Chulin 49

Today's and we are five lines from the bottom of somebody found a needle in a piece of liver. So he brought the meat to Mar who was the son of Rav and his initial reaction was that it should be a problemashi told him let's say the needle wouldn't have been found in the liver but it would have been found in another part of the meat of the animal would you have said the same thing meaning why is the that if there's a needle inside the meat of an animal that it should be a trafa I mean presumably it would be a traer because the needle caused the neckv But a nev renders an animal a tra it's in very specific organs. The organs that are mentioned in the organs that are mentioned in the tabish the liver is not one of them just like any other piece of flesh of the animal is not one of them. So Ashi told him why is it that if you're saying that this is said I disagree with you I'm going to give you a different side. We have to look at the needle and we have to see what direction it's pointing in. meaning where is the sharp side of it and where's the blunt side of it? If the sharp part is facing out, so it looks like the needle was inside the liver and now it's making its way out of the liver. In that case, we are going to assume that it's a problem because we're going to therefore say that how did the needle get into the liver? It probably went through the veset. It must have punctured a hole somewhere along the line and as a result it made this animal into a tra. If however it looks like it's coming from the other direction. It looks like it's on its way in then we're going to assume that the way the needle came into the animal was not through the veset not through the digestive system but rather somehow it got in through the rhea through the trachea. And although usually things are not swallowed via the trachea it can happen. We're going to assume that's exactly what took place over here. If that's the case, you don't have to assume that there was a neck that took place in any of the vital organs that would render the animal tra. So basically, you want to look at the needle, what direction it's pointing in, use that as circumstantial evidence to determine exactly how the how the needle got in. Meaning it's not the needle in the cover per se that bothers me. That's not the issue. The issue of Ashi said is if you want to be concerned, it's how did the needle get into the liver. So you have to now look at the genesis of this needle. It came in somehow. If it went through the veh and for sure there's an issue here. If it went through the or not and somehow he felt that by looking at the direction of needle that would be able to determine says this is only true if you have a big needle. If you have a smaller one the bottom says that the small needles are sharp on both edges. So really you can't determine anything based on the sharp side or the blunt side because they're both sharp said something interesting but at first glance it would seem to be in odds with another is that if you find a needle in the so that's one of the four stomachs of the animal. So the is like this there two membranes that encased the basis if if only one of the membranes were punctured by this needle that was found inside going to be cautious som if both of them were punctured then it's going to be a tra makes sense if both membranes are punctured that's a real neck so it makes the animal a tra if only one of them are that's not a real neck because nothing is going to happen as a result of this neckv because it's only one of the layers But the other layer is still intact. As a result, the animal's not going to be a tra. But the ask when you find the mat in the co. It's not the negative in the covet that bothered you. What is it? It's how did the mak get into the covet? And you have to start hypothesizing what might have happened. Did it come through the vash? Did it come through the ka? And we said depending on the direction of the needle, it could be we'll have to assume that it came through the vashid. And if it did, it's going to make the animal a tra. So, why don't you say the same thing? If you find the in the So why is it automatic that if there's one neck being that the neck per se in the doesn't make the animal a trao this animal's going to be kosher forget the nek in the how did the [snorts] get into the to make the nek in the it either came in through the vash or through the con so why don't we say look at the direction of the needle and that should potentially make this animal a is that's one of the stomachs of the animal. So the food is there. You have very easily flip the needle one way or another. So again the direction of the needle is not going to be evidence of what what might have happened. As a result if there's one nek with the we don't assume that it came in through the vash and caused problems. The only issue would be the nek itself. One neck is not a tra it's neck that punctures both membranes. That's when it's going to be an issue. Says there was a needle that was found in the great vein that's attached to the liver. So similar to the previous Garra, but in the previous gam the was found in the liver itself. Here it's found in a vein that's next to the liver. So says Hun who was the son of Ravidi thought that I I think it should be a problem. He brought the sha which rail. So he said I think you have to take the shirts away from the ones that said that it's tr in other words the ripe sock over here is that it's going to be kosher. And even though Rav Ashi said that if you find a needle in the liver there it could be depending on the direction of the needle