Menachos 20

Today's daf is menachos daf chof, and we are two lines from the bottom of daf yud tes amud bais. So, the Mishnah on daf yud tes amud alef discussed different avoidos that were ancillary to the korban mincha and mentioned that although they're discussed in the Torah sometimes in great detail, but at the same time they're not me'akev. Mishnah said lo yotza, lo balal, lo potas, lo malach, lo henef, lo higish, lo mashcha, the halacha is kasher. Then the Gemara digressed and discussed different rules in terms of knowing when the Torah says something by a mincha, it's me'akev when it's not me'akev. Specifically, the Gemara brought Rav's memra that anytime the Torah was shina hakasuv l'akev by a korban mincha, even if one is by katzishor, one is by katzidair, still the halacha is it's going to be me'akev. What seems to be implied from what Rav said is that the only time something is me'akev, or at least that's what the Gemara thinks right now, is if it was shina hakasuv l'akev. But if the Torah mentions the halacha by the korban mincha and the Torah didn't chazar it, then that means it's the flip side of the same coin. Meaning, if the Torah chazar it, it's me'akev. If the Torah did not repeat it a second time, that means it's not me'akev. And on that note, the Gemara asks a kasha. Maskiflo Rav Huna, Rav Huna asked the kasha, harei melach, the mitzvah of melicha which is mentioned in the Torah, the laytav d'vekra which the Torah mentions once and not twice, uma'akev bei. And we know it's me'akev. How do we know? The Torah mentions it twice. Bris melach olam. It says with regards to the korban mincha that before it was put on the mizbei'ach, it had to be salted. What's known as the mitzvah of melicha. And the Torah says olam. And what do we learn from those words? Pretty dramatic. She'tehei bris amura b'melach. Devar Rav Yehuda. Rav Yehuda says it's coming to teach me that there's a cheimer of bricks. Bricks is like a schmoo with regards to the salt. Meaning it has to be on the mincha. It's not preferable. It's not it's not a market. But I don't know from somewhere else. The same as you have to look upon the Kohanim. Just like it's not possible to bring a carbon without a meaning any of that requires coin coin is coffee. You have to look upon so too you can't bring a carbon without milk. What's the bottom line? You see from both of you who do and both of them were of the opinion that the mix of is not the question is that if Rob said that the rule of thumb as it relates to the carbon mincha is that if the Torah says it twice it's not the Torah says it once it's not something that the Torah only mentioned once. So if the Torah only mentioned it once why is it not on my review of said it's true and both of the opinion that it's not a market. But the kind of is clearly of the opinion that it's not I didn't know that because that's what the kind of mission said. The question so Rob is going to hold knowing that he's arguing with Rob and Rob I said is that really the mission meaning when the mission says it means you don't have to do at all he then when the mission says it should be allowed. Hello, that can't be because we know that it is not rather what is your meaning I don't know when the mission says it means you don't have to do at all. The mission also says we know we discussed it already in detail that was the first part of the mission that the mission had discussed that of course it is not a market. So what does it mean when the mission says it means it doesn't have to do it. But it means that a kind of doesn't have to do it. A lot of things allowed to do it. So maybe when it says it means the same thing. Like a kind of doesn't have to do it. But it means that a kind of doesn't have to do it. A lot of things allowed to do it. So maybe when it says it means the same thing. Like a kind of doesn't have to do it. But it means that a kind of doesn't have to do it. A lot of things allowed to do it. So maybe when it says it means the same thing. Like a kind of doesn't have to do it. A lot of things allowed to do it. So maybe when it says it means the same thing. Like a kind of doesn't have to do it. A lot of things allowed to do it. So maybe when it says it means the same thing. Like a kind of doesn't have to do it. A of things and Azor. But, how do you have a right to suggest that the time of our mission argues with the Rubenstein? Maybe everybody holds Malachi is I the mission says Malachi kosher it means what it means by Yatzak. It means Kayan Azor Amale. But, the Gamorah says Azor Kayan Amale Yatzak could mean either cloud kosher or Kayan Azor. So, we say what it means is Azor. Kayan Azor. But, Malachi that's not really an option. Because the mission is coming to say Malachi Kayan Azor kosher, physically how is it possible for Azor to do Malachi? In order to do Malachi you would have to go to the Mizbayach and Azor is not allowed to go to the Mizbayach. So, the thing that Azor is not allowed to go to the Mizbayach about Karkach when the mission says Malachi it doesn't mean Malachi Kayan Azor that Azor is allowed to do it. Because Azor wasn't allowed to get close enough to the Mizbayach for him to practically be able to execute the Avida of the Malachi. Thus, when the mission says Malachi it must mean Malachi cloud kosher. So, that even though both hold Malachi is active, the time of the mission clearly holds Malachi is not active. Rav who said that the only time something is is if it's Shina Kaso in the parish of Mincha. Malachi that's Kaso Rav will hold is not like the time of our mission. You or you could say Anachinami. Rav said that if it's Shina Kaso active it's not if it's not Shina Kaso then it's not active. The Kasha is and maybe the time of our mission all hold that Malachi is active. I Shina Kaso says the Torah didn't mention the mission of Malachi twice by the carbon Mincha. But, even the Shivo Brisk the Torah did use the word Brisk. So, it's as if the Torah has bottom line is is Rav Serach that wherever the Torah mentioned something twice by the carbon mincha, it's ma'akis. The Torah didn't mention it twice. It means by definition, that's the Gemara's de'uk, right at the beginning of the Sugya, it's not ma'akis. The Gemara from melicha. Melicha