Menachos 27

Today's daf is Menachos, daf chof zayin. Now, we are seven lines from the bottom of daf chof vav on mid base. Amar Rav Asi, "Kipashit Rav Elozar b'Menachos, Rav Elozar used to teach meseches Menachos, boyi hachi." He had the following question, "Koimitz she's idroi, if a kohein put the koimitz on the mizbei'ach, v'seder all of a sudden marocha, and he put the marocha, the atzei marocha on top of the koimitz. So, the usual and customary way to be mached to the koimitz would be to set up wood on the mizbei'ach, there's fire on the wood, and then you put the koimitz on top of the fire, which is essentially the marocha on the mizbei'ach. What happens if he did it serak serak? He did it backwards. Say, he put the koimitz first on the mizbei'ach, and then he was mesader the marocha on top of the koimitz. At the end of the day, you burn the koimitz. But, instead of being mached to the koimitz on the marocha, he put the marocha on the koimitz. What's the Takeu. Boyi Chizkiya What about if we were dealing with a zavach, not with a mincha, and the kohein was mesader the eivorim on the mizbei'ach, but again, instead of putting the eivorim on the marocha, he put the marocha on the eivorim. What's the shaila? Al supposed to be on the eitzim. On the eitzim sounds like dafka. Being that there's a second passuk that says, "Asher toicham lo eish es oilo al ha'mizbei'ach." And that passuk seems to suggest that the oilo is supposed to be on the mizbei'ach. Meaning, it doesn't have to be on the eitzim which are on the mizbei'ach. But rather, es oilo al ha'mizbei'ach. So, I have a passuk that says al ha'eitzim. I have a passuk that says al ha'mizbei'ach. Third shaila. Eivorim she's idrom b'tzidei marocha malu. What happens if the kohein was mached the eivorim, but he didn't physically put it on the marocha, he put it next to the marocha. But, next to the my rock, being that it was in such close proximity to the fire, it was able to be mocked to it. Is that a rock door or not? Says the Gamara, leave it to my mama. Al mamish, according to my mama that says wherever it says in the Torah al, it means mamish. Go eat your bagel. There's no shaila. The al eats and sleeps because at the very least it has to be together with the atzim. Go eat your bagel. Leave it to my mama. Al basam, according to my mama that holds Rashi says this mama is in the end of Masaches Menachos that al doesn't necessarily mean on, but al could mean basamach, next to. My, what's the halacha? Hach nami, do you say here too al basamach? So, even though it says al atzim, but al ho atzim could mean next to the atzim. So, you don't have to physically put the evarim on the fire. You could put them in the cedar my rock as well. You doing well. Maybe over here it's different because being that it says al ho atzim al mamish bayach. And al ho atzim therefore should be dum you dalid misbayach. Hach nami, al mamish, al mamish bayach certainly mamish. Meaning, everyone agrees, even the mama that says al means samach, agrees that you can't take the atzim and put them next misbayach and then be mocked to the evarim on those atzim. There's no question that the Torah has to be on the misbayach. So, al misbayach, even according to the mama that holds al means basamach, over here means on the misbayach literally. If that's the case, maybe al ho atzim also has to mean that because it's the same pasuk. Al ho atzim al misbayach. So, perhaps al mamish, says the Gamara, takes us to three shailas. Number one, does the kometz dafka have to be on the my rock which is on the misbayach or could you be misaded the my rock on top of the kometz? Could you be misaded the my rock on top of the evarim? Could you put the evarim on the my rock, but let it all be next to the my rock, or could you put the evarim next to the my rock when it's going to be on the misbayach? And the Gamara came out table. So, the Mishnah says my dad kometz miyuta my Akiva's rule by the entire kometz was my Akiva. So, the kohen had to put the entire kometz on the misbayach. If you don't put the entire kometz on the misbayach, even if if left over a miyut, whereas ordinarily you would say Rubai Kiku like over here it's not that way. Over here we're highest mute us all to speak. Hakoy Mets Miyutai Ma'akiv Rubai. Is sorry Miyutai Ma'akiv Rubai. Is sorry is the original share of soyless that most minochas required. You have to have the entire Is sorry. So if you have Rubai Is sorry, again you don't say Rubai Kiku like but rather Miyutai is Ma'akiv Rubai. Hayai Miyutai Ma'akiv Rubai. The Yayin that was brought sometimes on the Mizbeach. There was a share how much Yayin you had to have and a little bit of Yayin was Ma'akiv. Meaning you had to have the entire share. Hashem Miyutai Ma'akiv Rubai. Hasoy less Ba'Hashem Ma'akiv Zeh Zeh. The soyless and the shemen are Ma'akiv each other. Meaning if you have the right amount of soyless but you don't have the right amount of shemen, it's not only a hisaron in the shemen but it's a hisaron in the soyless as well. The soyless and the shemen they come in tandem. They're one unit of Mincha together. Hakoy Mets Ba'Levoy in the same two thing. Ma'akiv Zeh Zeh. Says the Ma'akiv. How do you know that all the things mentioned in the Mishnah are Ma'akiv? On my crow as relates to the first Mishnah which was Hakoy Mets Miyutai Ma'akiv Rubai. Meaning the entire Koy Mets is Ma'akiv. The Makores because it says Maloy Kumtsai and it says it twice in me. It says it's in Svey Temol. And the ruling Katchum is Shina Hakas Is sorry Miyutai Ma'akiv Rubai. How do you know the entire share Is sorry is Ma'akiv? My time on my crow Misolta. And we learn from there Hasra Kol Shuptsu. Hayai Miyutai Ma'akiv Rubai. Because it says Kacha. Kacha is a loshon that suggests and that it's Ma'akiv. Hashem Miyutai Ma'akiv Rubai. Says the Gamara. How do you know that the Minchas Nesochim oil that came as part of the Minchas Nesochim there the Torah says Kacha. That's why I know it's Ma'akiv. With the Minchas Nedava where it doesn't say Kacha on my crow the possuk says Umishana. Just like Misolta here it says Umishana. And we learn from there Hisra Kol Shuptsu. Hashemen Ba'Hasoy less Ma'akiv Zeh Zeh. The shemen and the soyless are Ma'akiv each other. How do you know that? Meaning we know the shemen is Ma'akiv and the soyless is Ma'akiv. How do you know they're Ma'akiv each other? It says Misolta Umishana together. Soyless and shemen. And then it me gorgeous and soy sauce is the same thing just