Zevachim 56

Today's is and we have two lines from the bin of today's being learned as and so the introduction to today's daf to the first half of today's daf is that we know the azor has a very special place in hal specifically kadashim was only allowed to be eaten by kohuna in the azara you were able to shack anywhere in the azara and somebody that's to was not allowed to enter the azara the gummor is going to discuss the definition of azara truth is that really this discussion begins with aishna midos the mishna says that the azor and this is during bayeni was 187 amus long by 135 amus wide. So the dimensions of the azoro were kuf and at first glance you would think it's back of the envelope arithmetic if the azori was ku and the three affformentioned are so where are those three meaning where could a eat kadashim where could one kum where is it that if a tummy would enter it bear it's that area That's by stating that the first half of today's said in the name of the great someone is not for entering the state of unless he enters that area that we just mentioned in the area that's 187 long by 135. There was a tan that sat in the presence of Nakman. By the way, kas 101 tunn that's talking to Ravnakman is an he's a later amra. A tanner in the context of the isra that used to teach Mishnayas and Bryis. He's called a Tana not al-shame vigra. He's called a tana alshame the fact that he's a bucky in the yonim. He's a quote unquote seni he different and braces than not everybody knew and as a result but either way there was an who taught the following the we just mentioned the was 187 by 135 wide soman heard this he told this I'll tell you what I heard from my father it's regarding this that are allowed to eat. That's the area that one can check and that's the area that if he were to enter would be of course. So really the d begins with two statements from the first is in the name of the second is in the name of his father. They both said almost the same thing and that is that when the Mishna says that the length of the Azor was 187 A and the width of the Azor was 135 A. It's that area and that area only that the hill applies to said it regarding one that's the in that area said in the name of his father it's three regarding that's what the are that's where and like in the name of that's the area that if a tummy would enter you would bears Another clash before we go v Revakman is quoting his father. Who's Revakman's father? The answer to that question is really the answer to another question and that is who is Rav. So we know throughout it's who was and that's really the says that is Rashi says was either way according to when says who's the and according to who's the which leads us But we'll get to that later. But either way, so we have these two that are both saying that this area which is the area where all these are going to be asks the obvious question meaning what exactly are the what are they adding to what we already didn't know? We know that the Azor was 187 by 135. We know that uh Tommy is not allowed to enter the Azor. We know that Kachikasham has to be eaten in the Azor. We know you have to every single thing that is being used to come up with this is everything is any kid in that learn would know this there has to be some and specifically just the words it sounds like that as much as the Mishna says that the Azor was 187 by 135 but there's an area that maybe would also be considered part of the Azor thus all these would apply to that areas. Well, they're not going to and the wants to know what is that area says the windows the doors and the thickness of the wall. Now takes out the word. So we're going to follow the gears of the so would mean there were windows in certain parts of the walls of the azara. inside that window is not part of the 187 by 135. I can hear it's part of the Azara, but it's not part of those dimensions. And the reason is because the 187x 135 is the inside part of the Azara. It's from the inside of one wall to the inside of the other wall. If you take the thickness of the walls into account, it's actually going to be a little bit longer. It's going to be a little bit wider. So what would be if a Tommy would go into the of Dazz or if a Coen would sit in that with his legs dangling and he would eat the Kadashim or if somebody would somehow do a over there. So maybe coming to say that you could have thought that that area is considered as that it's not. Additionally would mean if the person was standing on top of the wall it's the same difference. You're not in the is that coming to be it can't be you know why because it's a says just the opposite and this is a meaning as much as it's not part of the but it is still considered part of the case maybe so the lisk were mentioned at the end of the previous and these were chambers so we're familiar with all these different types of chambers that existed in the azaro and could Those you would have had should be considered part of the regarding all these says which are we referring to. If we're talking about that were built meaning outside of the but they opened into the Azor meaning the way to get to the was through the Azor that they have this entrance way that goes directly into the Azor. Well, if that's what it's coming to be can't be but because that's also a that says this is that says that those actually were treated like theor so they are like theor and again as much as they're not part of the we see that they're considered part of the now the more about the it's interesting the is never even going to entertain that maybe coming to the and they were that would seem to be an obvious you have these they're somewhat ancillary to the then it's not contradicted by that the ensuing discussion as we're about to see is going to be completely non-applicable and maybe that's what they're calling me to be so the say that the problem with that is that those being that they were and they were so posh that they're not part of the yeah Maybe if you look at it with flesh and you would say I don't know maybe it's part of the azor but we do know it's not part of the azara and the only know that the again could be part of the azor is if so that's why the doesn't even entertain the because it's so obvious the only that maybe you would be coming to be is and that's a problem it can't be with that because it's a foolish that says on Maybe that means meaning is that it's going to be considered but not we're talking on a level but says is that true we have a for this is specifically addressing this case allowed to enter the are allowed to eat and now had to be eaten in the azara also had to be eaten in the azara. How do we know that? It's a pos but really the behind it is because the was right if the kach has to be eaten in the so that's come together in this case it says the how do you know that were allowed to be eaten even in the I know from a it says so we have to see the whole the is in It's talking about the it says the leftover of the should be eaten by right. They should be eaten in a form of where in a place of and they should eat it in the were bothered with the redundancy of this. which means the and then the says which means the so why the have to tell it to me twice says the it's coming to be not only the but even the in the words of the takes out the word but the was coming to me that not only could you eat in the kof But even in those you'd be able to eat it as well. But what do you see from here? You see that the have a dinner of a and not only they have a rises he can't tell me the name of his father we're coming to be when they said that is these that says and it's a that learns this from a which makes it a can't said the terrorists. He said you have to say that