Menachos 102

Today's is and we are 23 lines from the top of today's being and so we're in the middle of a as a matter of fact we're in the middle of aasha we're not in the middle of a sentence which means that we need to bring ourselves up to speed with a little bit of an introduction. So the primary topic of yesterday's daf was a major whether one can be pectish that's even when it's from the it's a little bit mashma that the only time one can be is if it's Actually, what the mission is saying is until they're meaning until they become there's still only but the Mishna said pretty clearly that this is true only if it's stating that that really you can be even if it's if that's the case why did the mission I got the we mentioned but really as it relates to the cloud that one can be the is you could be in all situations stating that what emerged from is that me is fired away on said that of a certain he would have been with there was a shah in one version he too was and in another version he actually supported and too was with albeit with the one caveat that when it comes to the then I agree the is you'd be able to be the but the bottom line is what emerged was a major Whether one can be or like what we need for today's believe it or not is only the fact that there's a sh whether or not one can be additionally that it was a sh what is whether holds like or whether holds like that. No, the only time you could be is in the that it's going to be why does this matter? It's because the Gmorra has another memor that said unrelated to what we're discussing. A mera that's a little problematic as we're going to see. And in the event that we assume that holds and he holds that the only time you could be is if it's there would be a way out of this situation. If however you're going to take the position that holds like that then we will have stopped our toe without any to have a so this sh of what is as it relates to the whether or not you can do will play itself out in terms of trying to make sense of another mera that said now in the very very end of yesterday's d we set up what that memor was and we pause right before the me before the kasha which the garra will be masha but ultimately is going to get involved in this [ __ ] is regarding the top of yesterday's now we have to over the second part of what it is we need as an introduction and that is what was this other memory of so it was two lines from the bottom of said I heard that in the event that had pig while he was bringing a carbon this right now will not be subject to Tomas. So we know that can become ri has a as we'll see throughout kazal that any that is not considered an in the context of meaning it can't become said that the is that the talks about being able to become says is very wordy. It's coming to teach me that the only time something's considered with regards to is in the event that it's however and is in such a situation it would not be to be and it's for that reason that in many situations where you have an in front of you and it was and nowad landed on it for sure it should be tummy it's not going to be for example Th these are all examples of and in all of these cases even when you have the in front of you you have aik being that it's will not be subject to I heard that based on this what would emerge is that if a had a pickled by a it would not be why because what's the with a carbon that is pickle, you have to burn it. If you have to burn it, it's can't give it to somebody. You have to burn it. If that's the case, it's not considered in the context of thus, by the way, what if it's a regular carbon? Then it's going to be different. And the short answer is of course not. If the of what heard that is because so why did he say I heard regarding that's one of the many things that will hopefully become a little bit more clear in the course of today's doc there's a as it relates to the but of course it goes without saying that it would be true for all examples of Even but the bottom line is this is what one other piece that we need to just remind ourselves before we start the and that is that in as much as holds that anything that's is not subject to there is one exception to the rule and that is said would be subject to and the reason is because were not born in a state where they're weren't born in a state where they weren't once something is even if later it becomes and now it's no longer but the fact that it was in a situation where it was that would be enough for it to now be subject to why is something that had a because of becomes when the but the and were regular that are to become like to become so and this is very important today's d it's the most important piece that we need from the whole introduction to understanding today's d holds that as much as it's true that something that's is not subject to be able to become tame if however it had There was one minute where this was able to become even if later events happen and things change at that point it's not going to matter. In fact, the said that even though said that is is because of the fact that the head of it was really only because happens to be the but that principle that spoke out that's a very very important principle and as we'll see even though could be it's not something that was proper as we saw at the very end of yesterday's da for those holding but it's something that will be very important in the world of in today's the bottom line is two introductions the first introduction was with regards to whether it's only like right in the beginning of the par the second one was because the only time something is subject to is if it's Piggle is with the exception of in the beginning of today's these two worlds these two at first glance despar I'll ask you aasha now this me this kasha again because the introduction was windy so we have to focus this kasha is a kasha on the so it's a smack on to that that is that true heard that I'll ask you from there's noer that is this is who has his big in the world of that if it was it will not be Tommy. So how does it relate to said it depends there's aer that's and there's aer that's not okay so what does this depend on in the event that the buser was lawn before the meaning there was never a done and the buser was then the will not be if however was done and then afterwards the bus was going to be what's the if he was his reco. So that means the buser had a shaser. If the boser had a shaser is by right even though he didn't need it by but we mentioned we'll see where he needs it. So is in that situation even though right now it's like pickles but it had a once it had a if however it was so was never mattered. If it was never mattered it never had a kosher. And by the way, think of this busi, right? The buser when it came into this world, it was part of an animal. That animal was a a balky. It was definitely not something that was subject to to because an animal bal in contrast to a human balai is not subject to. Then you went ahead and did it. Had