Zevachim 89

We've all learned Chumash, maybe even thought we understood, but now, with his trademark depth and clarity and his signature up-tempo Daf Yomi style, Reb Sruly Bornstein uncovers the layers beneath the words, revealing a world of meaning, relevance, and beauty in every line. Where the derech halimud of the Beis Medrash meets pashut p'shat, discover the shiur that's redefining how people learn Chumash. Reb Sruly Bornstein's Chumash Shiur. Find it on the Lakewood Daf Yomi app or wherever this shiur is being heard. Today's daf is Vochin daf peh tes. And we will begin at the top of daf peh tes amud aleph, the 10th perek in maseches Vochin, perek kol ha'toder. A g'shmaka perek. Sof the Mishnah, kol ha'toder me'chavero kodem es chavero. A kohen in the Beis Hamikdash has two korbanos that [snorts] he has to bring. Which one should he bring first? Says the Mishnah, if one is toder, one was brought more commonly than the other, then that's the one that you should bring. This is a a principle that we'll often know you with toder v'she'eino toder, toder kodem. The makor is this Mishnah right here. It's tucked away in maseches Vochin. So, kol ha'toder me'chavero kodem es chavero. For example, ha'temidin kodmin l'musafin. Every day, there were two korbanos olah, korbanos tamid that were brought in the Beis Hamikdash. They were brought every single day. There were some days that korbanos musafin that were brought, Shabbos, Rosh Chodesh, Yom Tov. As a result, the korban tamid was toder to the musafin which were eino toder. Therefore, the korban tamid was always brought before the korban musaf. Musaf of Shabbos kodem was Rosh Chodesh. Shabbos, Rosh Chodesh, there were two musafin that were brought. There was the korban musaf of Shabbos and there was the korban musaf of Rosh Chodesh. The musaf of Shabbos was brought before the musaf of Rosh Chodesh again, because Shabbos was brought 52 times a year. Every single Shabbos a korban musaf was brought. Rosh Chodesh is only 12 times a year. As a result, Shabbos is toder toder v'she'eino toder, toder kodem. Musaf Rosh Chodesh kodem than musaf Rosh Hashanah. In the same vein, Rosh Chodesh and Rosh Hashanah. Rosh Hashanah always falls out on Rosh Chodesh, aleph Tishrei. So again, there were two musafin that was brought. The musaf of Rosh Chodesh was brought before Rosh Hashanah because Rosh Chodesh is more toder than Rosh Hashanah. Shinayim, what's the makor to all this? The pasuk says, "U'lvad olat haboker asher olat hatamid ta'asu es eileh." So when the pasuk is referring to the musafin, it says you should bring the musafin "milvad olat haboker" in addition to the korban tamid. We'll see in the Gemara exactly what the drasha is, but poshut, the pasuk seems to be saying that first you're supposed to bring the korban tamid and afterwards you're supposed to bring the korbanos musafin. Why would the tamid come before the musafin? Presumably because it's toder. Thus, from here we learn a universal principle, kol ha'toder me'chavero kodem es chavero. Says the Gemara, "Min alan?" How do you know that kol ha'toder me'chavero kodem es chavero? K'dei d'lo min alan k'dei d'lo min alan. The Mishnah gave a reason, "U'lvad olat haboker." I mean, it's not often the Mishnah gives a reason. Here the Mishnah gave a reason. So, why does the Gemara ask min alan? Says the Gemara, "K'dei d'lo kasha es d'musaf ha'temidin im ha'korban musaf." Maybe it's only the korban tamid that came before the korbanos musafin because the korban tamid wasn't just more toder than the korban musaf. The korban tamid was really tamid. That's why it's called tamid. It was every single day. So maybe something that's so tamid, it's so toder that it's brought every day, twice a day, a korban like that has a kedima. But if you have two korbanos that aren't brought that often, for example, the musafin of Rosh Chodesh and the korban musaf that was brought on Rosh Hashanah. So one was brought 12 times a year, one was brought once a year or twice a year. Some may have a taste over there, you should have the same halacha. Says the Gemara, "Musafin l'musafin min alan?" Amar Rebbi Elazar, "Amar kra, 'Eileh ta'asu layom shivas hayomim.'" The Mishnah gave a reason. The pasuk is describing the korbanos musafin that were brought on Pesach. And it says the first day Pesach, you brought the korban musaf. And then the pasuk says, "Ko eileh ta'asu layom shivas hayomim." "Eileh" like "ko eileh." So we learn from there that what's the ko eileh? Just like the korban tamid came before the korban musaf, so too in the musafin, there's a seder hakadima as well. But the Gemara says, "V'ha imi ba'alei d'gufah? If ko eileh is extra, then okay, learn a drasha from it and tell me it's a halacha in hilchos musafin that just like the tamid came before the musafin, so too the musaf that was more toder came before the musaf that was less toder. But this ko eileh, I need p'shut mikra. This ko eileh, I need to tell me that not only on the first day Pesach did you bring the korbanos that are mentioned in the Torah, but ko eileh ta'asu layom shivas hayomim, those same korbanos were brought for all seven days. In kein, but the Gemara says, "If that's all the Torah was coming to tell me, nisht eileh ta'asu layom." Let it say "eileh." What's ko eileh? Ko eileh is l'rabos another halacha to tell me that there's a seder hakadima within the musafin. But the Gemara says, "I don't know if that's true because e kasav eileh ta'asu layom shivas [snorts] hayomim, hava amina eileh l'shivas hayomim." Had it said "eileh ta'asu layom shivas hayomim," do you know what I would have thought? That the korbanos musaf that the Torah mentions regarding the first day of Pesach, really you didn't bring them all on the first day. "Eileh, all these korbanos ta'asu layom shivas hayomim." Bring them over the course of the seven days. So you have a seven-day period of time during which you can bring all these korbanos. But I wouldn't necessarily know that every day you're supposed to bring all of these korbanos. That's what I need ko eileh ta'asu layom shivas hayomim. The kaf tells me that all the korbanos were brought >> [clears throat] >> every single day. But the Gemara says, "Layom shivas hayomim, I know that anyways because it says 'k'eileh ta'asu layom.'" So even if it would have said "eileh," once the Torah says "ta'asu layom," I would anyways know that all the korbanos should be brought every day. So again, why do I need the kaf? The Gemara says, "I'll tell you because b'kafi eima, I still would have thought 