different types of flour iron ration but two times the title puts soy sauce and shaman together with the emphasis of the map okay so shaman which suggests equal so we know that each one is my active and they're mentioned together in the context of them being my active and it says it twice does she not cause of the active that they should be my active each other how come it's all the way my active and says cuz they're too alcohol so and then it says to suggest that they are my active each other either way the topic of the day for the first 26 dolphin of miss active minocus has been minocus and the last that we just learned was details in the mincha as it relates to what part is my active what's not my active how come it's mutual my active is Ruby it's soy sauce mutual my active is Ruby how come mutual my active is Ruby the shaman is mutual my active is Ruby we covered that now we discuss parts of the mincha that are my active each other soy sauce and shaman are my active each other how come it's all the way my active each other the mission is going to digress now take one of the great left turns of all time and we're going to have about a 20 block digression the majority of those dolphin are going to be discussing the laws of stamp so if it turns out minocus is this is the next paragraph over here in minocus minocus so it is actually going to be a digression from the course of minocus we're not really going to appreciate that digression until tomorrow's stuff that's what the really starts getting into it into shabbos and Sunday but the point is is that for now the mission is going to mention other things that are also my active and says that so just like the soy sauce and the shaman my active and says that and just like the coin mints and the lavoyna are my active and says that there are other things unrelated to monotheism or the kashan that are thus the segue and the digression regardless of the Mishnah Yoma Kippurim the two the again you can't do one without the other if you don't have it's either both or nothing you can't say I don't have two I'm going to bring one you can't say one goat so let me bring it even though I don't have the doesn't work that way that's the that was born on the two you can't only have six that will be by the two you can't have you can't have you can't have without you can't have without these two types of breads that the brought when he brought his bread were also there give me a part the three that were brought with the what are those three things actually says eight errors the which the the four types of breads of the carbon were the the of the the four what were those four it's the errors those were the three of them you add to that the the birds the seven of the the seven that God will use to on the the seven that were put on the the and the seven that were put on the that was also on the there were 11 four on the like every and another seven that were done al tiyur al mizbeach. Regardless, those are going to be each other as well. So, before we see the Gemara and the Gemara is going to bring everything mentioned in the Mishnah. Interestingly enough, the one that the Gemara is going to be spending the most time in is that with minam shibbolim. So, that's the theme already in the spirit of digression. That's the one that the Gemara is going to spend the most time on as we'll see momentarily. But for now, I saw in the shiurim from Sholom Dovid Halevi zol zayn gezunt, he asks a beautiful aura. He says that the Mishnah mentioning things that are zayin. And the last one is is a a topic that we spoken so much about. And that is rekus. Says the Mishnah there are certain rekus that are more accurately certain that are and the Mishnah lists zayin shol ben adam. The zayin from the paroches, every hottest panimi has zayin on the paroches. And the zayin that were done on Yom Kippur on the mizbeach hazav. Straight from Sholom Dovid, why didn't the Mishnah also say the four hazav that were done by every single hottest panimi that were done on the dollar corners. We're talking about the seven that were ben adam. We're talking about the seven that always were on the paroches. And we're talking about the seven that were done on the mizbeach hazav on Yom Kippur. What about the four that were done on the mizbeach hazav every single Why what about those four? Those are also The only time this week is not active is the dam that went in the mizbeach how many were but that's where there's a that the are not where but but a carbon that went in the mizbeach such as the it's all four so how come the Mishnah doesn't say that? Says Reb Dovid, it's in this Mishnah a tremendously side. He says but Reb Dovid says the side again you have to go through it line by line. We just do what we do. came the carbon market. But says David, the purpose of this mission is not just to tell me two things that are active each other. There's a lot of things that are market. For example, the whole state of Yom Kippur is market. So if you miss out one market of the Yom Kippur, it throws off everything. We know that. So the mission doesn't say that. The mission said the two market of Yom Kippur are market. The market of them are market. What do you mean everything was market? You can't miss out the carbon market are market. There's nothing on Yom Kippur that's not market. It says David, the purpose of this mission is not to tell me things that are market. There's a lot of things that are market in the Torah. The purpose of this is that sometimes you find two markets. You find two things the Torah says you have to do where they are market. Here's the punchline. In the market, meaning if you have one without the other, it's as if you don't have anything at all. The two markets, even though they're two goats, they're two separate animals, but from a market standpoint, they're one. They're two markets. They're one unit. And if you have one without the other, it's as if you have a half a goat. It's nothing. The two markets are not two carbons. They're one carbon. The two animals make up together the one carbon. The four markets of bread by the market are not four individual breads. They're one unit of bread of market that need to be bread. Says David, the two markets there And the two markets spoken yesterday from the carbon safer page 96 where the carbon said a tremendous market. He said that it's important to understand that even the market of the carbon market, you wouldn't be able to have a market of the one of