Zevachim 46

Today's and we are two lines from the top of the said that the only time somebody's if he eats of an where a carbon had piggle is if the bos or whatever it was the person ate was a it's learned that from the fact that the revealed the of twice and both times by the carbon the is some of it was but it required to be some of it was but it required to be so too any of that has you can have that stating that The Mishna said that's only true for big. It's not true for noiser and it's not true for the gar brought m for it. And then the Mishna says meaning dam is a and as a result there's no piggle if somebody would eat or drink dam. What about Noiser and Tom? says Mishna Noiser and Tom are like piggle in that just like there's no piggle on dam there's noer and regarding dam says how do I know that so said the says and rashi says that is really not directly addressing our mishna but was direct was addressing a over there discussed the laws of and said that if somebody has from dam someone's There's no and said what's the meaning that there's no there's no when it comes to the says referring to the purpose of the dam is but we learn that it's yours meaning it's treated like in the sense that you can have enough from it it's not of course not but at the same time it's like it's yours that there's no micropics says was given it wasn't given from the says who it says and who is that the status of the dam is going to be consistent just like after you do this reco if somebody would take the dam scrape the dam off it's so If somebody would be from the D before he did this be noap regarding this third it says who so we say there's no there isn't going to be says maybe just likeap there is because with Adam you would think there should be byap there should be as well says no That's not possible. It's an impossibility because because it's not possible. You don't find anywhere in where you did the mitzvah that you were supposed to do with the and there still going to be an is the sight of is that you're supposed to be m this thing. This is for a mitzvah. And if you go now and you have from it in a sense you but once it's there's no concept of anymore. So it's there's no and it says who that's the case. So to lift but the gum says is that true is it true that you don't find anywhere in the an idea that it was so spans the entire and the comes up with a few examples. Number one by you have the true. So the first that was done every morning at the base was a would go up or run up do a and a would go was his mitzvah to take a ma shovel full of he would walk down the ramp says and he would put it on the side of the and we there's a p in the par of that teaches me that that apher was it would remain there until it got absorbed into the ground. So you see that the is the coin already did the mitzvah with the still has to stay there and the is you're not let him move it. So how could you tell me I just found an example. So the says it's true it's an example but there happens to be another example and when it comes to the more is less. So it's true if the Torah says something there is a it's one of them it's called if this is true if I could find something similar to it that can be true as well but if the tells me something twice that is the ability to and it's because if it's true that you can learn a from b so why would the have to tell me a and b so if the tells me something twice that's a that if it would that you can't learn from it because if you can learn from it then I don't need it twice the second one should be learned from the first. But the bottom line is is that this idea of is actually something you find twice and as a result what was the second one? So the first one was the second one is big. It's referring specifically to the big day that the used to wear and it says that he had to leave it in the it wasn't allowed to be used. Now from the fact that it couldn't be used, it's a it's even though it was already it was used. So you see that it is an idea of so it's true you find it by but you find it a second time but that's true that whole means that the big day after finished with his big day loving left it according to that holds that it So you don't see that it's to the contrary number one it's not it can be used and you see the could have enough from it. So all I have is so why not learn from saysum because there happens to be another par another place where you find this idea of and that is the after we're done with the so the said they couldn't have enough from it. So you see another example of thus continues that's all good if you hold but there is holds according to that says what would be the truma and in each one of the respective parishes there's that says you can't learn from there in the it says to teach me here you have this that it's despite the fact that it was but don't learn from there regarding the it says teaches me that only it you have to leave next to the only by it is there an idea that despite the fact that it's still going to be but there too again don't learn from it so the bottom line is is the not regarding our but referring to a that says there's no when it comes to and the brought three said it's learned from the referring to the evil said it says the end of the says it's all the same different words in that whoap and just like it's being that it's there's no so to lift being that it's a is there's not going to be so we have three that there's no why do I need three meaning at the end of the day the gamar is assuming that is right he has a good limud's Right is right. They're all three solides. They're all great, wonderful. So three now that there's no I don't need to tell me three times there's no says you're right. I don't need three for me. One for me, one for one form. Thus I have the Mishna said what's the it's this Gar right here one of the extra in is referring to the other extra in is referring to what about says the because that already is included in the previous nothing's matter needs to be but it doesn't require a matter in order for it to be able to go on thus it's excluded from just like are excluded from the again we mentioned yesterday that when the Mishna says What does Tommy mean? Rashi said it immediately in the Mishna. We're referring to a person that's tum and he eats me the of as it relates to relate to