'eileh layom aval shaar hayomim lo yedana.'" Maybe the way you would read the pasuk is is "eileh ta'asu layom." These korbanos that the Torah mentions you should bring the first day, "ta'asu layom," bring the first day. And then "shivas hayomim l'chem l'eish rei'ach nicho'ach l'Hashem." Then for seven days, I'm not sure what, "lo yedana," says the Gemara. But maybe something else. So maybe there'd be a comma between "layom" and "shivas hayomim." Again, as if to say not that all these korbanos should be brought every single day of Yom Tov, but rather these should be brought the first day and then the other days, the shivas hayomim, "lo yedana." I need some help, maybe from Torah she'b'al peh, but the bottom line is again, I wouldn't really know what the pasuk is referring to. So I need ko eileh ta'asu layom shivas hayomim. I need the kaf, I need the layom, I need everything to tell me that every single day of Pesach, all these korbanos were brought. Bottom line is, I don't have the kaf extra to teach me that just like the olat tamid was before the musafin, so too the musaf that's more toder is going to come before the musaf that's less toder. How then do I know, again, the original question, min alan? Min alan that musafin are kodmin l'musafin? I know that the tamid came before the musafin, that's from "u'lvad olat haboker asher olat hatamid ta'asu es eileh." But min alan, how do I know that something that's not as toder as the korban tamid, it too has a seder hakadima over something that's less toder? So the Gemara brings two makors. The first makor is "amar kra, 'Ta'asu.'" It says "eileh ta'asu layom shivas hayomim." You call it "asiya." So if all the asiyos should be similar, so just like the korban tamid comes before the musafin because it's more toder, so too as relates to all the korbanos that are brought, you always bring the one that's toder first. Abaye says "mikra it's from the same pasuk that the Mishnah brought." The Mishnah brought a pasuk from "u'lvad olat haboker asher olat hatamid." It's from that pasuk. Why? Because "im kein, if the pasuk is only referring to the korban tamid, layma kra 'u'lvad olat haboker v'sish ta'asu.'" We know the olat haboker was the korban tamid. "Asher olat hatamid l'amali." Why does the Torah have to mention "asher olat hatamid"? The main one is coming to teach me a halacha, the "achrei d'deber tikdam" to tell me that there's always a rule, the "klal gadol ba'Torah" is that kol ha'toder me'chavero kodem es chavero. You're right. Had the Torah only wanted to tell me that the korban tamid is kodem, it would have said "u'lvad olat haboker ta'asu es eileh." "U'lvad olat haboker asher olat hatamid." The Torah is giving a reason. You know what the reason that the korban tamid comes first? It's because it's the olat hatamid. Because it's tamid. Because it's temidius. Because it's toder. And something that's toder, consistency always prevails. So something that's more consistent is more chashuv. And as a result, "lo yishbat habechira." That's the halacha when it comes to a seder hakadima. Another Mishnah. Kol ha'kodash me'chavero kodem es chavero. Another principle. Again, a kohen is in the Beis Hamikdash, he's bringing korbanos. He has two korbanos in front of him. One korban is more kodash, it's more heilech than the other korban. Says the Mishnah, the one that's more kodash is the one that you're supposed to bring. So this is the second rule we had. The first rule was kol ha'toder me'chavero toder kodem es chavero. The second rule is kol ha'mekudash me'chavero kodem es chavero. What if one is toder and the other one is mekudash? So the Gemara is going to discuss that on the bottom of daf tzadik amud aleph. But for now, a second principle. Sof the Mishnah, dam chatas kodem u'dam olah. Just to explain, dam chatas comes before the dam olah. So the kohen has dam chatas tzinig in a k'li shoresh, d'rishita, kabala, halacha. He's ready to do the shrita. And he also has dam olah. It's also tzinig in a k'li shoresh. Which one should he do the shrita with first? He should do the shrita first with the chatas, "nischamem v'nitratza." Because chatas has a maila that it's mechaper as opposed to olah which is not mechaper. Now we know olah really is also mechaper. It's mechaper al chayei olam hazeh u'hirhurei aveira. If you take a look at Rashi, Rashi was clearly bothered by that. Rashi says "nischamem v'nitratza mechaper al chayei olam hazeh u'hirhurei aveira." Chatas is mechaper al chayei olam hazeh b'shogeg as opposed to olah which is more of a de'oraisa. Bottom line is, dam chatas comes before the dam olah. A var olah kodem l'eimurei chatas. Stating that if the kohen was b'mechuven mitzvas olah and he had the eivarin of the korban olah and the eimurin of the korban chatas, over there it's the reverse. Over there he would bring the olah before he would bring the chatas. And the reason is "mipnei shehu kalil l'ishim." The olah in haktara has a maila because it was kalil, it was completely burnt as opposed to the carbon which part of it was burnt but part of part of it was not hot give them a small the hottest comes before the ocean with nation with done with car noise the hottest is two miles over an ocean number one dollar car noise as opposed to the ocean which is additional schvicha my as opposed to ocean now for speaker we have time to speak out some rate on this that of course the carbon ocean also had a mix for of schvicha she Ryan Al but it's not the fullest by the carbon ocean with the toilet says the mix for of schvicha is by the carbon it doesn't say it by the carbon ocean and in this mission of talk the way you see it you said it's a lot of you said it's talk to way on this stuff but here's a second you said that's talk to way on this stuff and that is that something that's before us in the Torah has a mile over something that's only learned out from the and being that the mix of schvicha is before us by the hottest it's not before us by the ocean that's a cement that the hottest is more than the ocean ocean carbon ocean comes before the carbon the iron laws and before iron laws because the ocean was as opposed to the carbon and the iron laws and that was the that the brought by as you say so the laws and when he completed his he brought three carbon he brought a he brought an and he brought a lot of rate while he brought a carbon but there's also a lot of rate about the carbon that he brought it was very unique it was like the carbon that was only not the only so ordinarily carbon such as a when there were two