Menachos 97

Today's stuff is Menachis stuff tzadik zayin. And we are at the two dots, about 15 lines from the top of daf tzadik zayin amud aleph arbah snifin shel zov hoyu sham v'chulu. Today's daf is being learned to us by the host of a full shalom of Chava Miriam bas Malkah Freda and [ __ ] ben Chaya Leah. So, we're moving along in the 11th perek of meseches Menachis. The topic of the last few dafin has been the lechem uponim and from there the shulchan that housed >> [snorts] >> the lechem uponim. Now, a disclaimer before today's daf. Today is one of several math dafin in Shas. So, we have to pull out our calculators or the back of the proverbial envelopes and get ready to make some pretty intense cheshbonos stating that the excitement is really going to start more on the bottom of the amud going into amud beis. Before that, we still have another half of amud or so of gemara to learn. So, the Mishnah was talking about the physical structure of the shulchan. The pasuk says in parshas Terumah So, the pasuk is describing four [snorts] ancillaries to the shulchan. The shulchan itself was a table. But, when you looked at the shulchan, you saw a lot more than a table. In fact, it looked like a mini skyscraper. That's all the ancillaries of the shulchan that are being described in this pasuk. Specifically, ka'aroisav v'chappoisav u'ksoisav u'menakiyosav. The gemara now is going to bring a memra from the Amoraim that is going to describe what exactly all four of these things were. Now, the Mishnah had said that there were four snifin. There were four boards, pillars that were made of gold says the gemara minani mili. What's the makor to these four snifin? It's based on the pasuk that we just mentioned v'asisa ka'aroisav v'chappoisav u'ksoisav The ka'arois were the tfusim. These were the molds. These were these metal or in this case gold molds that were shaped the way the lechem uponim were shaped that the lechem uponim were placed in. Now, to be clear, the lechem uponim were not in the ka'arois while the lechem uponim were physically on the shulchan. We'll see, the lechem uponim on the shulchan were actually lying on the menakiyosav. But, when the lechem uponim were taken out of the oven and when they were in transit, it was during that period of time that they had to be on top of these ka'arois. Kappoisav eilu v'zichin. The kappois, these were spoons. Spoons that had in them the b'zichin of lechem. So, we know that in order for the Kohanim to eat from the lechem uponim, there had to be a hakatorah done which named b'zichin of lechem. The shnei b'zichin of lechem were to the lechem uponim like the dam of a korban is to its basar. The hakatorah was matter. So, we needed to have b'zichin physically to have a place to put the b'zichin of lechem. Ksoisav. What were the ksoisav? Eilu snifin. These are the snifin that the Mishnah is referring to. So, these are these four big poles that stood to the sides of the shulchan. And finally, u'menakiyosav eilu kanim. What were the menakiyosav? These were reeds. Rashi said they were actually half a reeds and they were essentially the shelves that separated each one of the lechem uponim. So, the lechem uponim before it was on the shulchan was inside the tfus. But, [snorts] once it was on the shulchan, at that point, it was on top of the shelf. The shelf are referred to as the menakiyosav. And the pasuk says asher yusach bahem. So, that's referring back to the menakiyosav. Meaning, what was the purpose of the menakiyosav? She mesachech bahem es ha lechem. It was there to act as chach. Think of your sukkah. It literally hovered over, it covered the lechem. Either way, Rav Ketina said that when it says in the pasuk v'asisa ka'aroisav v'chappoisav u'ksoisav u'menakiyosav, it's referring to what we just mentioned. Ka'aroisav eilu tfusim. Kappoisav eilu v'zichin. Ksoisav are the snifin. And the menakiyosav are the kanim. So, the gemara says Rava heard this ameisah Rava Rava asked a kasha. that [snorts] the placement of the kanim on the shulchan and the removal of the kanim on the shulchan were both avoidas and as a result they were not doicheh Shabbos. So, we know that high level avoidah was doicheh Shabbos. Stating that the Mishnah said not not always the case. In fact, the sidur ha kanim and the netilah of the kanim being that they doimeh to boinah so, it's assur. So, these were things that you were not allowed to do on Shabbos. That the inyan of these kanim are mentioned in a pasuk in the Torah. Am I ain doicheh Shabbos? So, why is it not doicheh Shabbos? Meaning, bishlama if the kanim was some chiddush that the Rabbis came up with, okay, so they don't have the ability to go and be doicheh Shabbos. But, if you're telling me that the pasuk says that this is the tzurah of the shulchan, so it sounds like this is a critical thing and if that's the case, even though putting it on and off involves some element of chillul Shabbos, but at the same time avoidah is something that's always doicheh Shabbos. Just explain this a little bit better. The sidur of the lechem uponim and the netilah of the lechem uponim took place on Shabbos. That's when the lechem uponims were distributed, that's when the changing of the guard of the Kohanim and of the lechem uponim took place. So, really, the fact that we're not putting the kanim or removing the kanim on Shabbos is >> [snorts] >> a little interesting because that's when the lechem uponim are being taken off and that's when the lechem uponim are being put on. Aba de Torah says it's boinah v'saisar and as a result, you can't do it. Aba mastiv Rava, to the extent the menakiyosav eilu ha kanim, so this would seem to be part and parcel of the tzurah of exactly the way the shulchan is supposed to be set up. If that's the case, there's no way that this inyan of boinah should be doicheh, but the gemara says after Rava had this question, hodar amrei Rava Rava said lav milsa hu d'amrei. What I said was a mistaken. This as we know is tikun noach shel Rava. Very often Rava says something and then he does a flipperoo. He says, you know something, I think I made a mistake. Hodar amrei Rava, this was one of those examples that tanan. He said because really it's a a meforesh Mishnah, the Mishnah that we saw in yesterday's daf. Any melacha that you could have done on erev Shabbos is not doicheh Shabbos. Meaning, inasmuch as the avoidas in the Beis Hamikdash would doicheh melacha Shabbos, but said Rabbi Akiva that to the extent that you could have done the melacha before Shabbos, it's not going to be doicheh Shabbos. It's only if you couldn't have done the melacha before Shabbos that it's doicheh Shabbos. Meaning, it's true that high level avoidah is doicheh Shabbos, but there are rules and regulations that you have to conform with. Specifically, Rabbi Akiva shalacha k'moisah d'kulam makim in the day of Shabbos said Rava based on that, my kasha is not a kasha because finally now he has relates to these menakiyosav. Efsher d'lo doicheh Shabbos. O layav [snorts] It's not something that I think needs to be doicheh Shabbos. And the reason is because ta'ama mai? What was the purpose of the menakiyosav? So, Rava is a little bit being doresh ta'ama d'kra over here. What was the reason for it? So, that the bread shouldn't spoil. Because if you're going to take the breads and you're going to pile one on top of the other, so then it's going to spoil. If you have these kanim, these shelves that are separating them, then this is not something you have to worry about. But, b'chi ha shiur lo y'afish. To the extent that you're going to go a Shabbos and on that Shabbos you're not going to have the you're not going to have the menakiyosav, that little bit of time is not going to cause the lechem to go bad and as a result, this is not something that you have to worry about. So, Rava said that it's true b'etzem the menakiyosav should be doicheh, but it's technically part of the category of Rabbi Akiva If you're going to go through this and you're going to do it not on Shabbos, so that's going to be fine. Meaning, nothing's going to happen if the breads, the old breads and the