both where the is and both to where the kchum itself is where the person is to it's referred to when the is referred to or but either way the was mazer in both cases our sugu was discussing a where a person himself is to he goes ahead head and he now eats from if you go through the you'll see that three times the said that if somebody is and he eats specifically he's going to be one time the says then it says And then the third time it says so the person became so the first is referring to all a person's tummy eats a person is Tommy and he eats specifically and the third one says again a person is he became essentially have three. The first one is general. It's referring to everything. And the other two are specifically referring to one to teach me that the applied to all. The second time the terror said to teach me that the only time the is true is if the islat because you say only when the cl and prat are next to each other. What do you do if you have a cl on one side and you have a somewhere far away. So that's so we say that it has to be just like so too a person that's and eats is what if someone's tummy eats what was food as now that was at so being that it's not it's not to So he's not going to be that's the second why did the terrorist say a third time to be that you're going to be even if you eat a that people usually don't eat. So let's say the would eatus that's or he himself was and he ate would he be or not the third time the is to teach me he'd be in that case as well who we had in our end of the we had I'm reading from the end of the who holds. So what's the third parish of coming to teach me? It's coming to teach me that. in is that there's no pickle by being that was by and was brought on. So too the only time you're ever going to be is if the carbon is born as opposed to the so you see there holds that if the terror is something maybe even if it doesn't mean only but it means something that's being that the chorus of is mentioned by so I would have thought if someone's tummy and he eats from the should so that's why you need the third because according to the third is coming to teach me who holds your potter. So obviously that's not what the is coming to teach me but does say something else it's coming to teach me going what it's coming to teach me is that even don't say that just like by means here too as well says that the only time is if it's seem to argue that even so is a a big makeup he says the only time you have the of a to that eats is if argued and argued. We don't know who said what but said one thing said the other thing said one thing said the other thing one of them said one of the one of each one of these peers of said regarding with the buser became if the himself is the one that's Tommy and he's eating buser that's not tom everybody agrees that if is you're not going to get and the other one said it's not that they're arguing meaning they're arguing which we said means why would you think that is the talks about the is the talks about the two are mentioned together in the sense that It's two in succession. One is test. The other is the two. If you hold one applies only to the other one's going to apply to taught the affion had a different they were referring to the once said not everybody agrees like it's just the opposite was baser Everyone holds like the same exact comment mean you can hold whatever you want to hold with regards to the and eating. But one thing is clearly the two are mentioned together and it makes sense therefore that the two says how could anybody hold that there's no didn't the earlier say the rabbis isn't there in the parish of that teaches me that is referring to but it teaches me even it sounds like the laws of tum apply even to specifically the laws of so says that is not a real it's only that's why it's possible to hold that is going to be excluded completely both from the of and from the of so before we go v the first and that is that yesterday we learned about we Whether there's whether there's whether you have seem to hold that is very very different than even though the learns out is that can be they could be they could bring carbon but at the same time it's true that it's and it's true that the you can bring that carbon into the into the aor and is but in terms of many the details that apply to ordinary caution they would not apply to says I disagree it says in that and that teaches me treated literally like the for others ask and that is as follows. Aid brings a carbon brings a carb and he goes to the says after. So the so the goes he takes the carbon now they do the with the carbon are they acting the do the of the or they acting as we know so a person can make somebody to do something for him so to say in that when a person hands over the carbon to the is acting as a carbon or The way it works is not with the parish of but rather the says that if somebody brings a carbon you listen to me says and you bring this carbon but it's not working with the lumbness of they're not acting as of the carbon says the what would be if the carbon made a that he will not have from this could the claim bring his carbon or could the not bring his carbon that's why If the kan is acting as a of the so if I can't have enough from you you can't be my but if you're not working for me but rather then there won't be a problem of so the gumar goes back and forth and forth and back and at the end the is not push stating that there's another discusses the same exact sha and here the is the sha It's going to tell me that we all know one of the most basic principles in is that I can't make a to do something for me if I can't do it myself. So something that I could have done myself, I can make a to do for me. But if I can't do it myself, I can't make a if aar brings a carbon. What's the means of Yeshua that the are acting as his can't do the can't do the if that's the case. So the would never be able to be the of the carbon. It wouldn't work with the although the leaves it open. It's are very bothered. At first glance it would seem to be as they was trying to make it work. The bottom line is the mas is that maximum what was the why do we even need a why was there even a in the world to tell me that it's you know why not know it's also right here it's it's throughout that means a guy can bring a carbon if a guy brings a