exceptions to the rule the carbon was not and the iron laws was also not the so even though the and the iron laws are maybe a step up over your typical carbon but at the same time still carbon and that's why the carbon ocean came before the and the iron laws because the carbon ocean was carbon the and the iron laws came before an ordinary with nation and the only like we just said it's a step up it was only not the iron laws and as opposed to the that was not additionally the two of them had another mile the and the iron laws both came along with breads as opposed to the carbon didn't have any breads carbon comes before the even though they're both carbon carbon has a mile thus it's carbon with nation two to mountain dollar number one the carbon was additional the additional there was additional the additional with carbon carbon comes before carbon comes before additional it's carbon carbon can only be eaten by carbon it's one of the carbon as opposed to carbon as carbon can be eaten by anybody carbon comes before carbon comes before with nation the reason is because at the end of day was an animal and an animal is more than a bird so why the by carbon carbon ocean animal has a concept of carbon carbon ocean now the carbon itself is not the carbon ocean but a carbon is a and within the world of carbon within the species of carbon there is a carbon that is carbon carbon ocean which means both the and the will go on the such as a carbon and an and an ocean they have an they go on the as opposed to carbon says Rashi carbon where only the goes on the but the carbon was completely eaten but we all know the carbon was all the was put on the there's there was a carbon where the entire carbon was eaten nothing went on the that was the carbon but the carbon was completely that's the carbon that says that that's why the by the carbon the who brought added an so if somebody was over to say those say he'll bring the carbon but if he couldn't afford the carbon he'd bring and and why is he bringing an if the only has to bring a then why does the have to add an and says because the carbon had no that one and every carbon has to have a that one so that's why together with the carbon he brought so that there should be a that one so the served as the that was the that the carbon we spoke out once right with carbon that the carbon to be brought during the day and says so he got to work about to say to be done during the day why would it be that the had to be brought during the day that he thinks the reason is because says that the sometimes served a dual purpose it was an but also it came in the of the carbon and being that the carbon is it was done at night so you would have thought that maybe the could be done at night as well because the is serving as the component of the carbon had a dream and that's the the story of but the bottom line is the bottom line is that carbon had no that one so that's that carbon is going to come before carbon because carbon is a and within the world of carbon you find a concept of carbon carbon ocean which means the carbon are going to go on the carbon doesn't have carbon only has on the that's why carbon is before carbon why is it before does have carbon so Rashi says because the mission is going to say that carbon came before so this is a little logic once you know the carbon comes before carbon and you know carbon comes before so you know the carbon comes before as well if it's if it's coming before the nation because they have carbon doesn't have carbon came before the carbon the nation so they're both carbon but one is the other one is not carbon so the one that's comes first carbon carbon the carbon the carbon the carbon came before the carbon in terms of that carbon additionally if somebody was bringing carbon with so he would first be the carbon and then it be the carbon and all of this is going to be explained in greater detail in the but before we go further before we go further just one so the began with a lot of of carbon carbon carbon and it's learned out from the carbon the carbon was brought before the carbon how do you know the carbon was brought before the carbon brings a reason a carbon and all of that carbon carbon you should bring the in addition to the so you see first you brought the and only afterwards you brought the the carbon so how do you know the carbon was brought before the carbon it's learned out from the carbon and all of that carbon carbon that monster on the carbon the carbon carbon carbon carbon with the carbon carbon carbon how do you know that the first carbon that was brought in the carbon was the carbon carbon it's learned out the carbon says the carbon with the is coming to teach me that carbon the carbon always had to bring the first carbon that had to be brought carbon why do I need two carbons number one why do I need carbon carbon carbon carbon there's anyways that says that the first carbon that was ever brought was the carbon so I know the carbon was the first carbon that was brought and the reverse as well why do I need a to tell me that the first carbon that was brought was the carbon the most other carbon was always going to be the carbon and there's a rule carbon carbon so it's that the carbon is going to be the first carbon that was brought in other words carbon why do I need carbon and why do I also need carbon to tell me that the carbon was the first carbon that was brought says carbon why carbon one is coming to tell me that the of the carbon carbon of the carbon had to be the first one that was brought the other one is coming to tell me about the of the carbon carbon carbon our carbon is talking about the carbon carbon carbon carbon carbon what's carbon carbon the of the carbon is so says carbon this is coming to tell me regarding the carbon carbon that carbon that the brings in carbon that's talking about the that's the carbon in the carbon carbon carbon so says carbon there are two carbons that are really similar but they're not the same it's two separate one is talking about the the other one is talking about the one's the carbon carbon carbon carbon carbon regardless there's always going to be a that the carbon is going to be first and carbon discussion as you see it's a long discussion one of the carbon entertained was that maybe the reason the had to give me two carbons is for the rule that you find throughout the and that is carbon says you know why maybe the carbon tell me two carbons maybe the reason is because had it only said one you would think okay it's a nice thing