as it relates to as it relates to that have to eat and that is going to be true even for the but it's only for it's not and what's the reason but it's only with regards to as relates or as it relates to over there you're not going to have that. So in other words had to defend the and the way he defended them was by saying that as much as the saying that the are not considered that isn't it isn't it the answer is yes however the are talking specifically about and we're not talking about now the truth is before we go we have to revisit what said right let's look at what said He only said it about definitely is with what said in the name of his father this oops he said it regarding he said it regarding but he also said it regarding we just said that never meant it regarding But the terrorism is very posit what we're saying is that in the there's a to be had and the is here and not there the is only negate the latter two things that said in the name of his father again it's not a false statement as it relates to it's just that that inference is not going to be true regarding a as it relates to the are going to be treated really like but the continues and the says you're telling me that as relates to these are not considered and that's and that's part of there's another as it relates to these are allowed to enter and they'reowed Right. This is already that we see that we had it in the we had it in the brought and he had it ready for the third time. Okay. So far there's no kesh over here. This is not a ste to anything because yeah we know it's based on a column. This is also good right because that's what want they want. But as it relates to everything else, the problem is the next words that even with regards to even with regards to what's that these are going to be considered and if that's the case we have a real kasha. Now why do we have a real kasha? Well, as relates he said and we're explaining that he's coming to be these here you have that says what about the name of his father. So there you can technically give because just like we said when he said it could be could be as it relates to it's also we would have been going which is what the says more than the name of his father but either way it's a problem in the because we're trying to say that could be shiny and here you have here you have that but the garra says like this Doesn't the price say right it says in the no if it says then it makes sense that you should say as well. So this needs a little bit of help from Rashimar's timing that really it doesn't make any sense why there should be a difference between as it relates to these meaning you want to tell me there's a between that makes sense it's based on a but what would be the in the world to say that these are not considered considered a with regards to but they are considered a with regards to it makes absolutely no sense. It's so much doesn't make sense that there must be some that needs to be made. Something's off with the and we need to change something. Either we have to make into so be consistent with the of or you have to say that there's no problem of which will make it consistent with the laws of but you have no choice but to go one way says the we have I think what we should say is we'll say that the price doesn't mean it really means and if it means And not only is this Bryce, I'll just speak this out on but to the contrary it's actually and by the way to say it even more not only is it that as much as regarding and that's what the price is saying the price is exactly the up until this point what the price was saying is based on a why because it's not part of the and not and not but rather again because it's not part of the either you want to ask me from this it's there's an edit that has to be had and if that's the case why not just make the edit to make it all work make literally it all work even with and if that's the case there's no kash But the gar says it's not what you're saying. The whole premise to change a price right as much as we say that you can change prices sometimes definitely more so than you can mishn. But this is like a last resort last resort. It's not something you do unless you're forced into doing it. In this bra we feel like we're forced into doing it because it makes no sense that should be in. But the says I disagree with that whole premise. I'll explain to you very clearly why could be in and this is really where it seguates from yesterday's and I'll tell you why would be has to be these even though but they're on the side they're not connected and that they're not connected so it's for that reason the is that in my But as it relates to over there, there's no and if there's no of so there's no reason to assume that the would be in I'll tell you that would be and just like you find that you could eat the so maybe would be as well and if that's the case you can have a meaning if it's to make a either in in or So we'll make that in and we'll make it with but is the it's not at all. It's not again you could explain it but it's not from the why is it not from the because the whole was how could it be I'll tell you very simple because these I'll tell you have a you see regarding it's not a right I'll tell you it has a regular you want to know why because when it comes to is a special has to be but the says that being that there's no to make the cuz I could rationalize why you would be in so if that's the case you have no to make and if you no to make the but says I disagree with you you can't say in this is that the reason is not because it's not it is that's why you can the reason Because if that's the case, aren't we talking even in aka where it is? You tell me as if to say it can't be talking about where there was can't be meaning it's it has to also be talking about and I'll tell you why because if not then what do I even need this for? Meaning even see you tell me the whole it makes no sense because even this price is coming to and it's telling me that when it comes to it's even where all other things are okay checks OFF EVERY OTHER BOX. THE ONLY ISSUE IS IT'S NOT IT'S PART OF these and you tell me that means it's not considered. best not consider then why should we be considered as it relates to as it relates to Ella you must say right you have no choice you have to say that there's a edit that has to happen meaning even though it's well if it doesn't then it makes perfect sense to make the say as it relates to as well and like this. So again the name of his father when they said that hey what they were coming to be was not was not what they were coming to were the and what they were saying was that in as much as we find that those litkoys have a Right, let's say it a little now. They have with regards to because it's a and it's a that learns it from a that's only with regards to but as it relates to as it relates to isn't it that says that regarding those if you have like that the answer is yes. However, this is a Bryce that's really it requires an edit. It requires a and if the then the BC is not a on but it's a that even though with regards to we treat it as a but with regards to nothing to do with regards to it's not aes and with regards to it is not aes which is precisely what the said says the one thing that emerged from the shakario that we just said is that as much as that has to be but there's no to where do you see that because entertained that maybe the regarding everything it'd be a problem with the that the began with but maybe has a den of a kadesh regarding anything stating that because those are not is that also has to be well that would then mean that you can't eat in those either for the same reason it would be and the same price that said where the mean it's because