carbon he gives it over to a kay a can We know that it does then that it doesn't work with because if it worked with how would a guy ever be able to bring a carbon so what was the less and still you see they're able to bring her side first glance you're going to tell me I hear it's an but at the end of the day it's not a cash because the end of the day theor comes out So it's more a sh on why the wasn't pushed it from but says that's not true that is says I'm going to tell you that even though the says that's true for it's not true for and he brings a because the when the discusses the of the It's the second paric of that's what brings the different so one of the brings is a passing parish it says referring to the carbon is it possible every single You checked it. The carbon was brought there was one person that was appointed. He was the one that was going to each individual set. You learn from where the says that the way works is what because if you're going to tell me is true even for then how do you learn it's called it's related to a different idea learned from so it's clear but that the way works by is there And the says, "If you think about it, it makes perfect sense because what was that? It's not possible that can walk into the BT and the should bring the carbon as that can't do the how could the asim of the do the avoid on their behalf." But that's all true by you don't have the so it's beautiful. It all works out very nicely. That's why it's true that ordinarily but as it relates to over there that's and that is why the was able to learn from a source that if that's the case I understand how works but how does work can't do himself so is going to now walk to the mikd he's going to deliver uh behavior Who's going to do the for that already is not that works. So how does the work anyways came out? That's not a it's why wasn't the but how in the world does work the is going to go do the how could the do then there's no way in the world to make the work that's I was just thinking maybe one and that is that it's there's a in Sanhedrin says that a m a yid that's a m is not considered a benris so whatever you find in an idea that you have to be a benis a m is not considered a benris in from places says based on this I want to say it should come out that a m can't be a meaning just like we know is less a is also going to be less why because what's the go is less of it says The reason you can't appoint a to be a for you or the reason can't make you into is because so if a m is not a bris it's back of the envelope of arithmetic says the place it should come out that a m should be possible based on that asks on the maybe But that's what that's what the says that a can't be. So if somebody wants to divorce his wife that's the first mission is stating that can't be and the says why can't a be in order to be you have to be and being that a guy is less because he himself can't bearish his wife in the sense as a result he can't be why does the have to say that the Reason a guy can't be is because typically a guy is always we know that a guy can never be want to answer the even though it's true a guy can never be a that's only if a guy wants to be a for a year but a guy could be a for a something a guy wants to do something a wants to create some sort of if he's another to do the for him it's going to be okay why because what's the what's the reason what's the can't be we learn there's no said that is from is that the has to be and just like the is so the has to be aid as So the reason that you can't make a guy to do for you or can't make a to do for him is because and they have to be on some level. But if he's a Ben br and he's not a Ben br they're completely different and you can't have the with two people that are so diametrically opposed. It doesn't work. BUT IT'S NOT a not it's just that the has to be so has to be as well would be able to make another guy. If that's the case who was based on that a m is also not a bad what would be if a mmer wants to make a [ __ ] a to do something for him would be because a [ __ ] again is not from being a the issue is that the [ __ ] is not to here he is because the [ __ ] is not the but the point is in In this case, they're alike. As a result, a m can make a go to do. What if a m wants to divorce his wife? Could a m make a [ __ ] to divorce his wife? Ay could make to do his wife. That's why the had to give a new reason a reason why. You want to know why a guy is from because he's then would be that if a guy if a m wanted to divorce his wife and he's going to make and who is going to be it's going to be guy in that case it would have worked now you have a new reason that's why it's not going to work what would be is a mmer able to do or is a mmer not able to do so the say like first class she'll tell me a m is always treated like a guy so if a woman is treated like a guy He shouldn't be able to do culture and the truth is even by itself it's not so that a is allowed to do a is allowed to do but I just had one hor and that is the right in the beginning of the second paric discuss and the gave a whole list of people that one of the things mentioned in the was oral and the said one of the gumas we did not learn together so it says over there what does oral mean so oral There's an oral bos and there's also an oral meaning there's a concept of an oral that he's physically an oral like says in the and then there's an idea of an of an oral oral says learned from a refers to him as on this very rash over there says we're referring to a say but we're referring specifically speifically to a m that means one of the of is a now the mission says at the beginning of the third paragul all the people that do so I thought at first glance it's back of the envelope arithmetic if one of the is and all the in the end of mikt as well all the that can't do are allowed to do such a come out that a mashita Maybe you can answer that. How could a guy ever bring a carbon learned out from how could a guy have someone do the he can't do the himself and nobody could do the for him because that's going to have to go with a param and a guy have a m do it for him. A mmer can be a for a guy because it's true the guy can't be a man. But why can't he be man? Because he's not a Ben bris. If that's the case, he can make a m just like that a m can make a it's