is something that wasn't chazered over in the Torah and as a result it should not be ma'akis according to Rav. Stating that Rebbi Yehuda and Rebbi Shimon both hold it's not ma'akis. The Gemara says there's two two roots in either Rebbi Yehuda and Rebbi Shimon hold that melicha is ma'akis, but the Tanna of our Mishna holds melicha is not ma'akis and Rav is going to go like the Tanna of our Mishna. Alternatively, this premise that melicha is considered something that the Torah didn't chazer is not true because although the Torah didn't physically speak out the parsha of melicha twice, but at the same time the Torah mentions the word bris and the Gemara's loshon is keivan de taksiv ba'bris kamanda Tanna be kra da'ati. But the Gemara asks a very obvious question. It's obvious if you've literally learned Chumash Rashi or been madve sedra parshas Vayikra. This premise that the Gemara is making that the mitzvah of melicha is lo Tanna be kra, it's not something that the Torah mentions twice, is that true? V'lo Tanna be kra v'lo ksiv. But there's a pasuk that says v'chol korban minchasecha b'melach timlach. The Gemara only brings the beginning of the pasuk, but in order to understand today's daf, you're going to have to be very familiar with every detail of this pasuk. So, let's read the entire pasuk. It's Vayikra perek beis pasuk yud gimmel. The pasuk says v'chol korban minchasecha b'melach timlach. V'lo tasbish melach bris Elohecha me'al minchasecha. And then the Torah says again al kol korban chatas melach. This is one long run on pasuk. It's all one pasuk. V'chol korban minchasecha b'melach timlach. Your carbon mincha needs salt on it. V'lo tasbish melach bris Elohecha me'al minchasecha. Al lo tasbish say, make sure that you don't not put salt on your carbon mincha. And then sense it in all. How could carbon talk with mouth? The more kosher it is, how could you tell me that the mitzvah of melicha is lo shana akos of lav. If this pasuk itself it seems to say three times, says the Gemara, "How do we violate the tanya?" No, because the rule is that the only time you have a shana akos of lav akiv is if the pasuk is 100% extra. Meaning there's no halacha that's being learned from the fact that the Torah repeated this halacha, therefore we say it must be teaching me something. What's it teaching me? It's teaching me that it's not akiv. But the Gemara says that this pasuk, although at first glance it would seem to be very very wordy, but the truth is that it teaches me many many halachas, thus it's very very wordy. Our brings a braysa to give the tanya. And this braysa will be the topic of the majority of this morning's stuff. It's a technical braysa and an even more technical analysis of the braysa, but we do what we do. Says the Gemara, the braysa says as follows, "Ilu nemar korban bemela, had the Torah just mentioned the mitzvah of melicha with regards to a korban and not said specifically mincha shemeini, I would have thought I feel it's in the dam sh'neekru korban. I would have thought that if somebody puts koyem puts wood on the mizbeach or dam on the mizbeach, being that they are also called korban, maybe there should be a mitzvah of melicha. Tam lidai mincha. It has to be similar to a mincha. Am not mincha meyuchades acherim bon chayevim lo. Av kasha acherim bon chayevim lo. That the only time there's a mitzvah of melicha is if it's similar to the korban mincha. What's unique about the korban mincha? What's unique is that the mincha, listen to this, has something else that had to be put on the mizbeach while you were being makriv the mincha. So the mincha was made up of two parts, the koyemits and the levona. When you were being makriv the koyemits, you couldn't just put koyemits on the mizbeach. There had to be eitzim on the mizbeach. There was wood, a fire, and you put the koyemits on the fire, that's on the wood. But you couldn't just put it on the mizbeach. Something else had to go on the mizbeach. That's in contrast to the dam for example, that didn't need any atsim. It didn't need any fire. So, from the fact that the Torah says mincha, I know that atsim and dam are excluded from the mitzvah of melicha because it has to be dum you mincha. Had it just said carbon, I would have thought atsim and dam also cuz they're also called carbon, as we'll see later. But, the fact that the Torah mentioned the word mincha, so that now starts limiting the scope of who's shiyach to the mitzvah of melicha. It has to be a carbon, quote-unquote, that's similar to the mincha. What's unique about the mincha? The mincha has other things that are brought in chiyuv with it as opposed to atsim and dam that don't. Miyuchadash am atzeres af kol shamat. Maybe say it differently. Maybe say that a mincha is unique in the fact that it's matter. It's matter the shiyurei hamencha. So, maybe let's be marbeh anything that's matter. And ovi dam shamat. Maybe that means that we should be marbeh dam. Talmud loymar. It says me al mincha secha. It says the word mincha a second time to teach me vlo yimei al domecha. Again, the Gemara's going to discuss every line in this braisa in detail. Yachin temincha tukula tunamalach. The basic thing is it says I would think that if you put the mincha on the mizbeach, the entire mincha needs salt. Talmud loymar carbon. Carbon tunamalach vein mincha kula tunamalach. Only the part of the mincha that was actually carried on the mizbeach. That's the koymitz and the levona. But, only those parts needed it but the rest of it not. Vein le al koymitz vein le al levona. How do I know levona? Marbeh neil al levona kimbo yima b'kley achas. That's part of the mincha. It was in the same kley shiyurim as the mincha. And in neil al levona habova neiyatz. When this is a very important part of the braisa. How do you know to be marbeh levona that wasn't part of the mincha? Let's say somebody was minadev a carbon, a mincha that is only levona. Or the levona habova b'zichin. The levona that was part of the bizichin of levona that was matter to the lechem upon him. V'acht toyrus. Minchas koynim minchas koynim shiyach. V'minchas nisachim. Eemurei achas. V'eemurei asham. V'eemurei kodshei kodashim. V'eemurei kodshei kalim. V'eemurei oila. V'oilas oif mincha. And how do you know that all