Take 2 with Rabbi Gedaliah Zlotowitz

[Music] welcome back to mishak take two where the personalities and the people you read about in the pages of the magazine come to life over the last few months we've had some pretty high-profile guests we've had A-list from singers and leading asonam and big speakers and big thinkers I would venture to say that today's guest in terms of impact can rival or exceed any of them in terms of the reach and the significance of what he brings every day to the table it's R gal it's thank you for making time for this I know this is very much not your for you it's my style I appreciate I'm very happy to be here especially in the seat that as you say Giants Saturn before and I'm looking forward to our discussion I I appreciate it I I have to say that as somebody that I'm in touch with frequently I speak to you often I I always learn new things about you I think that there's a lot about you and about the way you do things that people maybe don't know and if we could dive a little deeply into it I think there's a lot of relevant lessons to be learned for everybody in their own lives businesses and their own world take me back there was a Thursday the end of June end of C 5 years ago and your father's in the hospital it's a Thursday morning and he's sending work emails from his phone and he's going to come back to the office soon he's not feeling great but he's expected to do well and be back at work soon and people are coming in talking to him about work rated think Thursday and shabas is is no longer alive and Sunday is the L and then there sh and while you're reeling from that chock someone the back of you mind you know that the next Sunday or the next Monday morning you're walking into an office and expect it to assume control of what the front world looks at as as apple or Microsoft or Amazon it's it's Blue Chip company tell me about that week I remember Friday afternoon before my father was niy n on a shabas morning he was as you say making phone calls sending out emails he was getting ready to come back figured another few days he'll be out of rehab at that point and he'll be coming back um I Wasa came to my house shabas morning and we went to my Manor's hospital I went to my man's hospital and he was nift shortly thereafter and I remember turning to my brother-in-law du who was with me and saying wow my life is about to change and it was just such a whirlwind what shabas I remember calling Feinstein zal at that time you know he's the father of AR we'll get into later and just breaking down talking to him and the shock of just getting the emails from people around the world and I know everyone had the same feeling can artol go on is it even possible my father was a giant he was larger than life and I always say J shatenstein gave me the best advice everyone was telling me you have large shoes to fill large shoes to fill and he told me many times I spoke to him M shabas and a few times during that week and we speak every week since then and he always told me Galia just remember you don't have large shoes to fill you have your shoes to fill and if you do that you're going to be successful it's beautiful and it definitely impairing to a young person I can understand it but at the same time your father filled every crevice of this building there was no part he wasn't involved in he wasn't uh you know I know you worked with him hand in hand for so many years but he wasn't a big delegator he did a lot of things himself he had a lot of energy so what was it like practically so it's very interesting because a lot of people feel that my father was someone who was very controlling and had to have his 10 fingers on everything and really be in charge of everything but in retrospect it obviously wasn't true means he wanted to be involved in the details but he obviously empowered the people around him to become Giants in their field and the proof is that when took him away from us oll didn't only continue but it thrived so looking back he was a genius he knew exactly what he was doing he let everyone have the space they needed he trained us and he trained us to be the best at what we're going to be whether it was myself or working with RAB Sherman Ria Brer everyone in this building what would you tell let me ask like this m magazine had a piece now in the suus issue about success as people who assumed control of their father's businesses usually after the father passed away sometimes after retirement and they said what was some of the things that your father did that you do differently that means your father was dealing with his times his era his challenges and you you must have your own Mark what would be something that you would say say your father was great but what would you tell a young person in terms of making it yours I would say that you have to think for yourself means you have to I always tell people say how are you why is Aro being so successful now and I say because I'm really standing on my father's shoulders and if I think that way it means he built a base and I'm just building on the base that he right put into place on that foundation so it's not like starting from scratch like okay let's get rid of the foundation and let's start digging again that would be impossible then you're starting a business from scratch but if people would realize and especially younger generation they all come into their parents businesses and right away I know better my father doesn't know what he's doing and why are they doing it this way but as you mature and you watch the process you see many times there's a reason someone who built a successful business did it and they knew what they were doing so instead of coming in and trying to destroy right so I'm going to take it down and I'm going to build myself just stand on what they built and continue building but other things you do differently than him I would say when it comes to Heritage Foundation which we'll get into my father was probably at a point where he had the people he was very close with those dedicators he was close with and that was his core people and I don't think he really connected much with expanding to the younger generation there were a few individuals that he did and they were very close with him but in general I find that and I found that