it might be an issue that's because it was found in the liver itself here already was found in the vein and to make the assumption that this makat came through the vashet through the d to the digestive tract into the liver and now into this vein that's way too many steps. It doesn't it's not reasonable that that happened. It's much more mabber that it got into the vein the vascular route through the ka as a result the ones that said sh take their shirts away meaning they have to reimburse this man that came and asked the shil because you just took away a piece of meat that was kosher by rendering it there was a date pit that was found in the gallbladder of an animal said I remember that I was learning yeshiva this shil was brought up and he said there's nothing to talk about. This must have come through the trachea. And the reason is because if it came through the trachea, then you could say that it went down the trachea into one of the veins and that's how it ended up in the gallbladder. If it would have gone through the esophagus, it would have to puncture out through one of the organs, right? That's how it would go from the vashet and eventually end up in the ma. Being that the pit isn't sharp, we're dealing specifically with a date pit. It's for that reason it's posited that Raashi said our memorand saying you for sure assume that it came through the ka you don't have to worry about any punctured holes and therefore the animal's going to be kosh the garra says I forgot see what happened in this case was they tried getting the pit out of the ka the other way put it in reverse and it wasn't going out so they said I don't understand you're telling me that it came through the ka we can't get it out from the kunner so isn't that a riot didn't didn't come in through the ka it's not a riot cuz nibble it could be that it made it through the ka over an extended period of time. This animal had this pit in its ka for a very very very long time and over an extended period of time it made its way down. We're trying to st it out now in in 3 seconds you're right that doesn't work but it's not a that it didn't come in says this is only true for a date. What if you have an olive pit? That's sharp being that it's sharp. You don't have this and there you have to assume that it may have gone in through the so we're wrapping up the discussion of so it says you ever wonder why the lungs in Aramaic are referred to as the it's interesting the says that the reason the is called the because that's the one part of the animal that you have to be. So it's real. You have to look very very carefully to make. But that's not what the Gumar says. The Gmorra says because it's very good for a person's eyesight. It's very healthy that when said that the is good for a person's eyes. Did he mean just eat the put it on the grill and eat it? Or did he mean that if you mix it up together with other herbs, you should buy a goose for and its lungs. You should even pay for the makes a very basic back of the envelope calculation. If you're going to tell me that the value of the is by eating it, just putting in your mouth, link it bazoo of it doesn't make sense. So you're going to pay your zoo for the entire goose and four zen for the rhea. Just buy the zuz, right? What would any Jew do? You buy the the whole goose for a zoo and you get the rhea. It comes includ must be a whole different thing. Must be the goose itself is a thea together with all the sam all the herbs all the drugs that are mixed up with it that already is for. So you see clearly that it must be what happens if after the animal already had a so the takes the out and he sees that there's a hole there but the hole is on the part of the that the or the was touching. So could we assume that the rail wasn't there prior to the and the reason the nek is there right now is because the was was touching it he was being maybe you're not allowed to be once you see a you have to assume that maybe the was there all along say you could be said you can't you can make my father he was one of rafam's. So back in the day the rabbi would get up and speak and he had a he'd have someone that would announce to the public and bellow out the rabbis. So said that my father was one of the khali rafam. He was one of Rafam's main speakers and he said that he heard from he wasn't said that I think that my grandfather had the right so's grandfather it was that was the first that we mentioned who said and what's the riot to that is that right after an animal a wolf comes takes the lungs and then brings brings it back and you see a a hole there. So we assume that it for sure came about from the wolf. Why don't you say that maybe the nek was there all along and we had the in the beginning of the so we don't assume that. So just like we don't assume that the Z put its fangs so to over here we have a right to be and say that if we saw that the the right after the touched the and that's precisely where you have the we could assume that he's the one that made the nek the nek came about after the it wasn't there prior and as a result this animal is not going to be a ma if worms are coming out of the rail the worms worms made a hole now in the soa is it a problem or not so the question is is that we saw this after the we don't know if the worms exited the before the or after the if it was before the you just didn't see it until after the so then it was at the time of the animals a tra if it happened after it's not a problem so what's one says you could assume that it happened before you have to you're allowed to assume that it happened after You can assume that it