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Today's d is and we are at the on the very top line of so the topic of today's daf is going to be the different types of that one was able to bring to the mikdash and as a result just a very brief introduction. So the parishes right in the beginning of says if somebody decides that he wants to bring and the carbon that he's going to bring is not going to be it's not going to be but rather it's going to be a carbon it's something he can do stating that he has to follow the certain guidelines his carbon should be made out of soyus that's flour the and he should add to his carbon. And then the describes the process that we're very familiar with from learning. He should bring it to the going to do from this mixture of the takes the he's on the heav on the as well. What about the remainder of the it's only eaten by the bottom line is is that's the classic prototypical carbon stating that that's only one type of that a person was able to bring to fulfill his of carbon but there's other options as well continues carbon What would be if the person would say that I want to bring a car but specifically what the calls literally that's baked in an oven. So we'll get back to this ping later in the d. But here the tyra gives a a much briefer description of exactly how this carbon is supposed to be brought. In fact it doesn't say anything about kamita. It doesn't say anything about it doesn't say anything about. All it says is that this person can bring a min. It doesn't have to be the typical that we're so familiar with. But it could be a mas. Additionally, the Tyra seems to describe two forms of number one. The Tyra says that it should be which would seem to suggest that this will be mixed. It's going to be mixed together with oil. That has a different connotation. It seems like it's just going to be smeared with oil, but it's not actually going to be mixed with oil. Again, a lot more about that in today's D. Then the Torah mentions a third type of if this person chooses to fulfill his with also okay here the is going to be like all with the exception of the it had to be here the Torah describes a different process where you have to take the after it's fried and you have to break into pieces. And then the T describes a fourth. What if the terror talks about the terror does mention and again the terror talks about the then the terrorist starts speaking generally about number one. Then the Torah talks about the bottom line is if you sit down and you take an accounting of what we just did the Torah seem to describe four types of that somebody can fulfill if he wants to bring a number one that's the classic you have you have you have you mix it up you do the ma etc etc additionally there's three other types of number one you have the maser which seems to come in two forms it can come either where the silus was or it can come where it was only then you have the and you have the so as we'll see in the coming weeks the garra is going to discuss in great detail it's not the next we actually be starting the next parabas that talks about the but after that the garra is going to come back and describe in detail the so really a lot more about that towards the latter part of the maka. But for now, the Gmorra is going to mention some important related to the three other that a person can bring to fulfill a minus we're very familiar with. We're going to be discussing the min and the Gmorra is going to discuss more the technical aspects of it less. Was there kam how was the kam done etc. etc. We'll leave that for the end of the if somebody says I want to bring a but he says specifically I want to bring a he can't bring he says he wants to bring he can't bring meaning the difference between the are just technical differences at the end of the day you want to bring a so you're right I said I'll bring a but really the is So if I bring a I'm fulfilling my that's what the Mishna says no if somebody says and here's the million-dollar question what is the difference between and clearly it was unclear why because you see it's clearly said the difference is is the when it was prepared. So it was prepared in a pot. That's the way it was fried. There was a covering on the pot while it was being prepared was prepared in the same exact pot. The difference is there was no that is the beginning and the end of the difference. The difference between the was the actual pot. The was prepared in a deep pot. The mas was prepared in a shallow pot. Mahavas because the mas was prepared in a because the makabas was prepared in this shallow part. What came was harder. What was produced and thus there was a physical difference between the and the one was softer, one was harder. The reason one was softer and one was harder was based on the pot it was prepared in. The one that was prepared in the deeper pot ended up being softer. That's the one that was prepared in the shallower pot that was harder. As a result, it was physically different. For that reason, it's called the Everybody would seem to agree that there was a physical difference at the end of the day between what was produced when you made a mas versus when you made a mash. The question is what caused that? Was it the type of pot that was used? It was a an amuka versus aafa or was the difference one had a kisoy? One did not have a key. What's the martial? Who was the first opinion of the Mishn that said the difference between the and the was that one had a other one did not have a marshes. Is it that really felt that the had a because the word comes from thoughts. In other words, maybe the isapp even though it's an but maybe it's on bad thoughts that a person had. Your thoughts are hidden from the world. They're concealed. Only knows your thoughts. As a result, that was his symbolism. That's his way of knowing that was prepared in a pot that had a cover to symbolize the fact that it's being that are covered. What about maybe that's coming through