Menachos 40

Today's is and we are at the very top line the very first word of today's being learned as Benra. So we're moving along in the fourth paracis dealing with related to there's a in the first says that the is the par of the says in par this is insec There's to wear the very next there's a mitzvah to where is say from the of the of we learned that in the event that there was a collision between the of tites would trump it would be and this is a that is so for example in the event that somebody has a beggar that's made of pishim it has four corners as a result there's an obligation to put on sites sits inherently involves wool the reason is because one or some of the of the tits were made of which means blue wool in the event that you're going to put sits. Now on this bead, you're going to have shness because the beard itself is made of pishim and the sits itself has in it. from the fact that is from the fact that there's a between the is telling us that the of is of thus this would have an obligation to have tites. It would be okay to put the tites on this bead and then go and wear that beet. stating that the Gmorra now is about to present the bra where we are going to see that this of is not as we might have thought prior to learning today's and on that note says that's made of pitchon and there's a question now puts it is not put it says says the be is part from says the be And then the concludes that you want to know what is so this of is in fact is between according to according to Rashi adds that when the B says according to B it doesn't just mean but it's more than that it means and according to B when we say it's but there's a bigger over here you'd be allowed to wear it. But the bottom line is as it relates to it's between according to according to says that how could it be that Bami holds its potter isn't there and then it says you have to say that is not and if B is not so he doesn't have a to say that the sites would have the ability to be And it's for that reason he holds is going to be which says doesn't just mean it means as well. Now the truth is you have to ask does that mean that holds that there's no if the is of doesn't hold of that so it would almost be back of the envelope arithmetic that doesn't hold or if you want to say the question if holds so forget about the pass at the end today is whatever the might be and based on that should be and it should be okay to wear. So this is a that's beyond the scope of what we're going to do. For now what we need to know is there was between and where the is is according to which means according to which means and the says you want to know who we ask in like it's who we almost always pass in like and that is now the says add it and they opined as well. So usually if there's between it's an opensh shut case and that would seem to be the end of the conversation stating that said that I have a because any person that wears on a older people will look at this person as if he's doing something wrong implying that it's not okay to wear and if that's the must be like said I disagree is like I want to know this observation why is it that element it's for a different reason it's because the and really the said that despite the fact that is and but they went ahead and said it's a problem and the reason is it's because they were concerned that the average person is not going to know that although there's an but when it's when you have that say of then it's and they were concerned that people would see someone wearing thinking there's no so because people were not therefore the said that we have to shut it down we can't allow and that's why but it's not because But it's simply because of some sort of so let's just hit the pause button for one second. What emerges is that inherently is between and even what emerges is that it's not okay to wear not because there's no not because there's no but like rebi said so I think before learning the first five lines of today's daf you would have thought for sure is again that's 101 stating that we see it's garnish number one according to his and even it's from that this was something that was not okay was the meaning of the reason they answered it was but the bottom line is according to it's and even according to this is something that albeit is going to be awesome now The next part of today's daf and it's really the next and change the garra is going to go along with what rebi said and that is that although basil holds that is which means that it's okay to wear but at the same time the and the gumar is going to discuss different reasons why the might have asked it. Now Rebi right out of the gate said but as we'll see the garra is going to fall off of what Rebi said and it's for that reason the garra is going to suggest reason after reason after reason and uh where the is going to give different suggestions as it is to why the would have said is a problem even though it's really okay. So again said that is which means it's and the reason is told I don't understand why the would have felt that they should just say is because of the people that don't that there's a between wearing or wearing when it's a would have made more sense to go they should take 10 people they should go out to the and meaning have 10 people wearitzes and like this all of a sudden the are going to see wherever you turn people are wearing and that's going to create some sort of py that must be is really m and then people will understand the distinction between