happened after the what's the is because you assume that the worm likes the cozy abode of it being in the live animal inside the lungs. Once the happens and it's not so comfortable anymore that's probably when it went out. So just based on and it makes more sense that the worm would have exited the after that's the more reasonable as it relates to the suffic over here is you have a right to be ex so before we go just one. So we just concluded a whole several daf about we're going to get into the kosher and kosher at the end of the but just for now one mentioned that why was the called that people would eat the and they would eat it specifically. So when I went to Gumra I had a based on that we spoke at a few times in if you remember the said an unbelievable theor said that as soon as the he severs the even if he didn't sever the yet which means that this animal from a standpoint did not have a proper yet that if the would get a nek it would be cautious It goes on the base. He said the reason is because the ray is attached to the ka and as soon as the is severed it's dead and any organ that's attached to the karma is considered to be dead as well. His was as if it's sitting in a basket. So if that's the case if a neck would happen to the when it's in a basket when it's already outside of the animal of course it would have made the animal a tra. So too if the was done with the and then something happened to the it's not going to be an issue and the said unbelievable it should come out according it should come out that you're not allowed to invite a non-Jew into your house and serve him the why not because the inner of the animal are attached not to the but they're attached attestive system of the animal they're attached to the esophagus. As a result, as soon as the just like said that the commander now the animal's still alive at that point, we know the animals says for several seconds. If that's the case, it comes out from a lumbar standpoint that [snorts] the benim were removed from the animal while the animal was still alive. That's what we know as a fear. He says for aid to eat is not going to be a problem because our definition of what's considered and not is not whether the a was removed from the animal while it was alive or dead but rather was the animal did the animal have a proper or did it not have a proper and if you take an a from an animal that had a proper even though it's alive it would not make it then so for that reason we're allowed to eat despite the fact that we view the as having been removed from the animal while the animal was alive cuz it's true. was alive for a few more seconds while it was but at the same time it had but who don't have so for them the definition of is not was the but rather was the animal alive and not alive we're removed from the animal while the animal is alive based on that said you're feed I'm not so sure it's true because it's going to come out in the laws of as relates versus the laws of relates to there's no such thing along what do you mean there's other examples of it the bottom line is that was the we mentioned that had a who asked he says he doesn't understand in every slaughter house there's many animals that are and what what did they do with those animals they sell to the so you don't have to get rid of it there are things you're allowed to do with these animals and that's what we do so you shouldn't have a tremend Tremendous m we sell to any his question was how you allow to sell an aa to a guy assuming that the aa happened at the time of the means the animal had a of some sorts but at the same time it was an aa so there was a shia there was a hrasa there was a but the point is that there was a once there's a if the animal was killed in that particular way that means first you se the sim the animal will still which means that were removed from a standpoint before the animal was actually killed. Which means for the [ __ ] are going to be now even though the said that the [ __ ] maybe could eat because immediately that's only if he is allowed to eat it but in this case the is not allowed to eat it because there was something wrong with the cuz at the end of the day although it was killed in the way but we batched up in one of the that governed the laws of and as a result at the end of the day the guy can't eat it the can't eat it if the can't eat it then the guy can't eat it. So by us selling to the guy we're being the guy name that was the kasha that he asked and he wrote a whole he wanted us to do a to a guy and that was the name of his selling the the toy take a non-Jewish partner he had it all worked out and told him that he number one doesn't like the solution that this Talmud was proposing because he thought it caused more problems than it solves but in terms of the he had two and the one that we have to for now is the second one he said and I want to tell you a clum and he bas and that is that the only time you say that's if you're somebody and you know for sure the person is going to do the but if it's possible that the person's not going to do an that you don't have to worry about I want to tell you a says that if somebody eats the of an animal. It's not real meat. Someone that eats it. Interesting. But either way, so it comes out that really people weren't likely to eat the so much so said that if somebody eats the of an animal, he's not even a person. That's says [snorts] that being that when it comes to you're always allowed to be like we had in these sug because of choice you could be he have a right to be and assume that the is not going to eat it and if he's not going to eat it you're not