Chulin 93

Today's and we are 15 lines from the bottom of being learned as so we're moving along mostly from the 13th cycle in discussing the of the hanosha says the Omaritzkar Rabitzk the son of Schmool who was the son of Mara who was also a Rav said in the name of his great rabbi the Tyra when it forbade the giddasha only forbade the what does this mean? So Rashi says that the girhanosha the sciatic nerve has little nerves that branch out from it and they enter the buser that's surrounding that area. The ganosha itself rah held was not user and the reason is because it's an we seen already there's an opinion amongst the tan that it doesn't taste like anything and as a result it doesn't make sense that the would have made a big deal about not eating something that frankly doesn't even have any taste. What then did the Torah mean when it said you're not going to eat? It meant these little nerves that branch out. They do have taste and it's that said that the so is saying number one is but number two it's only because the kid itself is going to be said I disagree even though it's true it might taste like a piece of wood but at the end of the day the terra said it's terra said it's going to be the iser is not the what is the iser it's the actual said it's actually like why said in the name the that are in the Rashi says that we're talking specifically about the that's on the KV and the that are on the we'll see more about what that means in in a moment is that they're however but at the same time one is not going to be if he eats them. So we know if somebody eats said in the name of that the these nerves that are inside the they're not the proper the is they're but they're not what does it mean they're but they're not going to come with it means they're not what are they they're only but here's the point you see when it says in the what it means is to eat the actual. However something makes sense when the Torah says what it means is to get itself themselves are going to be so they're going to be so I have a precedent from just like it's the but in the so must be that it's the not the not the I the tastes like nothing. It's it is what it is. The end of the day, it's going to be. So, we have a pretty fundamental is between Rav and as it relates to the is of according to Rav, it's only the but the G itself is not. According to it's just the opposite. It's only the G that's themselves are going to be M. Why did we just mention because said I have a or at the very least I think logically it makes sense what is saying based on a precedent which is in the par of either way we just mentioned and the gumar is going to do what it very often does and that is digress and we're going to turn our attention from the ganosha for the next or so of and we're going to talk about the now the and the ganosha are very much they're both parts of a kosher animal that had a but at the same time is a lot more than the somebody eats in addition to being if somebody eats the gasha it's just a good oldfashioned loas but what they have in common is again they're parts of a kosher animal that had a kosher but at the same time they themselves are very very much forbidden for a jut. Now as a little bit of a hak to the next part of gummor that we are going to learn we just have to so again thera says that even if you have a kosher animal that had a kosher but the of the animal what's the English definition of the word fats does that mean all fat of an animal you've had a piece of meat that had fat on it the answer of course is no there are fats that are kosher Sure, there are fats that are not kosher. Is a term that's used to describe the non-cooser fats. The Aramaic word to describe the kosher fats is shum. That's why in shas you find the idea where the and the because you have fats all looks the same to us and some of it is kosher and some of it is the worst of the worst. If you eat it, it's like you ate. If you eat it, it's like you ate. It's literally on the level of in fact just to bring out this point a little bit better if somebody eats he would have to bring a carbon because being that if somebody eats it so it's you would have to bring a carbonas the very often in Jas is referred to as the and the reason is because the most common that was brought was a katas that was brought for someone that accidentally ate very easy to visualize. You're preparing your animal. Within the animal, there are fats, we'll see how nuanced it is in a second, that if you eat isus, and then there are fats that you're supposed to eat. So it's very common that perhaps somebody would go and he would make a mistake and he would confuse his and his fact this was the most common example of someone that ever had to bring a carbonas this is what the analytics teach us this is actually what the teach us but the bottom line is that's why very often the carbonas was referred to as the okay so which are included inv that are very very so here's The short answer any part of fat that if the animal was kin you would have to be them on the those are the if the behem is and you're eating if you eat you would be any part of the fats of an animal where it was kim it would not have gone in the m that's the you would be allowed to eat in fact the reason that it's so to eat is because is supposed to be albeit when it's kach and it's for that reason if you go ahead and you eat you're almost eating eating something that really doesn't belong to you it's for that reason it's going to so the shortest answer to which are user and is take a look in open up a parish see which went on those are the ones that are user the ones that didn't go on the are going to be okay okay So now here's the follow-up question. Very natural follow-up question. Which fats actually went on the So if you open up it's incidentally starts with the carbon oil. Carbon doesn't talk about and the reason is because all the buser of the you don't have to distinguish between this buser that buser this that the next carbon that's discussed is the carbon. The carbon didn't have any and it was carbs. The first carbon where it's ne to talk about and where it's to start getting nittygritty is the third carbon that's discussed in the carbon. Hence it's parag. Either way, the Pik says that covers the very loosely translated the inards of the animal. Not just the that's the car, but all the that's on top of the car. There's this distinction between the that's the car and the that's on the car. clo the two kidneys and the here's another set of that covers the kidneys and the that's on top of the flankish either way we're not butchers or the son of butchers the quote in today's as we're going to see and as a result it's hard to know exactly what this all means but the bottom line is the does uh detail in some way what went on the said that if somebody eats it's going to be either way a little bit of a wordy introduction and on that note we have a whole lot now that are going to talk about things that maybe technically are above our pay grade but at the same time very much related to of says so why are we talking about because we just mentioned who said regarding the why' we say that cuz to the very critical is between in the world of so we're going to now digress a little bit talk about that related to and from there we'll continue doing what we do so again what did Rash say in the name of the that are in the and Rashi said that it's talking specifically about the that's on the KV and the that's on Those were two of the that were mentioned that we just said but at the same time one would not be which means are not really considered it's only that they consider the that's on top of the kidney are and