carbon carbon but let's say you do the carbon first it's probably not the end of the world carbon carbon maybe that's the second carbon carbon carbon tell me that the but you can't say that's the carbon carbon carbon carbon that it wasn't so that's that even though there was a rule of of carbon carbon but at the same time the it's definitely not something that was I remember from brisk I don't remember the the problem, but I remember that was a from from the Brisk I don't remember the exact order, but the punchline of the order is that we know the mission says this is five bad things happened. The hoof girl here this sort of a post as a Torah the Hamid selling bear. So there were five bad things that happened on actually was that if there's a oil either that the first carbon that was brought always had to be the carbon and has a side that maybe it's twice as he has arrived from then why does the mission say that in it was the carbon it wasn't just the carbon that was bottle all the carbon were bottle because to the extent that you couldn't read the carbon so you didn't have a oil machine. And oil machine is my could bring any carbon. So why was it about you know what it should have said that all the carbon were bottle not just the carbon but either way a nice that you bottle that why was it only the carbon it should have been all the carbon just to digress for a moment so one of the five things that happened was it was bottle the it was bottle the carbon what was so terrible about the fact that the that the carbon was bottle so the rate. And one of them says that there's a measure that says that if a person slept in Jerusalem one of them will be out of the head or your time shall make a hater I'll avoid person wakes up in the morning in in Jerusalem and he had done an the night before the coin would bring the carbon and the carbon that the coin brought was on that that he had done during the night the time shall be I am a hater of the baker. It comes out when it was bottle the time you didn't lose this copper. This was a phenomenal copper that that the head for all the that they did talk about so here you have the oil was on all the other but the bottom line is is that the carbon oil was was bottle the carbon this was something that we lost in says that that's in the the says that as soon as the carbon was bottle at that point it was destined that the base was going to be so the base that carbon base was sort of. Etched in stone it became clear that that was going to happen when the carbon was bottle what have to do with the carbon being bottle he says because the carbon was the lifeline of as long as we had a carbon we had so the carbon that the got as a result of the carbon that was the against once it was bottle the time we didn't have the not the not being and now all the are looming now we have to be worried and that's the that says that even the bottle going the base of it. That the beer was because we didn't have the copper I'll be that that was the significance of the fact that it was that was the significance of the fact that it was bottle two weeks ago on I heard from that he was talking about the was two ago and so we know the are the three weeks between and called it's these three weeks but it begins with and it ends with. So you're saying the that the say that we don't know what was was when the base was a little bit less clear little ambiguous what's the role that the time is placed in base he says the say that it was it was at that point that the the potential for base came into the world the potential for base came into the world and the time was the. It didn't manifest itself until the in without should about was just a physical manifestation of something that had already been etched in the in the in the world of potential so the so to speak the potential for there to be a that is should the time is he said that's the of that of course happened the time is based on the that's the one. Where the says that it says that the were I'll take and say in shall let us know had the original is not been in the shall let us shall I'll take a what's that mean that had the not been destroyed could have never gone into exile because the potential for to go to go. To be there to be a base that happened that was should he said that's the what was the beer the beer was that the was given into the hands of and had we had the original is then the relationship that we would have with the what the just been as some abstract set of rules that we follow and that we study and that we learn and but it would have been in our hands it would have been part of us it would have been and that relationship that we would have had with the would. Not have allowed any or any to happen but once the were broken so we didn't have the in our hands so to speak it wasn't the state that separation that's what this above my pay grade but the bottom line is it's >> [laughter] >> says had the not been broken and when did that happen happen to it's with this the says what else happened on the time is the carbon was bottle and that's the the says. Given the bottle going the base of that also happened so the time is when the potential base comes down into the world doesn't actually play itself out until but there's one other very interesting thing and that is so in the and he brings from the that's the and I quote I'm referring to and so who to me the base and I know the rest of the story. That even today I just morning I brought a carbon to the says because we know says the money the money says it's not so hard to believe she you need a guitar for this too that the other are standing next to while he's bringing the carbon the also and then the that that he is. And from the skin of the carbon of the carbon that brings every day the he was a the says that's it that's what he gets to keep that's the part that didn't go on the and he know what he does with that skin he makes cloth and these are because and writes so the carbon which was bottle it was bottle in you. But in essence it's still even today even the money so you don't have to bring the carbon that means this copper of long and the he did at night he did in the morning I guess that's the significance it's something that maybe we could still tap into but the bottom line is he brings that the in his and some of his he does says the maybe you could say another we say the will see here is the place. Everybody tries to figure out the what is the role we spoke at a very nice this is the last place in the brings it that brings