Chulin 85

Today's daf is and we are 24 lines from the of so we're learning the of which are learned from one in the tucked away the says so if somebody catches either a or an what's notably omitted from the we'll see what that means later in the der you can't just leave the blood lying ground on the ground but rather there's a mitzvah of either way the mitzvah of relates to or a knife it does not relate to yesterday at the end of the d we spoke out a little bit about the mitzvah of we mentioned the and tucked away in that of is related to is that although the Torah said it's okay to slaughter an animal but just like we're supposed to be sensitive to the way we slaughter it as opposed to which Ramban relates in parish inspirations to so there are other sensitivities as well and it's just would be somewhat insensitive to be eating from the while the blood is is lying around either way more and a little bit of lumbus with regards to the mitzvah of something was standing at the doorstep of the he said if somebody is you're allowed to be for him this person needed meat the only meat available was a live animal which required is one of the but for it's okay to said after you do the you're obligated to do and this was in fact a very big the reason is because involves doing a now if theur that you're going to use for was not prepared before shabas it's like a hard big clump of then by thinning it out so that you can now do the you may be doing a riso of even if you already have what's called so it's already thinner digging it up could involve and if it wasn't prepared there could be an issue of as well the point is could involve and certainly stating there said that being that we're dealing with the for him so we allowed you to do so certainly you can do the so heard and he said that's a I can't believe Raa said this not just that he said and he spoke very sharp he said remove the tongue of I don't want him to give Josh anymore if he's going to say things like this that you're after you this is a very big problem why does Robin know he's right maybe is right So essentially is our in this talking he said that it's a whether you have a mitzvah or you don't have a mitzvah because you have you have to do on that there is no being that involves depending on the situation but it certainly involves if it's a you cannot do thus we can't allow you to do what happens if you did the me says you see how do I know that maybe maybe if you being that there's a that there's an obligation to do maybe is any so he said no it can't be that way why not we know which involves still is a whole bunch of how you know that even on but the point is that if there's a vi obligation to do we know for sure that this is the eighth day of this child's life. So if you have a sufficient how would you have a suffic if a child was born. So we're not sure if he was born today or for his born yesterday. If he was born today, if he was born tomorrow. So now when the eighth day comes, it's but it's only a suffic because we don't really know when the child was born. Thus, we don't know when his so it's a basic but now I know that would not be because I know it is not certainly is not going to be had two rebuttals on what said number one is now we don't blow on means everywhere outside of the so outside of about like today we don't blow on chabas but the point is we don't blow on chas they used to blow on we don't blow on you have a suffic if somebody is obligated to blow on or not is he blows so but suffer we'll see later what that means So you see clearly that it's not just because something is not doesn't mean it's not going to be that's the first you're learning that if certainly shouldn't be as if they say is not But says, I can argue that ma is actually in a way more common because mil is not at night. We'll see what that means. It's never not but either way it back to said that just like can't be as opposed to which is not thus the you can't and if you can't do and told him back two caches number one because still you see so it's a black and white and number two he says I don't think you can for sure establish that is more than you're right on one level it's more but on another level it's less you can't do as opposed that you could do said with regards to the second who who was stated by that said regarding that heard he says I have no way to answer but was able to answer what do you see we want to take out one part of this price and although is going to analyze this price in great detail take us all the way to the mission that But that's going to be a digression. Really the the context what we need is we need one line. We need one excerpt of this and that is the said is not thus when the said that what was he referring to? wasn't referring to. So if somebody is you can't do so it's thus rab said that was you see from the great who was from the says we always pass like so and you're going to but the point is you see that doesn't it mean such a case and now you have a says how do you know that's meant maybe when said it's not he didn't mean this far-fetched case but we were maybe he meant someone was shabas like we had in the beginning of We had to get over there. Why are you not considered shabas? He says because maybe it wasn't you're not considered a m until the next all. So maybe it's talking about where you were of the person went he wasn't supposed to he not and over here said he's not going to be but the says seem to be equating it in that is talking about when we say that we mean where it's what you're supposed to do. So was making he must have known that even in a case of we had a right to do the still there's no so certainly is not shouldn't be. Now, if you're telling me that really we had a right to do the reasonab is because it's a mitzvah. That's that's what you're supposed to do as opposed to you're talking about a guy who was so maybe that's why there's no so from that's the it's clear that he must have held that even when you did it still is and it's for that reason that said what he said when he heard that so we're going to get back to but before we do that the is going to do a