after this happened people rallied around me and I think that was part of my father's genius also it wasn't just the relationship like it's all about May LTZ and these people but he instilled in them this understanding that art scroll is going out and changing the world and you're part of that we're Partners it's not me and you this is a partnership and I feel that as in a every business when one partner pieres on and the other partners want the business to thrive so what happens they're going to Rally around they're going to say okay let's do it and I really feel they owned that responsibility only the respon it's incredible and and that was also part of his genius of making the people around him feel right Friends Business Associates dedicators understanding that this is yours it's not mine had did that work use an example Sherman spoke at the father it was a very moving speech and he tearfully recalled making a coffee every morning and coming into your father's office and they started the day he said your father had already been there earlier you know he was and he would come with the coffees they would sit down they would chose for a few minutes get in the same frame of mind what they had to accomplished and part ways he said Galia tomorrow morning I'm going to make a coffee for you now I don't know on a practical level if he makes you a coffee or not coffee was there how is someone like that able to look at you who's much younger than him next generation and be able to continue to do what they were doing when working in tandem with somebody from another you know that's a great question but you have to ask serman the truth is that his he's so humble he's a giant RAB Sherman is a godle in our time he's a giant but for him to really humble himself to me which made me feel very uncomfortable is all part of the success again nothing at Arts gos about any individual we just finished an editorial meeting earlier today with the top top people who are running our projects Bailey herzka and zie misel and the Dana Brothers Giants Giants and we're really looking for more people to join the staff and write as editors and know we had someone come in maybe it would help us look for people and they said what is the number one thing you're looking for and every single editor and writer and you know member of the K in the room said someone who understands that we're working as a team if it's someone who just thinks that it's about them they're not going to be happy here it's a cuz that's called sort of a it's really sort of a is certainly a like you said you have yourself and you have each one of them is legendary and you don't seem to have any politics it's not a real M then it's what's a m without somebody just it's amazing I I wish on every organization they should have the sh that we have it's unbelievable it's it because no one looks at it that it's about them I have to ask you a question forgive it what is our I never I never got this clear is it an organization is it a nonprofit is it a business I I don't understand the structure of okay so let I explain to you the structure how work we have a business called M Publications we're Publishers means if Sly Bessa decides to write a story book or spe or p Crone or someone writes a novel a cookbook a children's book like you go to any publisher you have a finished manuscript and you go over to the publisher and say Here's my manuscript and the general process of publishing is the publisher takes a manuscript edits it proof reads it does p pagination printing binding sales everything involved from the time the manuscript is written until it goes out to the public and then how does the author make money the author makes money by a royalty so for every book book that sells a author gets a royalty that's the business model and that's a business that's a business clear business and we don't take any Public Funding for that part of the business because it's profitable however there's parts of what we do is that my father had this dream of taking Torah works and opening it up to the public which is a very expensive proposition we have a k which we call a k without walls because it's not in one place we have a k of over 100 youngite that are working on various projects is it 100 people working out School T projects now on Tor projects yeah wow okay and just to take an example of a the Shas cost over $25 million to produce 73 volumes over 15 years which anyone on a business level would say we can't invest that kind of money it's impossible so the same way people are supporting Kim who are putting out interest or go to the secular World there are colleges that have their own press and you could have some Professor wants to write a book on butterflies how butterflies fly how do they publish that obviously it's not a profitable thing they have finds one person who loves butterflies and says you know what I want the world to know about butterflies so I'm going to pay for the manuscript to be written about butterflies okay now it's written they take that manuscript they go to a publisher to publish the book so we're doing the same thing so theage Foundation which has an oversight of the top mins in the country watching everything we do is taking is really giving people this and asking people to say listen you want you're not making if it will sell or make money when you're not up to sales now we're producing a manuscript so we take top scholars in the country and they're learning and they're writing and they're preparing the manuscript that is the only thing that M Foundation is paying for now there's a manuscript they need a publisher to publish it so they go from the non for-profit that paid for the manuscript to the publisher so now the publisher which is M Publications takes the manuscript and publishes it there's a lot of course involved whether it's the final proof reading pagination cover design advertising and they go out and sell the book many books sell many books don't how many people are buying Daniel in tanak so there are some books that your father did and that you're doing that you knew were not ever going to make recoup what you invested most of them did any of them surprise you and you said wow that that actually end up selling well I mean something like the stone Kish obviously