Talmudic Pseudonyms

along the shadaf and the sugis over here of tanka that we're going through way way way too even if we did a few raid bites it would be too fast so uh we're going through this way too quickly so I just thought that as it relates to raid just to lighten up the dolphin a little bit to speak out a uh nifla from the bdish of hassiharu margles And this is from hiser. Now why are we going to speak out now from that safer? So speak out of my goals. I don't think we need an excuse stating that few days ago we had I think it was on the gar mentioned aid by the name of baruli. Baruli was removing the gdanosha and he was doing it in the presence of the great amra and gave him a little muser and he got so scared that he dropped his knife but there was a man who name and says take a look at what I wrote in my form and on page I give a shout out to Barb and I say something about his name. So taking the lead of we're going to go through a little bit the beginning of the specifically chapter one and that's called pseudonyms in the what's a pseudonym? A pseudonym is like a nickname, a pen name, uh not real name that sometimes was used and margles has a how you find that there were different tan and that are mentioned in shas who were known not by their real name but rather by some sort of truth is this is something that over the years we've talked about it's scattered in in some of the rabbites and really the to this is it's And it's safe from and this is the way starts his just going to read the first paragraph [snorts] says I found that there are many whose name is mentioned very infrequently in maybe this uh one that is attributed to him maybe it's not even it's yet he was known in my opinion by a name that's associated with that he saidd this is very famous he says there's a his name wasdah he's mentioned in the mission over there says that if somebody's walking in the street And he saw he saw three coins that were stacked one on top of the other. So the you can't keep them at even though you're allowed to keep that's from the but if you saw them stacked then is not saidd. The only time this is true is if they were stacked like a migdal they were stacked like a tower. says that you have a his name wasdah what kind of name is migdalah never heard so he says let's be honest it's probably because of thisdah said aboved and that's probably why he was known by that name IT'S A PSEUDONYM IT'S NOT his real name it wasn't at the priest where they saidd that's probably not what it was but rather it wasdah that's he said and he became known based on He said whose name was and he said it's to me because he's the one that said smelled. He had a that was coming from him. He wasn't allowed to do. So too, if you have someone who's mis somebody that smells, he would not be allowed to leave the benching is the one that said regarding he was known as because he's the author of this. He said I found another he's mentioned in you know what he says in he turns and he asks what would be if somebody says and then another person would say me too now specifically the case was where he said and the other person went and he said me too what's did he mean to be as well when that person has a child or maybe when I have a child. Maybe what he meant to say was you're so excited. You want to have this child so badly. You're even making I'm telling you when you have this child, I'm going to love this child like it's my own. I'm going to take care of this child. Beni is mentioned one place in it was where someone asks uh where somebody said and the other person said DOES HE MEAN HE WAS THE ONE WHO asked this that's why he was known as says it's a to bring us at a time with said that it says in I never heard of and the one thing he ever said in his life was the only thing that's mentioned over here in I should say is so is it a coincidence that he became known as not the regular probably because it is that he said either way he con concludes and he says I have many more such examples There's no one ever who had this pun intended because it comes from was mentioned in the was that I'm the one that brought this in to the world that sometimes you have this connection between a and that he said in he's known by that name not because that was his real name but that's his pseudonym so to speak that's his alias and he gets known as The he saidd was mentioned who's the one that said does he mean who's mentioned the first of inillos a few first of all said there was no one before him that ever had this he said that if you take a look at one of the commentaries on the that was written by Ramosi lived in the 14th century. He was a super commentary on the [laughter] and this is a paras he makes this observation and he's mafaling it a little bit that's 500 years before he says not just that the take a look under says the he was called because he said regarding the and that's why he's known as AND HE SAYS BY THE WAY I found it in to say that as well. This is a 100 years or so before regarding the why was it called because he said regarding one of the that are mentioned in the but the bottom line is that I'm the first one that says it's not true. I found it by in his I found it in the and I found it already in the again not but they all were already this is not the really he continues and he says that really after I've seen other people work with this as well and says I have to be honest with you I'm not masking to some of the things I said I saw he quotes from a s called this is a a pish that was written on the adus it was printed one time in vna in the year tough lad right it's fun when you have a photographic memory but the bottom line is it was printed one time in tammed z in the in the town of vna and he said that yid went and he said he was mammish he was mafing this Indian in an incredible way he