animals not the whole takes the of the he's them and that's the the the themselves are the that the what is the what is it so what do you ask the says the This remind me I can tell you another the it's a we're asking be the carbon that is bringing every single day that's the the either way on that note tomorrow so the said and then the mission gave it examples and then the mission gave it examples that's one of the carbon that is. With oil first he mentioned was that the comes before the but at the same time they come before the why is the before the because it that it's it's it's why does the oil will come before the because what comes has a because the school is how do you know all this he was he so the context over there. Was when the were inaugurated so there were that were brought and there was a that were brought there was an oil that was brought and the says and he says the second part was the in why do you have to say if it's simply to count I I know one plus one I mean that's pretty simple back of the envelope arithmetic so why do that I have to say that the second part should be the Yochai with the torch. Should they have to get them to go my sale? I would have thought that maybe the hottest comes before the oil. That the second one is the hottest. You parshani Yochai oil hottest Okay, maybe this is a rule that the oil comes always comes before the hottest. That it's always the parshani that's going to be the hottest. But also hottest that's the in the same parsha where the Torah talks about the first it's the two in mentions first and then the oil. So on the one hand it's the parshani that's the hottest. On the other hand for also echo hottest Okay, it's an how do you reckon it's all these two things? Hottest with nation It makes sense to say that the hottest comes before the oil because it's a very oil for as opposed to the comes before the hottest cuz there is a mile over so you see that hottest has a mile over oil. Oil has a mile over hottest. So in it makes sense to say based on the rule of this is the way. That the hottest is mile is in the fact that it's Christmas. What's the the dam? So when it comes to hottest has a mile. But oil clearly has a mile that it's going to come. So that's where it's going to have its mile. Now one thing is clear in the mission. That what they used to do is that the coin had a hottest and an oil. He would bring the hottest and then he bring the oil. Now the hottest was made up of how many four on the four corners. Only one was Okay, but only one was So only one was active. The Torah of the up to town with the week. The next three are technically showing So afraid to go more of my my come my soul the ticked off. Maybe the first of the carbon hottest should have a the but the other ones not. I'm a rabbinos. So rabbinos said that parsha where we're learning this was discussing the inauguration of the living. And I forgot about it which is really like a It was like an oil in the sense that that hottest wasn't coming to be It was just part of the procedure. But we have that we're not The hottest maybe the hottest hottest in the first period that even though oil was could be hottest oil wouldn't be possible cuz it's like an oil cuz it doesn't have the mile that a hottest usually has. So this hottest really wasn't a The same hottest is but this particular hottest wasn't In other words, this hottest even the first was like the other three of an ordinary hottest. And still the a common he ticked off and still you see it went first. So you see that all this of the hottest go first even the other three even the ones that are not physically being made You want to know why you don't do one hottest do the oil and then go back to the hottest? Cuz you're not going to stop in the middle. Hottest oil is So we said has a mile over and we said has a mile over What if the coin has two things? He has and hottest is the better oil. That's the better oil. Which one should he do first? Hottest oil nation hottest oil nation said comes before the oil. It sounds like it only comes before the oil. It sounds like it doesn't come before the But he says I'll bring you I'll bring you a riot just the opposite from the safer. The come before the It's only before the that it's called the It sounds like it doesn't come before In other words, the does come before the you can't be because if you're going to stop being the mission you're going to have conflicting from the safer. Thus you can't learn that anything from another dam the is So he have the lesser of the two. You have the lesser dam the dam oil. And you have the lesser the Which one comes first? Does the dam oil have a mile because it's because it's part of a carbon that has a color. Are you or maybe the has a mile because even though the is not it's but because comes from a carbon that's So the hottest dam dam hottest came before the dam oil. Dam hottest It sounds like only the dam hottest comes before the dam oil. But the hottest don't come before the oil. So you see dam oil comes before But I can be just the opposite from the safer. The safer said oil Only the which itself is called. But the dam oil only is maybe not. You can't bring any rights from the mission because if you're going to start going down this road and being the mission you're going to have conflicting between the and the safer and that's not from another What about the dam oil and the dam Which one comes first? So we know that the hottest comes before the oil. What about the oil before the Dam oil Do you say the dam oil is What's its mile because That's probably its The biggest oil has is its When it's the the oil of the oil it's a real mile cuz it itself is called. When it's the dam it's only because it's related to something that's called. It's the same but that's its The is called. So does the dam oil have the mile cuz it's from a carbon that was called. Oil is called. Oil dam hottest came before the dam The hottest [snorts] came before the oil. It sounds like the oil didn't come before the oil. Cuz if even the oil came before the oil shouldn't the mission have said a bigger Not only is the hottest before the oil hottest which is have a Christmas but even the oil is before the oil. So the mission says no it's not a but really the mission could have said dam oil is called. dam oil. But oil the safer but being that the safer we wanted to say oil oil hottest oil oil had it said that it's called oil oil like I would have thought it's only before the oil not before the oil. So the safer had to say hottest tell me the