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Today's daff is me and we are 15 lines from the bottom of moving along in sugaling with sits another festa fest from a rate perspective it's one daf that's really five but hopefully we'll go through the daf and then at the end speak a little bit about who How many strings are tits made up of? So if you look at your tits, you know that your tits on each corner have four that go through the hole which when they hang down are eight. But this tells us the rest of the story says that there's four strings of which later become eight. Says it's three that later become six. Interesting. How long do the titas have to be? And the way Rashi explains after you make the after you make the knots beneath that how long do the have to be says for according to B it has to hang down for its beneath the knots according to B it's only three say when say that it's What kind of three are we referring to? Three is it means one which is 1/4 of a as we'll see in a moment that the shear of a teac was always referred to by kazal in terms of how many it's made out of but sometimes you're going to find the that's made up of four. Sometimes a that's made up of five. Sometimes a that's made up of six. How's the possible tak is a tak. So either it's four it's five it's six. The terret is it depends which finger are we talking about? If you're talking about the thumb which is a thicker finger, it's 14th of a. So there's four thumbs to the five middle fingers and six pinkies. Either way, when Bul says it's four, we mean four of the larger four thumbs is. made up of four thumbs, six pinkies and five middle fingers as it relates is which are dalid and just remember dalid. Remember the number four how so number one it's four like said number two it has to be within for of the corner of the bag in order for it to be considered to have been on the dollar and it has to hang down for its place as well. So Rafa said chain dollar chain which is aish because he's petting in two regards like number one he's posing like that it's four and not three number two he's saying it has to be it has to be hanging down for its boys and not three says gimmel no it's not dollar but rather it's gimble gimble gimble it has to be threein which later becomes six it has to be within three spice of the corner of the bag and it has to be hanging down three heads but not four. What's the bottom line said is not dollar. It's not gimmel gimmel gimmel. It's dollar gimmel. You start off with gimmel has to be within three spice of the corner of the baguette and then it has to hang down says this is all suggesting that there's a shear of how long the tes have to be. I'll ask you a word suggests that it hangs and at the same time it doesn't suggest the meaning it could be even fact and they all went to the and they were discussing the laws of and they said has no interesting they said the same is true regarding alulv laugh doesn't it mean that there's no sh at all. So again we have two rias that sits has no number one the word sits is ain't somehow that's related to the the word itself and there was a story with and they all said no what it means is if you want to have those that hang all the way down to the floor that's okay. question is if it could sweep the floor which is less a sh with sits is more sh with andes that's a whole different discussion for a whole another day but the point is that technically they can be as long as you want them but there is a minimum said that similarly as it relates to there's no shar as well is that true cloud but we're going to the lul that auda came and Rapa said that there were there there was confusion there was a misus dollar gimmel gimmel Gimmel and Republic was it's gimmel dal daled meaning that the the amount of you need to put into each k of the bag is four and not three giml has to be within three spice of the corner of the bag and dalid has to hang down for what's interesting is rapa was pasing like bish because the first dollar and the second doll giml the two dollids were really a subject of dispute amongst the Tan specifically Bash and Bil and in both cases Bashame said Bashame said B said only three said has to hang down it's B said only has to hang down three boys. So a pup is passing like which is very because we know the rule is gonna be like but right now the is always like and in fact that we referenced yesterday brings for who said in the first one is in terms of the which is the and that I'm just reading We spoke about that yesterday. Like our papa came out. So the sites that we wear today follows B. We mentioned yesterday quickly the Gmoro about Rabbarano in Babasal when the Arab merchant showed him the took him sightseeing in in the midbar and he showed him the me midbar and he ripped off a corner of one of the beadim of the of one of the meidbar he wanted to bring it back to base mat so they can analyze the laws of tits and then he couldn't move so he left it there and and they came to him and they asked him they said why'd you leave it there at the very least you should have looked you should have been what was he supposed to See, so if you look at that a little bit more clearly, you look at the rest of the story. They said, "Look at how many were there. Were there eight or six? Was it four or was it three? Is the like or is the like?" Interesting. Either way, the word suggests that something's hanging down over there. It's referring to a blur, like a chop. But the point is is that's what the word means. It has to be like the like this blur is that our used to wear which was tied together at the top and it just loosened more at the bottom which is the way the titas are. You're supposed to make it tight at top and then at the bottom it drapes down. Oh yeah. Like if the titas were put on the corner literally on the corner you affixed it to the corner of the bag. What we do is we put it a little bit higher, right? And there's like a little loop and then it hangs down from beneath over here. It was literally put on the corner of the bag. Oh yeah, like dill. Or if there was a hem on the bottom of the bag and you put it on the hem said that the tit has to be on the car itself. So it's not enough that it's attached to the car, but the tit need to be touching the corner, which is what we do. We have that loop that goes around the corner. So it sits as our and Rav said I know it from a van. It's not just on attached to the but it's on it's it's touching it's clapping