was you know that money goes back into the foundation though some goes back into the foundation from but again we have an agreement the Missori harage Foundation with M Publications that M Publications is not allowed to make more than a certain profit on those books if any profit at all and they're watching it if there's any profit above a certain level the money has to go back to the foundation that get twice a year okay I think I think but but that's that's the only way to produce these books and then what happens is we take you worry that people are like me are confused about that people are they don't understand like o what do they need my money for I I didn't want to ask it like that not question I know but that was the question I was asking like is it a business or is it a foundation or who is also you have to realize we take let's say take a novel okay a regular novel was selling for $27 list price his store is paying us about $16 you take a volume of let's do a volume like that which is same number of pages as a novel it has a gorgeous embossed cover gold stamped and you know the amount of work and the the the cost that goes into it CU you're going to print less and you are a story book more story books are selling that also raises the cost we're selling you for the same $31 I got it so it's being subsidize so not only is the dedicator making the work available and opening up to by having the COO work on the manuscripts that's subsidizing the price to the public it's like we always say a gamor based on if this would be a business model a volume of a gar should cost $150 right doesn't now what do you do every day you come to the office so you're just fundraising all day what do you what is your role my role is to deal with Publications authors to make sure I've spoken to you in books I've written you're you're busy with the captions under the pictures you seem to be busy with the details of the books too depends on the book so most books we don't get involved with you I do and we work on captions and we had a great time doing the R Train book Etc but it's more of a um overall level in other words what are we publish ask you what your budget is our budget Heritage Foundation $85 million a year so you're raising 8 half million you don't have a fundraising team you don't have a development team you don't we have a lot of good friends who understand the need I mean can I ask a question how many Arts gr books sish to Hill are you using a day on average not you the average person certainly true it's more than that at least I was looking around on over the season starting from going through going through and you say where where would we be where would my kids be if they they they would they would have no access to any of this so certainly true that art scho a lot of people say they changed the world it's maybe even a in the world every day is no question but that's still a lot of money for you to have to raise the people in this Kyle that you talked about are getting checks every month every week every week you send a check to all those people and they're sitting in in Bay or in lwood or in Yesa and if somebody wants to join that they could how would somebody I'm just thinking there must be people we would welcome people if people could write and they could someone knows how to learn and they just articulate and difference themselves be able to break down the take projects for new writers if people and we could go quicker we're working now on inov tus z um was Hebrew projects that they say for we're working Oni y it's endless a big stra on your father father your sh is a tremendous strain on your father no yeah they said it will not be done 51 volumes there was no chance he wouldn't find sponsors he wouldn't find writers he was discouraged to to Mr J shatenstein to Jay and Genie's credit and their family um he has always stepped up doesn't cover the whole budget but he's always the anchor to make these large projects possible and everyone knows that Jay sh is a very smart businessman he wouldn't be dedicating volumes if he didn't see right the the need and the what he has accomplished in his life is just incredible and everyone's using it everyone we are probably the only organization that's accepted in all areas of yish think about it who doesn't use who doesn't use our art B anywhere any type of community whether it's the Hebrew MN Hebrew or would you let anybody be a dedicator if somebody came in with their checkbook or are you discriminating and who you would take money from I wouldn't say discriminating but my father taught me that we have to be careful we take money have you turned away people we have can we talk about yourself now a little bit a little a little less about Oscar a little bit about you if you want I want to share a fun fact with our viewers that they may not know you're very hardworking person I you know just this summary told me that because Fridays in the summer the staff gets off a lot of people go upstate so you you extend the work day by an hour every day of the week not to lose this serious work ethic going on over here and you feel it anytime you come in and yet and yet the same AB gal who literally moves from call to call to call and and and is always working takes three days off a year that's convocation with his family no but they go to cat Monk and oversee Kal now you're in cat monk in the Summers anyhow your wife is the cother you go out for shabas but Cola three work days this play Shots down shouldn't say the play Shots down but you're not here the boss isn't here what's up with that explain me what motivates you to do that what the decision making is to go referee hockey games you're a k Bo boy see what let's talk about camp in general I think we've spoken about this many times that camp saves lives on a spiritual level and on emotional level you know Yeshiva is a most important thing kids have to go to school they have to go to Yeshiva but as we know they don't have the outlets in Yeshiva that they have during the summer and not everyone can make it in Yesa so they try and that we have wonderful reum they work with them but those same reum he ask every one of them who works in a camp and you have a child in Camp now a camper in Camp a staff member and I can think of so many of them that