked this question. He didn't mean to say you're clearing. Don't you know it's all about everyone knows everything. Everyone knows the says everybody knows there something called. Everybody understood was how far does work? Does it work only to make itself a problem or does work so far that even allows the convey to staining that as a good look at it says why does the have to tell me twice we made a big deal about this. It says two times the concept of it says so why do I need to laugh said here's the punch line isn't it coming to be on the top line the punch line is the last word says I hear you Shila very very nice Shila. You want to know is like the real thing is if went on the the food could even go ahead and convey says I think I have a right because the twice tells me that food becomes when water falls on. Why you tell to me twice? Tell to me once. Why do you have to tell it to me twice? I know what the answer is. The answer is cuz the terra is coming to tell me that there's something unique about when water falls on it as opposed to all the other ways that maybe because it's only when water falls on it that as opposed to the other way such as over there you're not going to be so wasn't sure whether makes it to the point where it could even convey to him or not. Rab said me too. In fact, the Torah told me twice that happens when falls on it. I think that in of itself is going to be right. But the says I don't think you have any cuz I can tell you the reason the said it a second time is for something else. The reason the twice told me the needs in order for it to become is not to teach me that that's the only time it's as opposed to it's not going to be. It's telling it to me twice to teach me the twice. Why to tell me that twice? want to tell me that the way Tomas mace is conveyed is want to tell me the way is conveyed is mummas I would have thought over there you need you find a you find a maze that if it's only the size of anash it's not how big does the buster of the maze have to be a which is bigger than the I would think maybe you don't need a shar but I would have thought that maybe it doesn't require that's why you need both. So says is not a says I have an extra isn't it coming to tell me doesn't have the ability to convey to note the reason told me twice is because I have to know that the is true s if the food comes in contact with a m if it comes in contact with a shar for both says asked again has a Right. That is the Shiloh that's going on over here. And said I have a sh was very bothered with the shim said that in the event that somebody and no dam came out the itself is the that's the fact the dam doesn't even have the ability to be masher but the itself is now said doesn't that right? It sounds like even know that says in the that itself is means even so says not just guessing. It's because at the end of the day our is talking about remember four is talking about that is not possible. You're allowed to eat that's right. So if you where's that it's only transmitting it's the only place it's right it's it's not anything else and if we say that means it has the ability to transmit that means of has the ability to convey to what's the is not in other words is very similar to like we mentioned earlier because it's a way of being without actually coming in contact with and what do you see you see it's even to be able to convey how do you know that because that's the only that's in the cuz if it doesn't have the ability to convey then what's in the gay that it's that I can't eat it I'm allowed to eat it it's I can't be mama with it but you tell me it doesn't have THE ABILITY MEAN IF I EAT IT I'M NOT GOING TO BECOME tummy because it can't convey if something touches it it WON'T BECOME TUMMY IF THAT'S THE case then it's not a gay anything so why are we even having this conversation deterrent is it has the ability to convey it's not said maybe when it means meaning it could be it could be that's for sure what was wants to know whether has ability to convey to but he knows for sure it could convey and therefore the Mishna is not a because the Mishna might be talking about true you have a from the even that's not has the ability to convey to but maybe only asked another question this is from a Mishna that's mentioned in Shabas one of the if somebody was harvesting his uh grapes and he put it in his vats. This is one of the phases of the wine producing process. Shame says that the liquids that come out to be says it's not what's the over there the sh is because we know the only time is if it's if the bum is happy with the fact that his food is becoming wet. Now in that case the matas was with the mashkin that's oozing out is actually not mashkin that the owner wants should ooze out. He'd rather contain the mashkin. It's in like a wicker basket. He's going to lose it. It's so he's not happy about it. And that's why there's a whether it's not. So sham says it was said this is one of came around to sh and he'll said sh I agree with you. But the bottom line is again we have another example of that's being even though really it shouldn't have been now you got to tell me what do you mean it became wet. Yeah, but it was and being that was it's only because of some that we're being. So what's the why is it and again in the way that it should be able to convey it's