it's not said that means when the just entertaining of the issue in this bryer is And it has no problem with being is of the opinion that this is only true with regards to it's not true with regards to and is going to have two cautious with this one from a and the other from a first theor is that true when it comes to the if this sounds familiar because it was in yesterday's So there were these two small doors that were by the was the room where all the were all the knives were and these were eight tall and the reason that they were there was so the longer version of this gamarra was yesterday's d but for now if you remember the gammorra said that by having these doors you were able to create a situation where the lishka would now be so what? So now you'd be able to eat there and you'd be able to kachum there. What does it sound like from the you need hence this construction so that you should okay that we know but also that you should be able to eat that even requires said it's a great kasha but I have even a better just erase the word right can't beat that and if you take out the word ail well obviously the whole kasha is not a kasha but now thear asks a kasha from a viv The says so this P is talking about the carbon that were brought during the and the Pik says that they brought these special carbon and then they were told that this is a that they had to cook the basar and eat it by the pes of the oil. So it's that when you're eating you have to eat it but says that was a special carbon those would never be brought again and as a result as it relates to so there could be there's a has to be connected but you can't bring to from something that's only exhale this concludes the first part of today's d the second part of today's daf is very longish this is an often quoted suga in the world of and it's the of so high level we know the is that carbonas had to be brought during the day in the event that did a 3:00 in the afternoon and then he looks outside and it's the sun is setting at that point the dam becomes possible and as a result you'll never be able to do a z with that dam Now we're familiar with the concept of right? in Mura for example that are left out overnight by the next morning they become possib of but it becomes pos not after two days and a night but rather So as soon as the sun sets at that point this d becomes possible what the is and what are some of the ramifications of this that is the balance of today's said how do you know that becomes possible you know it from the following now we'll read the whole it says in the event that somebody bought a carbon and the carbon was a nether or a now the pik is about to describe the of this carbon which means that what kind of nether or is it it's a schlam right because a nether or can be either an orlan like it's not ethan so back of the envelope arithmetic process of elimination right it's pretty straightforward by definition this must be carbon schlum so we're talking about a schlum so the tus says The person that brings the can eat it on the day that he brought it. Meaning the day that you bring the carbon, you can eat it. And you can eat it the next day as well. This is an interesting word. In fact, it's a tricky word. And anything that's left over on that second day, you're you're allowed to eat from it as well. Essentially, what the Torah is telling us in a long-winded way is that which we already knew such as the garbage is eaten for two days and a night. So what's the day that you brought it and the next day as well when it says in the it doesn't mean when it's possible once it's possible if somebody would eat from it would be means it was left over for the second day. Ramb we have read on this from the last says that you see the refers to day two as he's from here that there's a mitzvah to eat the first day even by which is technically eaten for two days and a night what's the fact that the refers to it as how do you use that word noer is like saying piggle right how could you invoke a word like that and then say you can go ahead and eat it says it's m that on some level it's aer this does not know sir that you're allowed to eat. But either way says the this talking about what it's talking about is where do you see it? Because it says means means and we learn from here that has to be the so if I shack it today I have to do this today but once the sun sets it's not today anymore it's already tomorrow and being that it's already tomorrow so it's not the how could I use this to teach me. I need it for the This is a very important every word, every syllable in this is needed to teach me the was eaten for two days in a night. Nothing extra over here to teach me says the no why did have to say it could have just said the word is extra it's coming to teach me meaning you're right the part of this is something that's very very needed but the word that's extra Terry didn't have to say that and the fact that mentioned the word must be to teach me this maybe not maybe the whole is coming to tell me this and you want to know why the told me I'll tell you why because it's what means to say if you're going to do this today then you can eat the today and the next day meaning you have two days to eat it and maybe what the Tory is saying by saying is that if you would do this tomorrow then you'd be able to eat the tomorrow and the day after that meaning maybe the reason the terror is telling me is because the two days is totally not in the it's so why you tell me once you tell me I'll tell you why because is not which means and can happen on two different days and that the two days and the night is totally not It's totally so I hear if that were the case I can live with that but if that's what the was coming to say then it should have only said why did tell me again the p is coming to tell me you want to tell me the reason it mentioned is because it's totally okay why you tell me why do you have to tell me and if it's totally in this so don't tell me and if Don't tell me. Why did the Torah tell me both? There's a that's coming to be this. It's coming to be for them and to teach me. This is the grace of And this next reads a little bit like a Ken does the ofen and he had a mash pickle. The mash pickle was your classic pickle that he is going to eat the and the he had in mind that he's going to eat the baser was it was the night after the second day. So again kachum kum is eaten for two days and a night. So the first day you could eat it that night you could eat it. The following day you could eat it. The night after that you can't eat it anymore. So if somebody would have a to eat the ber then would that be or not says the says no it would be says that it would be says it would be kosher why right at this point it's already you're not let anymore so if you're not let you had a mind to eat but the reason it's going to be into because at the end of the day there's no mitzvah noer yet at that point because although it's noiser technically from the standpoint that you're not allowed to eat it but the mitzvah that's not something that happens until the next morning as we'll see soon the is going to learn that from a I mean that the mitzvah with the doesn't happen until the next morning so it's not really and if it's not really so therefore it's not consider said it's going to be ple And the reason is because you can't eat it and being that you can't eat it, it's considered and that's enough for it to be a problem. So the that next night again the first day it night second day and the following night we're referring to the arishi. Why we calling it the arishi? Because it's the eve of what would be the third day. You have two days that you're allowed to eat it. This is the eve of the third day. If