those things do need melach tamluy mal al kol korban with melach? Bottom line is is that the Gemara brought four drashas in this braysa. And the truth is, if you look at the pasuk, there's really four words that are extra in the pasuk. It's kinda hard to see it. Well, it says the word says the word melach a few times, but what this braysa is focusing on is the word korban and mincha. It says the word mincha twice and it says the word korban twice. The whole korban mincha, and then it says at the end may al mincha. So, that's mincha mincha. The whole korban and at the end al kol korban melach. If you look at the pasuk, it's very straightforward. It says the word mincha twice and it says the word korban twice. And from the word mincha mincha korban korban, we have four halachas. The first time the Torah says the word mincha teaches me lo yotzi etzim u'dam that there's no mincha on etzim u'dam. The second mincha is again tzim tzveiten motzei Yom Tov u'dam. The Gemara is going to have to explain this, obviously. The first time the Torah said the word korban is to tell me it's only the part of the mincha that was korban on the mizbeach. And the second korban is a is a ribui. To the contrary, it tells me that it's not limited, even though the Torah says the mitzvah of melicha as relates to a korban, but at the same time it's really not only related to the mincha, it's true for other types of korbanos as well. So, really the halacha what emerges from the braysa is that there's a mitzvah of melicha. The Torah mentioned it by the mincha, but it's not unique to the mincha. It's not only true for the korban mincha. There are other things that went on the mizbeach that need it, such as the ketores and the levona and the emurim and the and there's a whole list of things that the braysa mentioned. What's excluded? Number one, etzim. Number two, dam. And number three, even within the mincha itself, it's only the korban part of the mincha that had a mitzvah of melicha, but the non-korban part of the mincha did not have a Mitzvah Melicha. Now we're up to the analysis. Omar in the other words, neither the Rabbis of Salveino said at the end of the Bracha, the Bracha said that I would think that maybe only the Kometz has a Mitzvah Melicha. What about the Lavaino? Said the Bracha Salveino came with Kli Achad. No, the Lavaino is part of the Mincha. And then the Bracha continued. The Bracha said, how do I know Lavaino that's or the Shnei Lavaino or the or all the other things? And the Gemara said it's learned out from Kol Carbonos attached with Melicha. What's the Kasho? How do you reconcile the beginning of the Bracha and the end of the Bracha? Why? Cuz how did the Bracha start? The Bracha started, it says Mincha Lo Itziya Etzem V'Dam. Meaning, you would have thought that maybe Etzem V'Dam should be included. Kamashma Lon, it has to be similar to a Mincha. And man Mincha is Yotzei Achrin Bon Chayvolo. So too, only something that's Achrin Bon Chayvolo. So the Bracha starts off by saying that really everything should be included. We're just going to exclude Etzem V'Dam cuz they don't have Achrin Bon Chayvolo. Then at the end of the Bracha, we need a Pasuk to be Marbeh everything. So how do you start how do you wake up in the morning? Do you start up this Drasha by saying don't under The assumption is everything should be included Av U'Miut Etzem V'Dam. Or no, do you start off saying that nothing is included thus I need a Ribuy at the end of the Pasuk to be Marbeh everything else? It says the Gemara, Omar Mar, from the end of the Bracha we needed to be Marbeh even Lavaino. And certainly Lavaino Av U'Miut Etzem V'Dam and the other things etc. etc. etc. But I am referring to the Gemara at the beginning of the Bracha said Mincha Achrin Bon Chayvolo. It sounds like that Farkert, that anything that's similar to Mincha is M'Meila included. It's only Etzem V'Dam that are not similar. So the Gemara says Hachi K'Amar, really Drasha number one and Drasha number four complement each other. They really go in tandem. You can't have one without the other. This is the way you understand it. Eimo, you would have thought had the Torah only mentioned Mincha and would have said is a mitzvah mincha by the whole carbon mincha so what would you have thought? I would have thought carbon club mincha product club product mincha in that's why you need the end of the positive that says I'll call carbon in other words what we're saying is that it's true there's a Russia A and Russia B but really they work together with each other meaning this that the price assumes right in the beginning that everything similar to mincha should be included it's only because the price and knows already that it's going to bring this Russia at the end which says I'll call carbon if you didn't have and all you had was the beginning of the positive carbon mincha have a club club club club it's a club product club so it's because of our club carbon mincha now you can be married by everything and at the same time you also because what's what's unique about a mincha it has other things that so too the only time you can include anything is if it's you're right the first Russia in itself is not a Russia cuz to the contrary without a club carbon you would never be married by everything down with the mincha you would exclude everything other than a mincha cuz you would have a club product it's only because you have a club at the end you have a club product club that's how you know to be married by everything you might anything that's not similar to a mincha what's the Gamora's understanding what is similar to a mincha what's not similar to a mincha if you have things that are with the mincha that makes it similar to a mincha otherwise it's not going to be similar to a mincha says the Gamora I hear the what are these other things that came together with a mincha it's right I've called it based on that you were married by everything else that has it's essentially if you look at that list that the bryce was mar but the end what they have in common is they all had eight some with it the lavona that had eight some and the lavona above the head eight some and the said eight some and a more a more awesome a more awesome a more common a more they all