not so it's also not a riot knows you can be his midday you're going to be able to do it. So again whe is the dry part of the which is could it also make or notish I know but what's the crux of where it's not does he have the ability to be in our can make as another said gas over there even though it became wet but it was like it wasn't really in the regular you could be what's answered both questions answericked it he wants so what we're about to see now doesn't happen very often in chas right throughout choice says something and comes very shar here is going to stick up for himself a little bit turns says I said I had a good and you told me also had a good from and you told him it's right according to also it should be so according to what's sh is whe you're telling for sure there's veni so so then what's he claring for sure there's a a rish veni so even told the rabbi he said well we know he's going to tell him I'm all he told me you don't understand what I was saying wasn't clearing whether it's what he's claring whether the is going to be right if something becomes you can't eat it you can't burn it right you can't eat it you can't burn it his wasn't coming his was burning it he wanted to know whether and that was my you don't understand me I know that would be My whole point was clearing mida right again we went through the gum a little too thoroughly that it's almost hard to understand what's comeback was but again was telling that's okay so what's what's told was there's one postcript to this says the one thing you see from this whole affformentioned discussion and that is that the concept is a right the whole institution of is says the what's the inra to the idea of say maybe you know from the following he says that comes in contact with Tommy so you have all the oft How do you know doesn't have the ability to be the says and we learn from there only that you can pour out like water dam that doesn't go on the has the ability to but that goes on is not so we know is not so that buster that became sure didn't become because it was because can't be oh this guy should HAVE BEEN MASH MAYBE BECAME tummy through some of the other mashkkins in the kitchen. Rashi says like when they wash the meat, they wash the water. Maybe that's how it happened. But the mashkin in the kitchen of the not only does it itself not have the ability to become it can't be either. You'll tell me maybe when [snorts] can't be he meant the blood. mean he means he meant all the so must be says so you want to know how you know because how else is it's not the it's not any of the other so how's it going to become but say it's not I'll tell you it's like was talking about something else but he discussed a case where it was a that was a and when it was being brought to the base of Mikto. So it was brought through a and it got wet in the event that the and the [snorts] buser is wet. So it becomes so there is a way to be where the came from outside the base isn't that then going to be basement once you brought it in isn't no it's talking about where the animal was wet the animal was wet that mashk is not basement that mash has the ability so from the fact that you see that is not a in of itself it says twice in the buster And we learn from the other that says the right forget about it being it's not even there's no starting point even for it to be what do you have to say that makes it into fact theor says that [laughter] not only something it can even make something that's not and convert it into an but the point is the point is there's an idea of it's a and you want to know what the is from the fact that oh must be because you see even more you see you can even make something that's not that's not so you're right from the way explained it you see for Sure he understood was what was something that became is it only possible or is there even that even if it's not so why should be different only reason but I have examples of things and they have Maybe it's only what's this where you see the in fact this was very wordy my just fears and even spells out now that we established that says wasn't like this do we We say only works to make it possible for maybe there's no difference. And the says right markers to the says what exactly the is something we're gonna have to wait. Either way, this concludes not one, not two, not three, but four do that relate to. So I think it's kadai to speak out a little bit of raid. It's been a few days and go back to raid that we spoke about at the beginning of the week and that is raid that relates not to but raid that relates to. Now truth is tomorrow's daf we're going to return to our regular program. We're going to have again a lot of hashita here at the end of that's going to segue us into so again we're doing a deep dive right back into the basic of so I don't know if this raid is more related to 4 days ago's daff or maybe more related to what's coming in the future daffin but regardless in the beginning of the week we discussed the gamaro and lamides which is also which is what would be if you have a who in a way where it would be apostle would that knock out the would that knock out the andra said take we mentioned had learn says whereas and then that he didn't even have to he went ahead and he did and the is do you say that being that you got of it right already