being based on this right here where the says what struck me is what about the so we're talking about says nobody eats okay so based on that you know the guy's going to eat it with the of that's very nice for that are attached to the what about the of one of the most that's why I thought it was worth repeating that right there the ray was attached to the as soon as you se the command so I thought who eats the lungs of an animal right it's I don't think it's on the local it's on the menu of your local diner right so who eats lungs but that is but you have a gamar right here the gamar says before they used to eat the lungs. If that's the case, what happened to the I found in a chuvo in he asked this. He says very nice you answer but what about theo? So the truth is the truth is that the Gmorra said that people ate the when was when it was mixed together with that means it's only when it's together in au is eat something that's the other that's the when he became the Frankford the mind it was the first that was ever asked him where you had the bird that jumped into a vat of butter and it died and you have to get rid of And they said, "What do you mean? Why do you have to get rid of it?" "Oh, because it's only is not immediately." No, that's not what I meant. The reason is because the bird while it was alive was maflet into the and as a result you have a and a pl of so what are you going to do with You going to give it to a guy is to a guy and they asked the who was an of the of the said what kind of what's in this said I understand it's true to a guy but over here it's really what you're dealing with is Tom since when is Tom problem for a guy for a that's a parish that's the top what does it have to do with a guy and they were back and forth is there a do you say b when it comes to a guy not so could be it's because over here it sounds like they used to eat the together with the salar if it's in the maybe you would have a so [snorts] it depends really do you say was that there's no when it comes to a even you're going to have for a regardless I think that's totally and all that but the truth is another problem over here because what is the of an animal so now that we know the sugis a little bit we're a little more comfortable now in these sug is what's the BMI and the food comes from the vashan and goes into the intestinal area the cave the liver is technically considered part of the bayim of the animal let's think of a bird the corkan so we had very very briefly we're going to have the corkan coming up again in the the cork they say saw the cork he said the cork he knew it from the sug this is the cork that's the gizzard of a knife right that's that's something that people that's something that people eat so so you have assume the go is not going to eat the cork of he's not going to eat liver chopped liver who doesn't eat chopped liver so I mean all these things that you have to sounds like an abstract part of an animal that nobody's going to eat but the truth is it's not so posh so I'll tell you something interesting is he brings this it's in in the middle of so all familiar with what's used a lot in slang but what's It's that even though it's something you don't have says the even though people eat it and are not considered it says three olive Which one do we need? If somebody eats the but it's the and it's true that is referring to all of this and it governs that that it makes those parts in the animal but people still eat it. In fact, if you look at the Taz, the Taz discusses goose liver or duck liver, right? It's a very food. So is that a realist how could you say that it's considered very very and he brings from the Ram says that even though certain things are they are they considered realist they're not considered but the truth is and if it's considered today doesn't matter that once upon a time it wasn't realist not like everything matters on what it was in the times of what matters when it comes to these is so right Now duck liver goose liver is very says the and as a result I don't I don't believe that even though the said that that kind of liver would be if that's the case there are parts of the animal that are technically you shouldn't be able to apply the way the applied it unless is going to say that it's enough of a yet I think that this is just all the cashes on just shows you how far took this that when it comes to you're allowed to be you could think the unthinkable and as long as there's any sad to be at the end of the day I have a says I know of and I know the said that the the liver of the goose is is not technically although it talks about the the geese and the ducks so it could be that's a little different anyways but the bottom line is is that it's all in in this of being how far you allow and you see that it goes pretty far either way. So argued in the mission said that a hole in the lungs only makes the animal if the animal goes in if the if the hole goes into the base. So those are the bronchi the bronchial tubes that go from the con and they make they navigate their way through the lungs refer to your picture either way said that it has to puncture a simp ones that branch out. It has to be the so he told him which which are you referring to the one from Arabia I heard that he said you saw where came from he met who said over his follows said I said we were we came to the we once traveled and we came to the land of and we asked him and he told us that really what he said was how could you walk around saying that he told him really if that's the case let me tweak it He took it. He took out it wasn't but he was sticking with it