biggest that the the oil of the oil is even before the hottest. That's the biggest that the hottest which is is So we're we're talking about the hottest being You need to speak out the hottest. You want to say even the hottest is being So that's what we talk about it being we also mentioned the hottest. The mission hottest that's why we mentioned hottest. Bring you a different riot. Hottest oil. The mission said hottest oil. Now what does that mean? Hottest It sounds like only the hottest comes before the oil. It sounds like oil doesn't come before the oil. Cuz even the oil comes before the oil. Say oil before the oil and I'll know for sure the hottest comes before the oil. Because the hottest comes before the oil. So if the oil comes before the oil and I know the hottest comes before the oil. Then I would know the hottest comes before the oil. So why did the mission say that the hottest comes before the oil? Shouldn't have said the oil comes before the oil? What do you mean? We're being What was the What comes first? Dam oil or dam oil? So you see it must be dam oil comes first. And it's only the hottest that comes before the oil not the oil. But the mission says that that's really only true if when the mission says hottest is called referring to the dam. The truth is the mission was a little bit unclear. The mission didn't say when it said hottest is called we're talking about the dam. See by the hottest and the oil we mentioned dam hottest and dam oil and then we mentioned the oil and the hottest. Then we say hottest is called What's it going back on? Is it going back on dam or is it going back on So the mission says my love dam. Aren't we talking about dam? And if that's the case we have the deal that we just mentioned. It's only the hottest that's before the oil not the oil. But really it's talking about the It's not discussing dam. It's discussing the They cannot mean I'll prove that to you. The mission don't want anything. What should have it said if we were discussing the dam? It should have said he tennis. Should we be talking about the and I'm still into the regarding the dam again has nothing to do with this cuz this was a dam oil versus dam oil. That that says hottest is called is is discussing the It's not discussing dam. Thus you can't make any deal from that what would be the dam regarding dam oil and dam oil. Hottest is called the mission said. Why? Why was hottest before the oil? Because the hottest goes on the corners and it goes on the as opposed to oil. Maybe the oil should come first. She can kids for What's the unique characteristic that oil has throughout The oil always has a kids for there's a minimum dollar amount. It's a certain amount of shackles you have to pay in order to have a kosher oil. Oil hottest. Somebody gives it to you, you don't have to pay a lot of money for So maybe oil is more kosher cuz of the kids for. So the mission says I hear meaning you have to weigh the two sides. On the one hand hottest has corners She Ryan There's so much blood going on the The oil has to be worth at least a certain amount of money. Okay, clearly this one is the more oil. The oil comes before the oil. Why? Cuz the oil was and the oil and the oil were not I maybe the oil should be called Maybe it's more kosher. She can because they need bread. Right, they came with bread. The oil didn't come with bread. As the mission One is The other one has bread. You weigh the two sides. The one that's certainly is the one that has the mile. Oil came before the Why? Cuz the oil were only eaten for a day and a night. Whereas the oil was eaten for two days and a night. I think the oil should come before the oil. Oil I think the oil should come before the oil. The oil has a mile. You find the >> The fact that the to the animals were only eaten for one day and a night is a bigger mile over than the fact that the sometimes could be brought What about the which one is considered more holy? They're both holy to the one hand maybe the more because it has four types because it came with other animals. Who brought the animal? The animal and together with the animal which was a we brought a and a animal. So maybe that's the one that's more it comes with other animals. So what? It's not a but it's a animal. The comes first. That the comes before the animal. Why does the come before the animal? Because the mentioned all list of animals that the animals as opposed to the other animals. So what? So what? The animals right? The animals were only holy as opposed to the animals which had a that was holy. Additionally the animals is holy as opposed to the other animals. So what? So what? The fact that the animals has more animals that's more than the fact that the animals has a animal. So what? Why was the animal before the animal? Because the animals is only holy as opposed to the other animals. So what? So what? The animals I think the animals should be holy. So what? So what? I think the animals should be holy. So what? So what? It's possible. We know the animals are holy as opposed to the other animals. So what? So what? The 9th and the 11th will be holy. So what? So what? The animals in different places in the world would happen if the person said he was under the influence maybe as he's doing animals and he counted the 9th one as the 10th one and then he oops that was really the 9th one. So the 10th one he called the 9th one and the 11th one he called the 10th one. So he ended up having three 10ths. The 9th one which he called the 10th that's a holy animal. The 10th one which he called the 9th which was really the 10th is also a holy animal cuz that's really the 10th. And the 11th one which he called the 10th animal he also called the 10th that's also holy. So you can have a holy animal that the animals has somehow so what? So what? The animals I think the animals should be holy. So what? So what? The animals I think the animals should be holy. That's a nice animal but the animals is definitely going to be the one that's going to take precedence. The I think the last one I think the so we said the before the the comes from a holy animal and as a result by animals you find holy animals that the are under the holy animals as opposed to the other animals. And once you know it's before the animals you know it's before the the animals. So what? So what? I think the I think the be first cuz the always holy. There's two types of animals and animals. Is it the both holy animals? So what? So what? The animals means the animals is going to have a excel. So before we