comprehensive analysis of this after he said what was that because there's a sufficient how did he know it is sufficient so which is not certainly a suffic that told what was the first one why not bring a not like you from we don't blow still what does it mean when we say that is it doesn't mean if you're not sure if today's is you could blow what's the other side on the suffic here the other side is you're certainly allowed to blow so why would that even newsworthy what it means is suffic if you have someone that's a suffic is you see that is even though is not so is the same But maybe that was the why was not to say is that a woman doesn't have an obligation to a man that brings a carpet has a mitzvah on his carpet. But a woman that brings a carpet doesn't have a if a woman wants to blow she can blow. Nobody holds that a woman has an obligation to but there is who hold that if a woman wants to she can so there's no meaning to the extent that she's allowed to. So there's no what's your case of that's only if there's an okay that's a good to what we're talking about there's because of whatever is involved in the of there is no is for a woman so that the zar with it's there's no mitzvah but it's it's at the very least okay thus there's nothing to learn from that's why was not that even who asked from I have a said at the end of the A in the last as opposed to you don't find anywhere that is meaning you want to respond to by saying that maybe should be able to be even though because precedence from that is not yet according to that that a woman is not allowed to blow says the I have a very basic on that the is that even though is not but it is so maybe because it's why even is going to be as opposed to you don't find anywhere that is going to be anything either way so the first was from and essentially the garra had a a question and a comment with regards to what the said number one the comment wasn't a spell number two we have a slay regardless what was the second the second was he said how can you learn from us is not it's not by that's not given by night. So you want to tell me that is more than so is not I could argue to the contrary. I could tell you that is more because as opposed to as opposed to which is not the language that the Bryer used mil is not at night. It's that on a regular Tuesday night sometimes we could do as long as it's not of course not what it means is you're right edit the doesn't mean it means in general either way who was the one that said the second was this is one of the things was referring to when he said that I heard a great that I couldn't answer the was able to answer either way before we go back. So the began with that got word of what said he was very very disturbed and he spoke very very sharply against what was the so this is that's dying with we could be and that's exactly what they did this person needed food he needed meat they did a onas the question is or an now is there a mitzvah or is there no mitzvah ordinarily of course there'd be a mitzvah problem is shabas and being that it's shabas doing involves maybe certainly the unless this was prepared before so the question is could you violate now the isim of because there's a mitzvah or no and said is a mitzvah to go ahead and do all the ask the obvious question what's What's I understand that it was okay to for this because he wasn't going to do anything other than there's nothing that gets in the way in trying to save a Jewish life. But at the same time, once we have the food that we're able to give to the once we do the there's no question of anymore. So really what we have at this point is is a mitzvah of Adam. Why should a mitzvah of be the whether it's the that's going to be involved? Now the truth is there is a concept of but over here where we're dealing with it's there's no why not number one shabas involves an there's no shortage of essays that relate to the of shabas. If that's the case, we know although besides if you're dealing with a real a realist which you may have in the event that you have to thin out the offer a little bit to do the shabas is this is 101. We know that even though I say so that I don't understand said that because he was so now all of a sudden there's a mitzvah to do is a separate mitzvah. Why in the world? Now if the was of course he do the neg is the meat. Doesn't matter if the dam is all over the place. that has no impact on the so if that's the case what's even asked for he didn't ask he said that I have a held for and he's probably not referring to someone that was a when he wasn't supposed to as in the he was discussing when he was a and this whole it seems to suggest that even is not asking me he's asking asina as I have a from a from a something that said but in this nobody seems to have a problem with this what in the world was that should be able to be right here says that if you take a look at Rashi seemed to have been bothered with this and Rashi said a very profound parit being once you're allowed to do the the is you're allowed to do all the mitzvah that involve the meaning once we say it's okay to do the actual so the The way the header is given is do the and you can do now the entire and the is one of the mitzvah of the as a result even though there's no reason that the per should be but once the is going to be all the mitzvah all the ancillaries that relate to the are going to be as well says the is a little bit but he says the beer is based on a that's quoted in the rush right here in parisia the rush says as follows We're going to see on Fridays that when you do you have to make there's a says the when do you do the mitzvah so ordinarily you do first you make the and then afterwards you you make you do the mitzvah stating that now when it comes says ordinary when you do a mitzvah you do it. That's only if you're going to make the before you did the mitzvah. But although it's considered a mitzvah in the mitzvah of but really it's not its own independent mitzvah. It's really the of a larger mitzvah. And if that's the case, if you're going to make a before the you're making a in middle of the mitzvah and you don't