a client would have a mak would it be a machete or would it not be avo there? But then again, it's not yet at the point where the Torah says that you have to treat it like regular which we know as so iter because there's no. So do you treat it or not? Why? Because at the end of the day at the end of the day, what would be if somebody eats from a carbon carbon, but he ate it that third night? Again, we said you're not allowed to, right? But let's say somebody went ahead and he did it anyways. Said you would be from what? from the of meaning it's not considered noiser and being that it's not considered noiser that of that somebody has if he eats you're not going to have and the reason is this is views that third night is not regular and as a result you're not going to be because at the end of the day you're not allowed to eat it if you're not let to eat it that means it is noer and if it is noiser well that's the case then it's going to be a problem. You're going to be as well. So really two is in between. They both seem very much with regards to the eve of what would be the third day. Do we treat it like regular? Do we treat it like a regular or not? On the one hand, you're not let but then again there's no until the following morning. said I don't view this as regular if someone would have to eat the bus then it's not considered if somebody would physically eat it he violated this man of when you're supposed to eat it there is some involved but at the same time wouldn't be says at the end of the day it's not this man of this therefore would be and it is nicer as much as there's no yet it is nicer and it's for that reason if somebody would eat from it he would be talking aer that supports as relates to this that's allowed to be eaten for one day. So let's just uh back up for one second before we start this. So we're talking about kachum column now kachum column can be eaten for two days and a night. That's in contrast to kachi kadashim which is eaten for a day and a night. Right? So let's get this clear. Just if we can visualize it makes this price very simple. Kachadashim Kayen's brew a carbon at three o'clock in the afternoon the boser you could eat from now until the end of the day that entire night you could eat it once the sun sets on the next morning that's when you run into problems if it was kachum column you could eat it the rest of the day you can eat it the whole night you could even eat it the whole tomorrow it's once the sun sets on tomorrow that's when you're going to end up having a problem so the bryer now discusses all the very easy that could eaten only for a day. as it relates to a pigle of what's of when it's considered and that's based on who said if a can have regarding eating the or being when would it be right that's very posh you could eat it the whole night because We can eat for a day and a night. You could be it the whole night, right? Where's that first once the morning comes it's already then it's going to be already. So again with regards to the and of what about Colin that could eat him for two days and a night. as it relates to right once the sun sets at that point that's already going to be considered as it relates to that's why is it that because the of are the same as the of you could be it the rest of the day the entire night but by the next day it's going to be at that point you wouldn't be able to be mured anymore and this is the punch line this is the kind of as relates to the is when the sun sets on the second day what's the because at that point you're not let it anymore and therefore if you would have to eat it then it would be why it's right because that's whether or not it's from that was said I don't care if it's not which part of the brace the last line of the bra that when it comes to with regards to it's not the first night that's for it's when ready for the second night that elaborates And some of these you would think that could be eaten on that third night. Meaning you would take it for granted that you can't eat. If you would have to eat it during that time, would it be would not be but one thing is for sure you're not let it eat. Then what's the says the Bryce? So you would have thought that maybe you even could. You find that can be eaten for one day and you find that can be eaten for two days just like when it comes to that can be for one day. We know the night follows that it comes along with a night says the you would think that even for two days maybe the night afterwards meaning you get the night together with the day. So maybe when it comes to you get the night as well. So it says in the P and we learn from there. So what's this? So first of all the it says you can eat carbon on the day that you brought it and the next day as well. Clearly we're talking about and anything that's left over by the third day has to be burnt. This is a little bit of a tricky and a little bit of a tricky pit. The way you read this is that's you're allowed to eat it. The next part of the that's you're not allowed to eat it. In fact, you have to burn it. Meaning this is talking about real bonafide as opposed to what? as opposed to the it says here it says hence the dead giveaway that that noiser is the eat this noiser is a a regular noise standing anything that's left over up until the third. No, whatever's left over on the third day that you're supposed to go ahead and burn that even though of this right in light of the we can appreciate this. Even though the of this is talking about that you're not allowed to eat. And by the way, if somebody would need it even but the word is coming to teach me another way to in this and that the word is not the bad noiser, but the word is actually the good. And the way you read it is like this. And whatever's left over because you remember in the other P we called whatever is left over you can eat this is the end of the day the but once IT'S NIGHT ALREADY AT THAT point you're not going to be able to eat it. The word is coming to tell me up until when I'm allowed to eat. And even though it says, but I know the word noiser could mean what I'm not allowed to eat or the already used as a precedent that means anything that's left over on the second day when I actually am allowed to eat it. So again, whatever on the third day but didn't like the word. They felt there was a over here. Not they didn't like but there was a to be had. It's so said is referring to the second day and how much into the second day are you allowed to eat but once it's already light at that point you wouldn't be able to as much as therefore there would be some sort of to say that if the night comes together with the day so maybe here too the night should come together with the day that that's really not the case continuing along in the B so you would think that if you not let it eat the buster of at night. Okay, so maybe there should be a mitzvah for right away. Now that was also from the affformentioned between that as much as they both agreed that column that night but there's no that's why there was a that's why it's hold that you're not going to because there's no strafe until the next day even he agrees with the premise right he doesn't say I disagree with the premise I agree but at the same time is nicer so you should be. But either way, says the price of you would have thought that maybe at night really you could do and it actually would make a lot of sense that could be eaten for one day and that could be eaten for two days. Just like when it comes to that's eaten for day, right? When this man passes, they not let it eat it anymore, which is what the morning after. I mean that the so maybe by already there should be a mitzvah of the says this is an easy draw if the says you do it during