have eight some right it works assuming similar to mincha has eight some but it was really when we say that a mincha is unique that it has other things that come with it Is it only eight some that came with the mincha? No mincha had something else that went on the with it what was that? The mincha itself is only it was only there was lavona with it also meaning It's not from the mincha That you need to have something else go on the and that that something else has to be eight some in theory it doesn't matter what that something else is it should be enough because my mincha itself you find that it's not just eight some that came along with the mincha lavona came along as well what's where are we going with this if that's the case maybe is also considered why are we telling me that eight some and both not similar to mincha because they have nothing that went together with it it's not true The head in other words this if the that on the with it is eight some didn't have eight some But if the could be anything and the truth is it makes sense it should be able to be anything because by the mincha you find Not just eight some lavona as well so lavona is anything so that should be considered something that has because it has talked to the and the very nice two lines right here the was together with the it's true the came together with certain but was it part of the no it was part of the I time how do I know that because the was the meat Meat and the Nisachim is still Mizbayach. Wine. So, doesn't it make sense, if you think about it, that the Nisachim should be the the glass of wine that comes together with the with the meat that is the Achilus Mizbayach? But, the one says Adaraba. Maybe the Yisoid of the Nisachim is Kapara of the Simcha. It's together with the dam. Cuz the dam was the Mechaper. And when you have dam, you're happy. And when you're happy, you drink wine. Says the Gemara, Elos Lavoyna. In other words, therefore, the Nisachim came together with the dam. The dam also has Achirin Bondem Chaverim. So, why is it going to be in this might? Elos, says the Gemara, Lavoyna Bot Im Ov B'Kli Echad. That Mincha has Achirin Bondem Chaverim. But, the relationship with the Dvar Machir that came together with the Mincha is different than the relationship between the dam and the Nisachim. Lavoyna that came together with the Mincha, that's it was literally in the same Kayli with that. With as opposed to Nisachim, which is Ein Bondem Kli Echad. And even Eitzim, which is not in the same Kayli as the Mincha, Aval Eitzim Ge'echa Demiskashir Mincha. Demiskashir Kulam Rabos. But, it was Machshir the Mincha cuz he couldn't physically be Machshir the Mincha without having the Eitzim first. So, it's not just a random thing that punk By the way, simultaneously together is Machshir. No, it's it's part and parcel of the Mincha. You can't be Machshir Koinus unless you have the Eitzim. So, it's in that same vein. It's in that as opposed to the dam and the Nisachim, which don't have that relationship. Either way, says the Gemara, that's why when we have this Klal U'Prat U'Klal, when we might Eitzim, when we might dam, Eitzim has nothing that came together with it. Cuz when you put Eitzim on the Mizbayach, you don't have to put anything with the Eitzim. And dam also has nothing with I dam has Nisachim. It's true, dam has Nisachim, but the relationship between the dam and the Nisachim is not the same as the relationship between the Koinus and the Lavoyna or the Koinus and the Eitzim. Freight the Gemara, Ve'eima Pravu Fursha Achirin Bondem Chaverim U'Materes. Af Koinus Achirin Bondem Chaverim U'Materes. U'May Iniu Lavoyna B'Zichim Dishayu Lecha. Freight the Gemara, How do you know how to Darshon the Klal U'Prat U'Klal? This is always a good catch, so when you're learning a Sugya cloud brought the cloud, but let's focus on this one right here. And that is you have a cloud brought the cloud cloud carbon brought cloud carbon if it's similar to what is similar to it has other things that are okay maybe let's refine the product a little bit better. How you going to find it? Maybe you're going to say that just like the Mincha has a and B is also a matter. Matter is a big deal when you learn the Sugya and Katchum. It's also a matter. So maybe what is something that has something else that's and it's matter. That's the one thing. The but so for example the Katchum and all these other things being that they're not matter anything maybe they're not similar says the Gemara. You know you know I know that's not the case because it's not the case. The fact that we needed a positive in my down. You remember it said the word Mincha in the Parsha twice. It said Mincha we were mighty eaten in the arm. And then it said Mincha again and we were mighty down. The Gemara is going to explain in a moment why we need to but for now we need a second to rush it to be if the only thing that we're being from the cloud brought the cloud is the then I don't need a second positive there's nothing else to be I will only matter by one thing. So what else do I need to be from the fact that I need a second meal it sounds like there's a at least a conversation of maybe having that even after the cloud brought the cloud it was a have a minute to have done. If the cloud brought the cloud was more inclusive so then maybe I need a positive even after the cloud brought the cloud as we'll see in a moment to be but if you're going to tell me that the cloud brought the cloud is very exclusive and really the only thing included in And the what do I need a possuk for that? Must be that in this case I don't need to be domeh to the pratt legamri, as long as I'm only a little bit similar to the pratt, that would be enough. And the truth is that this really segues into a very fundamental understanding of how cloud pratt to cloud works. And the tosfos is already mitzayan, he sends you to the Gemara Maseches Eruvin that the chof pratt that whenever you have a cloud pratt to cloud, do you have to be 100% similar to the pratt, or is enough if you domeh betzadi achas? Like how similar do you have to be with the pratt? That's essentially the shach of the Tur in the Gemara. The Gemara pratt so is mar by anything that's similar to mincha a little