so at that point I don't care that you messed up the measure or no at the end of the day I messed up a part of And as a result, this is going to be a problem. Tom said there's no way that's the sh because once you get of it right at that point for sure it's kosher. SO HOW COULD YOU disqualify a animal once the animal was already gishle that it's kosher if it gets the glad kosher symbol on at that point you can't make a trace anymore. So says that couldn't have been the sh. So what was the shil? The shil was not rather we also mentioned that there's a big ship what is asking a very good and we said the and really understood that that rash that should be a problem was only is to say but speaking that's never thought that there was a that that should be an issue stating that brings that says no rashi learned the even that is that even though which means that mida was Okay. But if you decide to go and do the and you mess up the even so we mention who said that we know when it comes to you don't have to the whole what is the of what's is the that the sheer of how much of the sim you have to shrive And anything beyond is not even included in the sim or is the that the she of how much you have to do is the entire you just don't need to the whole sim for the entire sim to be because I have a whole sim in other words is is the twing in the or is the not even part of the it might as well be the foot as it relates to Theita if the shear of the is and you don't need more than so that last smear is not the part of the if the shear of the koi just rub is when I shed it's as if I did the whole thing [laughter] that means when I SHED I'M REALLY SHING everything I just didn't need to physically shack everything in order for it to be considered an as if I treated everything it's to me that understood that the way and the way Rubik works is is that really I need to shack the entire simmon. The of says you have to shack the entire sim. No teaches me that if I shack the roy it's as if I shacked the entire sim. But here's the point. It's true if I shack the roy it's as if I shacked the entire sim. But what if I decided TO GO AHEAD AND CHECK THE WELL THEN THE is happening not all day the is happening all day and if I go ahead and I mess up that look at the is going to be puzzle meaning the is not any less a part of the than the first parts of the nas I don't physically have to do it in order for it TO BE BUT IF I DO PHYSICALLY DO IT then the didn't happen I'll day the happened I'll my messed it Mali if it was the last me if it was the first mid the reason there would be a between the last mid and the first mid would be because I didn't have to do the last the last not part of the if the last is the as the first mid is well then I HAVE TO GET THAT PART RIGHT JUST LIKE I have to get this PART RIGHT NOW IF I work with so I did then we consider it as if I did the last part in the same way also picashas I got everything I NEEDED TO GET BUT ONCE I decide to go ahead and do the and I mess it up. Turns out a part of the was messed up. Part of the is messed up. That in it of itself is going to be an issue. That's the ink mahalak of the balei as it relates to understanding rashi. I saw in the sher this is in ya simur. He asks a bomb kasha a kasha from the world of kachchin the Mishna in lid. We saw this Mishna together in some of the previous over here discusses that was done by the and we know that all that was done in kipper had to be done by the kang. So Mishna says that when the would do the so he had to act fast. So what he do is he would check and then he would allow someone to finish the what does mean in it means he would finish the last uh part of the he would do the proverbial and he would quickly run ahead and do the now ordinarily the if he wanted to sh the entire animal mitzvah we know when it comes to scotch he would check the whole thing by himself but over here he couldn't check the whole thing by himself He didn't have that liberty because he needed to be the one that was going to do the kabala cuz all that had to be done by it. So he would check and he would quickly do the who would do the last it would be done by somebody that wasn't a says that we go that when it comes to the as much as you don't have to DO IT BUT IF YOU DO IT YOU better get it right why is it okay for someone that's not the kind to go and do the mir TO DO THE MASTRA OF the onful has to do all the and that's why he's doing the up until the and that's why he's DOING THE AND HE SHOULD ALSO have to DO THE MIRA WHAT ARE YOU GOING to tell me cuz YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUT ONCE YOU DO IT IT'S A PROBLEM SO IF no one's going to do but how could you allow to go ahead and do it once the non is going to go ahead and he's going to do it at that point. At that point, at that point, it turns out that the mia was done not by a kong. And if the mia was done not by a why is that different than why is that different than where you find that even though you don't have to do it, but based on the basis love this once you do it, YOU BETTER GET IT RIGHT. WELL, if a non went and he did the mira on, why is that not an issue? a bomb kasha a kushiatsuma from dab then is there's another kasha in the world of ken this kasha I saw in the in the right in the beginning of also known as carbonus right the is called carbonus it's if somebody goes and he And then he did the mirror. It's going to be because once you got rid of it, right? So who cares that you did at that point in what's going on over here? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YEAH, BUT IS A PROBLEM is a problem. It's a take. So why is it so that if a would go and he would do the end of the with a that would be because you got of it right. It's true. If you got it right, it's fine. But the me you the me that's a good pun. THE MINUTE YOU DO THE AT THAT POINT YOU BETTER GET THAT M RIGHT BECAUSE IF YOU GET THAT m wrong well then the basis it's on that then now you have that's already a problem. So at first glance at first glance we have two is a problem that's a yet in the world of if a non doesn't sound like that's an issue that's not a steer the law that states that had to be done by the and if you do the doesn't sound like that would be a problem at first glance at first glance what's the at first glance What's the now? It feels like the is right. That's certainly what it feels like. It's certainly what it feels like and is I had the a few days ago to meet Solvikita, my friend Pearl. he was staying at his house and um he gave me the opportunity to sit down and and to talk to him and a little bit of learning as well. So I asked him this kasha and he told me it's posh he said it's posh because when you it's considered when you it's considered a so that's why it's going to be a problem it's not and that's why in the world of where we'reing not does it have to be done it's not so I said one second right so you always have to understand the rem said that and is really one of the and that's why so he said right away that he just means and that was pretty much the conversation he told me to take a look at and he said take a look at the whole conversation took lessons 60 seconds. But the bottom line is I have tell one thing but the boom the bottom this was his mahal there has to be some over here between and between the which is going to be more the I also had to discuss this with one of the brisker shivas this week and um over the phone and he told me that he said He said that doesn't bother him. He said that he said why? He said because what's the says that the had to be done by the he said it's it's just the has to be to the has to do the he said it's if the does of the and then somebody's going to go ahead and he's going to do the it's not considered that the didn't do the meaning there's no den that says that if a nonod does avoid the avoid becomes possible Zarus right there's no that says that if a nonod does avoid the apostles it says that that the congodle has to do the as long as the congod did of it it's considered that the congodle DID IT I SOMEONE else did the last me who cares that doesn't bother me the fact that a nonodle did the mute that doesn't stare the fact that doesn't stare the fact that the ro of it was done by the kong godle so that it's still considered that Kongo did the and as long as we can see it as if the kongo did the in of itself is going to be enough and it doesn't bother me that also did it meaning let's say could do it and a nonod could do it IT WOULD BE MAYBE fine again after that divide the but if it was done by the he said and um told me a very very long but I just want to suggest Maybe one thing and maybe it's posit at least again this is clearly for conversational purposes only and that is and that is that why is it that if somebody has a as it relates to let's talk about the second said that it's that if someone has by is it's not going to disqualify the carbon. Why is it different than which is a which according to as quoted by the with the lumbus of the it's true even on the gal I didn't have to do the mute but if I messed it up it's a problem so I didn't have to do the at the very very end but if I had let it disqualify let it pass so why is it that if you do is it's a problem I just asked the question a little bit better right So right this is uh to quote my son that's the first question everybody asks when they start learning kachum [snorts] so why is it that if you have you know it's going to be a problem the liner said okay nobody have a why should a maka be a problem when you're doing kchim also said that after sitting and learning kachch for two years you still don't have a clutter exactly how to answer that question but the bottom line is I think he's right but the bottom line is is that what what's what's but the in the brisk is it's based on the fact that anything that you need to do anything that's the carbon if you have a the is going to pass the is that is carbonus but you have to figure out a way to get the into the carbon right how do you bring how you your to the carbon so if you're doing something that's the carbon and you have a at that time that somehow brings the into the carbon and knocks out the carbon but here's the point the creates is anything that's in the carpet and really the to this is talking about but you know most instances it's the same and the BC the BC over there says You would think that if somebody does and he does in the world of pigleap And this is the that you see from here that anything that's if you have a pig like the talking about that is that is going to have the ability to go ahead and the carving. So maybe you could