here too and I'll lay it one is not going to be because again it's the but that are in the are not going to be what about the white in the kidney. So the kidney, there's a picture in Savar has a a cavity inside and that cavity is filled with something that looks white. Those are fats. Now those fats are interesting because those fats are in the kidney. It's not on the kidney. It's not covering the kidney, but it's in the cavity of the actual kidney. Hence, it's its own little subcategory. So what about the which we know is is it was once said it's going to be the other one said that as it relates to how we pass. So there was when he would sh an animal. So he would Rashi says means to be mish he would root out all the white inside the kya because he held like the heel like the mother holds like did the same thing. Raasi raasi would just trim off the fats from the top but whatever was inside the cavity he would leave there because he held the of the kuya. He held those fats are actually mut. So again we don't know who said what and there we do know who said what was he was said by the way notice this right so sometimes when you're trying to fi follow the paper trail of garra and understand why the garra digress so said in the previous regarding of and regarding the oh you mentioned the let's talk more about the but when you go through the you see no there's probably a little more to the methodology of why we're digressing because here in the discussion of the says the same words he said in the first over here it's actually like again what do he was gone he held that the is really it's only what's on top it's why Raashmaba said in the name of Raud who said in the name of the Rashi says of the of the flanking that's covered by baser mut is going to be mut. So there's certain that the buser covers. So usually you think of the fats as covering the baser. But if there's that the buser covers so it's considered part of theer and therefore it's going to be this is something that's going to be what do I see from what in the name of So when the Torah says the that's on is going to be it's only the that's on but not the that's being that this is sandwiched in I look at it not well if that's the case there I think so too as it relates to the says I'm referring to the referring to the kidneys that's on top of the asosed to the ones that are inside the so the bottom line is said it's like and the reason is because it's only the that's you know how I know that I know that from the because I know the ones that the buses is actually so is also too as it relates to the kidney if it's in the kidney it's mut it's part of the boser just because it's the that in of itself doesn't make iter this is so cricket. It's only asser if it's literally covering the baser. But to the extent you can view it as being part of the baser itself even though it's the same exact as the one that's on the buser it tastes the same. I don't care if it's sandwiched in the baser it's nar with the baser it becomes baser. If it's on top of the that's when we're having this conversation says the so we just mentioned whereab the neighbor in the name of regarding the it's going to be is that true could really have said that same formulation of the following the fats that are underneath the loins of the animal asser is asser now that fat is covered by buser the buser of the loins of the mim in Hebrew covers it so if that's the case how could it be that would say that and then in the same breath say is covered by He is the in today's like he is in almost every the is actually not considered or the that's underneath the is actually not considered. And the reason is because although when you flay the animal, you chop it up at that point the that's underneath the masim is going to be covered but while the animal's alive there are times that it's not covered and that is when the animal walks. So when the animal walks so thearim they contract and then they you know spread apart come back together and during that time there is a point where the bus that's underneath the is actually exposed that at that point the is exposed so it's considered not and that's going to be enough for it to be so the only time is considered that's if it's always covered even when it's alive. But if there are moments of time while the animal's alive, while it's walking, while it's galloping, it's running. I don't know. There is a time where right now this is exposed, that's enough for it to not be considered and that's enough to make it. And that's exactly what the is of says. And by the way, if you want support to this, and this is the one line of today's that I think we can all very much relate to. I'm not a butcher and I'm not the son of a butcher. Stating that I do remember I remember that this question was posed in and they said this was exact terret that they said I'm being honest with you this is outside of my lane. It's above my pay grade. I'm not talking because I really 100% understand what I'm saying but I do remember hearing this in a share. So I'm just saying over the bottom line is what said really comes it trace itself back to the great and it says another said we just said two but another that he said regarding the that's on top of the are two of the four stomachs of the animal of fame and if somebody eats that's another way of saying that it's not only but This this is what the Tyra means when it talks about the which was put on the that's on top of the he and the that's on top of the the fat that's on top of the so what's the so if you take a look at Rashi add some cotton it's a small bone So this is a bone that's on the bottom of the vertebrae of the animal. It's very close to the alia which is the tail of and there's a little bit of fat on top of it and that's the is also of and this is the speak out that this is not all the is the flankish of the animal. So it covers a much wider area but this is included in the of that he said over here as we'll see is referring to the blood vessels that are in the hand. Rashi says it doesn't mean hand it means the shoulder and are going to be. So the blood vessels in the shoulder of the animal are going to be and he said he said but he didn't refer to him as he said the said don't what's going there's no fats over there there's nothing there so why in the world should the in the shoulder be a problem turned to and he said oh you call me Misha I'll call you Misha we'll find out who really is the terrorist allows you to eat blood now let it eat blood in other words what was saying was that the reason said that the in the shoulder is not because of there's no over there but it's the blood vessel those are the and the blood vessel has what inside of it um blood and because it has blood and the says you're not allowed to eat blood it's for that reason it's going to be a problem. It's true. The buser is not an issue. The doesn't allow you to eat. Now said, I'll tell you this because if you're going to cut it and you're going to salt it, then it's going to remove the dam, right? We know salting the meat of an animal removes the blood and at that point if you're going to want to throw it into it's uh going to be okay. Now there is a discussion in the we're not learning the malik even though malik is going to come up a few more times in today's d but it seems that because of this blood vessel so we assume there's more blood there than there usually would be inside an animal and it's for that reason it's not enough to just salt it you would have to be first first you would have to chop it up then you would salt it and that would allow the blood to come out and if you do that you could even throw into there's another