bit. Mincha has other things that are bo'im um chayevah. So we're going to be mar by anything that has dvarim that are bo'im um chayevah. What did the Machzo hold? Mincha has dvarim acherim dvarim chayevim but it's also a matter. So maybe it's not enough that you domeh betzadi achas, maybe you have to be domeh beshtei tzvadim, maybe you also have to be a a matter. So it's a it's a fundamental question. How similar to the pratt do you have to be in order to be considered kein a pratt to be included in the seravah from the cloud pratt to cloud? It's a sugiyah, it's a sugiyah Maseches Eruvin from all places. Tosfos sends you there immediately, but that's beyond the scope of what we do. Either way, so one last part of this pratt. Omar Mar Ami mincha secha veloi me'ao domecho. So we had the first mincha was motzi eitzim and dam. And then it said the word mincha again, and the fact that the Torah mentioned the word mincha again, that's motzi dam. Brings the Gemara, the eimo me'al mincha secha veloi me'al eivorecho. So what does it mean? Why do I need first of all the second possuk? If I have a cloud pratt to cloud that was already memaye dam, then why do I need a second possuk veloi mincha secha to be motzi dam? Right? That was the most obvious question right when you started learning the bratt. It says mincha mincha carbon carbon. The first mincha, that's the cloud pratt to cloud to tell me no eitzim and no dam. It says mincha again to tell me no dam. I was already memaye eitzim and dam. Why do I need a second possuk to be memaye eitzim and dam? The terutz is because how do I know no eitzim and dam? I know it from a cloud brought to cloud. Cloud brought to cloud says it has to be similar to the men club. What is similar to the men club meat and has a bottom of my life? And even though that whole list is only similar to the side of because the truth is men club has another unique characteristic. It's also a matter, but at the same time as long as you don't have a side of that's enough to get into the partial of the midst of Malik. The truth is there's a very obvious question. Let's say you have to be only diamond beside a club. Maybe the side of club is to be a matter. And maybe you shouldn't include that. Make a taste to be men my eight dam because it's not similar beside a club. Which side it doesn't have a bottom of my club because there's no eights in that went together with it. There was no the volume and then the second is not considered together like the tomorrow already discussed after five carrots. Maybe say that dam is diamond beside a club. Why is it diamond beside a club? Because it's a matter just like the men club is and maybe it should be included. The terrace says men club second. The second men club tells me not that. Again, I already have the cloud brought to cloud. Why do I have to be men my dam? The reason I need to be men my dam is because without the mirror of dam I would think the dam is included in the cloud brought to cloud. Because cloud brought to cloud is enough to be diamond beside a club. That's clearly the opinion of this price. And as long as you're enough beside a club, so all the things that the price was marble they were even though it was like it's actually is diamond beside a club. It has eights in that came with it just like the the men club. Dam is also diamond beside a club. It's a matter just like the men club. Right? So they're both diamond beside a club. And the second mirror to tell me the light dam. But the tomorrow's cash is where do you see in the second mirror the light dam? Maybe five carrots. Maybe the second mirror is not men my dam. Because it's only diamond beside a club and that it's a matter. Maybe it's men my everything else that was mentioned in the price because it's also only diamond beside a club because it has a bottom of my club. Meaning this we need the second mirror. But how do you know to apply the second mirror to them? Maybe apply the second year to them bottom of my makes sense that just like it should be as well. She came because it has a lot of similarities to the that's what we've been discussing they went on the fire just like the one in fire. Where were they brought that's what the was brought. As opposed to the dam this is all in contrast to the dam which sometimes was brought in the nicer to make a somebody eats nicer pasta nicer of a is even though there is a nicer dam is there's a by dam but if somebody eats the dam is not correct for it to make a somebody's to make and he eats the minx eats the he's going to be someone's to make and he eats dam he's not going to be higher of course and to make a so. And there's a as well so there's so many similarities between the and so makes sense like the has a and the dam has a the dam has a dam dam maybe be my cuz dam also has similarities what are the similarities to much shorter list to make a matter to make a matter and if I come the nicer doesn't have to wait until the next day or two days the so she gets a already or the nicer is already by the says I hear but this is a big list this is a small list out of confusion this more similarities between the and the and the dam. Thus if you have a real year in a and you're not sure what to be what to be we're going to be the that it's going to have a just like just like the we're going to be dam that's not going to have a to make a my to me any of the eight to make a carbon the price of said that from the the will be eight and dam and the price is washing was you would have thought that eight and dam being that they called carbon and the criteria for the is carbon and I'll call carbon her. you would have thought that being that it's equally carbon so the law is that there should be a myth for of Malia says the answer is carbon who's the time of that whole that is called carbon ready take the tomorrow the ready according to ready me by there's one time in chance we know that holds that it's him was called a carbon and ready sheet FYI is that it's him is by so here you have a price that says that it's him is called carbon and at the same time the price is being so what's going on with the only time we know that holds that it's called the carbon is ready ready holds it who's this ready the time when the price of