the day. This is something that has to happen during the day. It's not something that has to happen at night. It's not something that can happen at night. Either way, from we learn that can be eaten for two days and one night you don't get that second night. And from we learn that in as much as you can't eat the on that second night what the refers to as the but at the same time you can't do the until the next morning until it actually is the now we're going to stop here stating that I just want to segue into a related rabbi and that is one of the classic tofus in makim It's the much longer of the two asks. How do you know that D becomes poss that I don't understand why to tell me that D becomes possible as if to say once the sun sets at that point we're not going to be able to do anything with this D. He said it's arithmetic that I won't be able to do anything with this D. Why could you do anything with this D? Of course not. We know all have to be done during the day. You can never do avoid at night. So once it's from the standpoint of doing the then that's obvious you can't do. Now once the sun rises on the next morning well at that point the dam already became possibelina because if a mim become possibelina the next morning for sure dam would also become possibelina argues. And if that's the case, why do I need a that is based on everything we know up until this point, it should be a very obvious inference. At night, you can't do this because the next morning the D is already possible, you know. And if that's the case, then by definition, you're backing into the fact that D is why do I need a D. The truth is Rashi doesn't ask this gasha because Rashi almost never asks any gashes. But it's very obvious from the last line of Rashi here on that Rashi was bothered by this and he felt in him being of he needed to address it. The last line of the we know this is meaning as much as the next day. What would be if the spent the night on the so there's a that holds that there's no says that that of is only the that holds that there's no if there's no so there could have been a of how you would do a you wouldn't do it at night But at the same time, the next day you'd be able to do it. What's if you wouldn't be able to be the next day because it's you would not be able to do the next day because it' be it's not so pushing that you can't be mocked the next day. It's totally whether or but according to the mama that holds no you could be if that's the case you'd be able to do that there's no that's the way Rashi learns clearly coming to address but when he asks Kasha that Rashi was already earning it and jumps on and says very afraid to rash answered the according to half of according to the holds that and says a ter and then says another terret and it's other terret that's very very famous it's so famous that we don't even realize how famous it is brings that said that it doesn't mean it doesn't mean in fact said that if you look around you find that this term sometimes is referring to the onset of night but sometimes kazal used the word and they meant That's way before night 72 minutes I don't know but it's way before nighttime when said here in it means the earlier it means what famously referred to as and that's really and being that it's really without the you to do his RECO RIGHT THEN AND THERE. You know why? Because it is and it's included in the even though you're not going to be able to go ahead and do his reco. But either way, Tom said that not all mentioned in were created equally. They don't all mean the same thing. There's a that's there's a that's this of course is the basis is the basis for the famous that we're all familiar with where it comes from who would have thunk it. It comes from a real not to be feared. This is not the only that it comes from. There's mentioned Shabas where you would expect it to be. It's mentioned in the end that you would also expect it to be as it relates to the related rabb that we went through together when we were learning. It's called what time is candle lighting where we went through really from the ground up until some of the contemporary nuances that relate to this sham and we are going to stop here. So just to go back to yesterday's raid bite which began very much allar it began very much on a on the and then it digressed a little bit. So today Sashem will continue a little bit on that digression and really discuss some foundational principles, a little bit of lumbus as well as it relates to understanding the idea of Shabas as relates to understanding as an extension of that the idea of hashm and as relates to understanding the idea a little bit of but we ended off with a little bit of a problem and that is if there's a mitzvah according to all the Rama And there's two ways to be either or by So if that's the case, are we ever or the mitzvah of the Shabas would have to happen before Shabas Shabas starts. If that's the case, you would have to before have either been shabas verbally or at the very least believe or say if you make an early shabas but if you don't make an early shabas so where is it ever that you're shabas are we every single shabas by not doing something proactively to be shabas and the truth is there areim who who talk about this and they say that that's what you're supposed to do that you're supposed to figure out a way and build it into your shabas protocol to be shabas there's a and you have to be aware of it because if you're not aware of it you can miss the boat and you can end up being mitzvah of but I think that it's just exploring this in a little bit in order to explore we have to take a a step back and we need to really delve into some raid again we're going to take the long scenic route We could do the do this in a much shorter way but delve into some raid that we've left on the table going back to and really most most recently only a few do ago was discussing how long it would take for a person to travel during the day or how much time a person can travel during the So the Gmorra said like this is talking how much is a person travel during the day one par equals 4 million which means a person travels 40 million what's the breakdown person travels for mill from another formula between a person travels 32 million. Either way, the Tana said that a person travels from. So if you want to know in terms of how far a person can travel what the she is between the is formula asks from another it's another and the time of that is the same the over there is discussing mashes so mmashes is what we loosely define as twilight that's between day and night. It's a suffic if it's day and night. It could be it's either day, it could be it's either night. Therefore, therefore, anything that ever happens, you can always go it starts and it continues as long as the eastern front is read. So says that begins by and it continues and what exactly this means rabb said that in terms of in terms of what is saying is is that starts by and it continues for a period of time that's the equivalent of 3/4 of a mill. So the amount of time a person be able to travel 3/4 of a mill that's the shear of so it starts it continues which means it's 3/4 of a mill after that it's not being anymore which means by definition it's at that point they say it's like argued and said it's not three quarters of a mill but rather it's twothirds of a meal we have a whenever there's between with three exceptions to the rule. We pass him like even though the says that was a we like we pass like as a result all the is like that the according to is 3/4 of a mill. starts by and it ends 3/4 of a mill later. That's when between the two here that said that how long would it take a person to travel from here was discussing the