it been kin that's next week's sug that would have been fine but it wasn't kulin it was kachim and as a result it needed a and you never did and now it became nicer so now even if you did a it's not going to help you so the bottom line is it never had a shasaka because it never had a shasaka it's going to be a problem if however you did a zer at that moment when you did the zika before it became nicer there was just there was a shasak at that point it was regular you were able to eat it kim Not only could consu become tummy, it could even be a rama, right? It's actually more vulnerable. There's a concept of it's more subject to than regular is. So at that point it had even though right now it's nicer now it's about no but that disruption that in as much as it's true that is not considered but if it had then it's going to be different continued in this and he said as relates to it doesn't matter it will never be what's the reason it's very positive because in the event that one had so was never So if there was never a so comes out and never had a shaser it's piggle is something that you need to burn and as a result oh there was no shas so it doesn't matter if it was kadashim if it was in all situations it's like it's regularly it's not subject to this is what we need what would be if it was regarding a in that situ situation. It's going to be what's the it's flat out not like what said himself said in this he spoke about he spoke about he spoke about and he said it's going to be it's not like now at first glance we were mafarish the first parts of the bless let's this part of the price before we see the terret and that is how could it be because it never had a shaser. So why would a ma be different? The terret is it's all in the why have the came into the world it came in as a stalk of wheat. It didn't come in as a a stick of the flesh of the animal. It came in as a stalk of wheat. this part of the price before we see the flesh of an animal is something that's not being that it's not it didn't have a until you in the case of you do in the case of we didn't do there's no shak however as it relates to a you're dealing with carbs you're dealing with carbs so when you had the wheat at that point there was now just to be clear when the came into the world as a stalk of wheat it actually didn't have a yet why not because can't become But as soon as you did the you went ahead and right the and you were oh now all of a sudden you have wheat now there's a but because of the that's why you would say this is that even though right now it's about right now you have to burn the pickle but the bottom line is you have in or ostensibly why because of the grace of himself and is that's what's going on in this that's between the difference between and clearly understands should be a situation where it shouldn't be but he was clearly between the and the kachum which is And for the very push the terrace again we were very because now it's going to walk right into the terrace. So knew in that but was talking about where there was talking about where there was no what's even a situation when there's no again we spoke this all out. It's talking about you when it was being that you were mocked when it was at that point it now is no longer in a situation where it can become because when something is at that point right it's not the subject for it to be able to so if you that's the situation we are that's the situation where it would be that piggle would not bear asks Aasha and this is now where the two parts of the suga are going to converge. So you're telling me that uh min of piggle where it became kadesh in a state of it never had a shaser and because it never had a a so it's for that reason and in that situation where the is that it wouldn't be I'm afraid I don't understand there was an the was or there's a we should still be able to view this and deem this as having a why because this person before he took the min and he put it into the he could have been right just the the visual somebody had that was he went ahead and he was mocked this [ __ ] okay so it didn't have when it was to be able to become because can't become once you it's so at this point right it's however before you go ahead and you put it into the you can go and you can be and if you're going to be at that point well now already it's going to be and if it's going to be so at that point it should now be considered to have a shaser. Why are you telling me that in the event it was it never had a kosher? It's true it physically never had a kosher. This is a little bit of a leap of faith to kasha which is part of the challenge of understanding today's. It's true it never had a shasa kosher but it could have would have should have had a shasakosha. There was always the option for you to go ahead and be paid and the garra in the kasha holds is going to fall off of this but the gmorra in the kasha holds that that in of itself that you could have been ped should be enough for us to be able to view it as if you were ped and if we you were ped it would be so let's view it as if you were pit consider it having a kosher and if that's the case it's now something that even if later it became big but should be it should still be subject to the laws of so the says like this that's good it's not that you can't be sharper then it's very good why said what he said and why he didn't feel that one second it had aer Why do you have a chance because of because no you couldn't be paid you can't be ped when it's but according to the holds that even when it's freaking why shouldn't be able to be paid it's these two lines where everything came together this a very elaborate long- winded introduction managed to get the two lines and by the way the two lines is going to flick in less than two lines but the bottom line is pun intended that what we have over here is the we have we have that doesn't where the terret says you have to say it's all based on big huge carve out in the world of his and that is when there's a it's different and you'll have to say that's the case of the and that's the case of what's the but the says I still have a problem the problem is and the fact that you could be should make it you weren't if you played it we'll have the conversation but if you weren't then why are we having this conversation and by the way you sure wen it you were methag. So it ended up getting to the point where it was it made it all the way to the point where it's right it climbed the corporate ladder. But the bottom line is is says the Gar the fact that you could have would have should have that's enough in and if that's the case says the how is that I think is still because I think even situation should be a situation of of because it was I don't think that makes any difference because over here there's a not the fact that it was in the state of there's a shas the fact that you could have been someone says a that's totally if you're going to tell me you can't be when it's so that's your way out