stop wearing shis versus wearing. So the says that they don't want to do this, right? Responded to and he told them the reason is because if 10 people would go and start wearing this, it wouldn't make it better. It would actually make it worse. Now you have so many people doing it, people would for sure think sh is mut. So this pimus wouldn't improve the situation. It would actually backfire. The gar says okay. But the more obvious followup the leadership to just go ahead and be meanwhile the rabbis put up right and let everybody know that this is really okay that despite the fact there's a lot of shness but when it's at in that situation it's going to be okay meaning because of such a so they shut down the entire Indian of this would seem to be more reasonable just go ahead and be dishar then it's really fine says you're And because of this we have to bead a new reason why Kazal went ahead and said this is going to be a problem. Why the frowned upon it and the reason is because we know that there was once upon a time fraudulent there was a fake type of so the realas came from the but there was a fake plant-based that was known as kala elon. Now the kala elon looked very very much like and it was almost difficult to even distinguish between the two. The point is what would be if somebody would take of he would color it with and he would put it on then being that he's not being m the mitzvah of titis. Why is he not being the mitzvah of tits? Because he doesn't have realas. What would emerges is that he's wearing shness because he has the begg of piston and he has the the of the value of having the benefit of the mitzvah of and as a result what would come out is is he's being so being that there's a for that reason they shut it down. Now just appreciate this a little bit better once upon a time was a real problem. see in the Garas that this was a a fraudulent type of kalis that unfortunately had penetrated the market. So being that knew there was a real issue of every time a person's wearing it might be a fake. It might be so to allow it on a regular what are you going to do? You're not going to shut down but when you're dealing with the even though it's okay but because of it makes sense to shut down ask follow question. Let's say a person would taken and there would be there'd be no is that a problem at the end of the day let it be but love is also and this is based on the fact that is not the mitzvah of right so as much as there is a mitzvah to wear but we know it's not it's the first of today don't says the what are you worried about even if you would have so you' have you would still have that you would still have this so who cares at the end of the day you still have what you have even though it's true that And it's true that if somebody wears which means that or even without you could be okay because is going to be but at the same time we know there's a rule when it comes to that the only time we say I say is when it's not but it's then already we don't say I say so let's just speak out the ter in the event that you're wearing. So it's with unless you're wearing and the reason is because by definition is so there you're going to say it's fine. If however you're not wearing and you're wearing or you're wearing being that it's being that you don't need because the just make you don't say and it's for that reason it's going to be a prompt. Let's get inside being that it's if all you have is love on you don't say anytime you have an if you could do both that's best and if not but the point is that the only time you say is in the event that there's no if however there's an you can't say if you're going to wear If however it's going to end up with which was often the case. So then you're ending up not having an it's for that reason just shut it down. They said it's really okay but it's not going to be okay. But says, "I still don't understand because why can't you just say that there will be some sort of vad and they're going to be says all the all the vats that we use to die and they're going to make sure that there's no meaning. Why did they have to again shut down? What they should have said was is that let's enforce in a much stronger way, right? Let's be a little bit more aggressive, a little bit more proactive about getting rid of all the so like this you'll know that there's no thus if somebody wants to wear a sit as with a there's nothing to be worried about it's going to be fine. So the says because of this you have to say was something else was something else it was. So what does this mean? So there's actually two in Rashi. But the second lotion of Rashi is that what Tima means is so timi says in it was some sort of like a DMA right it was like a sample. So the dy would have these strings these samples of you know what the is going to look like you know just to show the potential customers. the were worried that a person might take this tim this sample and he would use it as the for his sits and if he does that it's going to be a problem. The reason it's going to be a problem is because sits has to be prepared and this timma was prepared as a sample hence it certainly wasn't prepared. If somebody's going to take this to and he's going to put it put it on his begging that it's not so what it's gonna emerge as he was if it's going to come out he's been so because of a concern of it'll be not because that you'll eradicate but the itself would be not have made that's why the way but the says there's a way to circumvent