and he said it's from up until which is a 3/4 of a mill. How much time is there between is it 4 million or is it 34 of a mill it's and in both places brings the same exact ter in the name of the same in the name of And said because of this, you have to say that the was referring to and the that the was referring to in is not the same. That means even though the word would is is a very general term and you would think wherever Kazal used the word they meant the same thing but it must be there's two it must be this two and the of and the is not the same the of is referring to what we know as sunset when the sun begins the of is what we know as sunset which is when the sun begins to set and that from when the sun begins to set what we know what your calendar will say up until that's how long it would take a person to travel from from it's where the says in that from it's only 3/4 of a mill it doesn't mean it doesn't mean what we know as but rather it's referring to some later point in the setting of the sun what epically referred to as and from that's three of a mill in other words there's two there's the and there's the that's referring to what we know and from that until it's the of that's referring to a much later time it's referring to from that point until is only 3/4 of a mill. So if you do the back back of the envelope arithmetic from until essentially is three and a quart of a mill right because is 4 million after it's 3/4 of a mill after which means the difference between simple math is going to be three and one of a mill that's said to answer this but what emerges then is that according to baymashes doesn't start with but rather starts with it doesn't start when your calendar says but rather it's 3 and a4 million later it's at that point that starts and it's not until another 3/4 of a mill later the point is according to Laya starts much much later than stating that the vagian in his beer grow brings and in one of the longest beer grows in he asks cash after cash after he was not masked to raen the belt says over that said that when he sees he has three days worth of cashes to ask and I heard from he said over in the name of that in this mero and he used to say that the coin said he had three days worth of to ask he said that's what the kitser of the vulgarian right everyone knows how the kits of the vulgarian wrote and with the of you can imagine how that conversation is going to go and he said three days worth of the and with the but the said he doesn't understand it and he opened up he has a bunch of cautions but his first line literally chapter 1 verse one and this long famous is he says the mitas is not that way says I don't understand we know what is it's dark outside you're going to tell me you have to wait from until it's night time. It's not true. The may not that way and as a result the just fighted away and he said the can't be like muam had a good he had a steer didn't just decide to say such a he was trying to reconcile two is a steer in when exactly is it 3/4 of a mill after or is it four million after so he had no choice but to say this there must be there must be a so the said no in the two is a little bit differently That's was referring to and three of after is already says from it takes him four million. So we just learned this so we could appreciate it a little bit better. It's not a now this is literally so we can is not talking about was discussing astronomy we're trying to just figure out how much a person can travel is not the is not the three stars which now defines this man as being we're talking about a person that's traveling people are willing to travel when there's a few stars outside but when it's and it's pitch dark at that point you're going to shut down that's what the is referring to a person's going to travel from until and that's a much later time like Tom said that's for me later but in terms of the that's not what was referring to that was referring to which was the but from a perspective you want to know said is three quarters of a mill. It's not 3/4 of a mill after in other words answered the steer between the by saying there's two answer by saying there's two but the point is we have a between how to reconcile this a major major with ramifications that are literally every day and every night and that is when does Laya start? When does Laya start? So if you ask when's what about that's true is already and because of that we're always already so let's talk in terms of so when does bash mash start according to the start it's look at your app or look at your calendar what time is so you're going to know what time is at that point you shut down if it's or whatever the is according No, no, you have another three and a quart mill the doesn't start until now just to appreciate a little bit just to appreciate a little bit the ramifications of of this and that is so the difference the delta between the lila and is three and a/4 million. So how does that translate into minutes? says how long a meal is 18 minutes, 22 1/2 minutes, 24 minutes. So the shortest year is 18 minutes and the longest year is 24 minutes and people usually go depending on whatever whatever the is going to be. If you take 3 and a/4 and you multiply by 18, it's 58.5. If you take 22 and 1/2 and you multiply it by 3 and a/4, it's 73 minutes and change. And if you take 24 and you multiply it by 3 and a/4 it's 78 minutes and change that's a long time meaning the difference between when happens just tack on another 3/4 of a mill but the difference is going to be anywhere between an hour and an hour and 20 minutes. So according to if now is Laya according to you have another 18 minutes you have another 78 minutes you have a long long long time just to put it into a little bit more perspective this week Lakewood New Jersey is 5:35 that's when that's when is 553 according to is 553 according to Shabas this week is going to be anywhere between 650 and 710 depending depending on which sheet you want to go with. The chabas says we will be after 7:00. Okay. Shabas is 7:00, right? You don't get so much dramatic effect from that. But let's translate this into which is going to be 8:30. According to Shabas doesn't happen until 10:00 at night. Literally Shabas is 10:00. What time shabas? Tonight and 9:52. You have plenty of time, right? That's what time shabas is. Literally it's 10:00. But that's that's according to So who do we pass? And so what's the who do you pass like in two places and where he talks about this past like it's not even up for discussion the can bring the villag was a commentary on the so there's one that's brought down it's the town brings it he says that the pass like is like there's no question in the world this is not up for discussion that like so we talk about or we talk about these types of if someone it's according to the because like showed me a safer where somebody was and he has 70 no less than 70 that held at like Tom or said what Tom Meaning the without question stating that stating that the is not so and really the one that that more than anyone brought it out with a with a tremendous was the Mishna a little bit but much more in the cotton base it's a long piece but it flows and it's inside. So the brings everything that we just said the steer between the two and then he brings the sheet of and the says regarding the he says that this is not a new brought the sheet of the and he brings that he found this of the so not to conflate the was just the but this is the as in before these either said that this even though people think it's a but this is an old and shak spoke about it already and he said he found it literally by the and then he goes and he brings that the prag held this way and he brings it that it's