against such a it must be because according to the you're allowed to put it on the corner. So it's going to be hanging from the corner but it's not going to be clapping on the corner. It's not going to be literally You have to make sure that it is far from the corner mean right there's not a lot of from but he's whenever we have like him. However, it's worth mentioning with a rush has a and he says we have a that is 102 places the of the word with follows but it doesn't mean every single time but regardless like soak in the name of now elaborated on this of that says that it can't be literally on the corner it has to be Okay. So, how far from the corner of it? From the top of your thumb down to the to the knuckle of your thumb, which is by the way approximately Gimllet's voice. If that's the case, then essentially what was saying was what had already said he said. So the two the two bookmarks was the two that said like but what's the middle that was referring to that it had that it has to be within three. So essentially and are saying the same thing or be it in different words said it has to be said which is also so aren't they saying the same thing in other words it's a why is just saying the same thing is who came later I mean I would have thought I always only had so I would have thought what It has to be he just told you how close to the corner it has to be. So I would think it can't be further than but the closer it is to the corner maybe it's a good thing. It's said no but it has to be at least three. How about it can't be closer than three. Maybe you can make it as far as you want and maybe it's even better the further you do it says in other they were both saying but one was saying how close it should be the other one was saying how far it should be papa was saying it has to be within three meaning it can't be further ra was saying it has to be at least three it can't be closer so between the two I know there's an exact a precise place where you're supposed to put the you're supposed to put the titas and you're supposed to split the titas within three eggs saw the corner of Ra's bag. He saw the were closer than three spies from the corner of the bag. It was like very close to the corner. He told him, "Do not hold sees there." And he tells Ra, "Do you not hold that? It has to be at least three head spies removed." He told him of course I hold like he said in the name of course I know the but that was when you make the it has to be that way but it doesn't mean that if later the tit a little bit or the bag tears a little bit and it comes a little closer to the corner it's no worries you don't have to worry about it it doesn't make this so the says where heard that he was a little embarrassed he was embarrassed that ravina was able to prove him wrong meaning he thought he had a kina he gives nice muser very aidal And Ra told him, "You're making a mistake. You don't even know the you're giving me about the and and it's a that you didn't properly research. You didn't know that it's true. There's an or it can't be but that's only with regards to the so he turned to Raashi and you know he had this embarrassed look on his face only told him don't feel bad meaning I mean he's af he's he's an we're from so you're right one of him is greater than two of us the point is is that ra because he came from that's why he had a special so if you upgra from a babylonian scholar maybe that'd be a reason to be a little embarrassed but for the fact that it's coming from an that's really a whole different story because so you can't say this kamar without digressing for a And that is is that it's just interesting that theor in his chuva that we reference a lot in simal where he goes through his abs he says whenever there's ra and raashi so we know raashi together wrote the bi so whenever there's is between raashi that is like ra and he says even though the say the ravashi was ra's whatever but still that is like ra you know why because raid lived in and raashi lived in and And it's a and it's for that reason whenever there's a is going to be like so we've spoken out this in the past the somewhere says whenever there's like also and he also was we suggested that maybe this is related to the fact that even though the bottom is that it's not. So it's funny that maybe again this is brings on this already but the bottom line is is and also because he was the god there's a concept in no less of but there's a a very important in and the context over there is used to make comments sometimes about the yidden that were living in Bav and over where famously quipped he said regarding the Babylonian scholars because they live in a very dark gloomy cloudy kind of environment. So all the tyra they say is is is murky. That's the way their tyra comes out. And the brings a tr from the ram that the ram discussed the state of affairs that was going on in bwell and init at the times of the and and the ram says that not all times not all were created equally. He says there were times was much easier to learn and b over because there was persecution in. And then he says he says there were times where it was easier to learn than it was in. And he says because times it was it was it was a great time to learn Tyra and B was very hard. There were persecutions going on in Bavl. And then the Rambam says but in the times of Ravashi for example it was just the opposite. He says in the times of Raashi then in Bavl and he says look what Raashi did. wrote the Talmet right who was and says what did they three all three have in common they all contributed wrote the Mishna and Raashi wrote the half fascinating and he said to have been able to undertake something like that it wasn't enough to be great in Toryra but you had to be you had to have gdula also it was tora of the it's moherenu it's raash but the ram says things must have been good above at that time you must have been able this is the ram the historian talking says the ra the times of raashi and the fact that he wrote the babi things were better so it always bothered me on the kavar says whenever there's why and what's the riot to say such as it comes from the raan says about but learn the truth Raam the Ram says it was different Kufas. He says because of what was going on at that time. But then when the Ram brings an example of aua where B was it was even easier to learn. What's his example? It's Ravashi. Maybe this Gamar is this Ravashi talking. Raashi said clear. Ravashi himself said he confessed