wasn't it was the bottom line. So we return our attention from the to the cave. So what's the cave? The cave is one of the four stomachs of the animal. That's from tomorrow we'll go into detail and talk about all the different stomachs of the animal. But the the gimar really begins its discussion of the neckv of the ka with a little bit of a digression. So we'll do what we do. So we know that the of an animal is in fact if somebody eats the of an animal even a kosher animal is talks about what's a carbon that a person has to bring if he ate is even in a kosher animal it's a stating that not all of the of an animal is the fat big chunks of fat are but there's some fat you're allowed to eat, right? Your meat has fat on it. So, not all fats are we'll see soon that there's four mentions of fat in the Torah when the Torah talks about the and from there we learn that there are four parts of the fats of the animal that are in fact awesome. We'll see that on the bottom of the but for now the Gar begins its discussion with the the fat that's on top of the ka this part of the animal one of the stomachs of the animal said that the khan used to eat the shaba. Why the kahhan? Because the ka was one of the matuna every that any did once upon a time he take the and the ka and he would give it to so what about the fat that's surrounding was the said yes and they were basing it on something in the name of and a good way to remember that it was who was the one that was the for the kahan because was and he helped. So we know so who benches the bench. But in that you see the benching. Who benches the said that it says and then what does it say? What's saying I'm going to bench the kahhan. So tells the khan you bench and I'll bench you. That's what says no I I understand differently. You know what means it's not Hashem saying I'm going to bench the but rather it's Hashem saying I'm going to be mas to the giving the so the going to bench and says I second that so to speak I am going to be mas to the giving says the only know that get told anyone that gives you a I'm going to give a so that means based on they're going to end up getting a as well. The bottom line is we have when it says what does mean says it's Hashem telling the I'm going to give you what say? No, it's Hashem saying that I'm going to acknowledge I'm going to be masculine. so to speak to the that giving so the getting a coin is getting a was a he was a that was the by learning that the means that the going to get WASN'T A HE SAID THAT NO IT'S not referring to the kayan getting it's referring to Israel but the asks that at the end of the day both and agree the going to get according to according votes from says what's according to everybody which is there's no difference so yeah is a little bit more because within the of the rest of all of the are getting a and as well whereas according to when there's aim the somehow excluded and it's just like some external with a little bit of a thing. Oh, they get the based on that according to they're all part of now it's you give the to them I'm going to give the to you. It's like a step removed so to speak but regardless that's what the says either way. So you find was a mess. What do you find about and it's that it's the same was looking at him as well. He was the one that gave the kayer to eat the fat that's around the cave. Okay. So where's that mean? We establish that has this that he looks out for the but now we're dealing with a very specific that he was. Where does that come from? says we learned in a Bryce it says so just a little bit of of before we learn this next so the to the ironically is a compass it comes from why because the play a very special role in a carbon whereas most of the meat of an animal was eaten by the had to be burnt on the m any that had to be burnt on the misbeh if it was part of a carbon is the that's if it's part of a regular animal that's not either way the says like this so which will go on the again this is important because whatever is going to go on the is not going to be able to eat the covers the again those are the kidneys that's on the kidneys again referring to uh the rash says flankish that's another part of the fat either way said that there's four mentions of in this is one is two is three that's the fourth one see four mentions what are the four referring to. So one is referring to the that's on the caris that's one of the four stomachics the other one is referring to the k that's on the hems in the bacis another one is referring to the exalen kidneys that's mafurish the fourth one is a discussion in the garra later but what the discussed was not the four explicit [cough] mentions of in the but rather the second so that were The ace the VV is coming to teach me something. What's the VV coming to teach me? He says the so you have to change the gear. It's the ace coming to me that on the intestines even though it's not one of the four explicit mentions of but it's included in the no it's referring to the that's on top of the ka so what do you see from here according to you're not allowed to eat the k that's on the ka according to you're allowed to eat the k that's on the ka because that verb is not coming to the on the ka what's you seem was the one that allowed that was the same just like the that's on top of the is encased with a memory and the fat can very easily be removed. So too any part of the animal that has this covering that can very easily be removed. So it has two characteristics. Number one, it's encased with a membrane chrome. There's a chrome around it. And number two is you can peel off the fat very very