find anywhere that you make a in the middle of the mitzvah, you make the before you start the mitzvah and you do the after the mitzvah. comments on this but for now all we need is the says the unbelievable thing that even though mitzvah is you always make every you make the after the says the why he says because even though kisam is its own mitzvah in the of 613 but really it's part of a bigger mitzvah what's the bigger mitzvah so you have a mitzvah called that really spans two mitzvah interesting it's so it's one big mitzvah starts with and when it's it concludes with but in the mitzvah it's made up of two but in the world of lumbus we look at as one big mitzvah unbelievable so is it one or is it two it's not clear on some level it's one impact as we're going to see now on another level it's two the level of two it's in the mitzvah the has a mitzvah of the has a mitzvah of the ra has a mitzvah of the ra has a mitzvah the mitzvah the ones that count as a mitzvah them as two independent mitzvah. You have the mitzvah of you have the mitzvah of so they're two mitzvah but really they're two mitzvah they're two components of a larger mitzvah. Think of there are they one mitz or two whether we count it as one or two the two of the etc. Without getting into too much lumbus and too much of a digression but there is this idea where it's two mitzvah that together make up one mitzvah but either way the point that we need here's the punch line that as it relates to the only time you do that that's if the is going to be before you do the actual mitzvah. He says the before you do the mitzvah of is not after the before the that's really the end mitzvah. What would be before? Before would be before the you can't make the before you do the so as a result you can't do before the you can't do it after the before the cuz even though on some level it's but in the world of lus it's still in the middle of the mitzvah because it's in the middle of this lone mitzvah that that really makes up two of the 613 mitzvah. So what do you have to do? have to wait until after you do the he said because there's no option to do it is preferable but really option B would be after the mitzvah there's no such thing as making in the middle of the mitzvah thus you can't do it before the after because that's so you have no choice but to do it afterwards either way is that although it's a mitzvah but really it's The is a long mitzvah. It starts with the and it ends when we're dealing with and with the they're together one mitzvah. So when you look at it from the perspective you have the I can't make the on before the after the is the when I look at it from the perspective the doesn't end when I it doesn't end with until after I do the once they were so they were no means with the if it's part if they're one and the I think this and this saying the same exact that it's true it's two separate mitzvah but it's really once so now you can complete the that's not an ancillary component of but meaning the entire that's what it means I mean that it's entire it's for that reason that it's going to be okay just to end this with one super lumbus just a little food for thought and that is I saw in the says a beautiful lumbus the is we'll go through this very quickly but the over there says that you find there's certain that the is with for example and then you find there's cert certain that you don't say the punch line is not with but it's with the word. So the in he discusses when do you say it with and when do you say it with an says the rule is like this if a person is doing a mitzvah for himself then the is always going to be with if you're doing the mitzvah for somebody else then it's not with rather it's out and the ra explains you're putting on for those are all examples of let's say you're doing a you're not doing it for yourself you're doing it for somebody else and somebody asks you to please clap a muzz before him, right? So what's the if you make a for somebody else for somebody else, you're a says the stating that even though I just gave you this very neat rule, if I'm doing the mitzvah, my putting on my own fill in so If I'm putting on my own talis I'm mowing my own son then it's going to be if I'm doing for somebody else then it's going to be right that's what the says stating that the ram says there are some exceptions to the rule and I'm just skipping this is one extra as it relates to the mitzvah of and the mitzvah of in the beginning of is mitzvah Right. So which are mitzvah saying even though they're mitzvah being that they're like why they like cuz when do you make if you wash your hands to eat what if I don't want to eat I don't have to make an when do you have a mitzvah of if you have if you have a eat that's the only time you're supposed to eat meat right so uh that's when you that's when you eat meat otherwise there's no at all So says the as it relates to saying that it's get ready for this even if you for yourself. So going to be different because even though it's a mitzvah but at the same time it's a little different. It's a mitzvah but it's like why? Because usually when you think of a mitzvah I have to be I have to put on villain every day. It's not like if I die then I'll put on villain. No you have to put on villain right? There's no choice. So I think that's something that you have to do. So it's for that reason that's when you have this rule and depending on if you're doing it for yourself or for somebody else. But if the mitzvah itself is not something that I have to do. If I choose to do it, that's when the mitzvah triggers says the ra then you always say the so says the therefore when it comes to the same is true says the whole reg is fast. Either way that you want to know when you make the why you make the of as well. It's because even though they're mitzvah and if it's your own, you know, if it's my own, I'm doing it for myself. I'm not a for somebody else. I it's my backyard. I'm doing this for myself. It doesn't matter. You say it's because it's because is there an obligation to wake up in the morning and go it's I understand why because I don't necessarily have to