discussion in the what if you're not throwing it into what if you're going to roast it again this is something we'll see in the in a minute that sle roasting meat extracts more from the meat than simply putting it in a pot and throwing it into a chicken soup. So being that slee extracts more even though the garra says but it could be that's only necessary if you want to throw into a but if you're going to be silent maybe not again all discussions in the all beyond the scope of what we need for today's but either way this is another said but this one was a little bit of a curveball because this wasn't related to this was actually related to what was this the blood vessels in the shoulder of the animal are going to be now One interesting sidebar that emerged from this is and he reacted to the told to him and he said and says you want to know who is you're the meaning and there's other garas for this where you find that sometimes would talk to each other and they would refer to the respective alpa in a rather respectful way and they would call them by a name. The name was Mosha. We once hypothesized out loud that maybe the reason you don't find anywhere in the Gmorra, which is mindboggling or in Tanakh by the way that anybody other than Moshu Rabenu was called Mosha, right? So again, we have so many raikites over the years about names. Names that once upon a time were given that somehow uh along the way they put a moratorium on. For example, Yesh, right? Ishmile is the perfect that's everyone's first example of that. But what about names in the reverse that today are so common that once upon a time nobody gave Mosha is is the best name for that right you know it says on the Ram's cave mesh like come to Mosha I don't even know if there was a moa moa right I mean there was but the point is is that really people didn't give the name Mosha and the question is what once thought that it sounds a little bit from these guras that you had to earn the name you don't become your might that's wishful thinking should be that Yeah, of course. Z, we get all that. But at the same time, it seems like once upon a time, you had to earn the title. Oh, tells you're a rightafra who we know we have a rabbite about this from that he used to write that's why he was called. Anyways, the bottom line is you have a lot of together said in the name of so now this is no. So the beginning of the may this is the beginning of the digestive uh system of the animal. How beginning the that first of length requires giraves one to go ahead and shave off and to cut off all the fats of this is the who said anything about we didn't have it in the that we mentioned it earlier so what is sends us back to where it was saying he's picking sides he's saying is sets again. We had then we had and then we had it's a lot of fun when you tune in to the names because as we like to say the names matter but any either way the of the soin are nerves the is the hip is they are going to be the reason they're is because they're imshed in the and uh those things are going to be. Now we already mentioned earlier that the are in the are not right we had the that was on the that's on the on the on the and we said specifically it's the that's awesome but the that's inside of is not going to be. So presumably in the same vein and if you go speaks out that these is the same thing they're going to be but only because it's only the inside of it are not but either way this is the are part of the fats but they're of the fats and it's for that reason they're only it says the a little bit of science as relates to the kafla the flankish. So there are fivein that are there in other words the branch off into the flanken of the animal and in total there's five of them. So again these are really called it's not a new it's these that we just mentioned a second ago. The reason we're calling them is because they go from the into the flank. But the bottom line is five plus there's three on the right side of the shed and there's two on the left side of the spine plus the three that are on the right t. So each one of the three branch off into two sub muscles sub nerves and the two on the left each one branch into three. Why do you have to know all this? Because if the after he shacks the animal, he immediately pulls it out, man, you wouldn't even have to know. All you would have to know is is that you it would slide right out if you did it immediately after the it's going to be okay. But for but if you don't do it immediately afterwards then you have to go find it, right? So then the search is on and therefore you have to know the mats of it. This is three that branches to two. This is two that branches into three. By the way, they're both six, right? Three into two, two and three is you end up with the same number. But the bottom is you have to know the because you have to know what you're looking for. So it seems right after they sh the animal, the animal's hot, right? We know about that from all the sug from the beginning of the So the animal's hot and therefore a lot of these things are easy to just get out. But once you let it cool off and things start congealing and it gets really messy and ugly and at that point it's much harder to get it out. So therefore the Gar felt felt that he needed to tell us this mitas that you have to know on the right side of the shed there's three each one branches off into two on the left side there's two each one branches off into three because if you're not going to slide it out seamlessly then you're going to have to surgically remove it and you have to know what it is you're going say it's a lot of in today's a lot of in today's we're not sure is it or is it have There are five parts of the animal with related to these and um I'm going to tell you what these five places are and what the are plus three of the of these are related. So you have inside the you have these and two of them is related to that. So you have again this but inside the bus there are now the are muscles nerves the that the blood is an issue are blood vessels. We're using the same word to describe both. So what's a right is a a thread but didn't have these medical words to describe the difference between a muscle and a blood vessel. They're all sort of right. They look a little bit likein but the point is and that's what is trying to say there's fivein but three of them are related things and two of them are dam related things. Okay. So which ones are the which ones are the dam the are inside the is the spleen the capley are the flankin and the are the kidneys these are all related the as opposed to the that are inside the hand that's the shoulder that we saw earlier or that's on the jaw of the animal they're related to that does it make a difference if it's a issue or is it a issue at the end of the day is also is the creases. So, does it matter? The says, "Oh, yeah, it matters. The ones that are there's a way to fix it. If you would cut it and you would salt it, you'd remove the dam then you'd be allowed to eat it. But the ones that are there's no way to be said and some say it was again." So we just mentioned that there are fivein there's also five membranes that are that are very important to know in the laws of kosher animals three of these membranes are also because of the is the same three that we had earlier the spleen the flankin and the kidney that's related the bay the micro the bay are the bates and the testicles of the animal the micra is the brain of the animal that's related to says that note a story. This is a story. So was once removing the membrane that was on top of the spleen, right? We just said plus a and one of the three that was the