new breads for the amount of time that they're on the shulchan are going to go through a Shabbos and not have the menakiyosav. a result, they would remove the kanim before Shabbos and they would put it back after Shabbos. I, the old breads in the beginning of Shabbos and the new breads at the end of Shabbos are they without the shelves? Doesn't bother me. I, what do you mean the Torah says menakiyosav, but we're being doresh ta'ama d'kra. Menakiyosav is my ta'ama d'layav lechem. And in such a short period of time, b'chi ha shiur lo y'afish. And as a result, I'm not worried about it. The gemara says k'dei tania, I'll support what Rava said with a braisa. What are we supporting? The braisa says keitzad nichnas me'erev Shabbos? The kohen would come in erev Shabbos. Where what does nichnas mean? Into the heichal. Right? So, he would enter the heichal in erev Shabbos. V'sham tam. He would remove the kanim. U'manichan l'orech shel shulchan. So, where do you put these kanim? Right? You need a place to put them. So, the braisa tells you where to put them. You put them by the length of the shulchan. Okay, motzei Shabbos and then noch Shabbos after Abdullah he would come back in nichnas. Magbiha rosh shel challah. He would lift the top of one of the challahs. U'machnis koneh tachtehah. And he would put the head of one of the kanim underneath it. And then he would lift the top of the other side of the challah. U'machnis koneh tachtehah. And he put it underneath it. The bottom line is he repeated this 12 times, right? Or in between, we'll see how many kanim there them in a second. But, he would it in all the different places that you had to put it and like that this was something that was done not on Shabbos but before Shabbos and after Shabbos. There's a little bit of a rye and micro of the Gamara. What's the kid that Tanya? What we just proved from this brice? We proved that they didn't do the con in on Shabbos. The mission said that forget that was rubber's kasha. So rubber said it must be even though it was a passing in the Torah but because of Dr. What was the brice? The brice was that they didn't do it on Shabbos. We knew that already from the mission. What exactly was in this brice that we didn't know already from the mission? What is the Gamara mean when it says but in the Gamara seems to be it's because from the mission you just see that the con and weren't Shabbos. Okay so how long were the on the without the con? That you didn't see from the mission. In the brice you see my first. The brice is me Shabbos. You might say Shabbos again. So you see it's only there for a short period of time. Which was the premise of rubber's parents. When rubber explained why is it it's not because it's not a brice but rather it's because of the fact it's just a small amount of time. For a small amount of time I'm not worried. But it was only a small amount of time. In the mission in the mission you just see that it wasn't maybe they came in on Thursday they put it back up Monday. How do you know it was a short period of time? For that the Gamara says Tanya. See right it's only one that we didn't see in the mission but it's actually an important edge. Okay maybe intuitive you probably would have it from the mission but it's back saying it in the brice. Here Dr. Brice. And it's for that reason this is something that the Gamara felt that it had to bring. Now the brice continues and says always three how many kind of them were there? So you say I don't know there were 12 breads you have to put them in between the breads do the math right? 12 you would think. But it's not this is not the math part of the by the way. Not even [snorts] close. So there were 12 breads right? >> [snorts] >> Lined up on two sides which means six and six on each individual row. Four of the required three three. What does mean three? Each one of the four required three. So underneath the second the third the fourth and the fifth. The four meaning the four middle. So underneath the second the third the fourth and the fifth there were three con each. Four times three is 12. Again this is not the math. The sixth one meaning underneath the sixth one in the only needed two. The and the reason is because there was no heavy load that was going to be put on top of it. What do you mean? There was only one row of as opposed to the [snorts] one needed had two and the one underneath that had three right? So being that you're already towards the top so you don't need such a strong foundation. So over there two already was going to be okay. And the bottom one didn't need anything and the reason is because that was literally on top of the table. So as far as support it definitely didn't need any support. But one other piece we didn't need to mention. Rubber said earlier that the reason they had these con was you want a little bit of space. The reason why a little bit of space it shouldn't go bad. So the show con it was made of gold and because it was made of gold so it always remained cool. And because it remained cool there was no issue of it spoiling. But the bottom line is underneath number one you needed nothing. Underneath two three four and five there were three three three respectively. Underneath six there were two which means three times four is 12 plus two is 14 times two is 28. How many con were there? There were 28 con either way. Moving along now to the next part of the year. The math part of the year. So if you go back to the mission now on Saturday November 11th so the mission talked about the dimensions of the show con. And the mission said the show con or good the show con was 10 long. The commission or and it was five wide. And the mission went ahead and described the dimensions of the and exactly how the set >> [snorts] >> on the show con. The sheet is that the show con was 10 long. Long and it was five long wide. The mayor and the mayor said or the show con was 10 it was 12 long. The and it was six wide. And they have two the mission goes I'll leave it to the mayor and figures out exactly how the based on its dimensions set on the show con. So we have a with you the mayor in the mission. What exactly the dimensions of the show con were? According to with you the it's 10 by five. According to the mayor it's 12 by six. Now the truth is if you open a in the Torah the Torah tells you exactly what the dimensions were. The says very very clearly that the show con was the rock boy and by the way I'm over the master. So the says what it is. How can we have the Torah says what it is we're about to see right now. The side of the between the mayor and is the size of the is the made up of six or is the six or is the made up of five? The holds the made up of five. So when the says that the show con is or good so it's two times five which is 10. When it says it's one times five which is five. The mayor holds the made up of six. So when the says that the show con is or good it's two times six and when it says it's one times six hence it's not going to be 10 and five it's really going to be 12 and six. Stating that as we're about to see now this is a little bit of a as we're about to see right now. Everybody agreed the side of the mayor and the side of you the agreed that there were that were made up of five and there were that were made up of six. In other words not all were created equally. There [snorts] was the larger and there was the smaller. As a matter of fact in tomorrow's we're going to see there was even a third size of an so not two three. But for today's we don't have to be that confused. Two is enough to juggle. So there was the of five the six and in fact there's no about that. The mayor and is what is the of the con? So when we say it's or good is it the of five plus it's going to be 10 long that sheet is or is it the of six that's it's going to be 12 tall sheet is and the same is going to be as relates to the width. So everybody agrees there's an five six. The is what is the of the show con? But to be clear according to the show con is bigger than it is according to there's no what a is a is a is a so if we have a now are we working with the