the market of the carbon market. You wouldn't be able to have a market of the one of the market of the carbon market or of the carbon market. And the reason is because each market of the carbon market is not even a total market. The two markets equates it to a carbon market. The two markets of the carbon market are like a fake the brisket off. Why is it different than what says in what according to that you have to do two streaks on the if you one of them according to the mayor that holds the would be bigger. So the rub said it tremendously so. He said it's Martin David is a is a Messiah when you carbon you drink how much one vehicle but but what when it comes to the that went even on the according to the the carbon needs more than one and needs two. Each streak is a streak of for itself. The carbon is just Messiah more than one streak. So in terms of looking at each individual streak of it's a of a streak. It just happens to be a because you need two of them. So the that holds the of a matter. So in the of the of the of the the is you're going to be able to but when it comes to the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the in it of itself is nothing. It's like a climate that you can't even win it. Even that holds the you wouldn't be able to have a bigger. So says all the things in the that says if the of all the things in the that definition means that just in a lot of things but it means is the in the then how beautiful it is that that the mission mentioned only the the and the and then the of the of the of the of the but the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the of the >> Even though it's true that I have but that's not the point of the mission. The mission is discussing with Either way it's a it's a it's amazing. It's a major lump this in understanding the mission of and also to beautiful that we spoke at at the end of yesterday's either way so the mission is going to go through now everything that we just discussed and find them a car. The first thing the mission said How do you know that? gives a answer How do you know that? How do you know that the four million of the How do How do you know that they're says the Gamora cuz means it has to be complete Rashi says has to be all four Thus we know that the four of them this that we're saying that the dollar meaning of the rule of that's only true meaning if you don't all four you can't say okay I only have an let me take an answer no they're my active meaning you have to have all four of them if you have all four in my active then already it's not going to be my active Rashi says meaning you don't have to tie them together so when we say that the dollar meaning of my active it just means you have to have all four if you don't physically have all four you're not going dollar meaning then can't be my kind of mission but at the same time it doesn't mean it doesn't mean that if take all four together or that you need to tie them together. We'll see more accurately what the emphasis is. But for now, you don't have to take them together in the sense that you don't necessarily have to tie them together. Like the Gemara, is that true? You don't have to tie the dal minim together. May stay from an interesting price. So, dal minim should be base min pairs two of the minim and some pairs. Rashi says the esrog and the lulav will base min and in some pairs two of the minim and some pairs. So, in some pairs use cooking and some pairs. V'sha'ein pairs use cooking pairs. Meaning even though the four minim are really made up of two subsets, you have the esrog and pairs and the and some pairs, it doesn't matter. They all need each other. They're all makif each other. And they all have to be tied together. And the same issue when it comes to klal Yisrael. They it could only happen when you are together. What do we need from here? Not What we need over here is not a good akhas. What we need is is a good akhas from the oneness perspective. And that is they have to be tied together. So, how could you tell me when it says dal minim makif odi? It just means yesh l'i. It just means that you have to have it. But as long as you have it, it doesn't literally have to be one. It's a bracha. The The bracha says clearly as the Gemara lulav whether the minim are tied together not tied together is kosher. This is the other kicha kicha. That good as it is referring to I just go over there. Why is it kicha kicha? The Rabbanan don't hold of kicha kicha. >> The mitzvah is to tie the minim together. So, if there's a halacha that it has to be tied together, the Rabbanan don't hold of kicha kicha. What's the mitzvah? It's makeh that you tie them together. Rabbanan hold you don't have to tie it together. Stating that, it's still a mitzvah because of but the bottom line is is that that holds kicha kicha you hold you have to tie them together. Who said that when the Mishnah says because it says kicha tama. It means it's makeh if you don't have it, but if you have it, it's not makeh for them to be together. hold by the way that's because of but the whole It's because of the halacha of excel. So, the Gemara said What's the The kicha tama means it needs to be a complete kicha. What's the definition of the maskana of the kicha tama? It means you have to have the four minim. Meaning it's makeh if you don't have the four minim. But at the same time, if you have the four minim, it's makeh. There's a very very big what exactly the maskana of the Gemara is. Meaning it's a little bit unclear. One thing's for sure, it's for sure that you have to have dollar meaning. That's what's my active. It's also for sure that you don't have to tie them together. That the Gamorah said for sure. Stating that, we still a very, very important we showed you, which has implications of a law. Tastes of sugar that flower dollar lemon base and paraclu of my God will say appears is good the back said in my active that when the Gamorah comes out of Mascon, it's the Gamorah over there in Mascon and the Gamorah that we just learned here in Mascon Menachus that the dollar meaning are not my active. What it means is the way table at the market below the heart of the adult LA in my book had the heart with holiday shopper dummy. The kind of a little bit of says the back is positive to me that if somebody has dollar meaning and he wants to pick up each one of the dollar meaning independently. So first he picks up the Estrog, puts it down, then he picks up the little of he puts it down, he picks