for or something that a person speaks such an where do you see that in the word he made sounds but the says maybe you find the word related to thoughts as well means to hide it's the word also suggests hidden and can mean maybe it means and she have a that person his lips were moving and the lion that you find is is so you can't tell me that the reason knew that the mares has a cover is because he held that the word suggest a that's covered it suggests something that's going on in your life thus it's covered whereas suggest open expose something not that you thought but rather something that you said because just like you can rationalize and you can come up with in meaning thoughts and is meaning I can flip it around. I can show you where it's just the opposite must be that he had a and it was based on the that he had that he said the difference between the and the is not that one had a the other one didn't have a but rather the difference is is that one was a deeper pot and the other one wasn't such a deep is how do you know that the was not So it says the knew his he felt it was in the when the describes the it says suggests like in the depth of the it's inside the it's something that has some depth to it. The is more on the surface because it was only let's say somebody says not that's easy. He says, "What's the question? Did he mean to take upon himself that he's going to bring a minash or did he mean to donate the pot that is which is the reason that the mas is called?" So did he mean to give a marash or does he mean to donate a pot to a pot that is a marash? So what's the said feels like what's the why did what was the suffic they weren't sure why the is called is the called because the kal this k that said was used to prepare the marash was called marashas is that the reason if that's the case marashas in would mean you're being the kali that's called mares. Thus, you're obligated to give a marshes. Well, maybe that pot that was a muka was not what was called mares. What was called mares was the ma was prepared in a way that a mares way that happened to have been used in a pot that was am. But the name of this pot was not was notes. As a result, if a person says, he can't mean the potas, you know why? Because there is no pot. So what he means is the that's prepared like the bottom line is that they weren't sure that's it was called whereas wasn't sure if the was called or the name came from the way that was prepared. Thus, they still was was pretty self-confident. They knew they said, "So, the Rashi gives us a little picture of exactly what this looked like. This U-shaped, the Rashi has a ashaped pan, that's what it looked like. If you put dough inside this pot and you prepared, you baked or fried the dough, what would come out would look like the apples that came from this place like the acorns that the Greeks used to eat. Either way, the bottom line is is that according to whether it was the pot that was called was the way that it was prepared that was called marashes, said no, it was absolutely the name of the pot. even had a description of what the spot looked like for the says says by the way the mash that way that we just saw a moment ago because what did the say it sounds like you're preparing the as if to say the is a physical thing it's not just a form of cooking or baking or frying it's a pot you're making it you're preparing it in the marshes or on the bes was one But the point is it sounds like it's the it's the so before we go Ver just one and that is when the Gmorra was discussing why the would be called the or why the would be called the Makavas. So the Gmorra said that maybe one is coming to be on the other one's coming to be on etc etc and maybe it's in the word is in the word mash but the felt that it didn't really work because you can argue that means you could argue that means you could argue that means you could argue that means where do you find that mares would mean deeper What do you see in the word says like people say his lips were moving. Now the truth is this line comes up in it's actually comes up in a very important that everybody's familiar with and that is of so you know that if somebody is involved in a transaction he says I'm going to buy something he makes a king and then he wants to beer. So you can't back out, right? Once you do something, you can't back out. Stating that gave a person a certain amount of time where he does have the ability to back out of something that he said or something that he did. There's a few exceptions to the rule, but ordinarily the is that of saying something or of doing something. You have an ability to unwind what it is you did. the of what's this shear of and there's a big discussion in the why is it that a person can back out from something is is because we're afraid that a person is going to be involved in a transaction and he wants to back out immediately and then he's going to see his rebi so he wants to give his rebi so you want to give him the opportunity to give the proper covet to his rebi so he can say without losing out the ability to back out regardless A person was given as very short period of time that he has the ability to back out of a transaction. One of the say that is the reason that a person could be is and the says because a person after he finishes talking sometimes his lips are still moving but his lips are sometimes moving. That's the way it is. The watch another is a person is his lips sometimes move even after he finishes talking as a result within his lips are still deemed to be moving he's still in the middle of talking if he's still in the middle of talking there's no reason he shouldn't be able to beer would be an issue is if I finished talking I involved the transaction I can I consummated it it's done it's over now I want to go back I want to be you have the right to do it but if I'm still the middle of the transaction that there's no reason I shouldn't be able to be says that the is really