went so far as to say that he believes shiman ben lish that's a funny name lish what kind of name is lish said I think raim ban lish gets known as rashim ben lish not because his father's name was lish I don't think that's the I think the reason he's known as is because of a par and over there is talking about when made his business deal with we went through that business deal if you remember went through it and they had a deal I'm going to get this and you're going to get that and what exactly the deal was love was going to get the older ones the love was going to get the lishas the luckishes he was going to get the later ones so this said that to me this whole name lish I always found to be interesting and I think that the reason he was called lish is he's A BEN LUCKISH BASED ON THIS member that he said in you now it's good to lish but to say he was known by This was his that he said. He went a little bit further. He said, "We're familiar with Mam." He said, "I think was called because his father's name was Mam." Again, never heard name Maml. Who's Maml? Mamal, right? Who's Maml? He said, "I think the reason he's called Abar Mam is based on where the Gumra is discussing. If somebody sells a Bad, what's included? What's not included?" And one of the things that's included is the maml. And the gummor says, "My m who answered the question? So said I'll tell you what a mam is. So this said that I think the reason is called mam is based on this. So mar is said we we have to slow down a little bit. He said he found one mera that onera who's mentioned 4,000 times in ch and has something to do with you. The whole thesis is is that is not a frequently mentioned and based on that it's maybe to sayd is called based on the fact that he said this is compelling it's called based on this one of of this memor that he said he said way too hard for me to understand that he said besides what about Rab Yehuda Ben Lish who's mentioned in Shabasim and Yuma Nuniml right forgot about him he's also called Ben Lish when you have a member that he won her says there's something being you could be a Ben luckish and that's why he was called Ben Luckish now says Ru Margar is stating that I'm going to be might have been mix to this yet cuz I agree the name Lish I don't think is a real name again we're going to take Marggo's word for it that's usually our policy when it comes to this right so you know the expression is you pick on someone your own size I'm going to take Ra Margos's word. But the bottom line is Ra says I'll be mix I to me the name Lish is a little bit of a funny name. But I don't think he's called Lish because of that. First of all it can't be that's one out of thousand hundreds thousands of memories of Rishkish. And he says besides but what about Lish? He said well I'll tell you what I think. I think there was a city that was known as Lish and he was known as Ben Lish not because his father's name was Lish but as he says by the way that I found Margolus in this in a safe how's this for who brings from Berlin the great Berlin right the most often quoted that Berlin was bothered he said How did Rabimish become ralish? You ever think about that? How did he become ra What does slugish mean? Rabim banish became ralish is known as zak. What does that mean? Ra. Oh yeah. Here it's like it's short. It's abbreviated for right. Why is he called rakish? Says I don't think it's to say I actually believe that. He says that there was a city called Lish and Egra of Lish and that's why he was known as Lish and he said don't make from this because those brings dedicated his whole life to this heined very much and he did not know why was known as Lakish he wasn't simply happy there is like the there is no person lish but he was from the city of Lish and he was also the head of Lish by the who would have been lish also came from lish but he wasn't rakish because he was never the murder but the bottom line is ra lish comes from lish and he's known as ra lkish because he's the murder he says as it relates to maml so I'll be honest with you I hear the horror as well maml I don't think that's a name I don't think maml is a name the problem is to say that maml is known as mam because of what he said in regarding someone that tells it's impossible RIGHT HE NAMED IT'S JUST NOT. IT DOESN'T even get on to first base. It's not possible, right? It can't even be. But [laughter] besides, we found so there's three more mammals that never said a word about the mamul. Not I'll shame that father was M because I agree I I never heard of a name M I'll shame and by the way you're not sure if there's a place called Mur that talks about the base is I'll tell you even more than that there's a said that's probably what it was it was the city that's known as that's who all these mam our fear of but the bottom line is to say this about and to say this about this is already uh this is already pushing it I think this is too says I think evendah which is ground zero this is the one everyone knows that ground zero form even that I think is I think it's and the reason is because is mentioned in other places in chas as well he's mentioned and in other places as well. You can tell me where's the per this is before a right by the way there was another whose name wasdah he didn't say anything about and by the way he's mentioned he brought his peric and embraces rabble why is he known as migdalah the terret says is from Lukesh and is giving from and is giving from so I agree with the thesis says I think it's fantastic and it's not goes back already to in his classic commentary on the but at the same time but at the same time he says I think which is the starting point for all of this I don't even think that's right and certainly that's way way way way beyond the scope So say I'm going to give you my own list. Let me give you my list