the same thing. It's the flip side of the same coin. A guy can make a he could have the make do on his beak. But this would only be true if a m to do. But the truth is it's really in the beginning whether a can even do I would think if he can't do he can't do so again just but we have to a little bit better regardless so we're coming full circle here this is literally so the brought this Mishna regarding the of the Mishna says that the sixon that a had to have while he doing the number one. He has to have a mind right he's bringing he has to have he has to have a mind the he has to have a mind that he's bringing it will explain what that means will explain that that means will explain what that means he's bringing that in almost all cases so he has to have in mind also that this carbon is being brought even if somebody didn't have in mind these it's going to be cautious meaning these only meaning it's only but if you didn't have in mind these it's okay and like the said that is saying more than that doesn't even want you to have these and the reason he doesn't want you to have the is because he's afraid you're going to trip up and This was that when it comes to stom is because if is not how could you tell the not to think it's not going to think the carbon is not going to be my stomach isma. It's only when you have a that you mess up the carbon. So there's an idea of don't think like this you won't think but it's all predicated on if you don't think anything at the end of the day it's going to be it says in the don't have the here on the side but it says should have it here teaches me that it has to So even though we had if you remember we had all the different how you know that a carbon has to be brought here we have when it says what does mean it means as opposed to what so one of the six that had to have was what does that when the im would put on the misbeh so the fire of the misbeh had had to completely consume the baser it couldn't just roast it right you couldn't like make it cooked a little bit medium rear and then take it off it had to be completely consumed that's what means what does that mean the meaning you can't first roast it and then put it on the you put it on the raw and does everything. If someone took the of an animal, he roasted it the hell and then afterwards he put on there's going to be no what does mean it means that you're supposed to have in mind that should have and what does mean regardless this is the this right here toe is lash and even brought ze the only one that wasn't mentioned here of the six is but that already addressed in the first par but regardless this is where it's learned from. So we have a little bit more time to just one more and that is that one of the that I mentioned over here in this Mishna is that a carbon that was brought had to be brought and if the it wasn't brought with a of then the carbon would be possible. So we mentioned yesterday we said we'd get back to this that Kalasher when he was his movement to build just based on the fact that the relations between the Jews and the Muslims at the time were better and he thought that if the Yidden used that taxi to get permission to build they'd be able to bring carbonas. So he started lobbying the to try to to try to start his movement. And there were many many chas that were written to Kasher picking holes in the idea of why potentially there would be an issue for him to to go ahead and and bring the carbon. One of the chas that were written was written by the baler heinger and it's printed in shuv sim. So the very first chuva in the classic bing is a chuva kisher and he's responding to the that he received the where kisher is innovative this unbelievable patent this idea that he has to go build him and that's what he goes ahead and he addresses so but at the end the the said that I have one one major issue what you want to say incidentally one of the things that kalisher apparently wrote in his that he felt was very very persuasive is the says we all know the so he said that what does it say afterwards so the first it says and only afterwards it says based So it sounds like first we're going to go all it's going to be is a mountain. There's going to be a there's going to be a gonna bring it's only afterwards but but it's going to be so he said it's just in terms of the that's the way it's going to be the told that the it's it's very nice doesn't because if you look at the gar the garra says The over there is going through the seder of and the was obviously instituted by and the sed is it was written in a certain sed for a reason and just picking up in the middle of the gor says we save because we're asking for after is going to be built is going to come and that's why after what's the next the Next first is going to come and then afterwards is going to come. You see that before the is resumed you're going to have to have so that you're bringing that you're getting SO EXCITED WITH THAT it's just the opposite first we say and then afterwards say has to come before the has to come before the either way it's a beautiful truth it's inside. It's the first but the punchline of the chuva the main reason that the ethlinger had a problem where it's movement was based on a in a we've quoted before the says in the says clearly that after the is going to be if you're going to want to bring a carb Hashem says that there's not going to be any more and one of them is he says it's true if a would bring a carbon he wouldn't be the carbon would be possible it's true it's not the only two is that is but at the same time to go and bring a carbon when you know there's not going to That's that's a very bigish you should be able to do that and being that the was made that even if you can make it work with all the and all the lumbus and all the but at the end of the day there's no and you can't go and bring a carbon when you know going in that this carbon is not going to have so what's in the says there is such a said he said number one could be the negate of because we're spoke yesterday a lot about the and what's that that means that when it's that when there's a mto there's an outside of the says is there let's say someone would be a carbon today says there's And now he brings the carbon outside in his backyard. If you if not there's no so says the it could be the whole is only