thrived doing a piece of art in col or they were good in sports or they were good at singing or they were good at acting and it gave them the self-confidence then to go back to Yesa and to thrive after such a summer I always say maybe someone can't can't understand it but in general you look at col War as a microcosm of life it's a opportunity you have a general you have captains you have the people under the captains everyone has a job and you have to get along with people I don't like your idea for a banner well too bad I'm the general well how do you speak to the guy under you do you force it down his throat or do you talk it down you learn to be political about it what happens when a kid messes up and what what do you why do you have to be there what is your role I don't have to be there believe me color will run without me I feel if there's one part I don't regret anything in my life I love what I do and you know I love what I do but going into and having the opportunity to be younger people would have been a dream of mine to do I would love it I heard this from your father many times you wanted to be a you wanted to be a right and bar what I'm doing I wouldn't trade with anyone we're changing the world we're helping hundreds of thousands of people but the opportunity of being camp and after we were married we got married we were there for six years married I was assister that counselor and then when my wife got the job as the camp mother and Camp 16 years ago we grabed the opportunity I'm there weekends I interact with the counselors with the campers with the staff and maybe that's just getting it out of my system that idea of this is a great time of to sit at a fa on a Friday night speak to the teenagers hear their challenges maybe subconsciously it helps art also to hear what the today's teenagers need what today's councils need the kids need to be in touch on their hearts and Minds it's it's something that's so do bother you that camp in general has become I wouldn't say less cool but a lot of the B over the last few years talked a lot about this in the magazine we've talked about this personally they'd rather go some of them want to go on road trips some of them don't want to go to camp at all sometimes you achieve a schedule which you know when you are counselor allowed for the to go to Camp the Shas don't want them to go to Camp they miss his man you must you brought up two separate points on the first point I feel it part of today's lack of a in today's generation a kid went to camp and he had counselors who invested so much into him and he was there from 10 11 12 13 14 15 all of a sudden he turns 19 and the Next Generation needs him and that's I'm off on my road trip what with your you think that they know that about themselves you're saying it's probably don't even know themselves that they can make a difference so but they so much appointed out to them I think they do know I think they're aware of it and they just say I have to worry about myself I need my time I need my road trip but they're cheating themselves forget about forget about that that that they're not giving back they're cheating themselves do you know how much a would gain from being in a bunk and being able to articulate and speak to a younger camp and give over what he learned give over the he has why are you not doing that what are you gaining from the road trip seeing Another Mountain that's really that's that's what you're gaining wow okay this I I haven't heard from you like this that's that's one you're dreaming because they're not they're not going to get that message it's not it's not they're not going to there has to be a better plan than telling the that we have to figure what to tell them we have to figure out the I think they this was the G quality counsel is very hard it is right the second part is what you said the yeshivas aren't working with the camps now that's above anything I should be commenting on but I really don't understand it you have a rabbi you know tell us a little bit about your relationship with your rabie so I got my from um I learned in rivil under Rand the for the last 25 years to go back every Sunday morning to learn with him with the kabura and there's nothing more important in life than having a rebi and he keeps me in line you everyone needs someone in life that could look at you at any point and say what you're doing is wrong maybe you should be thinking different about something does he do that for you often he sure does and you speak to him family things things he's presence in your life he if I have to I do I generally I don't get too involved you know on detailed levels in my life but he knows exactly what's going on and he was very supportive after my father was nter he gave me great advice but just knowing that you have a rebi who loves you who cares who is looking out for you and will not just be a Yes Man and say yeah everything's great you look great you look great but if you're doing something wrong I mean you have it in your life that you have your Rabbi and you know what that means in your life and unfortunately a lot of people don't have that they leave Yeshiva without a rebi and they're drifting wow and they're not doing anything wrong because they don't know better but if someone with without nus would just tell them Whoa stop just think I felt very bad we did a book I I think I could say we did the book together we co-authored a book onava Tran it says my name on the C but we really you know that your Heart and souls on every page of that book and people told me after after why why don't we know about these people when they're alive and I feel bad cuz there are people out there who are alive who are very good at it and very dedicated and very caring and very qualified for it but I don't know if there's a mechanism to let people know or how we could like you're saying everybody should have a RAB we need to find way to make between the of saving life they they fantastic re my my children my sons have had the greatest re who the other night I was at AA last night and I went over to my son's fifth grade RBI and I said you saved my son's life you believed in him he was he he he was you just believed in him and he still loves him till this day I said he's much older now but I said you turned his