up the Adas and puts it down, he picks up the over there and then he puts it down. What are we going to do with it? I don't see why not. Cuz the Gamorah said dollar meaning my active. What's my active? I don't know. You have to have all four. Meaning if it's ain't loyal, it's my active. But if it's yes loyal, it's it's going to be okay. So says the back, I think a lot of it if you would ask me if somebody wants to take the dollar meaning and he wants to take them one after another after another after another, it's going to be okay. I was like with my camera on my camera. It's it's a tremendous finish. The given the cooler mix of a classy because being that the dollar meaning are all one mix for he was a We didn't find that you could do one mix for the way if it's one mix for you should have to do them all the same time. Grab a new time again and it's because of that grab a new time had a different gear in the Gamorah. I would have a new time says a bad it's positive that a person cannot be used to the mix of dollar meaning taking one after another after another after another. I would have to you have to take them all at the same time. When the Gamorah says say in law, means you need to have all four at the same time. What don't you have to have? You just don't have to tie them together. But I've had to give this. There's nothing to talk about. You would have to hold them at the same times. In other words, we have a machlokes the and Rabbeinu Tam and Rabbeinu which really boils down how to understand our Gemara which really is very gray. It left us a little hanging. The question is is if a person would take the dalet minim, he has all four minim. He's not an engloy, he's yesh loy. But at the same time, he's going to take them as achas zeh. Do you say being that he has them all in front of him, he was mekayem all the kicha tama, so therefore he's going to be yoitze. Or do you say no? Or do you say that you have to take them all b'achas achas? It's just that they don't have to be tied together like the Gemara suggested. The Bach says you can take them b'achas achas. Rabbeinu Tam held that you have to take them all b'achas achas. The only chiddush in our Gemara is they don't have to be tied together. But in terms of taking them, they have to be for sure b'achas achas. Rabbeinu Tam really came from a dvar tamei. He thought in Sefardi it's 100% right. What's his dvar tamei? The kiyum of the kulei mitzvah achas kiyum b'achas achas. What's possible to have in the Bach? To the extent that it's one mitzvah, what's the hava mina? That he should be able to do it b'achas achas. So the truth is at first glance, what's the greatest kasha? Isn't that the theme of Menachos daf chof zayin? The theme of Menachos daf chof zayin, the way we explained it, the pnei ha beer and Mashlum David Zonnenfeld, is that the Mishnah is discussing things that are really shtayim she'nayim achas. Like the seven azoyis of the bein avadim and the seven azoyis of the paroches and the mizbe'ach achas. Well, even though it's seven ma'asim that happened b'achas achas, but ma'achvin zeh zeh in the sense that it's seven that are one. They all make up one. The two kisei ha'eidus, the two se'irei Yom Kippurim. So there was one side and another side that together make up one kiyum. Because in in chefso, we look at them even as one. So you're right, it's mitzvah achas. But who said you can't be mekayem mitzvah achas b'achas achas achas achas achas. So at first glance, what's the greatest dvar tamei of Rabbeinu Tam that such a greatest kasha of the Bach? Isn't that Menachos daf chof zayin and and this Mishnah is mentioned in that Mishnah of chof zayin and that's that's where what this mission is tucked away. It's it's true. It's it's a little bit it's not tucked away. But comes out in it's very much tucked away. It's it's here. A very long cut from the because we're talking about things that in the way they learn so that's the case. What's the greatest advantage? But the truth is the truth is in terms of properly understanding the of a hug. I saw the Shiva Ruby ocean in his year of my yard. He has a few on with regards to the of a hug and he says that it could be the hug is a little bit different and it could be there's a very fundamental feeling between the and something very very surprising and that is if you ask the man on the street the is it one or he's going to tell you it's one like said and being that it's one right it's possible you should not be able to take Ruby said it's really not so possible if you want in the there is to say that the are not one but rather the are now when a person takes a you make one right so I can say so you make only one stating that is a big the what would be if somebody would take it according to the of a hug which incidentally is the we pass like the so a person could in theory take it according to the if you're taking a do you make one on it now or do you make four on it the says you're going to make one and the is it's in a he says ain't going to he's talking even when you're taking it why the all four together make up one so even though the was you could take it but when it comes to the of I've already going to make one stating that argues the Ravid that when you take it you don't make one you make four unbelievable. I said so what's when you take it you make one if you're going to make four when it's then you should make four says really you are making four but being that you're taking them the one is so I'm making one I'm being all but I'm picking up all four at the same time literally I'm picking all four at the same time so the one that I'm making is being over for the it's being over for the it's being over for the it's being over for the so it's going to be over for all four but the point is this is a [ __ ] that's where the Ravid says that if you take them you don't make one you make four why would you make four in this the that the Ravid disagreed with the whole premise of the the Ravid said if I you make one even why cuz because so if it's one it's what the I'm not I'll call you for whatever but that's the of the the the Ravid obviously argued with that how else do you understand the Ravid so the Ravid must have held that they're not four parts of one they're four if they're four it's possible that's why the reason you make four if that's the case he's the Ravid of course is going to be so maybe that's the Ravid came with a whole of that how is it possible to take them I have to take them