mashed that way from a raan and from a and he brings it from the safest there that he also came out like so he says if that's the case being that all these held this way he says it's to me that it would it would be it would be to be he says he says that if you have so many that in that way that to go and to be in a question of sufficilo is going to be raw. And he says, I'm not only saying this with regards to that even though and really at first glance it would seem like there was and we know the was he argued within very often and just like Rav was a Tanu the was but at the same time you would think that if the should be like but made a revolution and he said that I found it from not that way and he found it in the and it's and he came out and he said to all not only which is but by all and it's because of that that every single Kamatis Mahm everybody takes on these there's anecdotes that are told about the satarov I don't know these stories and all the act the intricacies of it but suppose when the satarov came to America there was a meeting with him and and got to sat to not go like and before the war a lot of can follow again it's the so it's okay you have to apologize for following the but at the same time there was this idea that people were trying to be and to take on the sheet of which of course was another day on Israel and then there was some sort of meeting and some sort of negotiation where they came up with some settlement. I think there was some give and takes on both sides of the aisle. you have to speak to the but either way this is what came out and it because because of this even though the says that doesn't really happen until much later but this is the way but the truth is is that when we start chabas today right if you look at your uh your app I suppose so you have and then you have this ofen is 18 minutes I think in most places before and the question is the question is where does that come from right What's what's this 18 minutes all about? What's what's that all about? Feinstein in a trua and this is a tru that we've spoken out many times and every time we've spoken it out we spoke it out for a different reason. It's a short but there's a lot there. It's it's so being driven to yeshiva on the lower side. It was afterl but it was before and somebody saw sitting in a car and he thought that passed thought it was inappropriate that the god is sitting in a car after so he wrote a letter to and he gave what referred to as you can't say this but like he told him I don't understand he says that he felt he made his case for why he thought shouldn't have done that so addresses mentions him by name and then he says this is this is a god response he said I had that you know there's a and you took it upon yourself to write a letter I could tell from the way you wrote the letter you're a little uncomfortable but you know there's a mitzvah and you do what you have to do right it's clear from's response that the person felt a little bit like maybe it would bother him. He writes, "I'm never going to do this. Even there isn't even there. Not even." And then he tells him because I'm sure you know the only time you have maris is if you do something that most times when people do this it's somebody sits in a non-coosher restaurant. Most times you're not just drinking water. So as a result you're doing something where you're doing is interpreted as then even if you do it there's something called but to do something that's 100% because of paranoia that maybe somebody else is going to think it's right reminiscent of that's already not something that you have to worry about. So he says like this what I did which was I sat in a car after everybody knows women and the men they do it later he says here on the lower side we we light candles 20 minutes before that's where it is in most places everybody knows even women that men have another 18 minutes. But if you have you have another 18 minutes incidentally what's the 18 minutes so he explains the letter in the it was 20 minutes early because 2 minutes for Shabas held that the sh of Shabas is 2 minutes this is where it comes from this he says we have another 18 minutes because it's a of two minutes for Shabas. So it says that that shabas when you saw me that's what week it was 4:32 49 you know exactly what he did it was 4:19 when he was sitting in the car he knew that was 4:32 you know how much time he had he said that I was able to drive pun intended I could have done a ride that was five times the amount of time and I still would have isn't I would have had like two minutes to that you need he says not everybody knows this because not everybody knows that that's not enough of reason to make it into a sign but concludes I'm skipping but being that you feel that some people might think it's a second time in the same not to do it and then listen to the sensitivity. I'm giving you a bra that in the of the mitzvah of and the of the mitzvah of shabas that you clearly have you should be all the and all the that come from the and he this was I once saw that he said that he went he said over this and he told he said he said this is he said but I'll component this tru there's so much there but of that's said he says the whole idea of 20 minutes or 18 minutes whatever exactly that shar is the is and it's a mic that women took upon themselves they're the ones that light candles so they're the ones that took upon this m but for a man there's no such and there's no question that's not something you have to do and the god felt that this whole 18 you need no question not it's you know when that is there's a mitzvah said okay you have come on 2 minutes for but if you're lighting candles 20 minutes earlier a man is going to have 18 minutes there was a there's a very he's my brother Penny Harowitz's grandfather wrote to came out so sent was and he printed many of them in the beginning of our base. So if you have base from siml until it's all responses from it's responses to some of the he asked him in sim in simvos mentions one of the that had and it was on this cha right here in sim. So told he read the about sitting in a car and it was during that time between felt that what's the problem. So it shouldn't be an issue but he said that he has a and he said that he wants to he wants to suggest another understanding perhaps of why the min is to light candles 18 or or 20 minutes before and that's based on a third in the world of we mentioned the is 3/4 of a mill from we mentioned the which is also the which is 3/4 of a mill after but there's a third and that's the of the and the brings the sims have gotten based the which was written by one of the histo is 3/4 of a mill that's but not 3/4 of a mill after it's 3/4 of a mill before that's when it is it's 3/4 of a mill before in fact the brings that the brings the and the B says that they were kihilo that were m to start shabas early and the reason they were m to start shabas early is because they took on the sheet of the bey like the of the is that it's 3/4 of a mill before told there's a mic in to light candles early 18 minutes 20 minutes wrote in the it's I don't know it's a mik and it's a mic for the one to candles but shabas shabas starts with and for shabas IS 2 MINUTES SO it ends up starting a little bit earlier but you don't have to go before that anything you do before that is a meaning and it's a form so what does a man have to do with that fell there's not even an Indian to be there's no said I don't know if that's true maybe the reason there's a mic is because OF THE AND THE ALREADY BROKE 500 YEARS AGO there was such a mic and after he brings it he says so that means this has teeth. So he said if that's the case maybe that's so he said he made a very