t was the spleen because of see he's removing it and he was doing it had a son le and is doing this service for him now was only removing the membrane from the top of the spleen but not uh the bottom that's not something that he was removing. So told you have to go further down. You have to remove not just from the top. You have to remove from the rabbot as well. So says in the meantime ra whose ley bra's father came right whose ley braid ra's father that's not a trick question is raun shows up and he sees how his son Ley is telling what to do right it's bossing him around but he's telling you're not taking enough of the membrane you only take it from the top you got to also take from the bottom so he told him meaning told his son Ley that your mother's father, right? So, this is a father telling his son, you know, your mother's father said the name of Ra, says the Gamarra, I'm assuming that Ley, the son of Rafia knew who his mother's father was, but we don't know who he was. So, says the Gammorra, who was this? It was none other than the great that this membrane that's on top of the spleen that needs to be removed. It's only the part that's on top of the it means like the highest parts you have to remove the but as it relates to the that's not something you have to remove which is what knew which is what ley did not know and his father came and he told him he says no you're wrong I understand you're being very m over here but you're actually being too mm because what is doing is correct you only have to remove the top part you don't have to remove the bottom let me ask you a question on this one said we learn to The chrome the membrane that's on top of the spleen is which are we talking about? Are we talking about the chrome that's on the dot? membrane that's literally on top of the dot of why are you not understands that the membrane is part of the real and if that's the case it should be and if it's you should be cars just to highlight one point we talked earlier about the that are in the in the is not the real but the membrane of the that thinks is that's the if you tell me olive it can't be the it can't be the that's must be the Kool-Assa and parts not. But what do you see from here? What you see from here is that what you see from here is that there's actually a of the membrane on the spleen that although it's not the real thing it's not it's the lower part but it's also you know as Ley was the one who asked this kasha to his father after his father gave him this whole mus your grandfather after the whole thing he says how you going to win this price so amuna told his son Ley saying very good if you have such a price I mean I never heard price. But if you have such a price, I'll take your word for it. And if that's the case, you're right. I misspoke and was wrong. You have to cut more because even though the only but even the lower parts olive shall the that's on top of the kidney also. So this is the memor that we just brought one second ago that Ley brought one second ago. The Tanya who that said that the that's under is why did Ley bring it? Ley brought it to bring out the point that must be there's two parts of the part that's going to be but there's another part the lower part that's going to be another thing notice this that the br now is the longer version of it because here we have the not only regarding the but also the kio when the garra initially when ley introduced his bratas he didn't say anything about the kio because they weren't discussing the kio This was a real life story. He has a spleen and is removing the chrome and he's only taking the top not the bottom. And there's a whole sh over here whether that is okay or whe that whether that's not okay. Over here we're talking about the actual brace. So the brace also says something regarding the kidney. That's why he brings the kidney part of it as well. But anyway, they want to ask Sakasha. We have another Bryce that says regarding both of these inside the that's on the inside the that's on the so let's meditate on this a second. We have two bryes. We have a braer that says the that's on the spleen, the that's on the kidney is which means only and we have another Bryce that says which means it's so we have a stero spleens and kidneys. Now it's relates to the spleens. We know the answer right? What's the answer going to be? One price says of course the other one says not. Is it more says That's I mean, if we learned the last, we know what the answer to this is. As relates to it's also not the one that says that it's the one that's on top. The one that says not, that's the one that's on bottom. What would be the reason to distinguish by the way between on top and on bottom? Because that's what the Torah says. The Torah when talks about the it says on top of it as opposed to on bottom of it. Yeah. you can see why it would be. But if it's not on top of it, it's not going to be either way. We're now going to pivot and we're going to talk a little bit about the Bim, the testicles of the animal. Now, that just came up earlier, right? There are five membranes. Three is two. The ones that were awesome is are the bay and the micro which are the and the brain respectively. Says the Rashi explains we're talking about where the testicles of the animal got detached but not 100% detached. So they're almost 100% detached. They're encased inside the scrotum of the animal but they're mostly detached but they're a little bit attached. And there was whether after the you'd be allowed to eat these B or not. Now what would be the reason that would be also we'll see in a second because of so what's is any a that is from even if you do that's going to be an issue. So essentially the question is these lost do we view them as having been severed from the animal while it was alive as a result or it's not we don't know who said what are the one that said it's you know why I view it as because these bas will never regenerate which means even though they're a little bit attached they're not attached enough to view them as being part of this live uh animal if they were they would heal at some point they're not going to become buried they're not going to become healthy they won't regenerate must be they're not part of the animal anymore and if that's the case the one that says it's because if there's an a of an animal that gets severed it gets removed it starts decomposing it starts smelling that doesn't happen to these oh must be it must be it's still on some level receiving from the animals being y from animal and for that reason I don't view it as it's going to be okay. Now each one of these am we don't know who said what but each one of these seem to make a compelling argument on the one hand you can argue that it's on the other hand you could argue it's not so is going to have to defend his position like why am I saying therefore it's maybe I should argue must be it's not and vice versa says the said that it's he'll argue that the reason it's is not because it's not but rather the reason the of an animal wants to sever decompose is because they're exposed to the elements. This is not exposed to the elements. It's still inside the animal and being that it's still inside the animal that's why it's not decomposing. But that's not a that it's being from the animal. It's the that says the B why they because it's been from the animal I if it's been from the animal why doesn't it regenerate because sometimes things don't regenerate sometimes it could be a then unfortunately it it gets it to the point that there is no ability for it to heal that as it relates to this Shilab Last tell you what I think. I think it's motor. However, you me what