if I don't want to eat meat I don't have to but what's the mitzvah of the mitzvah of is that if I and now I have blood splattered all over the place. So what's the is that you have to cover the it's a when you is not optional it's not at that point it's so said about I understand but as it relates to why is that and the said that for example why is I don't have to wear baggage so that I won't be what I have to I have to have a Makkah why do I have to have one if I don't have a house then I don't have to have a maka the terror is true but if you have a house with a roof you have to have a maka if you have a conflict now you have to have that triggers the so why should be ANY DIFFERENT ONCE YOU OF COURSE YOU have a mitzvah says with this rag maybe you could say a major maybe you could say that if you looked at as a mitzvah then you're right there's no question it's a mitzvah but being down on the base with the beer and the quoted by the rush right here in the said that although on some level it is a but after further review when you look into it a little bit deeper what you realize is the so gets defined by so that if a mitzvah then has to be a mitzvah because once we define the various which clearly is then the is also going to be a var because really what is it's a it's a of the mitzvah of either way just a little bit of lundus for a Tuesday morning again we're a day ahead if somebody and he found that afterwards that it was a If somebody or not, but is someone that's says there's a say there's no mitzvah of another somebody and it wasn't a proper it I don't know messed up in one of the that govern the laws of it was in a somebody doesn't at all meaning the only time is if you do a proper but the first part of the which is going to be the discussion of the remainder of the is somebody but the was can't eat a That's that's also a problem is is even a bigger problem is the says. So we're dealing over here with that we're not say at the end of the day. sounds like is where that's not mus is there or is there not no if it sounds familiar is because it's eerily similar to that we had in the end of this was on the same list almost with regards to over there it wasn't it was over there said the So in the okay no but where it gets interesting and again that's going to be the first is that what did say in the days that there isn't even what did they say over here with regards to so why did say that there's but there's Number come on number two why doesn't opine over here in the I mean after we spend time on it' be interesting to know where holds with regards to and how come there was no in the so what we're going to see and it's to speak this out before the and that is that really really the assumes that it's a double that is relates to and mayor's relates to the meaning is going to come out that who said with regards to said with regards to as well and mayor who clearly says so he holds no is going to be as well. So this you could apply it to this you could apply it to the question then is why who wrote the why did he have the in the essentially because he said and how come over here he said which is essentially either way saw what had to say by what mayor say the same thing he said by said that there's a even heel as well and rebi likes felt not he saw it but he he lied he appreciated it he dare heard it he dare saw it he he liked it so as a result he said that when it comes to oh everybody holds not really everybody he just liked so that's why when it came to he used as and he liked what had to say with regards to and as a result. So when it came to the he said over here meaning really was and was by it was by was picking sides said I like when it comes to I like when it comes to so when it came to he referred to simply as the sounds better when it came to over there he referred to the assh again they both held their both It's reb that's picking sides. Thus here mayor says the why mayor mayor who says that you have even a mayor it could be the worst in the world. It doesn't matter still which by definition is right is the quintessential taking what is the says a person who does that is so you see a concept from that is called he felt that when it says in So, so you're going to be in my time wise it says the context of this and the brothers they don't know whose is yet and they're going to sit down and they're going to eat meat. And what did say prepare food because the kept so when it says it must be so learns it from learns it not from a word but from a word that means says why learn it from why learn from he said doesn't make more sense learn from a that has the same exact word uses the word here the uses word every time the says this commentar asks this question say you can make from the word even though they don't even rhyme but simply because they mean the same thing So mean the same thing. So could have made from says it's true he could have always gives this answer said you could in theory make a but if there's a better option if you have two choices of one is two words that mean the same thing the other is two words that are the same thing. So obviously or would be a better or okay. So that explains why learner from that that's the wouldn't it make more sense to learn it from a par that's a story in in parates. Wouldn't it make more sense to learn it from say no had a problem because he felt so I'm going to learn from say well we know that as well doesn't bother me for learning from takes on a new name it's called there's a special malus so why why is that a problem this is not a parish that's exclusive to that I'm now learning from Kachchum. This is a para that relates to and to kachum. But being that it relates to Kach as well, I don't see any problem learning it from either way seemed to have responded very nicely to the says heard's he was impressed and he said that's meant when he said it was precisely this argument that liked and that's the reason that he picked sides and he referred to with regards to as the so again essentially with regards to held that when it says is an example of and still the uses the word so so too when it says it could