bigger or the smaller? So the mayor is working with the bigger has a bigger show con. And that's working with the smaller has a smaller show con. It sounds obvious that last sentence. But when you go through the Gamara it's actually not as obvious as it sounds. But that is the way it is. So again not all were created equally. Everybody agrees with that. The that we have in our mission is regarding the show con. Now is it only regarding the show con? This is the only place in that the mayor and argued? Doesn't feel right. It's not. Really this is where this next part of the Gamara picks up. Awesome. We learned in a mission over there. Where is there? Besides per Zion mission good. Additionally you may be more familiar with it from I'm just looking at the regardless. So we learned in a mission over there the mayor and the mayor said all all the that were in the base they know near us. They were all almost being near us with meaning that were made up of six with the exception of the which was an by an right? The is the other the way way way smaller the one that was in the also known as the so that was one and that was not the being near us which is the that's made up of six that was made up of five. Additionally the the corn of the horn I should say of the so the had these four horns in the four corners right? The so those corners were also an which says the mayor it's the smaller that's made up of five. The was also made up of a smaller and made up of a smaller. This says a mass being in the being in itself the structure of the mission was made up those are six which are as it relates to the commission is made up of five. So according to the mayor when was the six used and what was the commission used? It's very nuanced. Call you the mission being near us with the exception of the the corn of the the and the of the according to it's much simpler. The being in is always six. And the of the are always five. I'm the mayor and the mayor and you the both came to their position from the same exact a rather cryptic in >> [snorts] >> in the you it's men you just going to read the entire the is the of the of I'm over the the of the >> I think that's a pretty hard possible to touch. But either way, says the Gamorah, maybe both looked at this very very very vague possible and from there they formulated their positions. How so? Says the Gamorah. When the possible mentions the they saw it, it's referring to the Well, let's actually take it back a little bit. When it says but I'm always I'm over so the way remain touching the possible is is that the of the right the were made up of right the always uses that's the measurement that's the proverbial foot or yard that we would use today. But that is a bigger that is it's the equivalent of an and a club smaller the smaller would be the large one is she how much more does it have a so what the possible thing is is the but the that are being used for the each is really an of the stating that the of the as relates to the that of the that is already the smaller very hard possible to read but that is also referring to the smaller that's also measured based on the smaller that's also measured based on the smaller that's also measured based on the smaller that's also the smaller so the possible thing is when it comes to the it's the larger what does it mean larger it's the equivalent of an and a however then we list out these four things the of the as the the these are all made up of the small what are these things made so says the price as relates to the that was referring to the the was an I'm the was referring to the the that was referring to the and they got the so essentially what the possible thing is just based on these words that these four things were made up of the smaller okay enters the here's the so holds these four things that the said were made up of the smaller the those are the ones who made up of the so but all the other of the was made up of the so cuz you call similar similar to this all the are supposed to be but the bottom line is we have these four things that were supposed to be the the question is it only these four things that sounds very reasonable that's the looked at these four things and he said I think there's like a I think they all fall into the category of right and [snorts] as so it's all I mean that it's all so for that reason I hold that this is a really on all the all the this is the rest OF THE STORY THE was she show or the five six is now we know the story the mission in the 17th paragraph of you see over here that according to and they hold their respective by all the in fact the only time holds that there was anything that was was only the those few things that are mentioned in that cryptic possible in the school either way so we just mentioned the possible in the why because it's really the back story to understanding the in our now we mentioned the possible so we're going to do what we do which is we're going to try to understand this possible a little bit better now what did the possible say the possible said that the which we said is the and and the which we said is the and the also the which is the and also the the were all made up of an now when we say that the an when we say the was made up of an that's pretty straight forward the possible says you know exactly that it's made up of an so what exactly does it mean when we say that the was an the was an and the were an what's the so so you would say I don't know the height probably right the height of the is an sounds like it and it's an or even if it's more than an it's made up of right the is an and the is an so right that's what it sounds like but the truth is there's another option the other option is is that we'll see soon that the was an wide right the was the border that went around the and the width of the was an so the also was the platform that the was able to stand in towards the middle of the was also an and there was one of width between the edge of the top of the and the so if that's the case there's really another possibility of what we might be referring to when we say the and the so which are the the and the respectively were an could be we don't mean the height but it could be we mean the width we mean that indentation it could be that which we know is an from so it could be that is the and the truth is that really from here until seven lines from the top of the and the the of the is going to be very mathematical but the is going to be trying to figure out push it the of what we mean when we say that these things were an again as relates to the fourth thing mentioned which is the the that's very straight forward but in terms of the first three all parts of the of the of the these components what exactly we're referring to when we describe the and then say that the was that's something that's a little bit unclear as a matter of fact the Gamorah is going to take four cracks at it the first three the Gamorah is going to deflect and it's only on the fourth try that the Gamorah is going to say the Gamorah is going to be very satisfied with the way that it's going to come out now as relates to a little bit of an introduction without this introduction this next I'm in Gamorah is almost impossible and that is we just have to reacquaint ourselves a little bit with the physical of the again something that came up in many many in this even in the a little bit but we have to reacquaint ourselves a little bit and that is the again we're talking about the of the of the the the the that's in the the big massive that was 10 tall it was 10 tall the way the 10 were subdivided is the lowest so was the so afterwards there was another five of so at the top of the five is where the was that border where the went and he did some of his which means that if you're measuring from the floor until the this is a very important number that we need to know for this stuff it was six right so the 60% up the so so from the until the top of the was three three which means that from the floor until the top of the is nine and then you had the so which was just an on each corner was another hence from