do you mean you you come from Rashi says you should not eat it. Rashi quotes I mean without saying it the talks about there's an Indian you have to keep the so I hold you want to know if it's I hold I don't think it's still attached to the animal but in therefore you know you're stroll now so you're seeing everybody eats this you're not eating this because you have to follow your from which is where you came from says the related to the bim of an animal the bim of a of a goat for the first 30 days you're allowed to eat it without removing the membranes again we're going back to the we saw earlier and that is two of the membranes the bim and the which means you have to remove this membrane soashi says he says that as it relates to the bim of a gi But the first 30 days you don't have to worry about now. The reason is because we assume that the dam in the a is not fully developed yet. And it's for that reason we have to worry about right why do we say you have to remove the membrane of the bim. It's related to right three of them was because of two of them was because of the dam hasn't fully developed yet and therefore you don't have to remove any memories but after 30 days if there's zer inside the meaning it's able to be then it will be unless you remove this unless you remove this membrane if however it's not it's going to be how do you know if this was able to be masked. Right? How you know if it was able to be maz wasn't able to be mas if it has these red veins inside of them could be awesome. If you don't have these strips of red in that case it's going to be meaning the red is a sign of blood then you know that you have to remove the membrane. If it doesn't have it, however, in that case, it's not going to be raw meat that we've been talking about. These are blood vessels in the neck of an animal. There was a is between and in the entire meaning throughout whenever is between and is the and is like meaning is always the is always the and we pass like the class with the exception of these three things that we just mentioned. is the ra. So again we always pass in like the ml usually ra is the in these three cases which we're about to introduce now it's the other way is now what does it mean every single place in the the what does that mean says it doesn't mean every time there's a between and ra is the ram it means every time there's a ra and you don't know who said what so in those situations assume ra is the m assume rabak is the mm and by the way you don't have Look up our goal is to say to know who said what because you know is I'll tell you better even know what is you know is these three times regarding again we don't know who said what here you should know WHO WAS THE AND BY THE WAY JUST LIKE in all the other cases we're going to be in this case as well if you remember we spoke about this at the very very beginning of the because according to most of the it's so the Fact that you would have between and between between Ravina and Ra makes so much sense because they're the two right-hand men of the great Raashi and therefore we got very confused we couldn't remember who said what they were so interchangeable even though we only rais they were so interchangeable they had a million of these weird this is the one time we even have a rule for it we don't have a rule for Raven we have rule for by the way another thing you see over here is is that Rava was usually the make was the Makm, right? So you could see that for checks and balances, right? If you're a Vashi and you're assembling a team, so you know there's a good chance you're going to want your Mahm on your team and you're going to want your make, right? We have our in-house Mahm, we have our in-house makeel. This is maybe a little bit insightful into the roles that Ravina and Ravaka played respectively. So Rava is always the make, Ravaka is the Makma. We have three exceptions which is why we're talking about this right now because the three exceptions are very much related to the gar that we're learning again. So what are these three things as first things first? That's raw meat. So if the butcher chops the meat and he looks at the meat and it's very red. It's like more red than it usually is after you do a what must have happened was must have been some wound that occurred while the animal was alive and I don't know some blood gathered in this area and as a result that's why it's so so red. So the is like this in the event that you'd go ahead and you would cut it and you would salt it then you could throw into your pot meaning what are you worried about blood? Okay, there's always an option. Do malik and by the way, cut it first. We mentioned that earlier. There's a more intense gathering of blood. So then you want to be first. Once you do that, you can even throw into the pot. Everything's going to be okay. In the event that the person went and he just um suspended it from the spit, he was going to roast it. At that point, you know for sure that the dam is going to come out. And what it means is you would even have to cut it. So if you want to throw into the pot, then you're going to be okay. If however you want to roast it, then the is suspend it from a spit. Even if you didn't cut it and even if you didn't do a proper malik, again, we're not learning the malik now. You would have to do a little bit of a malik, but even if you didn't do a proper malik, that would also be okay. A gumry, what would be if the person went and he he didn't hang it from a spit, but he lied it down on coals. So what type of casuring process would you have to do to remove the blood from this raw meat? That's where the wasab said. Yeah, that's fine. That's okay because you know a little bit of salting maybe you don't even have to cut it. But all the d is going to come out. The other one said mitzvah. No, if you're going to put on top of the coals, the blood is not going to come out to the contrary. It's actually going to go further in. It's going to contract. And it's for that reason it's going to be that is not a proper method of and therefore you're gonna have an issam the same exact was regarding the bim regarding the blood vessels that were in the veriden. Again if you chopped it up and you salted it properly you can even cook it. If you went ahead and you salted it a little bit even if you didn't chop it up but if you hung it from a spit that's also going to be okay. If you went and you want to just lie it down on coals without cutting it and salting it properly that's the is between and it says the another related to casuring an animal again in the world of soi says that the of this was the head of an animal when the butcher wants to remove the hair from the head of the animal he would put water on top of it and then he would bury its head inside hot ashes and by him doing that the hair would come out. Right? That was the idea. So says the if someone went ahead and he did that if the way he covered the head with the remmits was where the bashita the area that he severed that he shacked the animal was exposed to the ground. So the the schnit is facing the ground. At that point we're going to assume that when he does this all the blood is going to come running out of the head and that in of itself will constitute and you won't have to worry about the dam that's inside the head of the animal. If he goes ahead and he does this while the head of the animal is lying on its side mik for coffee then the dam that's inside is going to congeal right. It's not in a position where it can easily flow out. And to the contrary, you're going to end up with a bigger dumb problem that you're going to have to cast later. It's going to be what would be if he