say it's posit that if somebody and then he fears and he does the is that that is considered and that's why is a problem in the level because like the was when you do the you're doing because not only of the in the entire it's just that you didn't have to the last in order for it to work. But once you right that's that's the way it works and it's for that reason it's for that reason in the event that you're it's going to be a problem and if it's considered a right I think it's posh I mean it's not posh but there's mock to say that it should be considered an avoid as well cuz a is considered a what you did in the midstra it should also be considered did in a what it is that you did in the midstra stating that let me ask you a question when you get up to the masra right now do you have to check it do you have to DO THE M YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO YOU COULD STOP RIGHT THERE IF I DO IT IT'S A IF I DO IT IT'S BUT DID I HAVE TO DO IT NO I DIDN'T HAVE TO do it if I didn't HAVE TO DO IT you can't have Because that's the rule. The rule is NOT which is also something I don't have to do. when you're learning the question is is the yes and it could be it's even the that ALREADY IS THAT BUT THE QUESTION is if that's the case if it's a and if it's an so why if I did the mira is I'm not going to ple the carbon THE THERE IS CUZ I DIDN'T have to do that and being that I didn't have to do that being that I didn't have to do that. So it's for that reason it's not it's not IT'S going to tell you THAT'S NOT IT'S BUT THERE'S A TONIGHT IT HAS TO BE WHEN I GET UP TO THIS point I don't have to do the next move if I want to drop my guns I could drop it take the sword put it on the floor let's make peace I have every right to do that I have every right to do that means it's not my active anything if it's not my active out It's going to be okay. And I think I have a brewer to this the beginning of per the fourth per of so whether the of the was if somebody would have the says but says true for as well. If somebody would have a pelis during any one of those raas it would be a problem once I do the first at that point if I would have a pelis by one of the later it would not disqualify the carbon why because once I did the first right I don't care what I did afterwards because I don't have the ability to pass after I ready made caution let me ask you a question is there anyone in the world who's going to tell you that the latter zas of the msb of the are not considered. Of course, there's and there's a mitzvah that you have to go ahead and you have to do. There's no sh in the world that THESE ARE REGULAR BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE A MAKLE. Why can't you have a mach's PICKLE? THE TER IS NOT OF BECAUSE IT'S NOT. So you see already that we could spout the and we could say that even though it's but it's only the I need to do where I have the ability to be uh I have the ability to have but the I don't have to do doesn't have that ability with the same way the I have to do the here I can have A THE LATER ARE ALSO now a little different because once I do the I have to do I'm done I already got my full you know I still have to do theap But again, that doesn't bother me. The bottom line is you see from it doesn't bother you. But here's the bottom line. The bottom line is is that when I go ahead and it's considered a it's considered an as well. Why then is it if you have it's not going to be an issue? It's because over there the criteria in order for this to be considered an for the to disqualify is it has to be anap that that I don't have to go ahead and do it. It turns out it's not it's true if I do it it's the same like the first part of the which was but right now we pause we freeze the screen and we say do I have TO DO THIS MOVE? YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. But do I have to fear? I DON'T HAVE TO FEAR. So if I don't have to fear, let it be an issue. You know when you learn you take for granted and right that's right like why is that right almost what do you mean is a big deal according to someone right try being a doing don't right it's not going to end well so these are not things you're allowed to do these are very active in That's the whole IS less than THE but it could be the mean I don't have to do that and if I You don't have to do that would make it bottom line is I think this is a fascinating concept and that is that when you learn is this big deal one of the most longish in the first part of isashi with there's other mahal and rashi by the way we may come back to this a lot more to talk about as it relates to the there's a lot there but it's interesting that when you learn the this Who are you? Nice to meet you. When you learn the mas gets its own name. It's called and the mir. You want to be a non do it. He did. I don't care. The whole doesn't bother me. It's clear that there's some distinction going on over here. The is the but could be this is the could be the is that when it comes to what we care about is it or is it because really that's the only thing I'm zoning in on anyways what I'm focusing on is not if I do it the whole nine yards but I don't have to do it and it could be that I don't have to do it that makes it So that EVEN IF I DO it and I do it the wrong way, it could be it won't be an issue.