life for and then fifth grade and there are so many Reb like that we are so blessed and cl you're a big believer in the system and but at the same time you want to rethink camp and the relationship between Jas and camps only because I think the kids are are going many times they're what they gained over the 10 months with the great rebi they might be going down a few steps in the summer that's only that bothers me that's a point to and said the art schol the Reber of art schol was was M rdav Feinstein he carried art schol for think that the I asked him this when I wrote the book on your father if it's true and he didn't want me to write it but that he had lend his savings $25,000 I to your father at a difficult time what have the last what's the last year almost been like for you without the presence of somebody who you relied on so heavily well just going back once you bring that up I mean the success of art scroll I believe is that every move my father RAB Sherman the was with Tor they had the rim whether it wasid with you know um any all of them every single one of them bian when they started from day one but at the end of the day Ravid was the one my father was closest to everyone knows they spoke to each other practically every day and the came from him whatever he said we did and we know there were projects that my father started heard about it and he said no my father was invested in it emotionally he dropped it right away so we have 45 years credit your father they said Feinstein was a Mis when his father was people didn't realize what he was capable of what he knew because he wasn't a social person he didn't run around shaking hands they said mayor LT gets the credit for making people d f okay maybe we'll leave that for other people okay my father loved him and didn't make a move without him and for we have 45 years of 45 years of from on every step of the way and he never let and every time I went to him and asked him something whatever he said you felt to was like there was no doubt you listen and you're going to be successful and there were many things over the last few years before he was nft that I did discuss with him and asked him about various projects we were dreaming of and he gave us the it's very hard in there without him and frankly you know bar we have rnas here who is a God in his own right who learned under ran Z learned on and had his own reim and heard all that over the years when I was still a young boy and hearing it straight from R GI and ran and R Anda whatever it was so we have who to ask is people to go to I want to ask you another question it's it's a thing we've we've discussed off camera many times there's a knock on Arts schore biography some of them written by me and other ones written by my very talented and gifted colleagues who do the same thing that Arts SCH BS I don't even know how you pronounce the word it's hagiography or geography but that they cleanse and they they rewrite history and they only put in the good things about the subjects of the books and they leave at anything anything sorted or anything embarrassing so they're not real biographies the academic world likes to Mark Art School biographies you're aware of that so my yes I am so my father's view always was that an art SC biography or any artc book is meant to inspire not necessarily to tell the whole story we would never tell an untruth when you say rewrite it's not really the correct word because rewrite makes it sound like this happened but we're rewriting it a different way leaving out a part of history that would not Inspire someone what's the point so you write about a certain God and there was a I have to know that because why do you have to know that because maybe he made that decision for reasons that are decision best is going to read that book 50 years later and understand what went through that God's mind but who are you to be the Arbiter of what belongs and what doesn't maybe maybe yeah we the aror know what inspires and what doesn't and reading about Aus doesn't Inspire anyone it doesn't Inspire so what's the point we're here to inspire it doesn't bother when you when you read those charges or you read those knocks on it would bother me if we were writing something that wasn't true but everything we're writing is true we're just leaving out the parts that are just not inspiring and we're not knocking in any way the God we don't understand today's generation might not understand why they did something okay but what about the that people think okay then it's not relevant to be a God because these people never made mistakes they never slipped off they never slept in a missak they never had a bed day they never flict the light Swit on sh was by mistake they're not NE and that's why some of a book like you know some of the books that we discussed that not about the God who was born a genius but the one who was was born in America and went to public school and made it sometimes talks to someone a lot more than The God Who was born a genius but again the we're not talking about not writing that someone turned on a light we're talking about and that's what they refer to when there's a m when there were Wars between factions what's the point yeah I yeah but it's on a case we want to inspire that's the bottom line we're here to INSP Inspire Jews to be better Jews will it inspire you to read about it we're going to publish it if we're not going to inspire you we're not publish hope me we did the book on your father together your parents got divorced when you were a little child and it was a it was a question if it should go in the book or not and you and your whole family really uh gets the credit for saying right away of course there was first of all there's a lot to learn from how it was handled and it's a very much a relevant part in how he draw on his rabby for support and and the graciousness or the or I would say the the tolerance with which it was handled in the Years see the relationship between the two families what what was that like for you being a child of divorce just before we get to the divorce a second as the entire book we made a decision when we sat down and we said are we going to be honest are we going to paint my father as this born Prodigy who was a genius and the Superstar of the class and