basic back of the envelope. He said if the minute is 18 or 20 minutes he said you know what must be is because it's the holds that it's 3/4 of a mill before. So what's a mill 18 minutes 22 and 1/2 minutes 24 minutes. So they must have come up with some sheet of what a mill is 3/4 of that's going to be 15 16 minutes I don't know do the math tack on another two three minutes for and there you have your minute of 18 to 20 minutes but there's a tremendous because that if it's on men then everybody has to take on this if it's no basis in okay so you'll tell me it's related to lighting candles women light candles so they have this minute they have But if it's related to a what women are more for the than men are what does that mean? So now the man has this just like a woman does. So if that's the case you have the plus you have another two minutes. So that's so this was the and printed printed the first cha he was going to print the second one. So printed this cha as well and wrote back. He says he doesn't agree. He says he knows it's a he said but we don't paskin like the we don't pask like it. And he says not just that brings the and he was he wasn't him to the so he said take on this who said it's interesting to take on the goita and the go that's a real shittita that's a shittita that has tremendous places so he said that's a shittita that we have to take on there's no question but to take on the of the who says you have to take on the says I don't think that's he said he says there are certain kilo with Domin is 10 minutes where they light candle 10 minutes earlier. So they said if the minus they light 10 minutes early that has nothing to do with the because then you miss the for the need 3/4 of a mill. The earliest the shortest share of a mill is 18 minutes. 3/4 of 18 minutes is more than 10. So you're going to miss out. It's 40 minutes before. So what's that? That's not says the teres were different where they took on that the women that light candles should light candles early. It was never meant to be the his with regards to with regards to the we always talk about being when it comes to famous and where should be it's not over here writes in the Nobody takes on this uranita. So he says if nobody takes on this he disagrees. In other words there was a fundamental shil between in terms of understanding this minute of 18 minutes and understanding this minute of 20 minutes. Is it based on or perhaps or perhaps it's based on it's based on the but the truth is it could be there's a third in terms of understanding in terms of understanding the idea of lighting candles earlier very short and that is in so he says as follows it's not in that meaning even though the is that people early, but it doesn't have to be that way. If it's a half hour before it's already says that even though Shabas is a mitzvah and it's a mitzvah you have to be but really really really you don't have to be really there's a where Shabas happens there's where even without your it's automatically Shabas And what is that? That's the said when that when the said a half hour before he didn't mean a half hour before, but he meant a half hour before he meant a half hour before. So there's an idea that happens a half hour before. So if that's the case, then why do we always talk about being if it happens by itself? Oh, it's very simple because what if you want to be Mab earlier? If you want to be more than a half hour before say so then already you would have to make a but otherwise it happens by itself and then the goes on and he and he starts shrying and he gives he said the people don't know this they don't realize that shabas happens by itself and they don't realize that it happens a half hour before and he says if I would have the he would start making and he said heard in prag they make such takas and I wish I could do it here also but I don't have the I don't have the ability to do it but if I would have the ability to do it this is something that I would institute but that there's a concept of that happens by itself and when does it happen by itself a half hour before a half hour before is approximately 18 minutes before right give or take it's approximately the same time but the point is this would seem to be another it would seem to be another that there's an idea of being even Why even before is voluntary it's not something I have to do didn't think so is actually something that happens by itself and it happens a half hour before that's when it happens so if if 15 to 16 whatever minutes before uh so you figure out what this man is but it's a half hour before so if it's a half hour before you're going to end up with your gonna end up with your sh the bottom line is the bottom line is is that you see from the that there's an idea of starting of for happening by itself and happening earlier and that would be another why maybe a person should should start chabas earlier but another thing you see in this we'll come full circle and maybe pick it up with a part three and another thing that you see from all this is is that even though the brings it there's two ways to be in early shabas It's something that you have an obligation to do. It's a mitzvah essay. But even though you have this mitzvah, there's two ways to do it. Either you make avar and maybe even believe or another way to do this. Another way to do this is by going and ding. But the truth is that's just if you want to do it earlier. But there's a certain happens by itself. That's in the and it's hard to it's so says there is this that happens by itself. Now what's that? So the is a little ambiguous. He said what exactly that means that's what the that's what the said that the is only two minutes but let's go with the said that is two minutes but two minutes happens by itself. So we started off with a question which is really the question we ended off with yesterday and that is a mitzvah to all the with the exception of the so there's a mitzvah called how we carrying the mitzvah of requires a either or you have to say or something there has to be some of in order to be shabas or at the very least what are you doing if you don't make an early shabas you would M the mitzvah of Shabas the ter is a shabas that happens by itself and if there's a jabas that happens by itself that's where your mice for however this kah of the is really ara it's really a big time it's really a major it's really a major and that is because at the end of the day what you end up with over here is what you end up with over here is that at the end of the day you have a because that means Shabas really starts earlier. So people are accustomed to thinking that that a woman lights candles 18 minutes before. So now you have 18 minutes, right? You start 18 minutes before then you have your 18 minutes and then all of a sudden it's like it's not true. Man doesn't have 18 minutes. A man doesn't have 18 minutes. Ra in the cha said 18 minutes. I'm not sure where this comes from but said in the cha 18 minutes was clearly talking about a place where the minute was like candles 20 minutes before. So he said you have 18 minutes because you have 2 minutes of t for shabas. So the 18 minutes that's the minute notion that's not something you have to worry about that's where the 18 minutes comes from I think I don't know but to have a full 18 minutes you don't have 18 minutes of because says that happens by itself was 2 minutes so does a man have extra time yeah perhaps he has extra time how much time maybe 16 minutes but not 18 minutes I think 18 minutes is a is already a stretch either way we'll stop here but just a little bit of a of understanding the way ta shabas works understanding a little bit understanding specifically the and the will do a part Three.