based on a fact. The fact is that a person is miraculous of say for the she of so it's not considered finished he's still talking he's so he's going to be okay Sunday we spoke out two angles in his and so this is angle and his safer wants to say a tremendous that is is comes up in as well. For example, just just one example, if a if it's as it was this week twice and a person forgets to say. So what's the So is that if you forget to say after you started you have to go back to let's say you remember middle of you also go back to say if you finish my meaning you already said I'm at that point then you have to go back and stop in the beginning but as long as you didn't finish yet even though you said already I'm and and you're you're already moving along in your it doesn't matter you don't have to start all over again. You go back to say you say and you finish is that if a person says and he remembers after he finished saying that he forgot to say even though we finished my but you have this and you can still go back to it. So really if you finish my NAS it's too late now you have to go back and say all over again find another minion but if you I'm not sure but if you uh it's a discussion by the way but if you uh but let's say you remember so then you don't have to go back to the beginning all you have to do is go back to say he says that being that this is in the context not of a business transaction. It's in the context of he says I want to say that it could be the was going to be longer than the standard of and he says it based on that if somebody's wearing fill in and he has to go to the bathroom obviously takes his fill off not only take his he has to wait a she of you can't go in right away you have to wait a shear of the amount of time that it would take to walk and the reason is is because says because a person's lips are moving while he's dabing and your lips can continue moving even after you technically in your mind you know finished in your head ding and it takes a shear of dalas to know for sure that your lips aren't moving anymore as a result you can't walk into a bis so you have to wait a she after you take it off and it's only then or while you're dominating and only then you can go into the so if a person now he has to go to the bis he has to pause for a shear of damis and only then is he allowed to go to the back. says according to that the is based on the fact of so it comes out ordinarily the is of it's a small share but when it comes to it's a longer it's a if that's the case then the should also be a sole wanted to say that if a forgot to say he said and he remembered but not but it's still within a he says you can still go back to it say you don't have to start finance all over again based on that is based on when it comes to is a difference man when it comes to mundane business transactions And as a result, you'd have a I saw that brings this angle. That's where I saw it. It's a he brings it in and the the angle that he quotes is angel said but is just one thing. He says this will only be true if a person didn't go yet. But let's say he was able to go. It's pretty fast to get from, you know, to maybe not so fast. But either way, that's only if he didn't go yet. But once he goes says even if it's within the time frame of in it of itself would obligate you to go and be regardless we'll come back to this idea of at the end of the talk or if somebody says I want to bring a what type of so we saw that's one of the four types of so if he says maf right the was very specific the didn't just say it was baked this said that it was baked in a tanner and we know that there were different types of ovens that were used in the times of kaz there was a k there was a tanner there was a kupak those were the three most notable ones as featured very very prominently in perk third of shabas but either way the antana and tanner means not just an oven. Broadly speaking, it means that specific type of that specific type of oven. And as a result, the Misha says you can't bring it in. You can't bake it on tiles. People used to heat tiles sometimes and they would bake it on the tiles or vats that the Arabs used to use. Regardless says I agree you can't bake the but if you want to do it in a that's okay. So the mentioned two different descriptions of the it mentioned that was and then it mentions and we mentioned when we were going through the there's a difference between physically it's not the same thing. Means you're mixing the flour together with the oil. Bash means you're preparing the flour in and it of itself. There's no oil. But afterwards it's right just like they used to do on the on the mel they would smear oil on him he's only right so it's the same concept what you're doing is you're just smearing it with a little bit of oil. So clearly you can prepare it both ways stating that a very important you can't bring which means and part of it which means it has to be either or says it's okay really the background to this is also later and that is that was made up of 10 breads. Physically had to bring 10 bread. It wasn't one bread. It was 10 breads. So they asked the Shiloh the 10 breads, could I bring five and five said five or five or no? Does it have to be according to the you have two choices. If you want you can bring it which means you want you could bring it which is but you can mix and match according to you can mix and match. It says in the that those are the three types of ovens that the Mishna said don't work said the mentions twice once the word and it's coming to be of something that it's not only the tanner but the extra word tanner it's called the extra word tanner is coming to be that doesn't have to be a toner it could Even the reason it says we're twice once to tell me that had to be baked in a that's why you prepared and the second not to tell me that a is okay but to tell me an important and that is that the tanner had to be a and the tanner was actually the so just like you