the floor all the way to the top of the where you end up with is 10 additionally >> [snorts] >> there was a that went around the midpoint of the which means it was literally at the 50 yard line so you count five from the floor that's where the was not to be confused with the which is counting six from the floor so again we have the first is the then you have five of the which gets you to the and you have three of the which gets you to the top and there's another of and then you have the that goes through the middle the critical points that we need to remember is that the is six from the floor and the assuming it's in the middle right so that would put you at five from the floor right again this is very high level we're going to go into the weeds momentarily but this is just the basic conceptual way that we were taught this the next thing that we have to reacquaint ourselves with is the length and the width of the so so the good news is that the was a perfect square so because it was a perfect square the length and the width are one and the same now this has nothing to do with the ramp the ramp is its own we're talking about the physical part of the so ramp not withstanding so the itself was a perfect square what were the dimensions it was 32 by 32 stating that it was only 32 Amos by 32 Amos on the ground floor. However, [snorts] the Yesod itself was one Amos wide all around. And because it was one Amos wide all around, that means that really it was only that first Amos that was 32 by 32. But [snorts] the structure that was on top of that, and it's really the next five Amos going all the way up to the Sovev, wasn't 32 by 32, but it was indented one Amos on each side, which means you take one Amos from here and one Amos from here, so it's 32 minus one minus another one, it's 30. You do the same thing on the other side. So it was 30 by 30. The Sovev also had a width, and the width was also one Amos, which means that the area above the Sovev, the area from the Sovev up until the top of the Mizbeach, right before where the Maroach where everything was, was one Amos on each side less than 30, which means it was 30 minus one minus one or 28, and it's that way on each side, which means that it's going to be 28 by 28. And the same was true as it relates to the Kronos, as we'll see a little bit more in detail on the Hashmon of the Gemara. But the bottom line is is that as it relates to the physical Tzurah of the Mizbeach, the Mizbeach on the bottom is 32 by 32, and then on top of that there's a block of 30 by 30, and on top of that there's another block of 20 by 20. By the way, if you want to just visualize a little bit better how they built the Mizbeach, the way they built the Mizbeach was they really made it up of three parts. So they took this huge block that was 32 by 32 for all the builders out there, and it was one Amos tall, and they put that on the ground. And then they took another block that was 30 by 30 that was five Amos tall, and they placed it on top of that. And then they took a third block that was 28 Amos by 28 Amos that was three Amos tall, they put on top of that. And then they built the Kronos, and [snorts] the rest is history. Either way, with this sort of simple introduction, we jump into the Hashbonos of the Gemara. So again, we have a Posuk in Yechezkel, a Posuk in Yechezkel that says that the Cheiko Amos, which is the Yesod, and the Amos Roichev, which is the Sovev, and the Gevul Al Sfas Sovev Zeraso Achas, which are the Kronos, that were all Amos. And we're trying to figure out now what's the Avodah. We can't lose focus of what the primary Avodah is. What aspect of this was exactly an Amos, and as we'll see now there's a lot of different possibilities. Look at the Gemara. Kasolkes Daichach. The Gemara's Muskol Rishon in terms of how to approach this is that what do we mean when we say that these things were an Amos? What it means is Me'Yesod Va'Ad Sovev Ba'Amos Basar. And again, when we say an Amos, we know it's an Amos. An Amos Basar Chameishes Tefachim. So the Gemara says Kasolkes Daichach. The Havaminah in the Gemara is is that from the Yesod until the Sovev was Amos Basar Chameishes Tefachim Begovah. So what does it mean Yesod and Sovev? It means from the Yesod all the way to the Sovev. Not the Yesod was an Amos in the Kasolkes Basar Chameishes Tefachim, and the Sovev was an Amos Basar Chameishes Tefachim. But from the Yesod all the way up to the Sovev. Okay. U'Mai Cheiko Amos Va'Amos Roichev. So what does the Posuk mean when it says Cheiko Amos and Amos Roichev? Doesn't it mean certainly sounds like the Cheiko Amos A and the Amos Roichev B. These two individual things were each an Amos Basar Chameishes Tefachim. No. Hachi K'Amos, this is what it means. Me'Cheiko Amos Va'Ad Roichev Ba'Amos Basar Chameishes means that entire area, which means the entire first six Amos of the Mizbeach was Ba'Amos Basar Chameishes Tefachim. That's the Kasolkes Daichach. Well if that's the case, let's do a little bit of Hashbonos. K'Amos Ba'Amos K'Amos Havah. What's the height of the Mizbeach? As we said Amos like we just said. Shesh. [snorts] You're telling me now that the first six, Kasolkes the top of the Sovev means the first six. Benei Chameisha Chameisha is each Amos, right? That's the Chameisha Chameisha. Each one of those six Amos respectively are made up of five Tefachim. Va'Arba, and then the top four, we don't have this, is Benei Shisha Shisha are each made up of six, right? That's what you're suggesting right now. Well if that's the case, Mizbeach K'Amos Havah. What would be the height of the Mizbeach? Chamshin Va'Arba. It would be 54 Tefachim. Why 54 Tefachim? Because it's it's 10 Amos. Six of the Amos are made up of five, so six times five is 30, and then four of the Amos are made up of six, four times six is 24. So it means the total amount of Tefachim is going to be 54 Tefachim. Palges Mizbeach K'Amos Havah. Where's the midpoint of the Mizbeach? Why do we care about that? So we want to know where the Chutzos Sikra is. So what's the midpoint of the Mizbeach? Esrim Ve'Shiva. It's 27. Now Me'Kronos Va'Ad Sovev K'Amos Havah. If you go from the Kronos and you back down until the Sovev, how many Tefachim is it going to be? Esrim Va'Arba. It's going to be 24. Why? Because really from the Kronos until the Sovev, those are the upper four Amos cuz we said the Sovev is at the six Amos point. Those are the upper four Amos. Those are each Bas Shisha. So that means four times six is 24. So 54 minus 20 is 30, right? Okay. K'Amos Botzel Palges Mizbeach. What's the distance now from the Sovev to the Chutzos Sikra? Kosa. Comes out it's three Tefachim, right? It's back of the envelope arithmetic. The Sovev is at the 30 Tefach mark, and the Chutzos Sikra is at the 27 Tefach mark. Right. The Gemara have a problem. Kas Tnan. Right. But Tnan, not problems not yet. But Tnan we don't get into the Mishnah. Chutzos Sikra Higher Ba'Emtza Kedei Lehavdil Bein Dom Elyon U'Dom Tachton. Right? What was the Chutzos Sikra? Chutzos Sikra was in the middle to be Mavdil between the Dom Elyon and the Dom Tachton. Okay, so what's wrong with all this? What's Ma Ma Bayah? So what's the problem? The Sovev is 30 Tefachim from the bottom, and the Chutzos Sikra is 27 Tefachim from the bottom, and there's three Tefachim of distance between the Sovev and the Chutzos Sikra. So what's going on right? So far it sounds okay, it's right. Nice observation. I'll tell you what the problem is. Kas Olos Ha'Tamid went into the Mishnah. Gabei Olos Ha'Tamid regarding the Olos Ha'Tamid. >> [snorts] >> Haya The Olos Ha'Tamid is the easiest part of this Amos. Haya Eved Ha'Kevesh. If you've ever learned to Sugya Olos Ha'Tamid, you get the joke. Haya Eved Ha'Kevesh. Somebody was going up the Kohen and he had to go up the ramp. U'Fana Le'Sovev. Anyone on top of the Sovev U'Volei Ha'Kevesh Mizrachis. And he came to the corner of Darom Mizrach. U'Malak Es Rosho. And he did Melikah on the head of the Olos Ha'Tamid Arpa, the way Melikah was done. U'Mavdil. And he was Mavdil. Right. But Olos Ha'Tamid yeah, but Chutzos no. U'Ma It says Dom. And then he