end so we mentioned over here the holy animals holy animals holy animals. So we'll just conclude with one with guarding holy animals holy animals holy animals. The truth is that this idea of holy animals holy animals is something that we're all familiar with cuz it's it's something that's very nice. Just a few examples. Number one when you holy animals holy animals holy animals. First you say holy animals holy animals. You say holy animals which is holy animals. You say holy animals holy animals which is is holy animals holy animals. If a person couldn't holy animals together with holy animals you could holy animals the entire day. Now it's the afternoon it's already holy animals so you can't holy animals before you holy animals. So what? So what? Because now I have a holy animals and holy animals. Holy animals holy animals is not holy animals. Holy animals holy animals holy animals. Another one that we do every single holy animals we may not be aware of that you make holy animals night you make two holy animals. You make holy animals and then you make holy animals. So you're making a holy animals you're making a holy animals. Now which holy animals do you think you should make first? You think the holy animals not just that when you make the holy animals the says you're you're bringing you're in the holy animals. Let's usher in a few seconds earlier doesn't that make sense? So why do you first make the holy animals? It's very simple cuz it's holy animals. One is a holy animals you make holy animals more than you make holy animals and as a result so some so what is holy animals what is holy animals and holy animals holy animals holy animals. That's the rule. The rule is holy animals holy animals. If you look at the question there's so much holy animals it's it's not holy. So there's so many different directions that you can go with this. So just to pick one and that is an interesting holy animals. And that is that there's different holy animals when on holy animals this is not in your holy animals. When on holy animals you make a holy animals on holy animals. So some people wake up right you go to the holy animals you make your holy animals and then you go to holy animals. There are people that right after holy animals they run outside and they they make the holy animals then and right right before holy animals. There's different holy animals and and both holy animals have holy animals. The the I the holy animals to do the holy animals before holy animals is actually brought down he brings it from the holy animals. The bottom line is is that they both have they both have holy animals. So what? So what? The holy animals if you want to look it up it's in holy animals base holy animals. He brings a holy animals from holy animals holy animals. So it's clearly not from the holy animals holy animals. So this was holy animals holy animals who asked the who asked the holy animals. He doesn't understand. You wake up in the morning on holy animals you have two holy animals. You have a holy animals to go and you have a holy animals to take holy animals. Holy animals holy animals. Holy animals you do every single day three times. Holy animals holy animals. Why don't we say holy animals holy animals holy animals? It's a I don't understand this holy animals. The holy animals brings this holy animals from the holy animals. How in the world could you do something like that? Now holy animals holy animals that the truth is that really the holy animals to the holy animals holy animals has a holy animals in the holy animals. It's a holy animals holy animals holy animals holy animals. Holy animals holy animals holy animals holy animals. A person will leave his house holding his holy animals. Holy animals holy animals. He's going to holy animals he's holding his holy animals. Holy animals holy animals. And then he holy animals. It sounds like he was holding his holy animals already from before holy animals. So you see already a holy animals that you can take the holy animals before holy animals despite the fact that holy animals and holy animals. But holy animals holy animals that that's holy animals holy animals. Cuz that was discussing a very special holy animals holy animals holy animals. And that holy animals continues and it says wherever they would go they'd be holy animals holy animals. They go to visit people they'd be they always held holy animals. So being that they always held the holy animals there is a holy animals there's a holy animals to always hold your holy animals. So obviously a person who's going to be holy animals that he should do it first thing in the morning cuz even though holy animals holy animals but you don't do it at the expense of a holy animals. So if you're not going to take the holy animals first thing in the morning you're being holy animals the holy animals holding your holy animals. So someone that's going to always have his holy animals first thing in the morning take your holy animals. But the holy animals people are not really holy animals today. So as a result you're going to take the holy animals you're going to pick up your holy animals put it right back into the holy animals case and then you're going to take it out again for holy animals. So holy animals you have a right to just go ahead it's very nice you want to be holy animals the reason why holy animals but there's a holy animals there's a holy animals. You're about to go holy animals. So holy animals holy animals. Why don't we say holy animals holy animals holy animals? The holy animals has an holy animals and at the end that he thinks the reason is because the holy animals holy animals holy animals but we just learned another holy animals. Holy animals holy animals holy animals. And the holy animals is going to discuss later what happens when holy animals comes in conflict with holy animals. So we'll bring that tomorrow. But holy animals holy animals to the holy animals and that is that holy animals is a holy animals first day for sure. Holy animals holy animals holy animals is the holy animals. So being that one is a holy animals and the other one is a holy animals so one is more holy than the other. And holy animals holy animals holy animals. So holy animals that's why we take holy animals it's you're right. The first holy animals holy animals you would say that holy animals come first. It's the second holy animals we take holy animals. But he asks holy animals and that is what about holy animals. Holy animals is holy animals. So at the very least maybe you should