the Ravid was with the Ravid the Ravid the the Ravid the Ravid maybe the Ravid before if they're four you can do the Ravid and the Ravid is that way cuz the Ravid dialed it up a notch he said not only could you take the Ravid but the Ravid said it's four it's four it's four oh now we're ready that's not that's not four cuz you don't make a I'll call you each the Ravid would have made a separate brochos, the Ravid minim be with four in other words. The dalet minim is a dalet mitzvah or is it one mitzvah? It seems like the most basic question in the world, right? I mean, literally we're going back to primary. Is it one mitzvah or is it four mitzvahs? It's a nice chukira. So, l'chumra, at first glance, I would imagine it's one mitzvah. I mean, Rabbeinu Tam assumes that for a davar pashut in Sukkah 34a. The Rashba assumed it for a davar pashut. It's not that I have ever I mean, it's not that I'm just saying it. It's like pashut, it's one mitzvah. But then it's not so pashut. There's a Ravid, there's a Bahag. It's not so pashut whether it's four mitzvahs or two mitzvahs. L'maaseh, we pasken like the Bahag. The Tur Hamoss says that a person can take them b'zeh chazeh. The Tur Hamoss also says that if you take them b'zeh chazeh, you make one brocha. You don't make four brochos if you take them b'zeh chazeh. You make one brocha. Stating that, comes again the Tur Hamoss, and the Tur Hamoss says that if a person is going to take the dalet minim b'zeh chazeh, and he talked in between the esrog and the lulav, im sach beinayim, sorchei v'vorech al kol echad lifneihem, then you have to make another brocha. And the Magen Avraham is machmir. First of all, what's pshat? What's pshat? What's pashut pshat? And v'oid, Magen Avraham says that the Tur Hamoss in Hilchos Rosh Hashanah says that you're not supposed to talk from the first keriah until the end of the kerios. What happens if somebody speaks in between? So, do you have to go over to the baal tokeah and ask him to make another brocha for you? No, you don't. You don't make another brocha. So, why? Because it's one mitzvah of kius shofar. I mean, it's one mitzvah of kius shofar. It doesn't bother me. Even though I spoke in between, there's no inyan of making a another brocha. So, according to Magen Avraham, I have a svara in the Tur Hamoss. What's the difference? How come when it comes to dalet minim and the this new chiddush im sach beinayim, that somehow is mechayev another brocha? Magen Avraham, you make one brocha. Let's speak it out with our beer. It's one mitzvah. So, if it's one mitzvah, then what's this idea of of making a new brocha because I spoke in between? Then why is it different than Rosh Hashanah? And Magen Avraham says a very big chiddush. The Magen Avraham says that it could be, being that over here it's really machlokes between the Rashba and the Ravid if you're supposed to make one brocha or you're supposed to make four brochos. So, even though the Tur Hamoss paskens like the Rajba, but the Yavin he passed it like the Ravid. So, if you don't talk, then it's the Rajba. If you talk, then we're going to be some of them the Ravid and we're going to make you but there's no Ravid in Hilchos Rosh Hashanah. So, that's why when it comes to Hilchos Lulav over there in Sukkah you make another bracha. But when it comes to Hilchos Rosh Hashanah, not that way. We're going to have raw the the Biur Halacha brings this carrots from the Magen Avraham and his washing is the Nitzchah the Ashvoi I'm sure. It's a very very big that's the pshat. Pshat in the Magen Avraham is for the Yavin you bring some of them the Biur Halacha a beautiful carrots. So, he's not pshat in the Ramah is pshat in the Ramah is not that really you make one bracha even if you take them but if you spoke so now make four bracha that's not the nakuda. What is the nakuda is why is there in even a shiva of taking it not taking it my is the it all came from Menachos the Halacha is kachtem. What do you need? You have to have a kicha tamah. The question is what is the kicha tamah so the Gemara said oh my rab what it means is I will yesh it's going to be okay and then within the yesh we have a we're saying what is yesh means? Yesh means enough that you have it you can take it that's a key kicha tamah. Or yesh means you have to be holding it you just it just doesn't have to be it just doesn't have to be and that was the but everybody agrees is a kicha tamah. The said the said that as long as you have all four in front of you even if the kicha itself is a kicha tamah it's not a kicha tamah. I will say comes again the Ramah and the Ramah says in Sukkah if you spoke in between there was a hefsek not in Hilchos brachos. This is not a this is not a kicha tamah it's a kicha tamah cuz now that you spoke you are mafsik. The doesn't mind if you pick it up you can't talk in between cuz if you talk in between like talking between now already it's a hefsek it's mafsik to look at the That's the side. Says the I want to say I think even though it's not says the I think you know the same you have to go back. You start all over again and that's why you make a new It's not that you were the law of I spoke. Okay, now we can on the Did we know to make a on the Just like if we spoke to the with the kids to get in the spirit. You wouldn't make a new brocha. So you're not going to make a new brocha either. The point is you have to start all over again. Why? Because there's an Indian brocha. So if you're going to start all over again, then maybe you're going to have to make a new brocha because you're starting the You messed up in this It wasn't a proper It wasn't So you have to start from scratch. You're starting from scratch in the starting from scratch in that spirit. It's that you have to go ahead and you have to make a new brocha. In other words, it's not a It's not a in what in the hill brocha It's a brocha. The says that the to this is really a You're going to bring me the over here is there So what's mean? You have to start all over again. That's the emphasis of I had some of beautiful. It's an If you say I had some you have to know what to be mine. So it's an If you have to have If you want to see the raid, it's in in the hill. On the man in the Either way you have to say that the part of the man was So the part of the man wasn't a carpet. The part of the man was born in the part of the man was born in but the that we done with the of the part of the man that was that needed a even though it's a lot of but we