who I think is mentioned in your midashim who I think these are not real names but these are the synonyms [snorts] histo by the way is he says you know so you need a license to say this sometimes right even wrote a safe which we talk about all the he has a 50page before he wrote it because he could even write something like this so you need a license if you're ever going to do something like this and his license is talks about the great and the says yeah his name was boon so I was called because of the that happened with the with the son and the deal and the bad remember that incredible incredible but the bottom line is is that his name wasn't his name was boon so why they call And he says it's interesting by the way ever make this observation all the nicknames I don't know if this is because they have aliases but the bottom line is all these super RICH GUYS NO NONE OF THEM WERE known by their regular name they all had pseudonyms but either way but you want a license to say name is boon we he's known as nakim because of something that happened to him. So there could be a musk that somebody would be known by a name because of something because of something that not happened to him because of something that he said. Here's a a very abbrevi remember I is mentioned in one place in one a person can make it tonight regarding and he's mentioned right so a person let's say heard that is going to be coming to he's not sure and he wants to make to be to go here this year. Problem is he doesn't know which way to make. So with the prayer he could do it says the even though it says you could do such a thing it's wrong. You can't make one of these. This is the only in right he said you have to figure out you have to figure out where is so that's why right why is he calling him an ali because we don't know his real name so he's the whose name we don't know he GETS KNOWN AS WHAT HE GETS KNOWN as it's because he's the one that said YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO KNOW IF HE'S coming to the mid or coming to the mar. Here's another one. Our favorite of all time, right? So why was Ila known as he says I don't know if was his real name. Says when came back to this, right? So he saw became the and said that had I stayed in yeshiva, I'm telling you I would have been the rasha as a matter that they told him. And so he said really you're telling me that I'm less than ask me any ask me anything show me a price and if I can't be pion from a Mishna you'll see what's going to happen so he went he suspended himself from the mast of a ship and he said that if I can't figure one old person took him a little too literally he says yeah you know what's about this and that he said an ila in Aramaic is a ship he says I think he became known as because of this incredible story. It's a real story where he makes this grand spectacle. He says that's how he became known as but that's not really what his name was. He says they discuss if somebody asks advice and he gives him the right advice he gives him the wrong advice. So there's a whole sugara tells a story that somebody went to Danka and Iser. These were two money changers. One was danka, the other one was Isser and they asked them something and they gave them the wrong advice and the was that they were off the hook. He says interesting that money changers would be known as danka and iser, right? What a what's a danka in Aramaic? Money. What's an isser? It's money. He said I'm assuming they were called danka is because this was their gash. They were money changers. He says by the way if that's the case that mentions one time in you know the says he had 12,000 and he had it by you have a guy whose name is is and this is 12,000 the is his first name was cash right this is his name so the bottom of literally cash by the way this is what he's and as a result he became known as is this is how he's known for all uh for all generations. [snorts] Ever heard this name two places in he's also mentioned in funny name says a rumor goes pure to me why he's called this is this is one nobody would ever get he says it to me he said because if you look at that he said he's talking about of walls right uh so if you have two I can't make my wall too close to your wall it's discussing is related to walls The P says in Ezra this is pervas. So this is in the first year of the reign of the kingish Cyrus the great mala to aim. Soish the king he issues a decree an edict. I want the base of mdra to be built. Assar the city where the msbayak is and carbon is not going to be brought and the walls are going to be founded. It should be 60 tall. X glow plus I want the walls to be made up of rows rows of stone three stones on each row. The word means wall and the world word means wall. These are very Aramaic words over here in peric in say for Ezra but means wall and means wall. Ashad who said two is one of them is regarding you ever heard a name like said it's posit because he said regarding walls knew these Ezra that talk about and they knew that is a wall and is a wall and that's how he became known as that name Benbach this is another famous one right why wasb called and we're both the same person Right? Bag are both the same person and they're both Ben Grim and what what sh is because B giml is five and he is also five and we know that a got the he and S got the hey and being that Ara and S both got the H. So that's why they become known as Ben Bagbag and Behei. Incidentally, Rab Margol says that he always thought that I don't know if Ben Bagbag was really a a G, but it could be Ben Bagbag was called Benbagbag cuz he's the son of a G. >> [snorts] >> In fact, Bagbag is Ben Garus. Says it could be his father was a G and his mother was a guaras and he's known as Ben Bagbag. Bag means Bengurus. He says if that's the case, it would open up a little bit of