then it's however you're going to tell me the hold you could be then in other words if you're going to tell me holds like but holds like then it's going to be that is why brought this we had two memories whether holds like doesn't hold like from other there's a that he must have held not like because if he holds like then we're going to have a steer between himself says I don't hear this whole this whole and this presumed terrors and making it to the two of yesterday's d and converging all these making this sugia eclipse over there this is all based on a kasha that was what that based on the fact that you could have been paid. This is a reason to view it as if you actually ped it. Now all of a sudden it's considered that it has says the no if you p it you p it but if you were a p it the fact you could have would have should have been ped that doesn't deem it to be considered the whole kasha is not a kasha you don't have to be mash it as a result you don't have to say a ter that's to what was in yesterday's male the two have nothing to do with each other now you're going to tell me like what was the hav of the garamar thought that's in and it of itself a reason to assume that it was I mean we went through a lot a lot of to get to this point and it was all based on that I think we all could have just been right it doesn't feel like this was the best cash in the world but the truth is as we're going to see now in the next 10 lines of the riv holds of such a rivals that the fact that you could have would have done something is enough for it to be considered as if it was done in the of regards to and it's really from that the knows the end of the and it's because of that the ask the in real time when we see these next 10 lines and we think we'll appreciate a little bit better where that maka was coming from says now you're telling that really you maybe is that you could be right. We don't want to make uh this in yesterday's right as no bearing here or there as it relates to the but the says not so positive because if you're going to tell me we know is Again, we're giving away all the punchlines before we see it inside. And if that's the case, you can't tell me. No, the was a good fact. The was coming from the fact that it knew. Now, what's the hold? about this that we're talking about is the you would think is in the category of the right and it's something that shouldn't be subject to it's no explaining that has that is and the reason is because the had a now where's explained. He said, it's not something he one time said. It's because you could always be and the fact that you could be and you could even be when it's under means again on this, but you could always be the and because you can always be that gives it a meaning if I'm now anymore and as a result it's but what do you see from here? You see the shimmin holds that in the world of his of it's true even if it's only a because I could be see holds that the ability to be is enough we just flicked away the whole convergence and the whole eclipse of the two. What do you mean? What do you mean it was predicated on this? This is this way. And if that's the case, the same should be true with regards to the says it's not is always it's not just that you could be it's actually ready to go. It has the whole uh rental prepared. He's he wakes up in the morning to be why because if you ever found a more handsome mitzvah of there's a mitzvah to be but when it comes to mitzvah of is there ever a mitzvah to be ped there's never a mitzvah to be ped and being that there's never a mitzvah to be paid. So it's for that reason over here it's going to be different. In other words, the is conceding that does hold and based on that the isasha that in of itself should be enough for it to be considered that it had a and if that's the case how could it doesn't and don't tell me that is talking about where it had a and this is where it didn't have a because if holds and that was siding yesterday's daff that you can be played then this also had a because of the fact that you could have been played it and don't tell me because and that's why he holds again it's probably 15 different things but this is the the says the is that holds when there's a mitzvah he doesn't when you only could be it's you don't have it. Now the bottom line is what's emerging from the right now is that there's no from whether he holds like and yes, right? You can learn it either way that said there's no hak. However, there's a very interesting caveat in the world of that we got thrown into that does emerge from this last discussion very very clearly very clearly and that is that any that's if however there was a such as that's the classic example there the is that it would be in the event that you have something that never really had a however you could have been but not only you could have been there was a mitzvah of that's enough for it to be considered a shas and if that's the case in rib shim's world again forget about the first uh half hour of today's let's just focus on this right now in terms of this idea is that even though it didn't physically have a kosha but if I could have invited it And there was a mitzvah to be that that would be enough for it to be considered to have a now all of a sudden it would be subject to become. Now let's just think creatively outside and segue innov it's it's that if you had something that's but you can do something to make it not pion something else and it's not only something you could do but it's something that there's a mitzvah to do the way the clarified the position of that probably would also be enough to say for whatever that is it's as if whatever that is actually took place and as a result it would be enough to deem it a we're talking about we're talking about a very specific thing you can do to make it be a we're saying if there's a mitzvah to do it but it's mabber that if it's true in world regarding pig it would be true with regards to other things as Well, I don't think anybody can argue with that either way. So, based on that very reasonable assumption, we now segue into the next part of the DA in one of the in today's in fact that we started the with so he said sometimes is sometimes it isn't. What it depend on? Why? Because if it was long then it means the boss never had a if it was long had a that's means rule then it's going to be in the event that the boss was the mitzvah before you did this there was a mitzvah to go ahead and do this and for sure if you wanted to do it you could have done it yet what does say If she is enough to make it that it's considered a why don't we say and if you did this would be then a shaser if it has a should be well I didn't do this I didn't do the opinion and you see now what said well there's a mitzvah there's a mitzvah to do this just like there's a mitzvah to do the opinion and you have to say you have to make an unbelievable that when Ah, you could have done this. No, there was no time in the day to do this. How's that