this as well why can't you write it on a disc says they could have written letters and sentim to different places to let them know that uh it's not okay to use these not okay to use these right to use these uh samples. So why don't you go ahead and just notify the world that these samples are not okay and like this you'll never have to be worried about such a concern. So the Gamarra says you mean to tell me that you can rely like on the post office you can rely on these discies and that in it of itself would prevent people from being that doesn't seem like a reliable thing but says how could you say that both of which involve somebody if somebody eats cars yet we know with the disc we on the postal service. How do you know that? Rashi says because when they used to be they would notify people by this service. So you see that we relied on the service of the disc for something that's when it comes to tit where all it is is an alma truth is in the event that somebody's going to wear the shness it's going to be as well. But the bottom line is like so certainly over here this should be okay. So it can't be that the Indian over here was because of the diskya. So said I said and I heard that init said what I said. Meaning I heard I was and that is the reason probably why shut down the because we're concerned that maybe the begged of the sadden may tear. Which part of it is gear? It's theim that shear by the corner of the which is the place where there's sites is okay. And then a person's going to go ahead and he's going to reso it. He's going to sew it using of pishon right because the bag was made of pishon. And what he's going to end up doing is here's the punch line. Rashi says he's going to end up leaving one of those that he just used to sew as one of the strings of the tits. Then he's going to add the proper tits. But one of the strings are going to be from that bag and the said that when somebody makes s you have to make it in the right way in this situation you need to make it in the right way. You can end up with can't be it's for that reason this is not something that's going to be okay. So what does this mean? So again we know is that have to be made and if you don't make then the are going to be possible right? It has to be made in this situation where a person is going to leave one of the strings that he was sewing to be one of the strings of the it's going to come out that string wasn't put there. Which means that even if later you're going to decide that you want to leave it there but if it wasn't made that in of itself is going to be a problem in this situation then you don't have a sites. If you don't have a a you don't have the ability to be it's for that reasonal felt that they had to shut down the whole institution of it's because of a situation like this says removed the senses that he had from his says this is what meant when he said that I heard that I was to he meant this m right here that within you see clearly that he held that this is something that's going to be an issue stating that the says there was another and why did this and that was not because but rather was related to that maybe in the event that is going to you might end up putting onusa that's a bag that's worn specifically at night And being that it's not which means that so if you're going to go ahead you're going to put on you may do it on as well and it's for that reason this is something that said is not going to be okay. So either way this concludes the first part of the I think it's to make a very very quick. So again I think before today's if you ask somebody is it okay is it not okay you would say for sure it's okay. Stating that we see now it's says not okay said it's okay. Okay, so we'd still be right because like yeah but not 100%. And the reason is it was clear that they frowned upon it which means that felt that any person that wore it's okay but it's really not okay. This is something that's awesome. you not let it go hey you now let it wear climate status and the question is why and if you go through the garra the garra gave several reasons the first reason the gamarra suggested was rebi seemed to have said this because not everybody knew the of and if you get aware people might think that itself is so that's the reason they felt it's not okay the second suggestion the said was what's going to happen if instead of wearing and can't You'll tell me even if you're wearing but at the end of the day you're still wearing right people don't wear yes but also no because the only time you say is where it's being over here you're not wearing so you might as well wear it's and based on that you're not going to be the third reason the suggested was was because of this sample that sometimes was used. So because of that maybe that would be a reason another issue maybe it's maybe the is going to tear you're going to sew it you're going to leave one of the strings there that's a problem and as a result it's going to come that can be and finally fifth that emerged from the was but either way even though it's the but at the end of the day it's something that's awesome but it's something that's also I said the following and I heard that in said the same thing in other words so why are we mentioning this because this is the identical sign to the previous right said regarding so here we have another such says he shall beg it in the event that you have begged that's made up of a material that's but the corners of the bag where you put the made of