to get the meaning in the sense that it's as if there's technically so if you bring a carbon but in terms of bring that it's a little bit he says something beautiful. He says that it could be it's true. There is a concept of but that's only meaning comes so you're going to have the you talk for this going to be but it's going to take time till everything is set up till everything is ready says in that time where it's already going to be after this but we're not going to have a that's where it's going to be and he says the em is that what's So one of the over there says they were discussing that's what they were discussing. They were discussing after the had already gone up there. They were working on building a baseto. So it wasn't anymore. That's it wasn't neither meaning in where you're already working on rebuilding the mto over there that's already over there. It's you don't have but today when we're living in a golas there's no way in the world today you'd be able to bring these. That's what the clan felt was the checkmate tus. That's we spoke in the chaser had a prize main issue besides for all the obvious issues the main issue had was where you going to find the brings and that you don't give says that there's no maybe that every said at the end of the day you can bring a you can have and you can have everything all set up but who who's the kayen you need a who's going to do that we just learned right now. It says you can't bring a carbon if you know that there's not going to be a now that this is in the says it in a few places. We've spoken out a few times. I personally had never seen the inside. The is in paris. That's the primary source and it's on this right here in his I'll read it to you inside says interesting the way he says it g says it' be hard maybe to build a said but says a little bit of history says that when the Romans destroyed the second Biktod they didn't destroy the they didn't destroy the misbeh and it remained intact until which was like 50 or 60 or so years later that was post the revolution so that many many years later already writing in the second century. So years later after that's when the was that's when it was and during that interim period AND THEY BROUGHT THEY BROUGHT IT says and he says over there they discuss is got together and they were being they got together the reason they were doing it it was related to the it was related to it was related to The carbon says those lived after the so why the carbon they lived after the says you know why because you don't need the you don't need the you need the and there was still during that interim period until the was still here it says and this is the punch line is a punch line but this is also but the says that even during those 50 years That's why the only carbon they brought was the carbon because it doesn't say anywhere in the word regarding the carbon as opposed to all the other and he goes through etc etc. Bottom line is that's so the was to the but the baler felt it was true for all carbon and that's why it was checkmate on the didn't feel that way felt it's only true for the carbon where you tackle find in the that says but there's one carbon where it doesn't say and that's the carbon if it doesn't say shouldn't be there if shouldn't be over there so the carbon you would be able to bring as it relates to other so were to the same based on this felt that this was checkmate this was a t on the entire movement then felt it precluded all carbon other than the carbon and that's why historically it was always the carbon that people were trying to bring because they were masculine they understood that there's an idea of but it wouldn't address the carbon the sh is we have a few more MINUTES WHY WHY IS the carbon different if every carbon is of why by the carbon would there not be of so years ago many many years ago I heard from and recently the set over the same mahal that is that we know that this is ra and raan what the kamha carbonus is the says that the reason gave the yen of the mitzvah of carbonus is because the yan was steeped in and the whole idea of bringing carbon is to try to be the from their so the and the when they were they used to worship goats and they would worship sheep now we take the goats and now we take the sheep and we serve it up to it's all to be from the raan was very not happy with that says raan is right in the beginning It's what the Ram is saying. It's the Rambam is taking the and he's turning it into something literally disgusting from the says. How could it be? The says the purpose is it's that the idea is then goes and he asks a whole bunch of cashes that we'll get to one day. But the bottom line is what do you say was all to be from said it can't be. You know how I know it can't be because it says and if it says it's that Hashem has something from it. What does Hashem have from it? Then the Rabban goes on to explain exactly what it is in a classic in his introduction to says I want to be I'm going to be the between the Ram and the Ram. So the Ram held was all to be people from the Raan held that there's of course there's and there's a lot to it says between carbon that were brought in and carbon that were brought on a bomb the carbon that were brought on that's the real deal as it relates to the carbonos that were brought on the bomber doesn't have a there's no real that Hashem has from the carbonos that are brought on the bama nor that's already minion to that's needed to be the lios of the tip. So that the carbonus that were brought in that's like the br that's going to be like that's going to be like the it's so because the very end and there's different from it. There's no because checkmate argument was what's the going to do with the words you see clearly has from it. It's very it's true on but when it comes to over there there's not going to be over there there's not going to be says I will say that for another day but I'll said they both said the same thing you can say very why the doesn't say because we know brings the mit used to worship the sheep so the whole idea of of carbon was to be from the of the it was here the was made what the reason for the carbon is it's all to be from like said that were done on the bum which was all to be from there's no why by the carbon you wouldn't have we'll speak out part two maybe on the stuff.