easily. That's the fat that's going to be problematic. He has a third characteristic that just like that's it drapes all around the and it's encased in a membrane and it can be very easily removed. I've either way the Gmorra is that based on and's understanding of what type of should be what type of come out just the opposite because the that's has a chrome and it makes iter has to also drape around it does not drape around which means which is just the opposite from the way we just had it says Robin who was he lived in soul he sent the telegram back to bubble he said I just heard from the second that's the real one you have to flip the first one it was never says how do you know how do you know which is the ones he said in the second there was a whole behind it because you look at the that's on the car what's the unique characteristics there's two character traits there's three character traits the Second is a little bit more comprehensive [snorts] than the first one. That's how we know that's the but says that all the excitement that we have we just spoke about for a few minutes comes out. It's not like it's the one who was messiah not what did it say himself argues he holds that the kayan would not let it eat the that's on the cave but he heard from by the way it's also but wanted to bring a sim you want to remember it's not confusing it's voice of exo so before we go back to just one other so we had over here. It's just worth really exhaling for a minute and that is so we had when it says what does that mean according to means is saying you're giving who's going to bench you I'm going to take care of you had a little bit of different said no saying I'm going to say it's very nice that are giving breakfast and what does says I'm going to be mas the in it's in so first the RAM mentions that not every could there's few exceptions meaning there are some not but for the most part can do says as follows that as it relates to that doesn't have one of those except perv one of those exceptions to where he's not worthy of even though he's not he doesn't even have a good reputation. We know he's not still you don't stop says the rabb tell him not to do him because he's a bad guy. So because he does a he shouldn't do either he does he does a so he has to deal with his a but but why should he do another a so why should he go ahead and be says the here's the punch line you're going to ask yourself a question so this is going to get up he's not a he's not a nice guy people don't like him he's not doesn't do mitzv and he's going to get up he's going to and you're going to hide under your talent and you can't wait to get a from this says the probably wondering right says don't think I' given you the do the mitzvah that they were commanded to >> [cough] >> is the one that gives the says the ram you can have this he's going to get up and he's going to give a you're going to wonder what what kind of what kind of is this as the ram you have nothing to worry about you know the says it always bothered me that theor says we learn from [cough] the learn from that gave you the sky. So we learn from there really says it in another place the context over there is a well-known and he said and he gave him a so everyone knows that but not everybody knows it's not part of the song is the last line the very last line we We're from there but Alicia wasn't a but he's giving a so you see from there so why do you have to come on to we have the anecdotal cases of where learned from THERE [laughter] gets up and he gives you a so you see from I think the Ram is the terret meaning the Ram's acknowledging that this might be ahead but at the end of the day it has nothing to do with that. It's in a cha it's a long there's so many beautiful things there. So he says that you know after he finishes so what does he say we say but what does the say and there's a whole he continues so he's bothered what's this he said he heard this from his father is is pretty strong really what does it mean? So he says everybody knows right in the beginning of paras what does the say the word in Aramaic is a gazer is when you're doing something that really makes no sense he said I heard from my father he said he said he said he loved it but he said his father did see he said he said he said because themes if you think about it that you have a a gets up And this who's he doesn't make any sense says the whole idea he's getting up he's do this who might be ahead yet he's going to give a to the god of how's that possible it's you're right doesn't make SENSE IT'S THAT IT'S A IT'S SOMETHING that he says that that's what you find what's in something that has no right. So anything that really is a is is referred to as that's based on that in the beginning of paras. Either way, a little bit more. Where are we? of the animal mean the parts of the that you're allowed to eat has an ability to plug a hole that would otherwise render the animal avoility to be what's in lie of the previous makes a lot of sense because the one of the characteristics of it is that it's niklaf it comes off very easily so if it comes off very easily it's not so embedded in this ne as a result that's why it doesn't have an ability to be which doesn't come off easily that is says argued and he said no even [snorts] could be what about now has no at all is it at the end of the day of so based on that it should or is it based on the story that we just said? The [snorts] reason to is because it's more inshed as opposed to so the of that's not imshed should also not be able to be is it a din is iter is it is it is it is it based on everything is tar so it should