R they're made of like some leather is the is going to be what would be if the begg is made of and only the corners are made of in that situation it's going to be what's the reason what you need is that the should be aggreg that in itself is going be okay. So what does this all mean? In order for there to be a you need a bag, right? Right, you have to have a bag. What's the definition of a bag? So the truth is that was yesterday's because we had the says wherever it says begged it means either pishim or then we had the other that said from different types of silks. So really it's a sh whatot is but one thing is clear is not a bagot. So if you have something that's made of leather, it's made of hide, it's not a bag. And the way we know that is because the sometimes will say so from the fact that the says are so clearly and are not the same thing. So is what is but is not a beggar. Okay. So here's the question. If somebody would have a a begg of or the corner of the bag would be R, what would be the related? So said ra I hold and I heard I was that we don't care about the corner of the bagot we care about the bagot itself. So if the beggot itself is a baggot quote unquote seam piston still depending on what position you take in that sh even if the corner of the bagot is made of R it's going to be if however the actual bagget is made of R and the corner is made of bag then you're going to be because we don't care about the corner the corner is bled to the bag we care about the bag as long as you're gonna be saying that was he said that you look at the big dam right big look at the corner if the corner is a bag then it's considered a bagad I actually don't care what the bag it is. All we care about is the corner. So just a tiny bit of an introduction to this next. So a few lines ago the gumar mentioned the idea of and we a little bit glossed over it. The says and we learn from there. By the way, where else in do you find the idea of right there too? There's a concept of what does mean? What it means is that when you make tits, when you put the tits on the bag, it has to be kosher. If at the time that you make this tit, it's not kosher. Even if later you do something that makes it, it's too late. It has to be once it's ready. At that point, you can't make it into you're a day late and a dollar short. Now, how did it come up in the gar earlier? Because the was discussing why would be and he said, I heard that said like me. Maybe the begges are the lower three are going to tear. you're going to go ahead and sew it and leave one of the pishon there. That's possible. The reason is because that wasn't put. It was put there as part of the sewing process. If you're going to then go and put you're not you're being for that reason it's going to be a problem. At that point you're for sure being that that other should be part of the true being that when you put it was a problem you want to go now and somehow shaft something later it's already too late because being that it wasn't so therefore it's something that's going to to be an issue mentioned idea of and the context in which it mentioned it is where you had where the was put there by the now is going to expand on the idea of and we'll see this in terms of how far we could expand it but we're the gumar is going to address it now is in a situation where somebody puts on a bag where the sites wasn't possible it's not like that previous case where the sits were put their which is a but rather somebody puts but the bag at that time that You put the tits on was not as we'll see in the do you say there too if later it becomes is a problem or do you not say that that's the so again with the senses what if the senses were not put in the event that somebody had a bag that had only three corners if you have only three corners right you have to have four corners of the bag and he put tites on the three corners and then you went ahead and you made a fourth corner and now you want to put on the fourth corner it's going to be possible because when you put the three corners on there was no so now you changed it it's already too late if they were ever weaving a bag as soon as the bag was already three big which in is considered the minimum that a beggar has to be. So once it was of agg they would immediately put the on and the reason is because they didn't want to have a beggar that didn't have on it. Now what's the cash? The cash is that when the beggar is it's not yet. So if it's not it says what do you mean they were later when the becomes it says it's going to be a problem of you have to say that there's no problem of either is a problem of what must the distinction be the distinction must be that when you say that's when you put the but in this situation when you're not putting the just it's not yet must be there's between being and not being so again If you have a beggar that has three corners and you put tits and then you make a fourth corner and you put the tit it's a so you see from it's a perfect comparable it wasn't like that because they had a beggar that was only gimllet a beggar of not yet and they would put the on it and later when it became the proper they were and you see there was no issue of now why is it that a beggar that's not so there's two reasons One reason Rashi says is is simply because it's too small. So being that it's too small. So that's too small. It's not. Now what's the proper sh? So we're actually going to see this at the very end of today's it has to be that and that's