carbon is not being the kind of a good life I'll call it a possible and the positive mentions carbon ready ready said not only is it carbon but it's a carbon okay the two in great the two in my rubber ready to commit but ready three eight because it's a carbon and a carbon always needs but the bottom line is ready over here again what's ready sheet ready sheet is that it's him is called a carbon but it's a carbon and being that it's a carbon so you have a price that had a hammer made to be married by because it's called a carbon so you would think it needs cloud product cloud problem because the whole the time we know that holds that it's him is in fact the carbon is ready and ready holds that it's him does need says the tomorrow you have to take out the word so the cloud product cloud is not being because it's him is the time of the price of must be ready rather what we're being is done faith in tomorrow the lemon if that's the case why do I need the second possible if I need it to be done me out in dollar >> If I need it to be my mind me out of don't I already know it from me out of the end of the day if all I'm being is one thing there's only one thing that's being excluded. There's only one thing that's being excluded. So why do I need a second possible to exclude it? If you want to go back into the light of everything we spoke of earlier to take a look at the way it says there must be something else because if there isn't a second thing being excluded I wouldn't need the second to be my mind. And if the second thing is it then what is the second thing says tell you what it is it which by the way if you think about it makes a lot of sense because it's like it also has nothing that came together with it. So nothing that came with it. So you're right because it needs but it's going to be it's really I don't know what the price is like I don't know a dumb fellow and I don't know what it is and I don't know what it is. So I mentioned over here which is what we had in our previous and by the way all these you have a component that says it doesn't need it's excluded from the same exact cloud product cloud. Thus you're right take out the word replace it with the word the word says who's the town of this last price that we just mentioned it ready if the time is ready gosh it says it's excluded one of the four things excluded we just said it holds it needs and you don't know if it's going according to the on gosh it is because the previous price of that long price mentioned as one of the things that were included from the cloud product cloud. So the says I can always the following and we're going to end with this the time is the following and we're going to end with this the time is the following and we're going to end with this the time is the following and we're going to end with this the time is the following and we're going to end with this the time is the following and we're going to end with this the time is the following and we're going to is the following and we're going to end with this the time is the following and we're going to end with this the time is the number two it's in the fire number three at called Yatsu excluded shame what's dumb is excluded is excluded because it didn't go on the fire and Yatsu say no Allah is there a inside exhale either way that concludes the first part of the discussion of which is the more technical part tomorrow we're going to continue on this theme of melach it's going to be the more the counterpart of the malicha but as the was not so easy and rather technical so we'll speak out as some light rate as it relates to malicha and then we'll go back to one from the previous days and that is that if you take a look at the so the discuss the chamish what exactly the idea of putting salt on the carbon is last year in parshas brings a mattress that when on the second day of creation took all the water in the world and he divided it there was the the came to with with a timer I don't know if it was a timer in the negative sense but they came and they thought they were very very disappointed they said that why are we the the they get to sit up in together with they're in the and we have to be all the way down here on the bottom and listened to the plea of the and told the that even though right now you're not close to me but me the me that you want this you're going to be one day to be close to me you'll be a carbon which is carbon and there's going to be two times two applications over the mayim are going to go on the mizbeach as a carbon to Hakadosh Baruch Hu. One on Sukkot with the nisuch hamayim and number two with every single carbon, with some exceptions, but with every single carbon the salt which comes from the ocean is going to have to go on the carbon. So, says Rashi, it's a midrash that the idea of putting melach on a carbon is really something that Hakadosh Baruch Hu gave the mayim tachatonim as a consolation prize for the fact that it was relegated to be the mayim tachatonim and wasn't zocheh to be the mayim elyonim. Ramban brings Rashi and he says it's very nice, but at the end of the day it's a midrash, it's not the pashut pshat. Says you want to know the pashut pshat? Says it's very simple, because we know Chazal say throughout kashrut that when you put something on the mizbeach you're feeding Hakadosh Baruch Hu, so to speak. It's achilas mizbeach. And says the Ramban, I quote, "V'yutachin mipnei she'einam derech kavod." If you're giving Hakadosh Baruch Hu a mincha right now, it's not kavod l'yisrach lanashim. Shem tofel b'li melach. Put a little salt. Who eats bread without salt? Nothing that I ever saw without salt. Right? So, you have to have a little bit. "K'tam akiveh on all the pechos se'achor." Says the Ramban, and by the way, now you'll understand why the Gemara was memaya two things. He says, "Al lo kach memaya eitzim v'hadam she'eintam melach." Take a look at Maseches Challah 4:11. You know why? Because eitzim doesn't go along with salt and blood doesn't go along with salt. So, everything that it doesn't go along with salt, then maila you don't have this idea of "akiveh on all the pechos se'achor" of this idea of "she'eintam derech kavod l'yisrach lanashim tofel B'LI MELACH." THAT'S A svara with bread. Ramban