always be or is it based more on the physical characteristic it just so happens the is one way of is another way if that's the case even though the of is always going to be maybe should be said I understand it's going to be that it should be a problem says it was a neative in an animal that should have made the animal a but it was brought to I don't know what the problem is number one it's and amazingly saying that I'm going to go like and said that Even has an ability to be said only said this should be said I don't know if this is one reason or two reasons but he was saying you know we're dealing with money and we know so based on that I think should be that it should be told I don't understand you have on the one hand said is not the deal in this direct right obviously you can't because is is something that can be invoked but very very carefully very sensitively you have to know when you can use it over here by you saying you're going and you're missing no way in the world you can rely on exhale again so uh really have to exhale so just [laughter] so before we conclude because tomorrow really we're going to get in we'll have a little bit more and then we'll be talking about the stomachs of an animal but for now just one final going back to what we were talking about at the end of yesterday's stuff. So we mentioned that even though we're learning and it's a huge huge per and it talks about a whole bunch of different body parts of the animal and different traers stating that the right in the beginning of says that you should know that you don't really have to worry about traers. I don't even think about it. If you see a trafa, okay, then you saw it. But to go out of your way and start testing the animal and running diagnostics to see whether it's a tra you don't have to cuz that's where the one of the reasons. So you don't have to worry about it because you have everything except for one thing that is the you have to check the to make sure that there's no circus. So amazingly you have this huge peric perus and pictures and everything all over the place. But really the practical part of this for the most part comes down to three lines in this and that is the on the bottom of the so again what were the circus? the circus are these adhesions which are either a sign of an injury that was that's the way Rashi learns or of an injury that's going to be that's the way Tyus learns but regardless if there's an adhesion on the lungs we assume and based on that that's obviously going to be an issue so from a standpoint the says you have to check the surface so how exactly do you check the circus so we started yesterday mentioning that really it's a and in simil cutting your gimbal says that it's very simple right after they shacked an animal so they suspend the animal there's a he comes and he does aikas pinn it's called he does like an internal exam he sticks his hand on the ray it's the only thing you have to check and he push he he's goes around the ray area if he feels any friction there's any inhibition anything's in the way that means it might be a he pulls it out if it looks like a done there's nothing you can do if it's something that's just You could tell it was nothing. It's what referred to as a rear then it's not but as long as it's a any type of adhesion there's no further testing necessary that was memor there's nothing to do at that point it's automatically going to be a tra saying that said there was a hat the was there were people that they had these were these were they would pull the out and if they saw they didn't automatically assume that it was a that would disqualify the animal but they would do what's referred to as mishmush and they would start rubbing it and and fetching it and lightly to see if it came off. The thought process was is that there's a that it's even if you're the whole day, it's never going to snap. And if it snaps off, that's a that it's not a that disqualifies the animal. Nothing to do with injuries and neg. And as a result, there's not going to be a problem, says the Rama. And even though it's a that's what's said it's the rush. He says make sure this is a because you have to be so careful when you do this. It's not an easy to do. So you have to be very very careful to make sure that it's being done properly. Then the Rama says that even though I'm allowing you to do it because that's the minute but I'm only comfortable allowing it with the notur the already I'm not so comfortable but then says what should I do I would prefer that at the very least you you do what I told you to do and not to rely on it for the first [snorts] bottom line is is that the Ram said that he saw a tremendous that just because it's a doesn't mean you could do this test what's called and assuming that the comes off based on the that's a right that this is not the and based on that you would not have an issue wasn't so comfortable with it but at the end of the day begrudgingly he said I'm okay with you being on that we mentioned that the minute in always was that in the follow any he got rid of it and the Ashkanazi Kryen they followed the minig of the Rama stating that exactly what the test was evolved with time and we mentioned from the Bavin who said that he already had heard that about 100 years earlier that's it's going back to the 18th century or so in Prague there was a minute to do kilo and we mentioned the different stim the said that anyone that relies on this thing called Michael we spoke a little bit about that yesterday but this is where it gets interesting we're all familiar with the term of kosher and glaucoma. So what's the