even possible? It's way you did before. Right. By the way, one of the place said his in the but the bottom line is okay. And therefore it was never you were never able to do. So you're telling me that in the event that is then it would be right. So basically you're making a huge uh caveat, right? There's an asterisk. You have to look in the footnote and you have to see one second. The only time is true is if there was no time to go ahead and do it was time it would be enough to say but if that's the case why did say in the next breath I'll give you a situation where in the event that the was going to be what's the situation where did have to say should have talked about where it was you don't have to jump from shim can give me case weird. How so? Why? Because there's a mitzvah. You're right. That's really what meant. Maybe we didn't understand properly. Not before once you were able to do at that point similar. What about pickle in that price also spoke about pickle? What did say? He said is why? Because if it was pickle that means it never had if it never had it was never in the carbon that was pickle before you did this with mash's pickle. So the is assuming right now this is what was done with mash the is going to be from that but the now is assuming this was done pickle before this was done with mak's pickle. So right now there was a mitzvah to do a proper not been machev's pickle. Had you done a proper the bustle would have been mut. So at that point it was which should consider it to be a so what do you mean you never did? I know you never did, but you were in a miz when it comes to piggles and if you wanted you could have now says this whole if the pigle was biz and even though when it came to this you could have done a proper so the it's talking about you never even got to the point where it was you know why because you messed up already in the so if If you messed up writing the you're already missing but say you're telling me that the only time said it's going to be an issue is when is in the event that the pickle was but if the pickle was but if the pickle was bizar being that before was a man and it was mful that would be enough. So if that's the case in the right if you read the in its poetic symmetry so you realize was saying that there's times that is there time that it's not right long and there's times by where it's not that was the problem with but when the bryer goes ahead and gives me the symmetrical case of where by pigle it's What was the case and before the before went ahead and came up with a situation and he had to jump like why didn't he just stay in this topic of right after stick with what is it true that people it's not coming to that's Why? because he never had his even says I hear it's a definitely a very very good right and by the way here you can't out of this right when the cash right why you jumping so means but here it says means there's no way out of that so the says you're Right? The reason he said because in the case of what he wanted to say was that even if the pickle happened by right we know there's four that were done with the that parallel the that were done with and the parallels with the so I would have thought that just like that is it's never had So I would have thought is the same thing want you know it's still going to be that see right if's only objective was to give me an example of where it's at that you'll have piggle and there'll be he could have stuck to the topic dour he could have stayed within the world of and he could have said it's with there's no there is a based on me when it's a mitzvah but wanted to tell me that plus another he also wanted to tell me that you should know that as much as is similar to but not in this because in this it's not the versus the it's was there was no shakosha by kachum there was no shak however by the m there was a shasak he wanted very much to tell you that and that's why he deviated a little bit from the poetic symmetry he jumped away a little from the regard so that this is the way used to talk so that you can know this as as well. Either way, let's do a recap on this very very last part of the daf. The very last part of the daf focused on the fact that as much as it is that but if there was a at that point it's going to be there. Where did say that? He said that in the initial of the original said we saw that there was another many but there was another said that as it relates to the should not be what is the terret is the explained is being that if you want to be even after if you want to be you can be and being it's for that reason according to that in it of itself would be enough said is that so the shim holds the said no but where it's mitzvah then for sure yeah the if that's the case if holds that when there's a his whole doesn't apply and if he holds that dummy where it's a mitzvah is enough to make it a then we have to revisit who said that there's a case of noiser and a case of piggle both of which would not be considered because of the fact they didn't have a chassis was where it was l first glance being that it was never the wasn't m so it never had a if you're going to tell me is well should be that should be enough pickle the same thing you're telling me that if there was a mash pickle then it never had a shasak as a result it's not going to be considered one second if the mash's pickle happened the shas before you did this so was so then based on that that in of itself should be enough twoas and to answer both say two as it relates to the l why do we say really we should but we have to make a super duper right this majus of Sometimes you make an akinta, sometimes it's like a super aime. This is a super duper is talking about where you did the as a matter of fact when the says that there's a time where would be subject to is talking about where you didn't make that super duper in all other cases. You don't have to say it's what you physically did as long as it's not what you did the one second before that in of itself would be enough as relates to the every case of pigle why don't we say you didn't have to do this if the piggle was 100% right is talking about where the piggle was but the between the twoen is that the cashes the gto were very good cashes If then you should say as well only when there's a mitzvah there's a mitzvah in therefore we had to answer this and therefore we had to answer that we're getting into very nuanced to go ahead and answer these kash because we very very much like the kasha stating that always gets the final word in chash I said over this And I told I don't hear these was asking that and that's why could he hold and it's not all these cases and I heard that said I hope not I feel when that that you don't have to say. No, means you did this. You didn't do this. Okay. Additionally, when he went ahead and said that and we made an talking about it was talking about where the father's lift. Yes. That already not why not. So it's interesting the punchline the doesn't even say but