did Me'itzui, which was unique to the Olos Ha'Tamid. Here's the punchline. Here's the punchline. This is the only thing we need for. We don't need the Me'itzui. We don't need the fact that it was Darom Mizrach. Right. We don't need the Brisker Rov in Sefer. All we need is this next slide. Ve'Im Asah Le'Matan Raglav. Let's say the Kohen who's on the Sovev and he's doing the Avodah of the Olos Ha'Tamid, right? And he goes and he does a Le'Matan Raglav. He decides to bend down and he wants to do it beneath his feet, somewhere lower than him. Afilu Amos Achas. Even if he goes down a full Amos, Kasher it's going to be Kosher. Wait. The Gemara Kasher. How could it be Kosher? Hacha Yovel Yovel Le'Matan Shnei Tefachim. It shouldn't be okay. If you're going to go down a Amos, that means you're going into Le'Matan Chutzos Sikra. And we know you weren't allowed to put the Olos Ha'Tamid Le'Matan Chutzos Sikra. And if that's the case, it should be a problem. If there's only three Tefachim between the Sovev and the Chutzos Sikra, how could you understand the Mishnah in Zevachim that the Mishnah says that if the Kohen who's standing on the Sovev doing the Avodah of the Olos Ha'Tamid decided to do the Me'itzui a full Amos beneath where he's standing, it's going to be okay? A full Amos beneath puts you into Le'Matan Chutzos Sikra, and the Olos Ha'Tamid Le'Matan Chutzos Sikra is Posul. Now if it would have said, right, just to be Machrish a little bit better, you could go a half a Amos. Oh, that's Kavod because there's a half a Amos of space between where the Kohen is standing on the Sovev and the Chutzos Sikra. But it's not what it says. [snorts] It doesn't say a half a Amos. It says a full Amos. And to the extent that it says a full Amos, the Cherev full Amos is not something that could be okay. In other words, it's Muchach. Here's the point. From this Mishnah in Zevachim that there had to be a full Amos. There had to be a full Amos between the Sovev and the Chutzos Sikra. And based on the way we just tried explaining the Posuk in Yechezkel, it emerges there's only three Tefachim between. And if that's the case, back to the drawing board. That cannot be the Pshat. Ela, says the Gemara, let's take another stab at this. Cheiko Amos. Maybe when we say Cheiko Amos was an Amos Basar Chameishes Tefachim, what it means is Knisa. It means the Roichev of the Cheiko Amos. Cheiko Amos again was the Yesod. It means the width of the Yesod, that indentation. How much it was wider than what was on top of it. And when we say Amos Roichev, it means Knisa. It means that the indentation, the width of the Sovev was an Amos. And when we say Gevul Al Sfas Sovev, what it means again, Knisa. It's referring to the indentation between the edge of the Mizbeach and where the Kronos marked. But the Gemara says, let's see if this is going to prove out. Mizbeach K'Amos Havah. Wait. How big was the Mizbeach? Shishin. It It was 60 Amos. Palges Mizbeach K'Amos Havah. What's the midpoint of the Mizbeach? Talsin. It's 30. So where's the Chutzos Sikra now? Again, at the 30 Amos point. Me'Kronos Va'Ad Sovev K'Amos Havah. From the Kronos until the Sovev, how many Tefachim are there? Chof Daled. Right. It's 24 Tefachim. Why is it 24 Tefachim? Because again, the Sovev is at the six Amos point, and you have four Amos on top. At this point, right, this is and the wording of the Gemara, the way the Gemara says it is a little bit Tzerikha Daichach, so it's a little bit tricky. It makes it a drive trickier. But how much space is there from the top of the Mizbeach down to the Sovev? There's four Amos. Each Amos Bas Shisha t'fachim. Could it be it's about chamishah t'fachim? No, cuz in this cheshbon, all of the bas chamishah t'fachim's are in the rochav, which means that all of the amos in the goyva are bas shishah t'fachim. Okay, so from the top of the mizbe'ach down to the sovev, how much space do you have? You have 24. Kamah botel apalgadam is bayach? How much space then is there from the sovev until the midway point of the mizbe'ach? Shishah, there's six t'fachim. Over trans, so so far this is amazing. In the masol hamakom drag the fill amoh achas k'sheyro. That's going to be very, very good, right? So, at first glance, says the Gemara, if you go ahead and you say that the amoh bas chamishah t'fachim is not talking about the height of the chelach, all 10 of the amos were bas shishah t'fachim. So, it's 60 t'fachim tall, which means that the chutas sikra is at the 30 t'fach point, which means the sovev is at the 36 t'fach point, which means there's a perfect amoh in between. That's the way it's supposed to be. OH, GOOD. WELL, makes sense. Pasul with the mishnah of mizbe'ach. Which by the way, if you ask the someone who knows these zachan a little bit, right, what's p'shat in that mishnah over there in z'vachim that says if he did as l'mata, amoh, it's going to be okay. We'd say it's pasul because we know the chutas sikra is at the midway point, and the sovev is at the 60% point, and it's 10 t'fachim. So, what's the difference? The difference is an amoh. So, you're allowed to go all the way to the chutas sikra. So, if you go l'mata, it's going to be okay. The Gemara was fardraying, maybe it's amoh bas chamishah t'fachim, which threw us for a little bit of a loop. But the bottom line is is that if we go back and we say then no, really, all 10 of the amos of the height were bas shishah t'fachim, so this is going to work out perfectly. Stating that, but we do have amoh bas chamishah t'fachim. Where do we have that? We have that regarding all the indentations, as the Gemara said, b'may ikim tov k'nisa. So, you tell me, where are the amoh bas chamishah t'fachim? Meaning what are those uh things that the Navi Yechezkel said was not the amoh of a tefach, but it was the amoh bas chamishah t'fachim. It's all an indentation. Indentation, these are indentations of the sovev and the indentation of the kronos. Over there we have masos mukmasos k'nisa. So, could you say it's referring to the case of T'naim? We learned in the mishnah, this mishnah is in meseches middos, perek um mishnah alef. A little less obscure than meseches uh keilim, perek zayin. But the bottom line is, it's the mishnah in meseches middos. Mizbe'ach ish ish mishnah shishah t'fachim. The dimensions of the physical mizbe'ach was 32 amos by 32 amos. Oleh amoh, it went up an amoh. The k'neis amoh, and then it indented an amoh. Zeh hu y'sod, and that lower amoh was the y'sod. Nintza shlosha amos shlosha amos. And then emerges out of the mishnah that the area on top of the y'sod, that next block, which by the way, we mentioned already, goes five amos high, so that next block was 30 by 30. Fait the Gemara, kashah. It's not 30 by 30. Shlosha amos v'shnei t'fachim haveu. It's really amos and two t'fachim. What's the cheshbon? Because if that indentation is really only five t'fachim, so you started off with 32 amos, right? You started off with 32 amos. Now, you indented how much? You were nichnas how much? We assumed an amoh on this side and an amoh on that side. Okay, so you took shh an amoh from here, you took an amoh from there. So, what are you left with? You're left with 30 amos. But now you're telling me no, that amoh is amoh bas chamishah t'fachim. So, that amoh is amoh bas chamishah t'fachim, you actually didn't take a a full amoh. All you took was five t'fachim. So, what you're left with is the 30 amos in the middle plus a tefach over here and a tefach over there, which means it's 30 amos and two t'fachim. You did the same thing on the other side. So, it's 30 amos and two t'fachim by 30 amos and two t'fachim. And by the way, if your classic amoh is six t'fachim, so it's 30 and a third by 30 and a third. So, fait the Gemara, kashah. If the nichnas amoh is the amoh bas chamishah t'fachim, well, then really, from a a tefach perspective, or relative to an amoh bas shishah t'fachim, which is what the entire mizbe'ach is. So, based on that, what you're going to end up with is not 30 by 30 after you shave off the amoh on each side, but rather what you're going to be left with is 30 and two thirds by 30 and two