have the sakin that was mad and you had theories that the coin used when he did the kabalo that was madesh the dam in a ma there as well and the oven that was used to prepare the maf in the world of played an important role in the of the as well and that's learned out from the word number one number two does hold that the tanner that was used to prepare the gave the same you should be accustomed to saying you were able to bake the okay but you were also able to bake it in base pagi that was outside the aar now if you're going to tell me that baking the gave the then how are you allowed to bake it in base py it should have to be in the azar now said it regarding the but it it reasons to say that the same would be true for the mas So we have a steer here says that's why the said the actual word regarding and here says he could bake outside of the right the second is the right holds that the t wasn't the that's why you could do it outside the walls of the what did he mean then when he said not that the tanner was but rather when a person was mishus So you took it upon yourself that you're going to bring when you're so you should say I'm being so knowing that it's going to be an one day meaning you should have and not just generally speaking I'm being so because I want to bring a be more specific be specific in the say could be either which means which means according to the you have to bring one or the other but you can't bring said you could bring it says in the that's the first words of the one in the that talks about clearly we're talking about or a nether because if you were obligated to bring it wouldn't say means it just so happens that when it just so happens if you have to bring it, it didn't just so happen. You're doing what you're obligated to do. So the words teach us that we're talking about it says how do you know that it says carbons even though the describes two forms of the but the word carbon suggests you have to pick one it has to be of one type either orb doesn't say the word carbon twice. I disagree. I think just the opposite. You're right. It says the word carbon once. It doesn't say the word carbon twice. in the one word carbon it says. So the way I see it is maybe you do you do from the two if when you did the either you got only the that's also going to be okay. So whereas Rab Yehuda saw in the word carbon that it's mash you have to pick one said I see it just the opposite the introduces carbon and then the Torah talks about different ways of preparing it. So to me they're all included in that same type of carbon. So you have three choices you could bring it all you could bring it all or you could bring it this way and that way. Now incidentally shim is describing that was done with this. I was committed to with the right these they were prepared right at the onset right you're preparing it as the was done in soil all it was was so and then later you baked it you whatever you did whatever you wanted to do with it but within the guidelines of you had to treat it like but you were able to do whatever you wanted to do with it here the T tells you how to prepare it this preparation took place before any kamita happened. So is talking about how you doing kamita? How you do kima on a on a bread? So the truth is the rest of the story is is that after they would bake it, they would chop it into pieces and they would make it into soyless all over again. and then they started the process all over again and that's how they did the but again that's more for the latter part of the maka regardless. So we have two and they're essentially the two sheetas we have in the but has a third and we'll see if it's really a third cheetah somebody says and then the Torah continues and Isra said that I agree with Yehud and I agree that you couldn't bring the way and that way. How does he know that? He says because the truth is that the in parishes that talks about the I said before there's one of in the describes that was wrong. There's one in par there's another inn and over there the terror says and then the Torah continues it says and then it says so we already know enough to appreciate this the the is really describing three categories of and introduces all three categories with the word Which is that? That's the that's the we just learned to that talks a little bit about that. And then there's a third. Now that's is almost every almost every what's a that's a that's dry. It has no oil. That's the those are the two that I know. So the Tory is mentioning three categories of prefaces each one with the word. The first is the second is the third is which is most just like the latter two. He can't mix and match. I can't have a that's going to be a little bit and a little bit. I can't have a that's going to be a little bit and a little bit like the that's going to be so to the first which also has two two subcategories. One is the one that's the other one is the are I can't mix and match theory there. It says Yehuda. I concur with Rhuda who by the way was Rauda's father and I hold right was the son of the Rhuda. So I hold that that the real that the is like Yehuda like the Mishna that you don't have a right to mix and match says the word carbon which is singular and then mentioning different types of was to suggest that you could mix and match being that it says the word twice. It's true. It doesn't say carbon twice, but it says twice. And that would seem to suggest that we're different. The same good. It says twice. No. Had it not. I would have thought that it has to be that way. But if you want to make one each make each one individual, maybe it's not okay. held that the word carbon seems to suggest that everything mentioned in the regarding the maf falls under the category of one carbon at the same time and seems to suggest that it's two carbonas the reason wrote it that way is to tell me that you have the choice meaning you could make it from both or you can pick and choose one but at the same time holds