says Rashi says it's because happens. So to say that I all I need to do is talk and there's a mitzvah to talk. Well then even if I didn't say it it's as if I said it. But as it relates to a so to say when it comes to that we'll do albeit when it's a mitzvah when it comes to even when it's a mitzvah we won't do it in the event that it's a stating that says I have a big problem with this problem I have a m and this is going to take us into another heart so why not so the background to this Next is the laws of as a matter of fact we're about to quote aishnaishna. So the very first so we know the basic rule of ma is that mil is only in the event that the kum that you have is what's known as kache. If it's kache there if it's not kache then it's it's not ma. So just because something is in the state of kach doesn't mean that it's subject to ma. Now can't have enough from Kachchin necessarily, but we're dealing specifically with regards to the unique par of that comes with and maybe and right so there's many different that pertain to the world of in order for to be subject to the laws of it has to be known as so the Mishna right at the beginning of not shockingly lays down the law of the land how you define when you know something is subject to and when it's not subject to says the gave the following rule he said any that had a at that point it's not subject to doesn't mean that there's an means the other way it means it's not subject to the so if this is something that had a there was a time where it was for the to eat so that's enough for it to become it's not subject to the laws of If however you have something that didn't have it is subject to what's examples of that in the event that it was or it was or it was these are all examples of things that had what's example of that never was right. It never became because you batched up already with the wasul or if the if it's but either way this is the Mishna. So the Mishna says that in the event that you have that had a so that means it became it's not going to be subject to the laws of if there was never it's going to be subject to the laws of how do you know what's what? So if it was and so that's considered that there was a so it's not subject to the laws of if you did it was so then never had a let's see What part of the mission do we need? We need that said these three examples are considered that it was a hence they're not subject to the laws of now doesn't the mean it means when we say that it was mish now what does lamesh means usually lamesh means it was literally l but rash over here says that lamesh means something different lamesh means that the entire carbon was l it was mish right same thing but Just uh it was m the whole carbon was long. The bus was long. They mur the was even this the punch line. The dam the dam was one means it was the entire carbon was mean. Even the damn Muslim now okay over here but you have a if he wanted to do this he could have done this and you see that what that it's not subject to meaning what's the point the point is we're saying that even if the dam was even then it's considered that it was just it was a if the dam was l that means you never did if you never did how did it have a shasana mean if l means The bos was l said it's partial why l is considered it's considered because when you did this the became but if you're going to tell me what does even the dawn if the d was l means never had a never did again what has to have the what did the eat the d the let the buser right that's what they were allowed to eat what makes the ba the so if l means the bus was l not the dam So you did a with the dam. You were mounted the bosser. It had a but if mish that means even the dam was lawn. Well if even the dam was lawn that means that means that the was never done. If this was never done, where's the shet? Must be must be even if the dam was but being that you got to the point where you could have done a cuz I did a good I did a good I did a good wasn't it wasn't I did everything good up until that point. All I need to do now is and that's why I view this as if it happened which gives which makes the but you see that we see even though it's a probably because it's a mitzvah but even though it's a ma that's the point that's enough to say that's like raashi raashi said the only time you would ever entertain such a of is because it's deeper. So you see even when it comes to the case that I've actually said it doesn't work for the same exact he said you don't say what do you mean I see from the we do say but says your whole is predicated on a grace that when it says means even the law right I think if anybody was learning right now you would never learn that way that's not what it means and by the way what the is going to say Valp is talking about where you did a proper and the lawn was on the boss and that's why it had a because you actually did a not cuz you could have would have should have done this weekend and there was a mitzvah in no that only works by it doesn't work by mash it's talking about you physically did so you would expect the gamar to say it's talking about we are only the law but being that when we said in the lab we didn't say we said we picked like So, we're also going to have a struggles a little bit to make sense of what these words even mean. But the punch line is is very obvious. It's talking about when we say that it was it doesn't mean that the was it means only that the bus was on. It means that it was say what do those words even mean? The way he explains it if the dam was lawn that means this carbon's possible not again if you didn't do as you didn't do as if you did the law if you did as now there's three different ways for the carbon to maybe v to become possible or the boss that's what we're focusing on did the boss become possible because it was because it was it was y so we're dealing with a carbon that could have become possible al any one of those three things but again that's just a roundabout way of saying that it the dam itself was not but the says you're telling me so what would be the if the was actually if it was so it would be considered that it was and the would be but the if that's the case I have another dictim if that's the case then does the words apply. If you're telling me that in this case the zika was never done and l means and the reason would be enough for it to be considered is because even well then I understand the lion of it was what is in the means it means there was something at some point in the past that I could have done that would have made it m if however I actually did this cuz not even when it's okay because it's a well that means that is not something that it had it's something that it has it's something that it still is being if it was a could a would have should have that's in the past tense if however it's something that I did so this had or has also has a problem. It's also it's also the bos is also but the says that of it's very subtle but that of is actually more