doesn't speak it out, but that's also a svara when it comes to the basar. But, as it relates to the two things that the Gemara is memaya, now you understand why eitzim and dam don't have it, because the whole idea of melach, the whole idea of melach is that it should taste good. Because kaviyachol on some level there's an achilas mizbeach, right? The Gemara said that "d'nisuchim ishtias mizbeach." It's in achila and b'ishtia. It's it's meat and wine. That's what's going on over here on a Hakadosh Baruch Hu digger level. "Mishulchan g'vohah k'sachor you find." The bottom line is is the ration is another god of the rambam says a partial but if you take a look at the sky and me by twice this. Say something beautiful which I think is very relevant. That's getting about says this fast. You want to know why there's an idea that a carbon has that matter and by the way the terror houses it literally again and again it's even a save a stash miller bristle me almond says it does get in the body twice a because miller salt is a double hammer sky and it's a preservative. That's what salt is and it's what he did it's coming to teach us carbon is bristol that a carbon is a preservative as well. Then when you get brings a carbon he gets a couple of them and when you get brings a carbon he gets a new lease on life. The that comes about from bringing a carbon is that the year and the world and you so now have a key on and that's symbolic in the salt which is a double hammer sky salt which is in it of itself a preservative. And then the the sky and digress a little bit and he explains why is it that if somebody brought a carbon all of a sudden he had this unbelievable what was the great benefit from having a carbon. So I think if you ask the man on the street he would tell you what do you mean I have to come out now. Now that I bought a carbon I got now I had enough air out of balance sheet with liabilities and with every carbon you clean it up a little bit. So okay that's that seems to be a a very good thing. It's true but that's not what the sky and says. He says as follows kiko show Adam when a person did an who carbon and brought a carbon who miss Adam and he got carbon. And is the punchline video so nothing and he walked out with the base of dodge with this idea and understanding knowing that he doesn't have this anymore. That his carbon his true was accepted who accurate came in laughter and he that person is now going to be careful before he goes ahead and he doesn't have air again. I don't like to happen but if he didn't know if he didn't get carbon with the human psychology is is the ones who an avera, you feel dirty, you feel disgusting. You just continue doing averas. And he says the somebody has dirty clothing and he doesn't care if he spills a little coffee on his dirty shirt. It's anyways dirty. But if somebody is dressed well and he's looking handsome, so then he doesn't want to get dirty. You got a new car. The first 3,000 miles, yeah, you watch it. You're fearful. If it's raining, you know, you don't want to step with your wet shoes. Then, you know, once you hit a certain milestone, it's fine. That's where you breakfast, lunch, and supper. The point is there's an idea says that he says the number one reason that people do averas is that they feel dirty. In their minds, they're driving an old car. In their mind, they're wearing a dirty beged. And because they're wearing a dirty beged, so who cares? What am I watching? It's anyways dirty. But if you have a dirty beged, you feel dirty. If a person would be able to see himself not as a clean but to the contrary, he feels clean and he feels pristine, then he would be much more careful. The problem is very hard to do. But once upon a time there was a base on mikdash. And when you go to the base on mikdash, you would bring a korban. And he would hand it over to the kohen and the kohen would come back in and he would give him the report. And he would tell him that you got kapara. It was done well. There was no pigul, there was no me'ila, we did the we did the we did the mesukabrin. Everything went as planned 100%. This person walked out feeling like a million dollars. He walked out feeling good. But he walked out feeling like he was wearing a brand new suit. He drove home driving a brand new car. And because of that, he was more careful. So the so the said that CAME FROM KORBANOS. WHY? Not so much because of what the carbon did to the past, but it was more what the carbon was going to do towards the future. Knowing that I brought a carbon that I got kapara was the biggest hisuk in the world. And that was the bris, the dovra miskayim that came about, and somehow that's symbolic in the soul. What came to mind was a a beautiful vort that I once heard from the Dubna Maggid. It's a possuk in Koheles. It's Koheles perek aleph. The possuk says, "Smach bochur b'yaldo sachah v'tivcha libcha b'mei b'churoscha." Bochur, when you're young, have a great time. Drink and be merry. "Follow your heart ub'mareh einayim." And your eyes. "V'da." But there's one caveat. Just remember, "Ki al kol eileh y'vi'acha Elokim b'mishpat." One day you're going to have to stand in front of the kisei hakavod and you're going to have to give din v'cheshbon. It's giving you the blueprint for the bochehr yeshiva. He says, "Smach bochur b'yaldo sachah." Party away. However, you should just know that one day you're going to have to give din v'cheshbon. So So what's going on over here? Is this a mussar shmooze or who's talking exactly? So the Gemara says in Maseches Shabbos, daf sameach gimmel amud aleph, that this is a very interesting possuk. The first half of the possuk says the Gemara, "Amar Rav Huna, ad kan divrei yetzer hara." "Mi'kan v'eilach," the second half of the possuk is divrei yetzer tov. Meaning, this possuk is really made up of two voices. The two voices that we have constantly inside of us. The first voice is the yetzer hara. That's all the yetzer hara talking. Now comes the yetzer tov. "V'da." No, yes. No, no, no. You're crazy. "Smach bochur b'yaldo sachah." Don't forget, "Ki al kol Ki al kol EILEH Y'VI'ACHA ELOKIM B'MISHPAT." THAT ONE DAY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE din v'cheshbon. So of course it's not one