difference between kosher and glacos? Historically it was very very straightforward. You have the ram. The ram said that you could take the ray out of the animal. It could have circus on it and you can still eat it. Now if you do the mish and it plays out then it's going to be okay. Historically not everybody wanted to eat meat like that. So you go to your local butcher shop, you go to your and you'd say, "I want a piece. It's a glat kush." Glat kosher was when you didn't have to rely on the rama, but you pulled the out and it was clean. It was a It was a perfect It was like, it was perfect. It came out with no issues. That was glad kosher. The kosher was relying on the which is not terrible. The says that everybody's doing it. It's not the end of the world. Some he's not so comfortable with. But at the end of the day that historically was always the difference between kosher and glac kosher stating that today it's very different and the reason is today most animals we rely on this muk and mishmush or kil the way it's being done today which means that when you buy your glat kosher ft yeah prime rib you're most likely relying on kil you're most likely relying on it's not glat kosher in the technical sense but what does glat mean? It's the word, the definition. Glat means smooth, right? There's no circus, right? That's what glat means. It's not a higher standard of kashas. That's the way it's used in on the street, but that's really not what it is. If you want to be technical, technically it's just gl one that had no circus on it, and you have the nons smooth one. The problem is even your glac kosher me today had circus on it. So, what's the difference between kosher and kosher? What's what's pasha? What's the difference today? So the difference it's really based on on the and in the back of the he has a it's called he talks about this and and the origin of this because it's not so clear but the reality is this today we're we're only if there aren't many circus number one so they're few quantitatively additionally they're not big circus so they're small qualitatively if however you have either large or you have a many then in your glac kosher slaughter house it's going to be so they're going to sell they're not going to use it so the difference today between your kosher and your galat kosher is how far we take this rama do we take this and say as long as it can come off with kof or withish I don't care how many circus there are or how big the circus are or no we we use it but sensitively that that is the between kosher and glac kosher. So your glat kosher is going to rely on the ram if it's not really glat because glat would mean that there's nothing on it. So your glad kosher would rely in the ram only for small and if there aren't that many your kosher would lie in the rama even if they're big it doesn't matter what exactly it's going to be the question is where did this come from where's this between big and small didn't mention that I was very clear didn't like it to begin with and even came around and he said but he didn't like it for that today even if it's a we're going to go like we're still going to Make we make for all circus. It's not a question of are they circus between and that's not what that's not what we do. It's just simply the size of it. Is it this big? No. This small? Yeah. This many that little that's really what it's going to depend on. It's almost like had his definition of when he was comfortable with us removing. We do it a little bit differently. I mean that's what Rabbi Aiv discusses in his what the origin what's the to this between big and small and many and few but regardless that's what kosher and glac kosher means today what's there's no circus at all there's no circus at all so the truth is I mean if you think about it is is is is much more mud it's not even a question it's much more mud because we're relying when we eat meat that had circus on it we're relying on a kula that the ra was so uncomfortable says there's nothing to talk about. So we're coming on the didn't like it. Of course the we spoke from the even with the he said and you can't be you have to be it's true but in the world of and in the world of this would seem to rank very high because at the end of the day you're dealing with real issues and we're dealing with and and you're dealing with something that we're basing on that the Rama himself didn't like so much and even today there's kasabi kulas cuz with the kil that's not that's questionable there's so many questions. I'll just tell you a double that I found you know the chuv blaz of fleckless was a movie. So he wrote it's printed in Gimmel of it's impossible to find the but it's been out of print for a long time but but if you find he wrote a a commentary he wrote a commentary on the so this is in one of the he says the end of sim test it's actually the last piece in simil anybody quote this this is a I think a nice who's The majority of is always it's just the opposite over here was and was the listen to what listen what said he says would have gone in the reverse So [snorts] he says took on and it's and in a way it's a good thing because there's so many in the so when we take on there's so many but said when we were to be ashkenaz took on the right was an Ashkanazi god. So he says when Ashkin Basok on the they had to take on one. What was the they took on? Didn't have to but that's inevitably what happened. The of says I think it was because there's more that come from that one of than come from all the has throughout unbelievable right says the we have As a result, it's and you don't have to be mahara after