had it so many times. You know the There was also a and the had to be done in the all seven Why? Or how do I know? The magic word. Those are the three of that have nothing to do with keeper. So if the client was doing that with the product owner. And he brought the voice. Or be. It wasn't a lot of it's going to be possible. Why is it possible? The product owner always conforms to the of a. So number one is possible. And number two if it wasn't play all your money. It's going to be possible. And the avoid of the. It's going to be possible. If it wasn't done in the proper place. The first part of the remainder of the day is going to discuss. The first part of this price. That's the tomorrow. Because Kyrie is my mother. So we have a one price that says that if the. It was done not where it wasn't it's going to be. Possible. The second price that says it's going to be cautious. Who's this Rabbi Yehudah and who's this so we going to a very long-winded bris that has nothing to do with what we're learning right now. A machlokes Rabbi Yehudah and the Rabbanan. We'll try to do what we do. And it We just just one principle in that machlokes that we want to apply to this shaila whether or not the hazoyas of the parah adumah machkif or that am I kind of ruined the bris in parshas tzav parshas shmini chayev chates. Someone that's tamei, but he needs to bring a korban in order to be tahor such as a zav, zavah, yoledes, metzora. He's a mechusar kaparah. He needs a korban to become tahor. So, the halacha is if he enters the azar before he brought the korban shogeg chayev chates. That's bemeisas kares. Ein tzorech l'mecheleh yom. It's posul in full yom. That's someone who doesn't only need a korban, he even has to go to the mikvah. He's considered more tamei. V'sh'ar kol tamei. And certainly other tamei. V'tahor. What about someone that's tahor that entered a part of the mikdash that he's not allowed to enter. V'tahor she'nichnas l'd'fnim m'chitas. And if they went beyond where they're allowed to go l'heichal. So, if somebody let's say azar enters the heichal, the halacha is barbom. He gets malkus. Mi'beisa l'paroches el pnei hakapores bemisa. If he enters the kodesh hakodashim, meaning he goes beyond the heichal or if he goes to the aron the halacha is he's chayev misa. Rabbi Yehudah and Rabbi Yehudah says kol heichal kuloi umi'beisa l'paroches barbom. If a person enters the heichal or somebody enters the kodesh hakodashim, but he doesn't go all the way to the aron, he gets malkus. V'al pnei hakapores bemisa. You don't get misa unless you go to the mikdash. What's the machlokes? It's the high priest. V'yomer Hashem el Moshe V'al yavo Aharon el hakodesh Go tell Aharon he can go whenever he wants in the kodesh hakodashim. V'al yavo Aharon el hakodesh. Mi'beisa l'paroches asher el pnei hakapores asher al haaron. V'lo yamus. So, really there's two things mentioned in this pasuk. Number one, the Torah is talking about the places that Aharon isn't supposed to go. Al yavo Aharon el hakodesh which usually means the heichal. Mi'beisa l'paroches which means the kodesh hakodashim. El pnei There's more written the end. El Pnei Hakapores, which means all the way to the Aron. So, we're mentioning three places, right? The Heichal, the Kodesh Hakodashim, and El Pnei Hakapores, which means the Kodesh Hakodashim. Additionally, we have in this pasuk is you have a lo sasei, v'al yavo b'cholais lo sasei, lav she'yeish b'meisah, always involves malkus. And at the end the Torah says v'lo yavo. The question is what's al yavo going on? What's Is v'lo yavo going back on everything? So, it's going if a person enters the Kodesh, Meibais Laparoiches, El Pnei Hakapores, on all of them you have the halacha of of v'lo yavo, or maybe not. Maybe v'lo yavo is only going back on El Pnei Hakapores. Maybe it's only going back on Meibais Laparoiches. That's the question. Rabbonan Savoran and Rabbonan hold El Hakodesh v'lo yavo. The way you read the pasuk is v'al yavo b'cholais El Hakodesh. The Therefore, if a person enters the Kodesh, all it is is a lo sasei, Meibais Laparoiches, v'El Pnei Hakapores v'lo yavo. But, if you go into the Kodesh Hakodashim, at that point the rayus is going to be v'lo yavo. Who does it? El Hakodesh u'Meibais Laparoiches v'lo yavo. If a person enters the Kodesh or Meibais Laparoiches, that's v'al yavo. It's only v'El Pnei Hakapores v'lo yavo. So, the question is is Meibais Laparoiches going back to the v'al yavo or it's going forward to the v'lo yavo? My time with the Rabbonan. Okay, so what's the beer in the machlokes? The Rabbonan hold Eisav Kodesh u'Meibais Laparoiches u'Meibais Laparoiches v'lo yavo. If you are right, the Rachmana El Hakodesh v'El Pnei Hakapores v'lo yavo Meibais Laparoiches. Why does he have to say Meibais Laparoiches? If you get malkus, right? I know Meina Heichal u'Machayeiv. Meibais Laparoiches u'Meibais Laparoiches v'lo yavo. If you get malkus for going into the Heichal, suddenly you get malkus for going into the Kodesh Hakodashim. Meibais Laparoiches El Hakodesh u'Meibais Laparoiches v'lo yavo. Shvami na Meisa must be That's the chiddush. The chiddush is that if you get Meisa, it's a chiddush, cuz otherwise you would have thought only El Pnei Hakapores you get Meisa. That's what he meant. Rabbi Yehuda Eikas Rachmana El Hakodesh Eikas Meibais Laparoiches is very simple, cuz I didn't just say El Hakodesh u'Meibais Laparoiches v'lo yavo. How do I mean in my Kodesh Meibais Laparoiches? I would have thought that Kodesh means Meibais Laparoiches. Aval Heichal lav nami v'lo Maybe there's not even a lot by the rabbonim. What's the sound of the holy holy? You can't say the because everyone knows that the holy holy you can't say that it's holy holy. I would have thought it means the holy holy the holy holy is always what's referred to as holy holy. And I'm a video for him for him and I holy holy or maybe not holy holy holy holy. Rabbi my time what is Rabbi who the whole what he holds because he's so good at coming rabbonim if rabbonim are right that if a person enters the holy holy holy holy holy holy even if he doesn't make it to the holy holy holy holy holy holy lifted holy holy holy holy place of holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy coming to tell me that there's a cuz it already says once you enter the holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy that when you go to the holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy so why did the holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy coming to say somebody would enter the holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy but he would go in not the ordinary way wouldn't walk in my way through the curtains or if you would go in in some backward way he wouldn't be holy holy but the holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy the only holy holy if you go holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy and that's the emphasis holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy they have to go otherwise you're not going to be holy holy says the holy holy holy holy holy holy what does Rabbi lay my holy holy my holy holy you're right holy holy itself already teaches me holy holy holy holy holy that already teaches me that you have to go in the regular way holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy what did the holy holy holy holy holy holy holy holy meaning the end of is day this whole machlokes over here. Is boils down to how do you learn the word L? When it says L, does L mean davka or not davka? The Torah says El Pnei Hakapores V'layomos. Rebbi Yehuda says L is davka. It's coming to teach me that only if a person goes El Pnei Hakapores is he going to be chayav misah, otherwise not going to be chayav misah. The Rabbanan hold L is not davka. So once a person goes me Beis Laparoiches on the other side of the Paroches, even if he doesn't go El Pnei Hakapores, he's already going to be chayav misah. Again, the machlokes boils down to is L davka or is L not davka? So the Gemara speaks out like Rebbi Yehuda says the Gemara though Am Ha'aretz Pnei Hakapores davka. According to Rebbi Yehuda holds Pnei Hakapores davka. Then when it says by the Parah Adumah, what are we talking about? We're discussing the Kohen is doing the avodah with the Parah Adumah. He's doing the Zayin Hazoyos. But he didn't do an oich mayed. Is it possul is a kasher? One braisa says it's possul. The second braisa says it's kasher. What is the lashon of Torah? V'hiza El Noichach Pnei Ha'oyed. If El is davka like Rebbi Yehuda holds, v'hiza like Noichach Nami davka. So it's going to have to be in the right place. The Rabbanan hold the lashon not davka. But the Rabbanan just like they hold El Pnei Hakapores is not davka because once he entered me Beis Laparoiches, you're already chayav misah. So it's not davka El Pnei Hakapores. Oich Nami not davka. So this much to steer between the two braisos whether the Hazoyos of the Parah Adumah had to be davka Noichach Pnei Ha'oyed or not boils down to whether the word El is davka not is El a lashon of ikuva? That's the spirit of the davar. Is El a lashon of ikuva or is it not? It's a machlokes Rebbi Yehuda and Rabbanan. Where in me'inyan l'inyan sh'lo y'vai se'inyan with regards to the avodah on Yom Kippur it's in that context where the Torah says v'al y'aveh b'chol ha'aretz only on Yom Kippur. V'al y'aveh b'chol ha'aretz al hakodesh. And if you do Malkus Misah El Pnei Hakapores v'layomuso. If you hold that that El is davka, the only time there's a chayav misah for going beyond where you're allowed to go is if you go El Pnei Hakapores because El is davka. Here too El is going to be davka. If not Maskif Rebbi Yosef Rebbi Yehuda means El davka El and if that's the case that we don't be in a bottom and be out there if open is not good then I'll put has to be as well and that's a very big problem because that would mean that if you hold is not good like I was not good they didn't do a voice by the way it was no there was no it was an but it was no it was no did they do the on the mix of the reboot that says that that's okay to the weather if the of the were not going to play one says it's possible one says it's we said one of you one of you one of you one of you one of What matters is what I'm saying was the standing or was he standing something if you were standing at least the way he was supposed to stand even though the didn't but they were supposed to land I was that's going to be okay but if you were even standing not the way he was supposed to stand he was standing that's really the second part of the was the has of me and the mix of the is possible should be but I need regarding the being been see how like the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix Our price is said possible but you have a price of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix of the mix We come full circle. Rebbe Eliezer the Makish awesome hot Rebbe Eliezer one of the first mission that is walking holes. That doesn't pass most possible and awesome is also awesome is always like hot that's Rebbe Eliezer sheet and shots. So Rebbe Eliezer the Makish awesome Makish like awesome. So it makes sense that the should be like the awesome which is like the hot. If that's the case going to be possible. So the price of that says like Shimon So what you know what the shot is cuz the Shimon was brought with an awesome. Awesome possible. I I thought only hot the pass no how many Rebbe Eliezer that holds the awesome is like the hot. If the awesome possible makes sense it reasons that the should be possible as well. Rebbe hold the awesome is awesome is the shouldn't be any worse. So the price of that says it's awesome is going according to the Rebbe to the tomorrow. Rebbe Eliezer that's another principle that we know from God's saying. How could you learn the Shimon from the awesome when you learn the awesome from the hot. Being that I know awesome from hot with a hot so awesome possible is a awesome hot. In a Rebbe hot how could you go ahead and teach can awesome you have a student whether the Shimon awesome possible it's very simple. What's the every time you do the awesome? It's kosher but it's by the same so the price of that says kosher means it's kosher. The price of that says it's possible means it's by the same so and on that note on that note we conclude the first part of Menachus the part of Menachus that deals with the real Menachus is a whole another part that deals with all the Menachus but for right now we've completed part A. So I just thought that before we end this morning's just to speak out one hour. It's random but one hour and that is one of the themes of the beginning of the Sukkah Menorah is Maslow's and the light corruption. You had the first mission that discusses by a min home. The first Gemara Maslow's and the light corruption. We had a mission that said you'd seek his share bizarre and the Gemara said Maslow's and the light corruption. Cuz