did it in a way where the bashita is not exposed to the ground. So the dam can't flow out of the bash, but the nostrils are exposed. So the dam can flow out of the nostrils. Do we assume that the dam's going to come out of that? Someone says it depends. If he puts something to make the nostrils a little bit wider, so now there's more of a lane for it to come out of. Sure, it's going to be we assume the dam came out and if not us or it's going to be had a slightly different version of this as it relates to it being in a position where the or the nostrils were exposed is going to come out and then the head is going to be that in itself is your cashing if it was put on the sides that's when you have the if you did it in a way where blood could fall out even when it's lying on the sides there's some opening where it can come out of So then is then it's gonna be and if not it's going to be in the name of so whenever you see the word you know that we're mentioning something that we already mentioned now this mera of we mentioned but we mentioned it too ago so we didn't just mention it now we mentioned uh it a little while ago and if you remember the mentioned that there were two gidden as relates to the gdash right this is very critical there's the gdimi And there's the is the one that's awesome. The is the much shorter gate. That's the one that is going to be so ter. So if you send the name there's the is the one that that's closer to the thigh to the bone. That's the one that's for this is this is not anymore being the shorter one. That's the outer one, right? That's like on the outside part of the baser that's actually closer to the baser or more than close to the baser. It's in meshed as we saw in the and therefore it's going to be because it's technically maybe on some level part of the so it's not going to be now this B so we're just bringing this one little excerpt the BC over there in full says essentially said and that is the is the one That's the is the one that's stating that whereas described the as being the described it as being the is not on the the kash is on the description is the gap the one that's to the that's what said or is it to the that's what the says and by the way as an innocent bystander which is what we are we're confused which is the pie which said is the pi is the one that's but will the real please stand up I don't know what the pi is you're telling me it's the one that's in the tell me it's the one that's including the way explains is as that is the one that which is what we thought it was which is why said the reason this bryson describes it as because on some level it is rashi says there's a point where that meets the like a key meets the hole in the door that the key is going into and it's for that reason we can refer to in other words the B is not being not giving a a different of which is the that's the one that's notably it describes it as because there is a point where it's now why would the price have even said it probably because the price just wants to give us a better description of what the ganosha is that you should know. I know you know it's the one that but just make sure it's also the one that on some it it it segues it and migrates a little bit into the baser if you got that kid you know you got the right one. It's just another descriptive characteristic of the gdanosha for us to have a better idea of what the gdanosh is now asks the reverse kasha and that is said that the is the one that's and we described it as that same that we just mentioned one second ago said again it says that the is the one that's but it doesn't describe it as being it describes as being so is it review You just said a similar is the one that's but this price again wanted to give another way of identifying this you have to know number one to know it's not the real number two to know that it is and what we said is it's what does it mean what it means is we've seen this idea a lot and that is that when the butcher goes ahead and he chops up the animal so there is a point it's between the thigh and the hip of the animal where some of the bone is going to be exposed and you'll see over there this g and this is the g that's not the real this is the one that's only so the gap is the one that's the is the one that's mut high level you would describe the gap as being and the is being there is a point where the gap is that's what the bryer was referring to and there is a point where the after the butcher chops it and it's for that reason there is Bryce describes it as being a butcher that was found to have left over a little bit of the in the animal. So this butcher is a problem. So how do we deal with this guy? Old school says that if there's literally a barley grains worth of that was found, we're going to deal with him. No, it have to be a much bigger not it would have to be because there's different definition of of dealing as it relates to removing him from his position. That's what Rebuta was referring to as it relates to giving him malus meaning punishing him old school. He's a high malus for being over in the but at the same time punishing him that already would have to be would have to be. So even though it sounds like it's a when we punish this guy right is always the one making shalom and sh right let's do both that's papa over here says there there's really no he was talking about removing him from his position and he was talking about punishing a different he said no that as it relates to the meaning if you found it in one place it would have to be if you found it in multiple places even if each one is but if they aggregate they tally up to that point be a problem and again is saying also but he has a different way of reconciling these two in light of the fact that they're not really arguing it's not say who do we ask like is the realist It's based on a puppet's formulation. Either way, we now return to the Mishna Mishna which was at the very very very beginning of the per. So the Mishna at the very end had brought a misus between Ram and the with regards to whether or not a butcher is believed to say that he removed the theor butchers are not trusted to say that they removed the believed and then the for good measure threw in oh by the way those who believe to say that they removed the is going to say no one said anything Why are we throwing says the again that even though that the would not believe to say that they removed the but at some point afterwards they came around and they said that no that even according to even it's it's going to be M we could always trust the butchers heard this nakman he said Right. This goes against the grain. It's there supposed to be what we begot from. We're more trustworthy now than we were back in the day. We know that's not the case. Explains the olden days. So the butchers held like ra which this is already a different this coming up later in the peric. Ram mayor holds that removing the gan requires a much bigger job meaning you have to take out it's a very very big job so they held the butchers that what you need to remove is so much and it's for that reason they have a mah they weren't believed because nobody trusted them that they were going through the to remove all this but then they came around and they held later in the bar that told you you don't have to remove so much just remove the sciatic nerve and you're good to But if you don't have TO DO SO MUCH then there's no reason not to trust them became from but it's that there was a certain that flipped and that was they used to try to do more if you try to do more counterintuitive now we're not going to trust oh because you're so from it's a therefore we can't trust