it. Raashi said he tells don't be embarrassed from the fact that that ra stumped you so to speak because either way we have a lot of ra to get to when he used to make soak made is not the way we make sites today. What he would do is he would take the fourin like Bisham, right? He would fold it over and he would take the loop side of now the eight. So he didn't put it through the tenses yet. What we do is we put four senses through the hole. He put eight through the hole. See he first doubled it over, put it through. You have a little loop on the side and he would take the eight strings, run it through the loop. Exactly. And he would fasten it. And that's how he had it. Why did he do that? Because he had the eight which is out from Gilad is you don't just need eight hanging. You need eight going to but only eight hung held like he also that you have to put eight through but he held that you put eight through and then 16 are supposed to hang there. He didn't tie it the way did and then finally and he did it the way we do this next is a classic he was making and he made and then he concluded he said my [ __ ] what is what is this that I'm hearing is somebody making goa He said, "No way. Rafa Rafa passed away all remember enters B madish and he asked the steering rap why they had to wait until Rafa passed away is for another day. So now walks in. So he he walks in and he said did really say that you don't make I have a name. How do you know that is not allowed to make only a nonjew is not allowed to make tites and felt that was a steer? What's a steer? Could Rav have said that you don't make a tit but ra is not allowed to make tites. Why is that a steer? What does one have to do with the other? That two very important. One is you don't make a ones and the other one is that is not allowed to make but said let me explain to you the hell any mitzvah that a guy is allowed to do when a does the mitzvah he doesn't make but any mitzvah that a guy is not allowed to do or if he would do it would be it wouldn't be a proper and if he does it he has to make a and that was this said if any is not allowed to make sites then by definition it means it falls under the cl of how could have said that when you make tites you don't make a if that's the case it's a ste because raises if you can't make sites then by definition it means says and this is going to take us to the end of our part of the not to the end of the d but at the end of where we're going to stop says is this a real rule meaning anytime a guy can do something he can make is you don't make a if a guy can't do it then you do make a what about you can have a non-Jewish who's the right non-Jewish it's okay a city that doesn't have a Jewish doctor or someone that's qualified to do but there's an that's a or so the say it's more preferable for the to do for the just the opposite but the bottom line is is that either the or the could do it the question is who comes first so you see in any is cautioned to do what's the but of course when you do says we're discussing and raised how do you know that a risk in the name of it says his family only you're allowed to do only you were commanded to do only you can do the physical circumcision And we learned from there we spoke at a lot of rate on this and a lot of fun rate but either way said bottom line is not so it's not a the fact that we make is not inconsistent with this rule and raard such a law that says that anytime a cannot do something you make a iM can't domita. Yeah, there's that not that way. But maybe Tanu Paul and Grahel that is allowed to is not allowed to do. If that's the case, it's not inconsistent with the rule. But the ask you another in other words a riot to the rule from and to the what's the build for you? Ask your local rabbi everything. So that's one of the things mentioned this is okay. If somebody makes a for himself when you sit down in the says that we make both when we sit in the but the point is you don't make a why because it's very nice with this rule. You know why we don't make a bra on? Because anytime a to do something, we don't make a bra on it. Your shi of course holds you do make a mitzvah. It's only so but I'll ask you a right villain. That's obvious. All of the affforementioned are not allowed to write and we learn from there and being that the isot and are as a result they're as If sitting down to write doesn't make those are the two you make but you don't make a why not why don't you make a what's the cash the is is that if you're going to tell me that anytime a guy can't do something then you make a this is this rule which was the basis of that being that can't make so therefore you should make how could have thought that is a so we had a from we we g we were able to answer that we have a raya from So works out very neatly but again what's the you see clearly from that is not the right fill in at the same time you don't make a fill because the only you make on are you make you don't make a says the so you want to know in terms of the rule of thumb when you make the and when you don't make the we're not going back to we're just reconciling on no on fill it right when milo says it's a discussion so how do you know when exactly to make a not right we have different rulings here for different classes of mitzvah so how do you know what to do the rule must be like this mitzvah every that is the that's the mitzvah itself according to the mitzvah and any mitzvah is not the only when you actually put the on so the same way. Oh, what about punch line whether or not you should make the what's that? heard because that you're supposed to make a and was very he said no you don't make a what's the sh the when you put on the beet right then and there are you if it's a then is it's then you're supposed to make the that's where but if it's so that means it's when the person's wearing it that's when the is so then you're not going to make the until later So apparently or others had a gear that held that make and how did he know that only is allowed to make? I heard just the opposite. How do you know that a guy is allowed to make it doesn't say should be telling to hire right someone to make for you. That's essentially what it says. So it's it should be made for them. Just the opposite should hire other people to do it on their behalf. That's the way is supposed to be made. So this P is not a that a guy cannot make. It's just the opposite. This pos gives him a car that a guy can make tits exhale.