is even too small for that. So simply the beggar just was not yet of the shar where it's another reason is because even if this beggot had the right shear but the objective of these was for sure to make the big baget bigger which meant that the side that they were going to continue weaving on and expanding the corners that it had right then and there were not the corners that they were going to have they were going to be mat those corners which means that you can reckon those confo as being confo so you look at it as a beggan not of arba confo But of onlyice and is for sure not a culture. But either way that is the how could you tell me that if you put that's not yet you see from the not that way and for the you have to say the story the way we presented it was wrong. What they did was not as soon as the bag had gimlet they would be but when they were almost finished weaving the bag and they were within three from being finished that's when they would go ahead and do it a whole different story. Not when it was only gimllet but to the contrary when it was gimllet on the back end over here already there's no issue. Why is there no issue? Because number one, the beggar is already big enough. And number two, what are you worried? You're going to expand it, but you're already within the she that you're not expanding it that much. You're within the gimlet. And being that you're already within the gimlet, it's not considered an expansion. That's being those corners. So you have the right you have four corners. No problem. do meaning in such a situation. If you have a bag that has already and it has tites on the dial conf and then you go ahead and you add another set of tits, you put tits on all four corners. So the is in the event that you remove the originals, it's going to be kasha. What's the kasha? The kasha is this is also tasinos because when you put the second set of tits on at that point you didn't need the second set of tits. Why didn't you need it? Because you had a first set of tits which means that wasn't put the shame tits. So if later you remove the original set and now you're left with the second one. Why is that not so again says the I have a that even though there's an idea of that's only when I put but to the extent that you see there's no problem because if that was a problem then would be a problem but the says defended the position remember was the one that said in the name of right he's the one who has this expanded understanding of all says he needs to defend this so he defended it he being that over here this person when he put on the second set of tits he was so it comes out that when he put the tits on we don't look at it as really putting the titas on and if that's the case if later when you remove the original there's no problem the only time there's an issue of is if when you put the tit on originally you put it on but if it's not considered a type and that it's not considered a so later if it ends up becoming there's no issue of a papa didn't agree with this if this person goes ahead and he was hit you're assuming he was right you're assuming that he came now to be he wanted eight sets of uh of sites right two on each corner thus maybe what he really wanted to do was maybe he just wanted to be the first pair of tits. Maybe what he wants to do is he wants the second pair and not the first pair and he has no intention of having two sets. He's going to remove the first set in which case he's not really incidentally discussed. Is that true? So pushy not isn't there an idea of I don't know maybe even if you have to be you too late so what right now you have two sets of ses on each corner. So this is but the bottom line is said it's not that this person was to be over maybe he was too late in the event he was to do that he's not over and if that's the case and if that's the case you actually do have a good and if it's well then then this would seem to be a not like so just to make a on this part of the there's an element of that everybody he agrees is true and that is if you put sites on a beggar with sits as apostle even if later you figured out a way it's already too late the sh is what would be if you put on a begg's no but at the same time you weren't the mitzvah of and really what emerges from the is two examples one example would be where the begg wasn't another example would be where the beggot already has in those cases is there a not said in the name of in the neighbor of Clearly he held yeah the asked from defended it. Raapa didn't like the defense which would seem then to emerge that when said that's a that's a not like which is a little interesting because we had the two previous according to the way understood this would be an example where in the laws of where it's delay either way moving along another related to related to does not involve. Okay, we knew that here's even if the talis itself is still there's going to be no of so says in the name the name of the great no even if the talis says now the garra is going to have a little bit of a discussion of what this means but if you look at the bottom rashi rashi throws out there what it is clear the garra thinks That sits has no and if you look at the side of the gim. So the gear is the so if you have uh that are made up of pish and you tie it to a bag there's no even if the bag is part from sites. So that's from there's going to be no iss that has no you're allowed to put up on this and there's no says statue learn that's big enough that at