thirds. It's not what the mishnah says. V'susu ach the Gemara, let's continue climbing the ladder. Oleh chamish The mizbe'ach went up another five amos. V'k'neis amoh, and then again, there was another indentation of an amoh. And that was sovev, that was the sovev. Now, you think that the sovev went in another amoh. Nintza esrim v'shmonah, al esrim v'shmonah. So, comes out that that block was 28 by 28. But, says the Gemara, is that true? Esrim v'shmonah v'arba t'fachim haveu. It's not 28 by 28. At this point, it's 28 and four t'fachim by 28 and four t'fachim. Because again, when you get to the sovev, we're saying that's the amoh rochav, that's the amoh bas chamishah t'fachim. SO, YOU'RE NOT GOING in six t'fachim, you're going in five t'fachim. So, if you're going in only five [clears throat] t'fachim, so you had the five t'fachim that you went in on the bottom, the five t'fachim went in on the top, right? Easiest way to do this is is you went in almost an amoh minus a tefach here and a tefach there, a tefach here and a tefach there. So, what you have is minus two amos plus these four t'fachim. What you're left with really is 28 and four t'fachim by 28 and four t'fachim. It's not 28 by 28. Says the Gemara, I hear, maybe there's an eitzah. I don't know. I don't know if I would checkmate our understanding of the pasuk based on this mishnah. Cuz v'chiteim I could always tell you, k'vido lehavai amoh. Being that it's not a complete You know, what's your kashah? The mishnah said 30, it's 30 and a third. The mishnah said 28, it's 28 and two thirds. No, no, a fraction here and a fraction there, right? K'vido lehavai amoh, it's not a full amoh. So, lechashvei. So, therefore, we don't count it. But the Gemara says, I'll tell you why it's a problem, cuz makom kronos. Because the mishnah goes a little bit higher and says the makom of the kronos, that area, was also indented an amoh. And if that's the case, what was the area of the makom kronos? It was, right, do the math, it's going to be 26 by 26. Meaning from the makom kronos around. The kronos itself is only an amoh. But if you go around, it's 26 by 26, the makom kronos. Right, amoh mizeh, amoh mizeh. Nintza esrim v'shishah, al esrim v'shishah. Fait the Gemara, that doesn't work. Esrim v'sheva haveu. At that point, it's already 27. You know why? Cuz you just added another two t'fachim that you're not really subtracting. So, when you added two plus two plus two, you ended up with a full amoh. And instead of the number being 26, the number's going to be 27. If you want to do this a little bit differently, >> [snorts] >> the assumption is 32 amos times six, which is 192 t'fachim. The mishnah says, you cut off an amoh by the y'sod, an amoh by the sovev, and amoh by the kronos. So, we're saying each one of those amos is really amoh bas chamishah t'fachim, that's what the pasuk Yechezkel means. Okay, so how many amos did you really cut off? You cut off 15 on this side and 15 on that side. You cut off 30 in total. Which means how many t'fachim do you have now, right? Cuz again, you took off six amos, three on this side, three on that side, and three on this side, three on that side, but erech and rochav. So, you took off from the length, right? Let's just take one side, it's the same on the width. The length, you took off 30, cuz it's six times five, not six times six, six times five is 30. So, you started off 32 times six, so how many t'fachim was the mizbe'ach? It was 192 t'fachim. You removed 30, six times five, so you're left with 162 t'fachim. What's 162 divided by six? It's exactly 27. And what does the mishnah say? It was 26. So, you want to tell me that 30 is really 30 and a third, I can live with that. You want to tell me 28 is really 28 and two thirds, I can live with that, cuz it's takah only off by a fraction. But by the time you get to the kronos, because of the cumulative effect of all those t'fachim, right? And if you do math sometimes and you leave out the odd numbers, if you have enough numbers in your equation, all those odd numbers add up to an even number sometimes. So, right, it could be something real. That's exactly what happened over here. So, you didn't care about this uh you know, decimal, and you didn't care about that fraction, but now all of a sudden, what do you mean? I'm off by a chunk of change. Case of menulah. All of a sudden, you have kindness. So, that's what happened over here. So, you went from having 26, the number's really 27. It can't be off by 27. That's like a real number. Can't be off by so much. But the Gemara says, I don't know if it bothers me so much. You know why? Ready for this? Loy dock. No, no, I HEAR. LOY DOCK. I HEAR A NEW ACCOUNTANT. But loy dock, you want to know what the number is? The number is 27. I I said 26. >> [snorts] >> But uh it's it's really loy dock. But the Gemara says, I have a little bit of a problem with that. You know why? Because makom hiluch raglei hakohanim. There was another indentation that was done on the other side of the kronos. And that was the area that the kohanim had to walk. So, remember, when you visualize the top of the mizbe'ach, what do you see? You see fire. That's what you see. You see the marocho. Ein marocho, tzei marocho, drei marocho, feer marocho. Right, machlik stam nom depending on the the day of the week, Yom Kippur. There's a lot of marochos going on in the mizbe'ach. So, there's a lot of fire. Now, the kohanim can't walk in the fire, right? So, obviously, there had to be like a path that went around, and that's what the kohanim were able to walk. So, there was this makom hiluch raglei hakohanim, which was amoh mizeh and amoh mizeh. And the mishnah goes weiter, and the mishnah says, nintza esrim v'al ba al esrim v'arba, makom hamarocho, right? Makom hamarocho. So, comes out that the makom hamarocho was 24 by 24. Right, what's the cheshbon? Because we're assuming now that the the kronos is by it's 26 by 26. And now, the kronos itself is uh amoh. And now there's a lane that's another amoh. So, comes out it's 26 minus one minus one, you're left with 24. So, what's the marocho? The marocho is 24. Fait the Gemara, kashah. Esrim v'chamishah haveu. It's really 25. Why is it 25? Because the starting point we said is not 26, 27. So it's 27 minus the amos of the cronus, which is 26, minus the amos of the mokem which is 21. That's what's it's the same like duck. If 26 could really be 27, so 24 could really be 25. But the maracha says no, this can't work. In the same perek, it [laughter] has perek mem gimel. It says over there that real was the maracha, the fire. Shame al arbas re of. So we describe the maracha and we say that the maracha was 12 by 12. And it was revua al arbas revov. You would think that it was 12 by 12. No, revov. You did that. You would stand Somebody was standing in the middle and he went this way it was 12, that way it was 12, this way it was 12, that way it was 12. That's what this possuk means when it says shame It means it was 24 by 24. Here's the problem. The possuk says it was 24 by 24. So if the possuk says it was 24 by 24, then we're off with our math. You know, you can tell me that when the mission says 24 really means 25. But if the possuk says 24 can't really mean 25. So if that's the case, we have a mefurash possuk that it says it was 24 and based on all our bonus that each one of these indentations is not a proper ama, but rather it's really five There's no way to make this work. Again, if that indentation is an ama, it works. You start off with 32 by 32 on the bottom, then by the you go and you an ama You're 30 by 30. By the another ama. So now you're 28 by 28. By the cronus you another ama. Now you're 26 by 26. The cronus itself are an ama. The mokem You're left with 24 by 24. Call you over HERE BY SHALOM. THAT IS HOW YOU reconcile the mission. It's in the possuk in Everything works out beautifully. If however, every one of these indentations on the bottom are five So then really the misbeach starts 32 by 32. When you indented an ama, you're only going five which means that the next part of misbeach is not 30 by 30. It's 30 and a third by 30 and