mean it's referring to felt that he'd rather learn it from than learn it from why even though that seems to be the second choice because he felt that I don't want to learn from Rome said to as well thought rebi thought had a very good argument back to and that's why at the end of the day the in our is what about regards to meaning why with regards to is considered a Now it doesn't say the word in the par but it does say the word. So here again it's here doesn't say the word. So is not from the word is from the word says and it says by the mitzvah of again he learns it from why does hold that is not called by it says sounds like it has to be food that you could eat. That's not so there's no what mayor do with the word it's coming to mind for a non- kosher bird. But if you have a kosher bird and it just so happens you did it in a way where it's over there you're really going to be says responded back to mayor why you mayor agreeing to be from because it's not also not what's the difference between a and very good timer right something else there learns it's not because doesn't say the word it's over here didn't learn it from a mikim but rather what he learned Ed from over here was from the fact that it says anything that's not said it just means what's the difference between they're both not like said the point is is argued by and picked sides but one thing is interesting that even though you have the same just to get the clear you see it's not the same at the end of the day it's the same and the two are very similar but it's not the same meaning there's that mayor had regarding it was that he had it just so happens both are from but it's not even the same one is the other one as it relates to it's certainly two different one is from the other one is so even though we started the by saying that And are the same that both it sounded like we were heading in the direction that it's two separate one is a this other one is a do I make or do I that even though we have a with regards to that impacts both of the it sounds like holds a hold that is not called. So you'd be tempted maybe to walk away from here and thinking that holds every single time you have it's called and holds that every single time you have it's not called don't make that mistake meaning agrees that is not always for example a hold is not additionally When said that is not he didn't mean it in all cases even though it's not it's still going to be at first glance when you read what Raab said it sounds likeab is saying is he's saying don't walk away from this and make a terrible mistake you're going to say you know there's a that holds you don't have to do how you know you mean if you sh the you're allowed to eat Now you don't have to do but he holds his if you do if you hold this so you're probably eat the food also if you do a said don't make that mistake in other words with regards to as well said you may walk away and and make a terrible mistake you know hold so for example if you shack There's no if you there's no so maybe if you doesn't work that is going to be says really who's going to make that mistake at this point is there a possibility maybe not but you know the first part of the maka. But already went knee deep into who that made it this far is going to walk away from a mayor thinking that because mayor holds that if you still that that means if you so the says you're right 100% was coming to talk about a very specific he wasn't making a general disclaimer. on the level that don't think Romeo holds if you sha also share what he meant was something else he meant what happens if you sh the traa and you found the ben pua so is are you eat not so that I mean I would have thought I would have thought that since with regards to and with regards to is that is called so maybe this of the should work for the not for the mother the father's a but maybe to work for the benu kamash that's the mayor hold that you won't be able to eat the ben unless you do a ben why because thus when you the mother it's not going to work what's the so if you remember from the whole of is really we asking that way who argues with mayor so how could you tell me that was commenting that hold but at the same time as it relates to the is not going to work for the as if they say ordinarily the mother does work for the mayor mayor said you're right we don't mean this is all rebby rebroki holds like mayor with regard the mother since that's true. You would think that if you motherf it should work for the child not that way. The second thingab said was Why? How? So that too is posit that according to although he holds that. So if you shake the tray for there's no if you sh the but if you shack the there's no there's no reason to assume that argues with this where it's been if somebody what if somebody and the was so you and it was also a says it's so there were two things wrong number one number two is a is it usually over here says it's I would have thought says it's maybe it shouldn't be considered Maybe there should be no Maybe there should be as well. That's the meaning ordinarily for sure there's not going to be the is when you and it was also being that is not called. So you see that it's not called if that's the case then maybe it should have because to the extent we don't look at it as a should beam tomorrow is going to segue this into tomorrow's let's just conclude with one and that is we mentioned again the soak is the topic of perkasha if you remember when we learnasha we left a lot of raid on the table so one of the things that we spoke about was the kasha which we saw as the ram's kasha the ram's kasha in pericute case in and that is why is it okay to shack the mubaris you shack the mubaris if you shack the mubaris there's a whole bunch of shas if there's a rush a very lic of how you treat but everybody agrees that it's okay to if that's the case that you're allowed to why is it okay to why don't we say that every time you so last week we spoke out the ram's we don't have to go into that again but I just wanted to speak out another for angle with one I don't think we'll have time to go through the whole thing