you have a right to pick and choose says the one last point isn't he saying what his father said isn't the same shot. You have a Bryce that has three says you can't do says you could do says you cannot do so one of three and the same would be meaning although it's the same shot but they had different what was the the word what's the the home major that it says and just like the latter two who can't mix and match you can't mix the you can't mix and it's just the word carbon so it's it sounds like it's going to be okay but we're comparing it to the just like the latter two even if you made a that was Everybody knows that wouldn't be okay. So too according to if you brought that was it would not be okay. Exhale. So in the beginning of the da we spoke a little bit about this idea of that the garra mentioned in terms of maybe understanding the word and suggesting that maybe the was was unique in that it was for that a person does with his mouth with his we said that this is a concept that comes up in specifically the in of and we even spoke out a beautiful that quotes in his a tremendous that maybe the as it relates to the laws of is not but rather could be it's a longer it's the but it's interesting that this idea of comes up in another context as well. Something that's very much in and that is this week we began also known as and there's a discussion in the place why theesh is called means it would seem to be from the that the real name was and the pref the prefix mar was just added to the thus instead of known calling it we call it and the question is Why is it called a by my parents and Alexander my father's arster spoke and he said over from the and from they both said that comes right after and we d a lot and then you have and it's with ding and we're learning with ding it's a whole comes and the person is miraculous of so even though itself would seem to be a little antilimatic from from all the the madus and the and the avoid that is but at the same time it's thus the prefix because our lips are still moving if you're middle of and you stop you have to wait a dollar before you go to the bathroom because of say after a whole month It's so the prefix but that's not the and why is called what is the really in order to understand the I think we have to take a a step backward and really understand the rest of the story and that is quot well-known is in the first And says that the names of the months that we have they came with from so Nissan Tam of El everything all the names of the months they're notes they're Persian names. So when the y and b they c they were secular months the first month of the year was nissan and the second one was etc etc the yidden took the names of those months it's as if to say today we would adapt January February March it's exactly what they did they took the the names of the months that the yidden had and that's what they incorporated in the beginning of bay so there was no nissan ear Thomas before bay because you weren't in b before bay So back in the day in times it was it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't even these were names that came with after the went up that's when these names the question is what like what's and in parish says he says that the says why is it so important why is it's almost like a preface to to the carbon paste and etc. Why is on the first month says the reason is is because by calling the year the month that the left the first month every single time you mention a every time you write a check you're going to be a mitzvah you're going to remember the you're going to remember mitzvah That's why you don't find names of months in the And the reason is is because when you say that what are you essentially saying? Well, you're saying it's the seventh month to what? The seventh month. So, you're remembering it's the first month. It's the 11th month. So every time you do that you remember and the Raman says beautifully just like is an idea of because by saying you you're making the whole week it's not just right it's not just over a glass of it's not it's not just that the whole week every time the first day says maybe says the same is true when on on a on a month level and that is says with that you could understand a very puzzling what's he says very positive from so when they remembered the nestag the nest that they always were remembering the one that was the most recent so to speak was mitim Now we're ready. We have to remember the fact that redeemed us from what's right is of course referring to. So now the miracle now what we need to remember that is not anymore. Now it's for that reason that we flipped it and says all 12 names they're Persian names. The only five binded in that were in Bavl Zakaria talks about it. Ezra talks about it and talks about it. You find it in McGillis Esther. Why? What did they all have in common? They were in Bville. Thus, they had these Babylonian names. But you're not going to find it in Yesh. You're not going to find it by the wenville cuz by the w they didn't have it. These are all Persian names. Either way, I'm quoting verbatim. Regardless the we have are Persian and clearly it was understood amongst the that the Persian name of the month is thus they were a little bit bothered why is it so the suggestion seemed to be that we added so again the question is why we said but that's of course not the so what's the so if you ask the man on the street why is it called he's going to tell you because doesn't have any yum. Now the truth is a lot of months that don't have any yum. Thomas doesn't need to have a yum but Thomas has a tinus. So because Thomas has a tinus there are other months that don't have yum but they at least have what is you have a titus doesn't have anything. There's no special day you don't have a yontiff. You don't have a titus. Thus it's called now at first glance because there's no titus. It's mar is more mar than tavis because tavis has a tinus. Thomas has a titus. So I guess