say holy animals be holy animals holy animals. Afterwards take the holy animals like this you'll be holy animals holy animals and holy animals. Then you can take holy animals before holy animals because one is holy animals holy animals holy animals. It's interesting holy animals. It's holy animals holy animals. And this is in holy animals holy animals holy animals. He has a discussion holy animals it's in the middle of a longer discussion but holy animals he brings this as well. The holy animals holy animals holy animals holy animals. He says many people they're holy animals it's a holy animals that they go right away in the holy and they they take the dollar minimum. Kimmy honey. To me it's to me. They hold it to the kind of he says my time on whom he had to give you my good of wrong. The simon conference noon days that's what comes out she and I near the sukkah that you should do it in the sukkah. I made a mistake. I said the schwa said that you should do it before that I mean the schwa didn't say that. The schwa said you should do it in the sukkah in this quarter of the schwa. So it says the emotion maybe they're relying on this schwa that the schwa says you should do it in the sukkah. So maybe they have a question. The question is that if it's going to be middle of davening you're going to have to go to the sukkah right? Vice we must take the try get into the the sukkah during the shots it's not so simple and you have to make sure you look right it's that's there's a mad rush to the sukkah. She says maybe for practical reasons it's maybe it's for that that you're that people they figured you want to be my kind of schwa you want to do it in the sukkah the most practical way to do it is before davening. But says the emotion it's very very nice but I will come with my love and full lashes the mission of the alpha crow with me my love the my love the schwa but I tell you don't must listen to the whole thing. He says it's all very nice it's a nice thing to do it in the sukkah but it's not a Gemara it's not a bavli it's not a yerushalmi. Told the mission told the mission of it's a lot of schwa or to me it's a lot of different schwas. So says the emotion to me weigh the two things that's the theme of today's stuff you have to weigh things right? You have cost benefit analysis. So on the one hand I have the question of this is told that that's a mission then again I want to do dollar minimum you know in a sukkah. So he says I would think that this is the one that that should be kind of but my schwa he says that that's partial that even though you find the Gemara it sounds like they brought the rule of them to the base of Knesset but he says this question that he says that was talking about the Jerusalem they had to see that they always had the rule of says for them it doesn't bother me it's partial that that's the way it's going to be but in your name he says he doesn't understand and it bothers him very very much meaning if you'd ask emotion when you're supposed to take dollar minimum you would have told you told the mission told the kind of emotion would have wanted you to do it after the shots before hollow that would be the appropriate time to do but first you have to do the because told the told the mission told the kind of It's interesting the more general context that he's discussing is is fierce timer. He discusses is it okay once it's night to eat before fierce timer? So during sphere are you allowed to sit down and eat something before sphere? Right you don't eat before but you can eat you don't eat before you light Hanukkah you don't eat before you make up dollar because there are and once there's a man I'm not supposed to eat because you have to do the like make a taste you're allowed to eat before fierce timer. So emotion said let's see somebody wants to wants to be my hider. So you're going to say that you know what maybe that there's a mission of sphere I want to count I'm not going to eat that's a good way by the way not to forget the yeah not to miss fierce timer. I might be eating before you count the school. But the bottom line is you know you text messages or what's that? >> [laughter] >> No I think that would work but by the way no supper for you until you eat so you're going to be fine until you count fierce timer. Bottom line is so says the emotion so maybe count fierce timer. This is not so partial you know why? Because if it's so partial to count fierce timer before you do the mission my says told the mission told the kind of just like my lover fierce timer fierce timer is not told so you would say told the mission told the kind of he brings that the schwa says that the reason we count fierce timer after davening and not before davening why do we count fierce timer after davening? So he brings that from the that was said that the reason we count fierce timer after davening is because the very often I used to do the mission of early so it was too early to count fierce timer. So you push it off another 15 minutes like this by the time it's time to count fierce timer at that point you're you're already you're already be ready to count. Says the emotion it's a miracle to me says I don't understand why we have to need this reason. I don't know why the quotes it says it's partial you want to know why you count why you do the mission of first because it's told and told the mission told the and if that's the case IT'S NOT SO PARTIAL that you should be able to go count fierce timer before you eat. So the mission of so why you allowed to eat? She says the reason partial because even though it's day right so and still you're allowed to eat before what's the reason? Because being that we do the mission of with a minion so you're relying on the the man of the mission of so you're allowed to eat before the mission of you do your own thing. It's such a small mission of but the mission of is only that you do. But something that you do with and the philosophy of the mission of in that context you don't have to worry you're not going to do the mission of you can eat you you don't have to be so that same reason you don't have to worry about fierce timer bottom line is the emotion says that you don't have to count fierce timer before you eat it's not even so partial you could count fierce timer because if you're going to count fierce timer before you're running into issues of told the mission told the kind of again we're just scratching the surface there's a lot of more layers in this particular schwa that we can get to maybe over the coming days.