now but just the and then we'll pick up from the second half and that is the is the it's going to be the one of the primary topics of the second part of it's right around the corner. But the says you're not allowed to literally you're not allowed to cook a goat in its mother's milk. We learn from there. It says it three times. one to tell me in the point is together with says that although there's an is a tremendous and that is the only time you now eat meat together with milk is if the meat can't the milk came from an animal that's it has to come from a live animal but once the animal's dead an animal or the animal just died and now there's milk inside that animal. So is there's no rice but there's no rice because the said doesn't mean literally only not let it cook a goat in its mother's milk. So the wants something what it says what it's coming to say is is that it has to be the of an or at the very least an animal that's once animal's dead it can't mother a child as a result it's not royally if it's not royally the is going to be no of th of me is there's no poses the following question he says what's the With regards to the of aer is thereab the to eat meat together with the of aer why not say because the says in perf is that if you have a tra you're not sure if an animal's a tra so you can either wait another thing that you can do is if she's a female see if she can have a child because we have a that a tra so to the extent that it could be mil it can have a child if traer can't be mil so if a tra can't be It's not. So if it's not rightly just like the Garra said that the of a mason of are excluded from the it would reason then it would make sense that the of should be excluded from the of as well. It says I think it's a choice. You know why? Because although said that a tra have a child, but never said that a tran that's a tra should be able to become pregnant doesn't say that they said she can't give birth and it really makes sense that the part of child birth that the tra can't do is is the she's too weak for but for her to become a it's that a could become pregnant if she could become pregnant. says that we know we're familiar with the men and the says the whole kuf where a person can become is a 90-day period is three months is a three-month window where one can become if he follows the rules a um why he said becausera has to be at the very least bar mitzvah but at the same time it's he's referred to as a Ben and Ben means so once he becomes bar mitzvah now he's old enough where he can father a child once 3 months pass he can be a father how can he be a father because this woman can be pregnant with and she can be at a point where the uber is nicker so that we know that she's pregnant once it's hooker uber he's already a father and if he's a other he's not a man thus he's not a mentor said that is 90 days why because when he's a he can't be a men it's only gay when he turns mitzvah once he turns mitzvah now he could be mo that's the over there what age could that's that's the but either way said once the is at that point he's as well. If that's the case, I think that is why that should not be because that can't bear just said that a can't be. Never said that a tra can't be a mubar. Once she can be a muis, what do you mean? You're not a mother until you have a child. No, once you're pregnant, you're a mother. As long as it's nicer, how do I know that? NOW THERE IT SAYS IT ABOUT THE FATHER BUT THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE. So she's heard years ago from he asked from the over says that that regarding Esther and then it says it sounds a little redundant, right? says rash. You know what it means? Again, it's soar is bottled with the double and then it says but when she gave birth then the then the mother died. So the father died when Esther's father died when Esther's mother became pregnant. Esther's mother died right after the lady being that the father died. She never had a father. That's the emphasis. Not that now she didn't have a father. That I know from but what it means is she never had a father. Why not? Because as soon as she became pregnant, the father died. Mesa Christ, she never had a mother either. Zal, you know what you see in this major that a father becomes a father and a mother becomes a mother at different times. A father becomes a father as soon as the his wife is pregnant. As soon as she's a mubber, he's a father. That's why Esther's father had to have died. Why? Because had it not happened at that point, she would have had a father. But rather, but as it relates to the mother, she had a full-term pregnancy. No one said, but the point is it's the later that creates the shame aim. And being that she wasn't alive, as soon in childirth, she died. So, she never had a so she never had a mother. But the point is, you see there's a killing between a father AND A MOTHER. A father as soon as it's the as soon as there's an uber that's already enough to be called a father as it relates to a mother you actually have to have a wants to say that as relates to the why is the because she can't have a child but she can have an uber and you see from the once you have an ubra you're already considered a mother that's only with regards TO THE FATHER AS IT relates to the mother not what should be the between a father and a mother said as far we'll have to save for another day in the but that's for another day but for now it's a rashi we don't need a we have a rashi it's a rash like the said we have a rash you give me that says between a father and why are you worried about that It's in Rashi that when a person a mother is pregnant, she's not called a mother yet. When is she called a mother? When she gives birth to the child like Esther, ESTHER NEVER HAD A MOTHER. WHAT do you mean? She was she was in a mother's womb. The terance is until the lady that's not called a mother. If there's no mother happen to be so mean that there's no mother, there's no would be the father. That would be according to who hold with regards to the father. you would have. But either way, there's no mother. There's no mother. You can't have an