mash it's actually more that it's talking about where whatever the we're considering is was only a but it actually never happened. There was never a time where it was physically mut. It was only a could a would a should have and is that would be enough. That's true if the problem is raashi holds that you don't say when it comes to and if that's the case we're a little bit back to where we were again wanted to say that even though it's true but that's the way he was with regards to regards to pigle with regards to the times where is not going to be you from that in the event that you have that's enough for it to be considered to say that right now it's going to be note that it's not going to be subject to the laws of now is it no it says it can mean that's but the isma it's more that it was which means it was the dam so you see a foolish say the sayashi raashi is going to say as false I stand by my terret the way to is based on what I said that even though I agree with what you said I think the not that way it sounds like you do say what's the terret the terret is all about the over there. Once the goes away, there's no way for it to come back. And over there, it's going to be one way here. How there's no way for it to come back. However, however, is about and the takes out almost every single word of the next four lines. Look at the takes us to the that four lines from the bottom. In other words, what I'm saying is is that there's a between where I said that you don't say and the said that you do say I said it with regards to the Mishna was talking with regards to regarding with regards to you don't say that's the is it is item is it subject to me or is it not subject is enough to say that it's not it's not subject to however when it comes to is it is not the says not everything is sometimes yes sometimes not you want to know if this is considered an is not considered that can't impact whether or not I'm going to view this as being or I'm not going to view this as being so I was learning in the Is it not between however you're talking about? Is it considered hem? Is it notem? That's a different over there. It's over there it's already going to be different. Now what's the so if you look at rash doesn't say if you look at doesn't say it's not clear from the what the is. As a matter of fact the gumar was very wordy. So it sounded like the Garra probably said first of all the Bach knocked out half of the Gar. No, once you read the B the Garra is not as wordy anymore. But even if you look more carefully at the wordiness was just that saying that when it comes to kadusha we say which makes the kadusha go away and once the kaduca goes away if it becomes tummy later there's no way for the kadusha to come back. Okay, that's very nice. There's no way for the to come back and with why when it was the actually went away. We said it wasn't Hashem. He never explained that. Right. The wordiness of Raashi was just explaining that why is it when ultimately there was an issue when there was no where was where it was we didn't say the recended as it relates to the all he said was so really says this is about yeah makes it not this is And the doesn't make it an it's not clear what the is but if you look in the maf the way they explain this it sounds like what the gumar is saying is is that if you want to know if something is of that level of kadusha where it's 100% the fact that there's an you can do a miser right now and by doing that misa that's going to make the kada have it that means on some level it's not koe means that there's no way for me to even get it. If I could do a nice and that's all of a sudden going to make it mine. that's note and as a result it's no longer going to be subject to the laws of as opposed to over here we're trying to determine is this or is this not right now it's not what are you going to tell me I could do is yeah when you do it'll be right now it's not the comes from an incredible that this thing has with and being that I could do a and make it not that is a a in that and as a result it's not going to be considered as opposed to when it comes to there it either is an or it's not an now we're willing to take a leap of faith but that's only when it's a when there's a mitzvah to do the when it comes to then already that is not something that we are going to be willing to do so the bottom line is we have two approaches we have two how to explain What seems to be a contradiction in ribb holds which explained it's based on the fact that said this it's based onto said the is holds that be it when it's a mitzvah. So why don't we say the same thing when it comes to even if it was but you could have done the he said in the event that you were pick up before you had you could have done and you could have taken yourself out of it and there were two mahal had to answer this one is to say I hear it's a very very good kasha and we have to mish in a very nuanced way be mash of each one the ters to is talking about the case is talking about they're good. I recognize them of them but I'm gonna tease it apart and I'm gonna make a and we're gonna be mash of it. The second mahalak was raashik was that made the only time you say made is by pion because it's a deeper however when it comes to then not now said that does not mean to say that does not hold at all of the of the from a subtle which is an oxymoron it's from a subtle dick but it's from a subtle dick from that when it comes to the laws of you do say what's the two separate things what's the didn't explain the but hopefully we were a virbe a little bit but the gar is not finished one last leg to the gar and this is from this if somebody brought an asham And then he was made aware of the fact that he really had not since and this next part of the gar is a little bit lighter. It's not saying much but it's a little bit lighter. So who brought analy if somebody had a suffic whether or not he had to bring a kas you bring an asham tali. The asham tali by the way works. So it's like a short-term interim band-aid but ultimately if the person ever found out that he really did the a wasn't going to help. So again if somebody does a a he has to bring a karmakas somebody has a suffic whether he did a bish so then you don't bring then you bring analy if he finds out at some point that he really did it so then you're going to go ahead and you're going to bring the karma. So we're talking about a person that's bringing analy good news he found out that he actually didn't sin. So there's a whole bunch of permutations that need to be if he was made aware before he did the so then says you could take the sheep put it back in your backyard and you could do whatever you want with it. Why Rashi says because this person was only that but he knew somehow he somehow put into his initial hectish that if I ever found out that I didn't do anything then this is a hectish and I'm out. So being that he found out actuallyish that he really never sinned. So therefore, you could put it