a third, which means the next part is not 28 by 28, but it's 28 and 2 thirds by 28 and 2 thirds, which means that the next part is not 26 by 26. It's really 27 by 27 minus the cronus. That's a regular That's a regular regular ama, right? We exhausted our three amos That's a regular ama, that's 26. And the mokem is 25. Possuk says 24. Possuk doesn't say 25. As a result, this is not something that can work. So really we had two cracks at it to try to make sense of this. Both of them failed. So the now is going to try a third. Maybe the maracha is this. Maybe the maracha is made something that on some level we've all been thinking a little bit subconsciously. >> [snorts] >> And that is that being that there's something called an ama and there's an ama ama ama. Maybe when we say that the misbeach itself was 32 amos, it was made up of amos and amos Maybe the misbeach 32 amos and not all the same amos. You tell me not all amos were created equally. You tell me sometimes an ama means this, sometimes an ama means that. Maybe the 32 amos is made up of a It's made up of an ama Specifically, maybe the six of the 32 are amos amos. Amos. And the rest of them are going to be amos amos. Now, what do you accomplish by doing that? So what you accomplish by doing that is is that we're going to say that the amos that got indented the amos The amos that got indented with a Again, the amos amos Got it right the first time. Were the amos that were indented, not the amos of the height. The amos of the height is all amos That's the is by the 30 point and the is by the 36 point and it's a perfect ama. That's the mission. That whole first moves we can leave it as is. That's going to be perfect. As it relates to where the ama ama is, it's regarding the It's talking about the indentation of the and the and the cronus respectively. And really we're indenting it not six We're indenting it five. Five. What was the issue with doing that? Issue with doing that is that when we got to the top, we ran into an issue. Because when we got to the top, what we realized was is that we were off. We ended up with a maracha of 20 five when by 25 when really it's based on the possuk, it was supposed to have been 26 by 26. So if 24 by 24. So if you're going to tell me that it could be not all the amos were created equally and some of the amos and some of the amos Well, then you're not going to have an issue. I'll tell you six of the amos were made up of 50. If five. If six of the amos were made up of five, well, that means that when we in dented the six amos, we were just When we indented the six amos and we indented them five Essentially, what you're doing is you were just knocking out. Right? You were just knocking out those amos that were But here's the point. When you look at the misbeach now from the standpoint of five and you assume that the amos is really six because that's usually what it is, the misbeach is not 32 amos. The misbeach is really 31 amos. The only reason [laughter] we took the liberty to describe it as being 32 amos is because six of the amos that we were using six of the amos that we were using were amos amos as opposed to amos amos. So we cheated a little bit. Because six of the amos we used smaller amos. As a result, we ended up getting one extra ama. Right? If we use it for six and the difference between the amos amos amos That's how much we ended up cheating, right? That's how much we ended up saving. But the bottom line is is that You want to know what the size of the misbeach was? The size of the misbeach was never 32. The size of the misbeach was really 31. I It said 32. It's true it said 32. Because we were cheating. We were six of them amos So really all the is doing The simplest way to explain All the is doing is the is saying that six of the 32 amos which means that if you assume that amos really six and you convert it into amos, what you're going to end up with is how many amos? You're going to end up with 31 amos, not with 32 amos. What's the What are you by doing this? What you by doing this is is that if you start the with 31 by 31 and now you shave off two, right? For the you side, so now it's going to be 29 by 29. And now you don't have to five because I forget the five is an ama, right? We just shave the six that we're shaving the six amos that are amos. So you start off 31 by 31 and then you have 29 by 29 and then you have 27 by 20 seven, right? Then you're going to have 27 by 27 and then at that point, if you make a of how many amos you're going to have left. This gets a little bit tricky. If you do it because if you go by two, you minus one and minus one, you're going to be left with 25 again. But now you have to convert. Now you have to go back to the amos not the amos. Right? So if you look at it this way, you basically have now how many amos left? You have now the 26 amos, each one being six amos. 26 times six What you're left with is is really going to be 26 amos. If it's going to be 26 amos, you're going to shave one, you're going to shave one, you're going to end up with 24. Here's the bottom line. If you put it on paper, it's going to work. If you go ahead and you start off 31 minus two, minus two, minus two, you're going to end up with now your 27. But at the same time when you convert into amos amos amos Should we do this a little bit slower? Again, if you take the misbeach, the full 30 amos of the misbeach The You take the 32 amos of the misbeach and you say six of those amos of the 32 amos are made up of amos So how many is that? So that's six times five, that's 30. And then you take the other 26 and you say they're made up of six So it's 26 times six which is which is 156. So how many How many is the misbeach? It's 186. Right? It's 186. If you indented two for the you side and another two for the and another two for the cronus Right? Two amos, two amos, two amos on each side. And those amos amos amos. That's the possuk in So how many did you just knock out? You knocked out 30. You started with 186. You knocked out 30, you're left with 156. That's how many you have right now. 156 and you're done with the amos 156 divided by six is 26. So minus the armor for the Karen and minus the armor for the what you're left with is 24 so it's a little counterintuitive because you think what do I understand I started with 31 minus 2 minus 2 minus 2 so plays a little bit of a mind game with you but again if you convert it into you're going to see it's perfect you're starting with 186 you minus 30 the 6 hours and you're left with 156 / 6 is 26 minus a regular minus a regular what you're left with is 156 we'll do a little bit of an edit and the bottom line is once you do that I call you over and we'll come in and works so I think I have it I think I GOT IT YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE THESE three hours it's not in the height cuz that's going to mess us up with the it's not in terms of just flat-out what the indentation was cuz that's going to get us into trouble with the that says the 24 based on this it's 25 what is it it's the of the indentation but with a great and the one we say that the was 32 hours it wasn't all of the same hours of the 32 hours six of them were and 26 of them 26 of them were she should but the says it doesn't work either this doesn't either work you know why cuz cuz if the is really only 31 hours meaning the hours it's really 31 hours there's an extra hour in the that's unaccounted for that I don't really know what to do with what's that the time the length of the was 187 hours and the width was 135 hours so the area going that's where the length is it was 187 the place where the were able to walk where everybody was allowed to go was 11 the place where the were allowed to go now can go further but it means even that was also how much the was the was 100 you have 11 left if you're doing the math comes out so there's 11 hours behind the hours either way the the was 187 hours long every single hour is accounted for in the of 187 how many hours did we allocate towards the 32 if it's really only 31 because again the we're assuming for sure the 187 are all hours