our mind because in Shablam there's a Tan who's known as Yehuda Bengrim is Yehuda Bengrim. He said I also found inf someone whose name is Yehuda Ben Gregoras. How's that for a name? Yehuda Ben Gregor. He said I think Yehuda Bengor is the same name. Ben Garam is like Ben Bagbback. His father's a gay, his mother's a Gar, hence he's Ben Garam. And Ben Groas is the same thing. It's Ben Gar vigorous. Hence, you end up with a name like like Benus. Here's another one. There's someone that's mentioned one time in his name is Ben Shalus. That's his name. Ben Shalus. is mentioned over there says so we know is allowed to do up until what point is allowed to do so until that's the point that she's allowed to do it the over there says when I went to Rabaka said I don't agree with this and I never heard of Benalus so my goals Rabaka already was heard named Benalus. He says, "I don't think his name was really Ben Shalus. I don't think his name was Ben Shalus." is if I take a look at the it says when is and the raom says in what does it mean when it develops here the word could mean here and that's why he was called because his one from him and Cyrus and that's where I never heard of Benalus that wasn't his real name this was a pseudonym and he's called this name because this is the one this is the one that he said this goes on and on and on. He talks about who was that we say he was he once talked very shy to and he became right he was physically he was physically harmed. Why was he called Benisi? He says maybe because the tanum says that one of the nim was andi says that was the hell is when he he was at Milo something bad went up to soci who did whatusi did and that was so it's for that reason he too became known as that one last one he says you know the great is known sometimes as what he says if you take a look at rashi in Sanhedrin Rashim is why he was known as Nafka. He brings two shot. One shot is he says because his father was a a blacksmith and a blacksmith. That's why some he's known as Barafra. Then he says another shot is because he was very handsome and Nafka has something to do with being handsome. So it says Rolas being that Rashi said. So it's clear didn't have a clue. So if you could say two I could already say a third and he says maybe because discussing that we know ordinarily on his one of the exceptions is is he said it's talking about a certain type of where it was done by a blacksmith he said I had to be the real in when is it It's Margolus. I know this is going to undermine a little bit what I said earlier. That's someone who we have hundreds or if not thousands of mentioned in there's no way there's one member that he said that's going to be a a guiloy and why he was called by why he was called. That's why we knocked out in the beginning of this rabbi. He said, "But this line, I've never seen a line like this in my life." said was so happy with the that he had to be that he said who knows if that's not why sometime not always it's usually just the great that maybe sometimes he would become known he would become known as again if Rashi I wouldn't say anything but Rashi himself was already unsure already Rashi saying maybe you're ready you can go ahead and you could say a third but the bottom line is what began with a thesis he says with regards to and we mentioned that already said they say others said it regardless says I can't even fathom but went through he went through a list of close to 40. Oh, by the way, we left that we left out the main one. Barb, right? We said there was bari in. So why is bari called barpuli? Because you know what it means to do a mice appeal? It means to be a maner. Says b. That's why he was called barpuli. Why else would he been known as barpuli? Because this was his f. This is what he used to do for a living. And it's for that reason that this is what uh he was known by. And that's why he was known as Ra Puli. But the bottom line is he says if you look around I found close to 40 different times where it's to me that the pseudonym that he got was based on this is chapter one in the chapter two he goes in a little bit of a different angle. He says I found another thing and this he says I found countless times. He says literally countless countless times and that is you find sometimes with and would say that had something to do with their name. He said they're not called by the name because of what they said but because goes the other way around. It's a chicken and an egg. It's because of their name they had a and he goes through just giving examples one after another. He starts from he does a he was super methodical right just to mention a few. It's not a coincidence. You ever see him again said he said take a look at said that's not that's not a right that's not a coincidence. He says you just said something about what's your name? Oh, my name's Shan. That's my name. I don't think it's a coincidence. He said, he said, he said it in three places in coming up. He said, you know, it's the only three places in that you find the all three times. I don't think it's aesh. How about what about we've mentioned this in the past? He said, "By the way, you know how many times talks about the region Yehuda?" So, why is he not talking about the Galil? Why is he talking about Yehuda? He said his name was Yehud. talking about. This is this is you get the theme, right? This just goes on and on and on. The sheer brilliance of of putting together a piece like this is just not nea. which is not nea just reminds you of how the break the kite of of the there's so many that you can open where you see the is something that goes to such an incredible way but either way why we talk about this in like I said excuse because bari was mentioned invaris [snorts] has him in his list of top 40 pseudonym In sh he was known as barbuli because he was a manacer.