you could say one of two ways. India could say you know you don't say why not it's what kind of is we sit on the floor we eat eggs and ashes and we don't eat so why is called because sometimes okay so maybe there's that there's such an idea so as much as as much as a time is is a bad time but at the same time it shows that is giving us attention and there's some closeness that we get alternatively we know that like maybe it's related to that but either way that's the part you ask the man on the street that's what he's going to tell you it's called because it's a very oh I didn't realize there's other one okay but right that's that's the shot and it has a mar it has a but it's not the shot it really is not The the is actually brought down in a and if you've never heard this you'd be very surprised the is in and this comes up very importantly in talks about this in the reason it's important is in just like the the wrote so many chu and and how you spell certain names and English names these all come up in when you write is very very important this is at stakes so the names of the months this man of the get the names of the month is also very important So the over there discusses how you write the word he says is written with one v. So it's not two but rather it's supposed to be written with one. So the right there in Evan. So the discusses how exactly you're supposed to write the word is in two words. It's or the way you're supposed to write it is one word and again implications are these are the most implications of the world. That's the that's the context isn't this isn't fun facts is discussing. He's discussing but regardless we digress. So says the says the he says I think that the reason the month is called it's based on a where is talking about the and he says the are going to be like a drop in the bucket literally says the what does mean like a drop in the bucket literally but either So the word means says the you want to know why is called when did it start raining when do you start saying he start saying it in the beginning of because that's America we do it differently but but that's when they do it in it's based on all the when you had to stop being concerned it's not raining yet it all starts time. The reason it was called says the is based on midly means it's referring to it starts raining. In other words, the word suggest it's unbelievable. So the the conventional wisdom is that the reason the month is called is because a very bitter month because there's nothing going on, right? We just we have we have an opportunity to detox a little from everything that's been happening. But that's not that's but that's NOT SAYS JUST THE opposite says and it could be in maybe not in but at least in Mik because there are hog right there were those there are those that maybe don't make already brings us that some people don't want well it depends if means then you're right then maybe I don't know maybe there's something to it but if to the like the says that seems to be the shot that's brought in the PK it's then already we would have to have a whole different spin on it regardless we'll just conclude with that is right in the beginning of the is in the says as follows the was completed on but what was we know that we're learning long enough to know this was that was that was the day that passed away that was the the the day that they brought the when did it happened. What was the date on the calendar? It was so again said that really the Mishk was completed they started bullying the Mishkan that was the says that's when came back that's why we celebrate in not in so they started building the Mishkan onus it was completed on stating that they didn't inaugurate it there was a date invites We're going to wait until after the winter and that's when we're going to do it. Why? And the came to they said we want it is maybe something's going on like it was it was starting to get waiting for the weather to get nice like what's the reason what's why are we doing it why are we waiting says I'm going to tell you why wanted to wait for because that's It's coming up in a few weeks. Comes out. I owe you one. What did backash? There was another big inauguration date, a day that Jews would celebrate for thousands of years and that is that happened during you know is specifically because Hashem was paying up an old debt an old that's going back tokish was completed on and it wasn't erected until and there was a for whatever the was says he says But the bottom line is But the bottom line is says the Hashem had that he had to pay back and he paid it back with the next was paid back with that was done concludes the one line and the same issue with gonna pay back what what's the end of the what's the rest of the He says the rest of the story is very simple that if you learn you're going to know that finished building the base it's a perv again there was no we didn't have the Persian names in so the month is referred to with a different name it was so but what was the what was the big inauguration When did it happen? It happened. Right. The garra says that was the year that was the year that they ate. They brought it was a but regardless that the point is it was when did it happen? It happened ones. So the really it was completed but it didn't happen until so just like had to pay up which was completed in the midbar by the and being that it wasn't erected the same thing played itself over with was completed but the didn't happen to say you want to know the last line in that just like I owe you one. It's true. Is going to be in which month? It's gonna be why to pay up this like paid up the of which was going back to the is going to pay up the according to some is called why because it's because it's bitter why is it bitter because there's no why is it bitter because there's no tness you have no may you have nothing that's Today when is the mikt going to be built? It's going to be in which month? none other than Kaides Mahes.