voice. How could it be? IT'S TWO VOICES. "MI'KAN V'EILACH," the second half of the possuk is is the is the yetzer tov. Stating that, the Dubna market set up a beautiful beautiful in this parsec. He said there was once upon a time a person that was very poor. He was homeless and he would travel from state to state, from village to village literally so that he would find a place to sleep, he'd find a little bit of food to eat. He would always come into a shot, he'd go to the local school, he would walk in and the guy by the the somebody would come over to him, he'd be invited, he would stay for a day or two and once it was, you know, socially appropriate to leave, he'd move on. He'd go to the next city and that's the way this person survived. But here he comes to a city, he goes to the like he always did, comes to the after somebody comes over to him and says, "I've never been here before, who are you?" He tells him who he is. He says, "I don't really have a place to live. I was hoping maybe somebody can put me up." He says, "You've come to the right city." He says, "You know, in this city we're very very much in this area. Not just that, we built a hotel. That's not just any hotel, it's a five star hotel. It has every luxury, every amenity you could possibly dream of. You're more than welcome to come stay in this hotel." The person heard it, couldn't even believe it. He checks into the hotel, it was a dream. It was something he had never experienced. He stayed for a day, two days, three days, extended his his visit a little bit. He stayed a week, the end of the week he knew it was time to leave. That's what he always did. So he's walking out of this hotel, he's about to check out and somebody stands and says, "Where are you going?" He says, "What do you mean? I'm leaving." He says, "Well, you can't just leave. What do you mean you're going to stay in a five star resort for a week and you're just going to walk out?" The person goes to his computer, prints out an invoice, shows him the invoice, $22,000. This person looked at him and said, "What am I supposed to do?" He starts walking around the lobby, he doesn't know if he's coming or if he's going. He was just sold a bill of goods. He was just conned into something. He doesn't know what in the world he's going to do. There was a person walking in the lobby and he said, "Sir, you look a little confused. Is everything okay?" He says, "Everything's actually not okay." See, he says, "What's going on? Tell me your story." He tells him what happened. "I'm a poor person, I have nothing. I was told that I can come here. It certainly sounded like this was a nice resort and that they were going to >> told that I can come here. It's certainly sounded like this was a nice place to stay that they were going to put me up and the next thing I know I'm walking around with a $20,000 bill. I don't know how to pay. So he looks at this person and says listen, let me ask you a question. Did anyone tell you to leave? He said no. He said, why do you say this? He says I don't know it's what I do. I stay for a couple of days, actually send my check a little bit. I decided I'm going to check out. So listen, you can work for the rest of your life. You're never going to come up with a $22,000 that you need to pay a be able to pay this bill. If I were you, I would stay here longer. Stay here as long as they let you stay until they throw you out. Rack up an even bigger bill. The bill might be a $122,000 by the time you're done, but let's be honest, does it make a difference cuz you're not going to be able to pay it anyways. But now that you're here and you're stuck with this invoice regardless, you might as well milk it for what it's worth. Stay here as long as possible. And by the way, I think they're going to let you hang out here a little longer. So just enjoy yourself. Don't think about it and then once they throw you out, you'll deal with it. But the hell are you doing? I got to go that's what I do. The first the first half is the the second half is the said what? There's not enough in the couldn't take the positive and the positive and divide them separately. This is all the in the beginning said the comes to a person when he's young and the tides are burning and said there's a flame fire inside of him. He tells him go and go enjoy yourself. You're young, have a good time. Enjoy life. What happens when a person gets older and he starts thinking what's going to be? I'm already older, midlife crisis. I'm going to have to give them the one day. I wasted my life. What what became of me? Nothing. So he starts thinking about doing and he has all the right thoughts in his mind. He comes to him again and the says what are you nuts? You have a $22,000 bill. What you did in your life, there's no way in the world you're ever going to be able to make up for. You're never going to be able to clean this up. You might as well just continue to enjoy yourself. It's so it's the It's a horror talking. He sounds like the Aitz HaDaas. That's the lashon hara mode. We can't be like divrei Aitz HaDaas. And that reads from the Aitz HaDaas. But really it's the Aitz HaDaas talking. You know what he says? "V'dai, you should know kill call Ayla." And everything that you did YOU IT'S TOO LATE. YOU MESSED UP. YOU MIGHT as well enjoy your life in Olam HaZeh. Cuz one day you're going to have to stand in front of the Kisei HaKavod. And that's not going to be fun. But at the same time, there's nothing you can do about it. So you might as well enjoy yourself more than Olam HaZeh. You might as well milk it for what it's got. So that's sort of the call Ayla and right that could have a reverse effect as well. And it's because of divrei Aitz HaDaas. But it's really the Aitz HaDaas talking. But this is all wrong. And that's the gain of the poskim. The whole issue with the halacha of learning that a person's clothing has always be white. A person has to appreciate, a person has to understand that are you they the of chuva by bringing carbonos. He was given a a new lease of life. And that was done when? When a person brought a carbon and it was symbolic in the We don't have carbonos today. But at the same time we do have the halacha of learning We're learning especially with the So