together with everything is going to be okay. No way. This can't be. And when you say top, so you made it unequivocally even if you're going to find out you made it. Now stating that you're not so you can't just bring it. Now why not just bring it? So you can't just go ahead and bring the carbon ash. So what do you do? It is hackish because you asham. So what do you do when you have an ashum that is ash but you can't bring it. So you give it to the past that's the shepherd and uh he leaves it in the field waits until it develops a blemish and then he sells it and he takes the money and he uses it. What kind of that's what you do. the third. He said, he said, "No, bring it. You want to bring it because you never know, right?" Rebel said, "Let's be honest. This is the only aid. This suffic is the only this what you're holding. You did another and it's for that reason you bring something else." Now, what do you mean? It's not just a you only can bring it says who holds that is and being dead or at least asham is I'm sorry everyone holds that asham can be broke and if can be broke in a so that's why this is going to be okay so bottom line is three what is in the event that he found out that he really didn't have to bring an asham if he found that after the that's when he found that he really didn't do the a so then is right you did the already so you can't just take the thing and put it back in your uh yard or give it over to the shepherd what's shepherd going to do with the right it's already it's very different you take the blood and you pour it down the drain right you put it into the where they used to put all the ander is going to be burnt. Meaning there's nothing you can do with this. It's mcdashim now. And as a result, you have to treat it like you have to treat it like now let's just understand this a little bit. According to it's wise mayor holds that the whole hectish was only done. Now once you do the it's too late. So now you have to treat it like says that's the way Rashi touches the it's that was treated like hence and that's how you would have to go ahead and deal with it according to according to the is that you 100% but at the same time is not a so what would you do if you found out what you would do is you would hear that was already after the so essentially you have an because again he was and you weren't yet into so really you have an is that not because of but because of that what about according to rebar said that if you found that before the so what's the issue over here why it sounds like everybody holds this in the first with threeas. He is one cheita. It sounds like everyone's getting along when it comes to this. So if you take a look at the mukbita says I'm not sure could be it's true only but again this is way beyond the scope of what we need right now. Next case, what would be in the event that the zer actually took place at that point? you'd be allowed to eat the say if again the person brought the they did the they even did the now they found out before the right this is a carbon it's only so before the ate the basa they found out that really the person never sinned but once you did the at that point everything is going to be off okay what we need is the next line even if He didn't do this, but the dam was in the dam was in a where it was made with that's the punch line. You can go and do this the and you're going to be allowed to eat the he said not only if you did this even if the is only in the that's enough for it to be is the punch line said he said where's the involved but the bottom is right. We never say that's said. He never said what do you mean? But the bottom line is said that was a tricky uh little con there. But what do you see from here? You see from here that there's an Indian of it's a me who's it a cash on a what's the cash said that I'm not spoiled from the whole steering cuz I hold because all it is is a but it doesn't hold why because that's already a what do you mean you seem foolish said with regards to that even if you didn't physically do this when it was once it was in because of the fact that you were able to do this. So you see clearly you say here too everybody much everybody much to understand it's not an easy gumar to understand again the simple of the is not hard if we made it to this point this shouldn't be too difficult but the of the gar is hard to understand cuz didashi say unequivocally that you don't say no that was the whole twothirds of said sometimes yes sometimes not which is anal is not you don't say then he said you do say so is asking aash that you see and by the way that's fine but raashi can tell you yeah with regards to ding whether the took place so that we'll say that the boser became already to the because the episode was already so that with regards to of you're going to be allowed to eat it. I agree. Just like I told the it's not going to be subject to the law of anymore. I was talking about is this a whole different you don't say so it's that holds that this right here as it relates to the two is a said regarding now it's regarding now we said that the rash and all our never really what the was between and so if we don't know what the was between and it's very hard to know and I'll explain 100% with clarity and high definition why this would fall more under the category of less under the category of but again just a little bit hold that this would be a bigot to the as item and ma as a result of that the garra asks aasha but the garra say is a very simple terrorist thankfully is that really the reason said it's not the real reason. Okay, that's good. No, that's not the real reason. They said over the name of the right is also says such a where it's not right. So if you have that's not 100% possible this time 100% it's but a situation like this where you have that was in situation there the is that the madesh and he holds it's because of the dam has this like that's why I could do this and that's why the boss would be able to be eaten it's possible it's possible but once you did a proper it's has nothing to do with being that what just emerge was based on is that then what should emerge is that if right so should bear of dummy as well. Well, if that's the case, why if it had a right sometimes that was the original price of today's where we see that that was the next right it's both of these things why Why don't we say it should be and if it's shouldn't be it shouldn't be an issue. Now let's hit the pause button for one second. Who asked this kasha is the one that asked this kasha said that if holds in the he should also hold doesashi hold the no way no way that's the whole so what's going on raashi how couldashi be asking such aasha raashi is the one who doesn't hold this you know asks This rashi rashi often rashi moo is very much with this so you have to say was asking not he holds that you don't say when it comes to only not so if you don't say by the either but again simple understanding that holds that you do say even when it comes