we decided no we're going to inspire people you how we're going to inspire them by saying that may LTZ started as a child was not good in sports but he excelled in what he was good at and he overcame his stuttering and he became the person he was and that inspires people and that's the same thing with a divorce how many people would go through a divorce any divorce and say I can't be a leader now you know it's like embarrassing especially those days but no he overcame it how did he over come it because he loved his children and he said I am not going to let anything get in the way of that love the joke is you know we speak about it many times someone once said my father had a better divorce and many people have marriages but it was done consciously that I'm not going to hurt my children we don't know the hurt he was going through in his own personal life but he made a decision I am not making my children carbonos I'm not sacrificing them and he saved us and that's what people should learn from that that what would be your personal message as a child to grow up it's not not an easy thing with all the fact that they made sure to be peaceful with each other and respectful of one another and I believe he told me that he made you call your maternal grandparents to say gabas yes it's astounding when you hear people just want to stick the knife and deeper today but with all that what would be your message to children today who whose parents aren't together anymore and they feel like they're they're broken and too the message to the children parents it's your show you tell me I mean the message to a child whose parents are I I look at you as a successful person who's who's doing great things and people look at you as but I can't answer I can't be in the you've been there no I haven't cuz my no your message to they got along right what would I'm saying I the message will be to parents is don't use your children as porns and message to no matter what family structure is not the way they would wish it to be what would you tell them my parents love me and I heard from my father every day of my life how much he loved me and my mother so but how what am I telling a child that might not hear that from a parent I can only tell the parent tell your child you love them and don't use them as porns and they'll be successful the divorce won't affect them at all we heard a lot of nice feedback to the book from people in similar situations some divorce and some for other reasons alone that that they couldn't believe that Mar L was 33 years old living in a walk up apartment in bar park with three kids and and thinking that there'll be no tomorrow and look what he went and did with that that's amazing so let's bring it back so I'm using that I was using the divorce as an example and I got sidetracked so you're comfortable with the art school position and how you do books and what you choose to share what you choose not to what about in the world of Hal are there are there standards that you have of uh what kind of books you would take what kind of books you wouldn't take in more Torah oriented our rule in is we you know Le to make a joke about Mr trainer that he would make a because he ever took pictures of became the next go we don't want to make AR is not here to make Pim we're here to publish quality works from Pim and therefore when we have someone like so we're we're very happy to publish they're very needed but we're always getting in like you know people are calling us up I'd like you to publish this and it's a little or even a big cons on a specific title but are they accepted because they want inst respectability that comes with the outo brand they realize that you're here so we would generally ask them to have a renowned post sake to somebody who exist things exactly it was accepted by clus we don't want to be the ones to create the postum what book project or that you're involved in or you've been involved and are you most proud of which is the one that when you fall asleep and you say before NE say thank you for this that I started doing that yeah well something that you've done a lot for I think all the new projects were starting there's so much but really at this point is a tysus project I think it's the hardest project we ever took on it's a you know what the gamor did in the 1990s for DFI learning and getting people babatan to start learning gar because it didn't look like this for the shatenstein talud and you know CLA is grateful to the shatenstein and to all the dedicators who made it possible Claus RS once more they're thirsting for more learning and a higher level of learning and they're not satisfied which just sitting down at a gar and in 35 40 minutes just reading through the blat and it's important to do that but they want more that's the thing we hear from everybody I want to raise my level of learning and tus is doing that really pushed art schol to the next level and you responded that means people were home and they reached to all of a sudden and they fell in love with learning people during Co found out that we had published things over the years they never knew about because they had time they weren't traveling as much they weren't running to simus they had time on their hands and they wanted to learn the my the bottom line is that soul of a yid wants to learn Torah at the end of the day when all said and done and they found projects that we worked on over the years and they were like wow this is great so whether it was was like wow you know I can just keep on learning more and more and more and that's what's happening they're seeing that we are there for them and their children and their families it's amazing a final question for you RAB going to come because your father comes back into the office you're giving him the keys and you're telling him here it's back to you are you proud of the job you've done do you feel like he would be proud of what you've done here without sounding Hoy I think he'd be very proud but not because of what I did he'll be more proud of all the people in the Arts family which includes the employees the dedicators and all his friends who rallied around me and made what I did possible because without them it wouldn't have been possible thank 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