you that you actually did it oh but now that to be like so yeah there's no reason not to trust at the very least they took out meaning it sounds like what was later was like we could trust them to do a little bit of a removal, a little bit of a nickor that we trust them for to do a large scale removal. That's not something with those that had me not on the not on the sheet of but rather on the no that they are believed. They're believed to say they removed the believed to say that they removed and it was on this they came around and they said that no they're actually not going to be believed. And here commented he said this man now they're going to believe. So you remember in the first was the one who asked the hereman is the one that says again the said in the said nope SAID NO WE BROUGHT back the good old days now again now is asking it's possible explains in the beginning of time they held like that what that you have to just remove a little bit it's for that reason was then they came around and the midics started becoming oh so if the was all the butchers are doing this massive removal it's perfectly understandable why they said it's going to be a problem so they weren't believed to say that they went ahead and they did like grand mayor What does this law mean is when they were aware of again the so therefore it's an easy removal the butchers will believe but then they switch they decided is really like but they still remember there was aud because they still remember they would be to go like when is really like and for that reason they're not believed because we assume if you did a nikra the best he did was a huda which is not enough of a and therefore we can't trust you. This is a little interesting. But then they forgot about the whole wasn't even a real thing anymore. So now if they said that they did the going to be believe the only time they didn't believe the butchers is when there was presumed to be like Yehuda and the was presumed to be like but the butchers are mindful of they forget. So then we are concerned that maybe they're going ahead and they're being m like we're really supposed to be like but when was like for sure we were able to trust them and even when became like but when they forgot about even then we were willing to trust them right are trusting them much more than is but the point is is that when they trusted them originally it was because it's an easy removal then they said ohud is like mayor that you have to do a big removal And maybe when you're saying you did the you mean I can't trust you the was when they realized that is like but they forgot to assume the guy's a liar. There's no reason to assume that if he says he did we can give him the benefit of the doubt. Either way said that you don't trust the butchers for said you could trust him for the said let's do a little bit of an edit even though it didn't say we'll insert the word no we do trust the butcher and we trust him for the as well either way this concludes a long technical daf started talking about gdanosha and then we went kneedeep into the world of and then into the world of D and then it concluded with Gdan again. And by the way, last word in the daf was and another shout out to the idea of but as it relates to raid long daf so short related to the idea of the gdanosha specifically the topic of the previous twoin which was the history of the gdanosha and the history of the gdanosha is not tucked away it's not # rest of the story it's mentioned mentioned in Parish. It came about as a result of the fight the the battle the wrestling match just from the Mikra that occurred between Yakov Au and the Sam and Syov and the Pik says that even though ultimately Jacobu prevailed and Yakavinu clearly won the match that Malik begged that he cried and he pleaded with Yakavinu to let him go. He needed to sing shir but at the same time Jacobu did walk away literally limping he had some thigh injury and the says okay it's for that reason that's in this area up until today either way this is a PK in par one of the few mitzvah that the Tyra mentions even before. The reason is related to this episode that took place between and between if you take a look at the thatim of this parish they struggle a little bit to understand what's the so again you know we could understand on a mitzvah level with this 613 mitzvah 248 mitzvah say 365 mitzvah to explain. But here the itself is already making a big deal about and what is that because of the fact therefore if you take a look at the who is the voice of he says This is a way of remembering the of the and the miracle that performed to him in that he didn't die. In other words, the reason there's a saying in the of don't eat and the that it has to the story is pursu. So we know there's so many mitzvah that we do pursues migill those mites but there's a concept of pursu that's related to pursu to remember the mighty strength of we want to remember this incredible miracle because really had no business making it out alive he was fighting against a malik doesn't matter how strong Jacob is the Malik's going to win all day every day yet made it out alive. So we have to remember the miracle and the way we remember the miracle is by not doing something. What don't we do? We don't need to get the love of says is based on stating that if you take a look at the and it's also in the and it's in the and it says it already in the all have a different they all say that the idea of as a result of the fight was not a a good thing. This is not like a positive. Let's remember the incredible miracle and therefore no one's going to eat from the but to the contrary this was actually a punishment. Just going to read from the inside. It's a punishment and the deserve this punishment because really how did this whole issue start with So where was his entourage? He has a bunch of big strong sons. How come they weren't on his side? He should have had right. He should have been surrounded by his where was everybody. We know and he ended up getting hurt. It's for that reason there's a there's a punishment and it's a as well and it's a reminder also that you have to always be mala you have to be on your father's side and specifically if somebody's going out by himself even if it's not your father you always have to be there but says that this was a punishment because the basis was somewhat complicit in this punishment because it wouldn't have happened would it not been and the only reason he was because they didn't come there so he says it was a PUNISHMENT IT WAS AND THEN HE THROWS in it's also like but Not a but it's a you have to do that's what this is. Take a look at that's why you find lady was so careful to to be mav when he sent him this. But the point is that according to the and the and as we mentioned it says it in other as well. This is not like a good thing. Let's remember the miracle. This is a bad thing. It's anish. It's a to the fact that the brothers didn't do what they were supposed to do because had they been there with him and would have been would have never been punished. And if you want there to be a zer component, there is a zer. The zhar is you have to be mal somebody. You can't allow a person to go out be. Because if somebody goes out now he's vulnerable you never know what can come from this there's a from the it's called and the also brought this mahalak that the it's anish because of the fact that the wav and the skin asks a bomb cash it's a And that is we're learning. We know there's a mand that holds if that means the doesn't taste like anything, right? We saw in the very beginning of today's one goes so far as to say it's that it's only the cuz the G itself