least a can wear it and he cover and at the very least would walk out with says he wouldn't be embarrassed to walk out to the shook in the event that it's so small that can be even if go out with it wouldn't be embarrassed to wear it and the same is true regarding again we have to continue before we see the catch and asks regarding This B what does the B mean when it concludes with these words the same is true regarding doesn't mean that the same is true regarding the we learned in meaning that is that if the is not that there's no meaning if the cotton is so then but if he's not misgassible there's no and there's no is that true we learned inn know that there's no meaning I don't care when it comes to if the would be or it wouldn't be either way it would make no difference there would always be an is how could you tell me that is there's no you see when it comes to we don't right says the said that what the meant to say was when it said it meant to say the same is true with regards to that in the event that you have a talis the talis is so small that is but what do you see from here that although it's true that when it comes to but that's only a that's not a that's again trying to figure out what does mean doesn't mean with there's no way because I have a Bryson that says that if you have a talis even if it's something that the potter and there's an so what does this mean says you want to know what means what it means is limues. What it means is that in the event that there were tits on it already, there were sits and you want to go ahead now and you want to add uh a pair of tits on top of the titas that are already here, right? So you want to go now and you want to add a pair of tits is that's something that's going to be okay and there's not going to be an isol. So when he didn't mean the talis doesn't have the sh the has the what he meant was that the talus has sites on it already. You would have thought if the talis has ses so how could I go ahead now and how could I add on top of that sites of klay the I don't need to put it there. So if I don't need to put it there. So the it should be a problem here's the that even though there's already titas on top of it still this is something that's going to be okay. You could have thought not because there's already titas there then know it's going to be okay. This that you're allowed to put on a beggar that already has sits is related to what said earlier and that is that in the event that somebody puts sits on a beggar that already has sites it's it's going to be okay right because if you hold that mutelis is ple then there's no way putting the sits on top of this beggar now are going to be fine and the Reason is is because they they could never be cultures. Right? Again, let's get thisa case clear. The case where somebody has a bag of the bag of already and now you're adding another pair of tits and that other pair of tits involves shness. So, we're saying that it's going to be okay if that second pair of can never be kosher because right now you don't need it. So, it's not. If anything, you're probably being right now. And even if you're going to remove the original pair of tits, it's still going to be a problem of so then there's no way in the world that these are good. And if that's the case, there's no way that it should be okay to be able to wear this. What the are notes already said that in the event that you add to and then you remove the originals, the second ones are going to be fine. There's not going to be a problem. So really the only way this makes sense is the asks said it already. meaning this is just the same the same that said he's saying that is going to be okay why would why have to say it twice mean the holds that these two are so that it's almost redundant so it's a once said I know for sure would tell us even if the second one is it's going to be fine the says no didn't say it twice only said it once He didn't say it a second time. What he said it was only one time. But from that one time that said went ahead and they extrapolated another idea and that is that from the fact that oh must be must be that which means we so it's true one for sure emanates from the other. I asked why have to say it twice. He didn't say it twice. He said it once and the second one we only know from the first one. If you look at say that which one did say he said the first one said and from there we deduce that says it can't be. And the reason is because the second is right and the first was only actually says the other way that said in the name of which means and from there we must be tell is not going to be then for sure it's not going to be okay. Now there is a huge over here and that is that Rashi already addresses that it's a very big that you should say on a talis that's potter mean it's a very bigish to say that I'm allowed to put shness on a a begged or I'm allowed to put on a begg that where there's going to be where I don't really need the where I don't have a to go ahead and and put on the tit because the only reason is is because I say but to the extent that there's no for me to put these sites on so there's no necessity for the so I mean you don't say right so for sure there should be no over here of saying if you look at rashi seems to say that it's from this that is not the but rather it's there's no when it's in the presence of tites this is again another big uh Indian today's was a very lad we just uh did a hashtag no raid but we are going to baser hashem stop