so if that's the case there's one extra hour what what do I do with this hour and it's not just the where do I put the hour every inch of the is a different so you have to tell me what the status of that one hour is I didn't tell me that must be that the on the bottom is really 32 by 32 and if that's the case and that's the out of this third option and if that's the case we're back to the drawing board how exactly do we make sense of this that says that the which was the was an hour which was an hour which was an hour which was the was an hour and the the was an hour what does that mean it means the height can't be because of the it [snorts] means that it was indented an hour as opposed to a regular as opposed to a regular well that means the based on our should be 25 hours and forget the it's a in that says it was 24 hours or you want to tell me it means that but you want to tell me that the at the floor is 31 hours and you do the math 186 minus 30 it all works out it can't be because I have a that says clearly it's 32 hours on the bottom so what exactly is going on is you know what you have to say you have to make a you have to say that it's a little bit it's a little bit talking about the height and it's a little bit talking about the indentation when we say the and the are all hours THEY DON'T ALL MEAN the same thing how does this work out which is the is that's what I'm talking about the height the height of the was an hour an hour when we talk about the it's referring to the it's referring to the indentation and when we talk about the that also if you take a look at the that's also referring to the height the last but as it relates to the indentation of the that's doesn't matter if it's going to be an hour or it's going to be an hour well so the the is the height the the is the and the the is the height what about the of the of the of the it's not something that really matters says the based on this how how tall is the how tall right it's 58 why is it 58 because it's 10 hours times six stating that two of those hours the hour of the and the hour of the are really so how many do you have 60 minus two you're left with is 58 what's where's the what's the midpoint of the it's the 29 hour mark from the from the until the how much space do you from the until the how much space do you have so that's four hours but one of the hours is the right so it's four times six which is 24 minus one cuz one of them is so it's really 23 so from the until the how many do you have 23 you have 23 right how much how much how much space is there from the which is 23 from the top so 58 minus 23 which is 35 until the which is the which is 29 it's six it's it's that's what the said so the regarding the the works out perfectly as it relates to the height as it relates to the height it's okay so we addressed the height what about the width so mysteriously the doesn't address the width the expects us to do the math so we have to go back now and we have to figure out the width by ourselves what was the issue with the width what was the issue with making all these indentations conceptually you can get it in one second what was the issue the issue was that if all those hours that we were were really hours so it's an hour hour hour on this side hour hour hour on this side or >> [laughter] >> on this side on that side it accumulated to a full hour and we were ended up being off when we got to the top of the by the and even though it said but then minus one minus one it went from 25 to 24 that's a of the already there was there was no option to say right at that point there was no way out at that point you couldn't get away with it the that it's true it was an hour but it's only two of the hours that are hours or or the way the presented it now one of the hours that are hours what's the of only one of the hours there's only one time that we were inaccurate right we were only inaccurate one time we were inaccurate let's it's by the right that's what the says so the was 32 by 32 and then when you put the block on top of that you ended up with 30 by 30 now the goes in how much we said it goes in only five right that's the if it goes in five so the block that's on top of that is not 28 by 28 what is it really it's 28 and a third by 28 and a third cuz I have an extra on one side extra on the other side the two together make up a third so I end up with a third that doesn't bother me so much cuz then I could already say and because I could say so there I'm not off by a full I'm not off by a full so there no [snorts] no it's a fraction the fractions don't bother me so the when the when we go ahead and we say 28 so it's 28 and then when you get to the top it's going to be 26 minus one minus one you're going to end up with 24 says Rashi speaks out that when the said that regarding the indentation of the we're indifferent you know why we're indifferent because the only reason we cared is because we were afraid that we were going to get past fraction and once you get to a full number you're off 27 and it's then 26 that's a problem but here even if there's an indentation by the it's likely going to be a fraction instead of being off by 1/3 it's going to be off by 2/3 but as long as it's off by a fraction that doesn't bother me and as a result that is going to be an issue so in other words what's the bottom line the the the the the is referring to the the what does it mean it means the height of the which was one hour was really an hour and then when we say the when we say that the indentation the canissa of the soiveiv, or when we say that the soiveiv was an amabas amisha tuchim, it's referring to the canissa. And then when we say the cronice again was an ama, it's referring to bas amisha tuchim, it's referring to the height. It's not the same. The gemara felt the chazakila would make perfect sense for it all to be the same way, but the maisa the gemara said there's no way to make it work. Because if it's all the height, you're going to run into an issue. There's going to be too much proximity between the soiveiv and the chota circle. We need to have a full ama in between. If it's going to be all with regards to the to the canissa, well then it's going to come out that the makam amarakh is 25 amas by 25 amas, not 24 amas by 24 amas. There was a workaround to say that the mizbeach is really 31 amas by 31, not 32 by 32. But the problem is that what do I do with that ama in the mishna? Clearly defined what every single ama was meant for in the azara. The way you make it work, the way you make it work is you say What's for sure the gemara says is that the ama yosid is on the height, the ama soiveiv is in the canissa, and the ama cronis is in the height. What's open for debate is that it could be the canissa of the cronis. That could be an something that's an amabas amisha tuchim. That could be something that's an amabas shisha tuchim. Now at first glance, this shtikel Torah sounds like a very dochak dig a shtikel Torah, right? That's what the pasuk means. Come on, it's not what the pasuk means. Either the pasuk's talking all about height or the pasuk's talking all about width. So the gemara and this is the punchline of the sugya, deka nami, it's actually very meduyak that way. Diksiv, again, we dismiss these words in Yichazkel as above our paygrade, which is fair when you're learning Yichazkel. Definitely, >> [snorts] >> Yichazkel is distinguished amongst all the neviim in terms of the esoteric nature of his nevuah. Hence the phrase rosh hashishah bayom mashal omer, even Yichazkel ben Buzi mayoylam, right? But the bottom line is that if you look at this pasuk, one thing is clear. It said cheika ama. That's referring to the yosid. And then it said vaama roichav, which is referring to the soiveiv. Ama roichav, why do you mention even the word roichav? The teretz is cheika ama means the height, ama roichav is referring to the width. It's actually meforesh doch the gemara shma minna this pshat. So inasmuch as at first glance it seems a little bit dochak, but really at the end of the day, at the end of the day, shma minna, this is exactly the way it is.