to tum even when it comes to so you should say and if you're going to say so why is it thater in the first of and the second price of rib are both subject to it's and if it's and if it's and here's the punch line is not a is not to you have to be You have to be a even with regards to not me. I don't hold that way. But you hold that way. Well, if that's the case, if that's the case, oh, why? Because it was a Who cares? But say now it's offer it's and if that's the case it shouldn't be subject to because of the fact that it's offer so the Gmorra says and that's not a the reason that's not aasha is is because there's a concept of can take something that even though can't become all of a sudden it can make it over here we So that we say even though it's not but gives it right where we have it we had it with regards to we had it with regards to even though these are things that really should not be subject to button. So to your right this and this based on shouldn't really be but then in itself is going to be okay is not here but asks a whole bombash not for now but just speak out if there's something called then why doesn't that undermine the whole of the can't become and it's clear that with regards to as well right I mean all these cases are cases if you're going to tell me so says that even though it's it should still be subject to that between a situation where this is not because it's physically not or it's not because it's not well The simple case it's physically not makes it even where you want to say physically right now I see offer even if it was real offer it wouldn't be a problem. So the fact that I see it as offer that's of but where the issue that I have is that it's that's an issue can't take care of the issue but the bottom line is one last I understand would be would be enough to allow this thing to become meaning you I'm asking you aasha what's my kasha The cash is right that if you say what's the raashi and he says I understand can make something possible but it can make it to the point where it create and shen held that it sounds a little bit like tom means it's tommy tommy tom it makes a reish it makes a sheni If you're telling me that the only reason this to in the case of is because so essentially what you're telling me is that is enough to make something to even diluted and make I have a problem with if that's the case should be that didn't have oil in it so it was dry. So Ra turned to Raashi. He said posed this existential question. He wasn't enough to make from because he telling me the whole is based on because otherwise and it's in all situations that it's going to be even with regards to so we should be right. So it's a little bit of a problem. It could be that this whole over here of that it would be true even for it could be that's only there's no could be it was only that meant this but was and that's why he had his the bottom line is we're going to stop here today's was not the easiest den just like yesterday's daf was not the easiest den really what happened in today's daf I mean if you do the sikum is not ger What happened in today's was that we have this grace who holds that anything that's cannot become unless it had a shas stating that himself gave us this great caveat that doesn't mean that it physically had a shasakosha. There's a mus that if I could have done something that would have put it in a state where it had a shasaka that would be enough. Where did he say? He said it by that's where he said it. He said even though it's based on his formulation it shouldn't because isap and really the big of the is how far do we stretch this specifically? Do we say just like we say or do we not say and by the way if you're going to say maybe you'd also say is that was a huge that's really what's going on for the majority of the latter we already recap the first part of that's what's going on for the majority of the latter part of the d on the one hand there was this idea amongst if you say you should say which posed an issue with the price of who saw It's not going to be those are all situations where they were unless you're gonna make super duper said no said you say you don't say and by the way you also wouldn't say is the one who suggested it that's but the bottom line is you say it by pion you don't say it by what's the pion is anda are the clarified that's a mus of even knows it. He knows it from the Mishna in by the way we have a who said that he said for sure there's such an idea there's no question in the world there's such an idea however as it relates to this is it is it not that's what's going on over here but I just want to end with one very interesting postcript to today's do there's a raid bite that's going to stay on the table obviously it would be socially inappropriate to speak out raid right now but a a postcript to today's daf which I really think is fascinating it's the rest of the story you know we mentioned earlier that holds in that we spoke out of at the end of the we did this strategically we spoke out of that says that if works to go away from how come it doesn't work for how come is not enough to the whole it's not subject to said works when it's not doesn't work when it's not where's that and where's this you know where it is it's the famous as a matter of fact you go back and you learn so the It's mamishar suga. So if this suga sounded a little bit familiar, that's where it would have sounded familiar from. And that toy is a very famous typhus because it's a a toy that has one and a half lines of gar and the rest of it, right? The rest of it is just one big massive tfus. And legend has its brings it that this tus was written by the Bali typhus the last night of their lives. They were incarcerated and they were being prosecuted just for being Jews and for practicing Judaism and they literally were in a in a basis. They had nothing and with the blood in their body they sat and they wrote on a perish on a sug. It's the sugia of the paradum. It's a of and how forboding is this? It was a and that's really the rest of the story. That we just quoted is that when we learned we spoke out raid at the last uh stand or whatever the name of the raid bite was of the Bali to but the sugi that we were learn right now and clearly this is not the easiest sug. And that you can see is not the easiest places in but at the same time this is what the Bali were haring during those final moments of their life of but just like the of the which was a that brought into the of the of the you can imagine what kind of ty what what kind of kapor it brought into the world and it was a strafe of the g but it was the oius of that Almost a thousand years later, we're still haring on this toy. Either way, a very hard daff a d you have to for a d that you have to be for. But a fascinating postcript rest of the story to the daf. We already attached that raid bite to d. So that's the raid for today's daf. But either way, really merging that raid bite and today's daf. Now we know the rest of the