doesn't have any taste. If the wants to punish them, so what's the punishment? You know that one thing that tastes like nothing, the one thing that you're never going to eat anyways. The one thing that's going to be like even if it's NOT AN OH THAT you're not allowed TO EAT IF IT DOESN'T have any taste then what's the issue and by the way don't say but isn't there a mand that holds so maybe this wholehat is going according to that mand it's not going to work and the reason is the already speaks out here in the how could you have right taste it now we can't taste it but we're about to start the of it's coming up in a matter of moments, right? SO GIVE IT TO GIVE IT TO SOMEONE who's allowed to taste it and ask him does it taste like anything? Does it not taste like anything? And you'll know whether the ter is there was no in the they gave it to their they knew that it had a taste but and the is whether that time is or it's not which means even the hold it's not really a taste. So if it's not really a taste, I don't understand what's going on over here. It's a you're not going to be ABLE TO GET DOESN'T TASTE LIKE anything anyways. What kind of is that? And because of this kasha the brings in the name who said that the is not the fact that you can't eat the gdan because doesn't taste like anything anyways but at the same time the is what happens if the gdanosha ends up in au with other foods which again we're about to usher in the suga of taru it's mish the mission is coming up right when you learn in yeshiva it's a bunch of that starts in the latter half of parakeidosha but gdanosha that's nar this is literally exhibit a ground zero this is chapter 1 verse one for the taras what happens if the gdanosha was nar and by the way you see that the gdanosha was inshed in the animal so it's because of the other buser that the gdanosha gets in meshed with that becomes part and parcel with it's because of that that there's anami the fact that you can't eat the gdanosha that in of itself is not a punishment but when the gdanosh is in mesh which it always is by the way, right? Most people do not eat the fon which is the best part in the animal. Why? Because we're not anymore. So you're right is not the fact that you can't eat the git, but the fact you can't eat a fon. I hear that we're already talking. So the bottom line is not is when the is which seemed to be something that you know happened. It was for that reason we view it as that a little bit but this says in order to get out of this I saw in this is on this he brings this discussion he asks that if you take a look at the lotion of the rush the rush's lion is that It was a punishment for the it's for that reason took away from them that it sounds like the is the right what's the mascara and it should be a reminder not of the miracle of the of the that they went ahead and they committed but the bottom line is mahal is a little bit from the rush it certainly is not that way and if that's the case it's very very says I want to tell you and really it's based on this if you take a look at on the he says as follows I'm going to read the words without understanding it is because of the fact that the gid was it moved from its source its root of kadusha And then the kipa had the ability to have some dominance over it. And this is a that in all areas would result in it's for that reason and said it's because he knows what this all means. And you'll see the secret of this basic has no time for and that's a sim for the fact that the exists the reason it doesn't have a time because it lost the other you could say but the is what I just told you says things that are above our pay grade and he explains a little bit what's going on in this wise let me explain to you he has a word for word translation and explanation of what means but he says really in order to appreciate and this is something that we could understand there's just one that we have to know and this is something he brings is brought down in many many of I'll read from the this is there's nothing that can exist in this world if it doesn't have a spark of that spark comes from the and it and Kadusha that came from the Debbra of and it is really the the atom it's the nucleus of everything that exists in this world and it's what gives it its he says when it comes to food when you eat food the food is going to taste good you know why the food is going to taste good because the nit of that the food has that's what gives it its taste listen to this When you eat something and you taste something and you want to know why it's and that's where that comes from. The reason is it's because of the was goes ahead and gives us he brings from the from the who said when a person eats he should think that the sweetness of what it is he's eating is coming from the why does the food taste good? It tastes good because there's a certain nit of kaduca there's a that it has and that's what gives us this incredible taste. He brings from the for who said if a person has a think that this good taste that he has right now is coming from and were it not for the and the needs of it would not have had a time he brings it from the he said this is an Indian that is pervasive within the It's posh. That's what the kadesh was saying. What was saying was is that when the Sam had a battle with Jacobu, what happened was the Sam hit Yakov. And when he hit Yakov, he caused Yakavinu's to go out of place. And the is that when it was, it was not just it slipped out of place. Yakavino needs a chiropractor. It was that's what happened and because it was from the IT WAS THE was able to get involved the that part of the goof had ALL OF A SUDDEN doesn't have anymore and now all of A SUDDEN IN THE COULDN'T BE in but what was he able to be on all the farms say this he was able to be that was the one part of him that he was able to get and when he went and he got him over there you know what happened in nit of was gone. What happened when the kadusha was gone? Now all of a sudden it has no taste. That's a sign that the clip is over there and from all these that they all said this that the time of something comes from the but being that it was and being that something slipped it slipped from the now all of a sudden the was able to be and that's why he says says that that he said, "I see something from this that I never found anywhere else." And we're going to take word for it. He said, "I never found this anywhere else in any which means any other that what you see from that before and before the was able to be on the It tasted like something and it probably tasted pretty good. And people used to eat it. But it was only because of that they weren't their father and they let their father an older person go and he has all these strong sons where are they not there to take care of him. It was because of what happened that was able to be lost. For that reason they were punished and they were told you're not let it went away and that's cool for why before this story the had a town and that's WHY IT IS THE WHAT KIND OF ENGLISH IS THIS? It don't taste like anything. No no the only reason it doesn't taste like anything is because IS BECAUSE SAID YOU ALLOWED THIS to happen. I'M GONNA BE MALIC my from it. And now the is going to come and now it's tak not going to taste like anything. It very much did taste like something who wanted a punish. And the way the punishment happened was was said I'm going to be malic myself from that area. The clip is going to be it's not going to have time of the it really did have a time being that it had a time. It's very moving why this would have been appropriate either way. Classic managed to answer the kasha to have a a new