he had his 15 avoiders that are going to avoid the avoid and like the manner and the first thing he mentioned was I think it's a way voice but he mentioned you think so he holds you think it's an avoider. It's too low bizarre. The stomach is a bizarre. Come at this small going corruption is going to be kosher. Key bell the small Zaraq the small yesterday's stuff we had we rebuke. He holds you don't have to take the coin mints and put it into a second cliche artist. He holds that it's okay to be over the yard. Could be you could you could do the with your yard. Maybe even with your ball that was treated as a whole discussion but again a lot of stuff in of course that came up in the office but I saw the show of all the hand of all the minutes that we don't pass corruption. Because of all the social when it comes to a min home and we pass it is not an avoider. Thus it's a bizarre and Kamiza has to be done by a man and you have to put the coin mints into a second cliche artist. That's the price of say the min home. So with all the men mentioned in the first 26 27 in here in the min home at the end of the day it's all Maslow's and the light corruption. It's really not such a cuz the says in the same that the law is never like corruption. Whenever the my cuz you men and his body talk to us with your senior the law never follows men. Stating that I found a beautiful Maroquin that I thought was worth sharing. And that and that is there's a cuz between the Ram and the the regarding the issue of good so the third mint for in the Torah according to the min of the mint for the law of good comes dates back to Yakov Avinu the fight that he had with Sarei Esav and because of that there's a Lo say you're not allowed to eat the gid hanashe. The question is is the gid hanashe mutar banah or is the gid hanashe assur banah? The Rambam paskens that the gid hanashe is mutar banah. The Chachmei Luniel argued with the Rambam and they pasken that it's assur banah. Freq says if you know Siman Samech Hey, he says I don't understand. This machlokes between the Rambam and the Chachmei Luniel is really machlokes banah. It's a machlokes Rabi Yehudah and Rabi Shimon. Rabi Yehudah says in Maseches Chulin gid hanashe is mutar banah. Rabi Shimon says it's assur banah. In other words, the Rambam that pasken mutar banah pasken like Rabi Yehudah. The Chachmei Luniel who paskened that the gid hanashe is assur banah pasken like Rabi Shimon. Freq says Rabi Yosef, we know the rule the halacha is never like Rabi Shimon. So if the halacha is not like Rabi Shimon, why the Chachmei Luniel paskening like Rabi Shimon? It's a temiya. See even if in the sugya itself it's not clear who the halacha is like thus a machlokes Rabi Shimon. But we have klalei Shas. We have klalei absak. And one of the klalei absak is the halacha is not like Rabi Shimon keneged his baalei plugta. So over here if it's a machlokes Rabi Shimon Rabi Yehudah, the Chachmei Luniel is right. The Rambam pasken mutar banah it's shitas Rabi Yehudah in Shas. How could the Chachmei Luniel pasken like Rabi Shimon l'chora the halacha is not like Rabi Shimon. Says the Beis Yosef, shuv matzasi I found in the Sefas Emes Zohar Hakodesh that the Zohar Hakodesh says that gid hanashe is assur banah. Says the Beis Yosef, maybe the Chachmei Luniel were being someach on the Zohar. And being that it's a mefurash Zohar, that's why they pasken gid hanashe is assur banah. And if it would have been mutar banah it would be mutar banah like the Rambam. But it's a Zohar. Freq the Darkei Moshe writes in Yoreh Deah Siman Samech Hey, he says I don't even know how to read the words of the Beis Yosef. It doesn't make any sense. He says, shamati I heard interesting lashon ki baal sefer hazair was tam Rabi Shimon ha musmach b'talmid sh'hu Rabi Shimon bar Yochai. So what is the Beis Yosef that I found the Zohar? Oh yeah, I found the metziya. I found desire. So the are being so desire. And it's desire that you said it in the desire. So I don't understand how they could pass based on but I found the desire. And in the desire the desire is like it's not an objective matter of it's the of Shimon. And if the is not like Shimon then then What did we find in the desire? As I think the dark I saw in the in he said parents based on the that that talks about the Shimon that's the story of leaving the the and the says and the son of came out of the and met Ben Yair and he saw Ben Yair and he was just mortified by what he saw. I mean after living in a cave for 12 years he says I bothers me pains me so much to have to see you this way. I should tell Ben Yair I only if you wouldn't see me this way. He says if you know how much we were in the it was worth every second even though physically we look worn down but spiritually we grew tremendously. So how much he grew? I'll tell you. It used to be before went into the he would talk and learn to Ben Yair and would be the one asking the questions of Ben Yair and for every question asked would say 12 after left the when talking learning was the he would be the one that asked the questions and would give 24 at the that you see in this that he when he was in the he tremendously the goes out of its way to emphasize how much Aliyah Reb Shimon bar Yochai had when he was in the Maro. Says the Satmar Rav, it could be when the Gemara says the Halacha is not like Reb Shimon, that was Reb Shimon bar Yochai far the Maro. But Reb Shimon bar Yochai nach the Maro, after this Aliyah, he's not asking questions and getting 12 terutzim to these questions. He's the one giving 24 terutzim to the kashas that are being asked him. Now already he's on a whole different madrega. Now the Halacha is going to be like Reb Shimon. Does the Beit Yosef say, "When did Reb Shimon bar Yochai write Zohar?" That was all in the Maro. That's the Beit Yosef Beit Yosef asked the kasha on the Chacham Ovadia. How could the Chacham Ovadia say that the Halacha is going to be like Reb Shimon bar Yochai not like Reb Shimon in Shas? And Reb Shimon's shita is that it's like Reb Shimon we don't pass like Reb Shimon. But the Beit Yosef says that I found that it's the Zohar Hakodesh. It says over Reb Shimon, of course the Beit Yosef didn't know that Reb Shimon bar Yochai was the mechaber of the Zohar. But the point was this is Reb Shimon from nach the Maro. Reb Shimon from nach the Maro, that cloud of masis in the later Reb Shimon doesn't apply. And therefore says the Satmar Rav, the Ru'ach Einayan had the void in his reasoning.